Flashback to '92, and the electric atmosphere of "Juice" still crackles with energy as we reminisce about the potent mix of hip-hop, Harlem, and headstrong youth. Picture us, Dave, Matt, and Zap, lounging in our favorite old-school tees, as we swap stories that dance between our own mischief-filled youth and the on-screen drama of Bishop and Q. We're peeling back layers of this gritty classic—Tupac's explosive performance, the cultural ripples it cast, and those irresistible '90s vibes that had us all rocking out to EPMD and Naughty by Nature.
We didn't just watch "Juice"; we lived it—boomboxes, bodegas, and bravado included. It's all here: the laughs, the gasps, and those all-too-relatable tales of teenage rebellion. We trace the highs of Quincy's DJ dreams to the lows of his crew's dark choices. It's a heady cocktail of ambition, loyalty, and the thrill of the DJ booth, shaken with the dangers of a heist gone wrong. Amidst the film's beats, we spin our own vinyl of memories and mayhem from the back-in-the-day mishaps that mirror the film's wild heart.
As the needle lifts from this '90s gem, it's time to trade the malt liquor for craft beer and tip our hats to the era that shaped us. We've swapped reflections with a wink and a nod, digging into "Juice"'s soundtrack that still bumps in our speakers. We're grateful for the ride—and for your five-star ratings and reviews that keep this conversation spinning. If you've ever cranked up a track and felt that old-school pulse, this is for you. Now go on, hit play, and let's trip down memory lane with a soundtrack that never fades.
Sounds:https://freesound.org/people/frodeims/sounds/666222/ Door opening
https://freesound.org/people/Sami_Hiltunen/sounds/527187/ Eerie intro music
https://freesound.org/people/jack126guy/sounds/361346/ Slot machine
https://freesound.org/people/Zott820/sounds/209578/ Cash register
https://freesound.org/people/Exchanger/sounds/415504/ Fun Facts Jingle
Thanks to The Tsunami Experiment for the theme music!!
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Flashback to '92, and the electric atmosphere of "Juice" still crackles with energy as we reminisce about the potent mix of hip-hop, Harlem, and headstrong youth. Picture us, Dave, Matt, and Zap, lounging in our favorite old-school tees, as we swap stories that dance between our own mischief-filled youth and the on-screen drama of Bishop and Q. We're peeling back layers of this gritty classic—Tupac's explosive performance, the cultural ripples it cast, and those irresistible '90s vibes that had us all rocking out to EPMD and Naughty by Nature.
We didn't just watch "Juice"; we lived it—boomboxes, bodegas, and bravado included. It's all here: the laughs, the gasps, and those all-too-relatable tales of teenage rebellion. We trace the highs of Quincy's DJ dreams to the lows of his crew's dark choices. It's a heady cocktail of ambition, loyalty, and the thrill of the DJ booth, shaken with the dangers of a heist gone wrong. Amidst the film's beats, we spin our own vinyl of memories and mayhem from the back-in-the-day mishaps that mirror the film's wild heart.
As the needle lifts from this '90s gem, it's time to trade the malt liquor for craft beer and tip our hats to the era that shaped us. We've swapped reflections with a wink and a nod, digging into "Juice"'s soundtrack that still bumps in our speakers. We're grateful for the ride—and for your five-star ratings and reviews that keep this conversation spinning. If you've ever cranked up a track and felt that old-school pulse, this is for you. Now go on, hit play, and let's trip down memory lane with a soundtrack that never fades.
Sounds:https://freesound.org/people/frodeims/sounds/666222/ Door opening
https://freesound.org/people/Sami_Hiltunen/sounds/527187/ Eerie intro music
https://freesound.org/people/jack126guy/sounds/361346/ Slot machine
https://freesound.org/people/Zott820/sounds/209578/ Cash register
https://freesound.org/people/Exchanger/sounds/415504/ Fun Facts Jingle
Thanks to The Tsunami Experiment for the theme music!!
Check them out here
SUPPORT US AT https://www.buzzsprout.com/1984311/supporters/new
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Thanks for tuning in to the vintage cinema review on this week's episode. We're covering from 1992 juice.
Speaker 2:Yes, if boys in the hood and straight out of Brooklyn weren't good enough for you, there came juice.
Speaker 3:I thought you're gonna say, if they, like, got together and had a baby, oh okay, but I get what you're coming from or get what you're saying. Yeah, you got a two-pocket here. Q.
Speaker 1:No more apps, yeah, no more apps.
Speaker 3:Just a cool movie. Takes me back to when I was a kid, in high school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, countless cameos in this. A Lot of cool stuff to talk about, definitely nostalgic. So we hope you're enjoying the podcast. Speaking of which, if you are, leave that five-star rating on Spotify, on Apple Five-star rating and written review would really help us out and sit back, relax and enjoy from 1992 juice. Hey, this is Dave. Matt and Zap, and welcome to the vintage cinema review where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past.
Speaker 3:Hey, there ain't no late fees here.
Speaker 2:Silence is golden and be kind rewind.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that sound hey, what's going on, fellas, hey, what's going down?
Speaker 3:Not much, not much some sweets popping in there today, is it?
Speaker 1:it is it is man. This is a classic for me and Matt. We have a history with this.
Speaker 3:Yes, this is a straight-up classic from 1992 juice this was Matt's pick. Yes, this way, what one of, uh, one of my go-to movies. Boy like, I don't. I don't really own this movie or anything like that, but if I see it on, like HBO or Max or I know, just like you said, a lot, a lot of cool memories from this movie.
Speaker 1:So is that you didn't see this back then? No, this is your first time through. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm excited to hear what you thought. Okay, so this one release date on this, january 17th 1992, and I think we were at the theater- yeah, we can to see it that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, opening weekend. Yeah that was an experience.
Speaker 1:It was, we'll get into that. So running time on this 95 minutes and this was directed by Ernest R Dickerson. Story by Ernest R Dickerson and produced by David Heyman and Neil H Moritz putting on Moritz yeah putting on Moritz. He also did I Recognize the name. He did Fast and Furious. All that franchise. I know what you did last summer Urban legend, most recently Sonic the Hedgehog movies that have been out.
Speaker 2:It's got makes bank. Yeah, I'm sure that all of those movies pale in comparison to the revenue derived from this gem from from juice, I don't know fast and the furious made quite quite a bit of money.
Speaker 3:I believe this guy's not wait more than juice?
Speaker 2:No, I don't know. I don't know it's just worth the squeeze.
Speaker 1:No pun intended, we'll find out and we'll find out budget on this five million box office. 20.1 million, all right, so.
Speaker 3:Matt.
Speaker 1:We put about seven dollars towards there you go.
Speaker 3:That's when yeah movie was seven. You get like a popcorn for two bucks.
Speaker 2:That's a 400% return.
Speaker 1:Certainly the Jews was worth the squeeze definitely definitely yeah, tickets back down probably like 325 350. You remember early 90s what we were looking at?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, absolutely. It was less than five bucks a person and then you could go to the Elks in Middletown.
Speaker 1:I was never. I don't think I've ever seen a movie there at the Elks, but I was probably never will. I guess not. I was just down there, right near there, at the Brownstone.
Speaker 3:Oh, they got good breakfast there, hmm banging crab soup.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was dancing with mr Brownstone. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a good jam. Guns and roses Were they on the soundtrack for juice? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm guessing. No, probably, maybe they were on the B side. The B side, you guys, you guys didn't, you didn't flip the tape.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I guess that's it for the. Oh, one last thing too. This was filmed almost entirely in Harlem, new York, between March of 91 and April 91, so a little over a month. That's pretty much it for that, and I'll turn over to zap for the cast.
Speaker 2:All right. So the cast of juice includes Omar epps as Quincy Q Powell, tupac Shakur as Roland Bishop, khalil Kane as Raheem Porter, jermaine Hopkins as Eric steel Thurman, cindy Herron as Yolanda, vincent Loresca as Radhamez, samuel L Jackson as Trip George O Gore. The second as Brian Grace Garland as Quincy's mother, queen Latifa as rough house emcee word. Victor Campos as Fernando Keyless and Oran Jones as snappy nappy dugout nice.
Speaker 3:Fernando, that's fun to say. Fernando, fernando, no, no zap for not seeing this movie. You can't tell me that Samuel L Jackson was not cool. No, he was great. He's always great. He's good man, the guy's good.
Speaker 2:So this was after, in my opinion, I guess, samuel L Jackson's coming out movie, like when you really first saw him, which was one of Dave's all-time favorites. Good fellas, oh yeah, stacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:From there you started to see more and more of Samuel L Jackson Obviously blew it out of the water with Pulp Fiction in 94.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I mean he did a great job with this movie, absolutely you know what blew my mind when I looked it up, because I I was curious on ages, and I'll get to the other ages, but same as L Jackson was 43 when they filmed this movie and he was 62 years old.
Speaker 2:In this movie you ain't never met no Frank Sinatra. I said 92. This came out 30, 31 years ago and he was 43, 43, 74 yep, now he is.
Speaker 1:He was born in 48.
Speaker 2:Dang don't crack.
Speaker 1:I know he looked great in it, but it looks great now.
Speaker 3:He does he looks the same he does.
Speaker 1:But I'm watching this movie and I'm thinking like, oh, sammy, oh again. And he, like you said, he was getting hot around that time. Paul Fiction came out Later. Obviously we talked about good fellas and do the right thing do the right thing.
Speaker 1:That was in the 80s, I guess, right 89, maybe 88 88, 88 but 87 if you say yeah, but that he got such a late start because he's a great actor, I'm sure awesome, sure so, but yeah, I have some other ages, but we'll get in and I'm later I'll turn it over, I guess, to Matt. Now for the brief synapses.
Speaker 3:The brief synapses of the movie juice from the back of the VHS. Yes, this is, this is official, right here, like a referee's whistle. What's that from?
Speaker 2:that's Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3:Snoop dog, All right you know his snoop album that just turned 30 years old.
Speaker 1:What dog stop yeah?
Speaker 3:nice, they just had something on like a MTV classic or something that hmm, that's 30 years ago.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. Juice. Rahim Bishop steel their four Harlem friends who spend their days hanging out looking for a way to get the power and respect they call juice. Q hopes to earn respect by becoming a scratch and mix. Dj Bishop has a deadlier plan. He wants to take it through an armed robbery and he wants his crew to be with him. Features the cutting-edge music of Eric B and rockin naughty by nature, big daddy Cain's salt and pepper and others. Juice has the juice. But did we ever use that when we were in school? Anybody?
Speaker 2:you got the juice? Yeah, I got the juice. No, no, I never heard that until I just watched this movie a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3:I didn't know juice until we had him on our show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was saying. We should remake this, remake this about our juice. Yeah, I run spots with pros.
Speaker 2:We did the OJ Podcast. That is true. Yeah, we had a juice moment there. That is true. Yeah, he had the juice. So I guess I can appreciate what you guys are saying with respect to you dug the soundtrack. You dug the. That feel at the time that the early 90s hip-hop Vibe that was going on at the time. So sure you're gonna go see this movie. A latecomer they're just not gonna get it right, no no no
Speaker 1:no no, I agree, I could see that like watching it now. I mean, it's still to me. It's just this. I Nostalgia, it's nostalgia yeah what it reminds me of is like cannonball run, but I think it's better than cannonball run. Run had like so many cameos and stars studied cast that you're just like oh look Terry Bradshaw. Oh, it's Sammy Davis.
Speaker 3:I mean, terry Bradshaw was not in this movie, just no, not in juice. Yeah, just let you guys know he could have been, though he could have, he could have, no, but it's the um. I just remember, like Dave, when we, my mom dropped us off to see this movie.
Speaker 1:Your mom was in this movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was, he don't we'll get there.
Speaker 1:She's in the cameo, dang.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she got a great part, no oh, oh, yeah she.
Speaker 1:It's like man is that your mom did.
Speaker 3:You see that you know talking about yeah, the lady sells the gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, okay, yes, oh, you know what? I'm sorry, I did think of that. I was gonna actually say something about that.
Speaker 3:Thank you, if you look if you look it up on on your phone or whatever, or any of your, your devices at home.
Speaker 1:If you see this part, the lady who sells the gun Looks just like my mom could we put a picture up of you and your mom like on the social media so people get in and put like an, a, b, would she care?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'd have to ask her, if you need one.
Speaker 2:I've got a picture. Oh come on man, I got it, my wallet.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have a juice scenario here, like the movie here. These guys are gonna be going at it like Bishop.
Speaker 1:Yeah and Q. Yeah, but yeah, so Definitely. Yeah. This movie is definitely nostalgic for me. I just got my license a month before. This is one of the soundtracks, one of the cassettes I was definitely playing in my car. This one would get a boys. There's a bunch of stuff that I had. This soundtrack was amazing. I'm sure it helped make the movie better. I didn't really know too much about to pocket the time. He wasn't really two apocalypse now was already out his first Album.
Speaker 3:But he wasn't in like poetic, this was kind of his first one. Yeah, I was aware of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, but I mean, he wasn't you know the star that he became, or you know they actually said his acting was like pretty on point because he took a lot.
Speaker 3:It was like mostly like a lot of his Kind of just like kind of growing up like he really didn't have to.
Speaker 1:Somebody's being himself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they could pretty much be themselves, like just acting how it is, like growing up in a city, or you know, just that kind of feel to it wait, who are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Tupac to pack sugar? Okay?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was 20 years old and Omar Epps was 18.
Speaker 5:I thought Omar Epps did well in this he did very good and Cindy Herron.
Speaker 1:You know where she's from in living color. No.
Speaker 2:Distinguished gentlemen.
Speaker 1:No, she was a founding member of in vogue oh.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1:and she's 30 years old at the time they're making this movie. So more apps is getting like around 30 according to the internet wait, which one was Cindy Herron. She's the older on that oh Q was hooking up with the older, the older lady. Yeah, she's like get out right right, whatever the name was a lot of cool cameos in this movie. I mean we had dr Draina lover. We all know from you. Mtv.
Speaker 3:They were. They were in the scratch battle part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fat five, freddy Mm-hmm, it was also from you. Mtv wraps, donnie Faison. You know him from scrubs and the T-Bombo commercials that are out now. If you say, yeah, you remember scrubs with.
Speaker 2:I remember the show. Yeah, he was should say. I know that it exists, I never watched it.
Speaker 1:Well, he's on a commercial with the other guy from scrubs, zach, what's his name?
Speaker 3:Efron no, no, the guy elephant. A kiss.
Speaker 1:No, the other Zach.
Speaker 3:Zach attack from.
Speaker 1:Zach the Lego maniac the guy that the movie was like Jersey State or something like that, or oh um, zach, um?
Speaker 3:You're not Jersey State. Was I called them Jersey boys? No, no no no.
Speaker 1:It's a movie his family owns the glass lounge. Actually this actor he was in scrubs. He's a well-known Moneyway. He's in a T-Mobile commercial with his Donnie Faison, because they were in scrubs together.
Speaker 2:I don't want no scrub. A scrub is it starts with a beat on it bro.
Speaker 1:Brandon you gotta know a lot. We'll have to look it up. I try to, I trust you.
Speaker 3:Oh crap, it's one of, like, my wife's favorite actors. Yeah, oh my gosh, all right yeah.
Speaker 1:So also in this was EPMD Wearing her t-shirt right now.
Speaker 3:Bar patrons yeah, December 9th They'll be in concert.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to go this Saturday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I will be here. I'll be out of town, but I wanted to go also special Ed, who was a rapper on the magnificent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was in the red Passat, that was much like the red, the red Volkswagen Passat. Did Jack. One of our friends drove a red Passat just like that right.
Speaker 2:I thought it was green, but it was red.
Speaker 3:I had a green Passat. Yeah, that was similar to the one that he, but he had the Wolfsburg edition. Did you see the little?
Speaker 1:logo on the side. Yeah, that's, that's that's fancy, it is and also, last but not least, tretch, from naughty by nature, was in this, and Rotem as his crew. He was one of the crew.
Speaker 2:He was one of the yeah, yeah, yep. I want to sex you up.
Speaker 1:That's it. I color me bad shit. I thought that was naughty by nature. No, no, naughty by nature, is like OPP and all that.
Speaker 3:No, they had. That's right, that's right Color me bad, was sex you up naughty by nature, had that banger they played at the end of the of the movie uptown. Yeah, oh my gosh, like I just yeah, that was something I had in my car and then you get your ass kicked. No never that was. That was going still in downtown anthem.
Speaker 1:Funny story about tretch and naughty by nature. So that album came out September 3rd 1991. So we were what? September 91, ninth grade. We were just starting our sophomore year.
Speaker 1:So I got the cassette and then the. You know I'm reading in the back. Then when we talk about you can pull out the insert and read about it. And I'm looking at the group members and I'm like, oh, treat, treat. Yeah, that was me. I said I was talking to someone like, yeah, this guy treat, so he's pretty good. And they're like treat, what are you talking about? It's a stretch. So I learned something there.
Speaker 3:There you go. That's like reading Harry Potter. I thought the character was Hermione.
Speaker 1:Right, right Right.
Speaker 3:I didn't know it was Hermione.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought that Rodimus was from Harry Potter. That name sounds like a, like a name from there Like a wizard, like a wizard name, absolutely. But I guess that's it for the, the cast and the synapses and all that. So we'll let Matt steer us through this yeah, oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 3:So if I sound, if I sound a little like Zapp while I'm steering through this, Will you have the honor.
Speaker 2:You picked this delightful movie. You please walk us through this. All right, Let me.
Speaker 3:I'll do that. Okay, it's the morning of a school day in Harlem. We're introduced to Quincy, Raheem, Bishop and Eric all going through their individual morning routines. That means they're like all getting ready for school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so that's what we're seeing right. All four dudes in their own individual ways doing it. What was, ultimately, what was wrong with Roland's father?
Speaker 3:He just sits there and stares blankly at a television Was he, like was he on drugs, Like was he on the crackling.
Speaker 1:It was almost like there was maybe something that happened.
Speaker 3:That was like we used to watch in cartoons. Yeah, just chilling there was something that happened.
Speaker 1:It was so traumatic. It put him into like almost like a like a trance, like something like that. Now I don't know if it was like a prison rape or something that was happening. What's happened when he was working at the prison. That's traumatic An assault, but something that put him into that state Almost that he was like comatose on us.
Speaker 3:It's just showing he had like a, he had his shit growing up. Everybody had their sure Shit Sure.
Speaker 2:And okay. So yeah, Roland, because at this point the only name we know him by is Roland because he's at home. But this is Bishop. This is a two box character, so his dad is messed up. Got it? Raheem, one of the other guys. He has a kid.
Speaker 3:But he's having trouble with the baby's mama.
Speaker 2:He has, yeah, she definitely that's gotta be tough in high school. Yes, like you're negotiating, your your power of negotiates gotta be, you know, kind of limited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was. He was like the good looking dude in the crew. Yeah, I mean, he's like a smooth looking dude.
Speaker 2:I loved watching Eric aka steel. So back in the day I mean, everybody wanted the biggest boom box, the best boom box, the this that you know I remember being a kid, the guy across the street. He has had a like a two inch television in it Built into that?
Speaker 1:Oh, I remember those. Yeah, I thought that was the most amazing thing ever.
Speaker 2:But then there's there's steel Eric with with his little boom box Like that might be the smallest box I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't too impressive.
Speaker 3:I had one of them, one's from Sears, like boom box with the double tape deck, and I'm saying that's what my dad had one I remember when he bought we were out I think it was like maybe pennies or like one of those departments to the water makers, I forget, but it was the all silver ones like they had, and it had like the EQ in the middle with the, with the two tape decks. Hell yeah, Like the, it had like that grating the silver grating around the speakers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:It was very nice, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember like my brother and I both got them for Christmas and it took like 42 D batteries. Yeah, you had to put it in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think they take like 12. And that was before you could recharge them. Yes.
Speaker 2:You were pitching through a lot of money for batteries, dude For sure. Oh, one last part of this scene here, as we're seeing these, these kids, in their morning routines, everybody all gets together, right, and they're all, they're cooling it and they're, you know, on their way to basically, you know, skipping work or whatever. They, of course, harass the local bodega owner, keyles, and he just comes out. I'm going to shoot your pee pee off man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, yeah, that dude's just trying to sell fruit man. They won't leave him alone. They're a good guy. No, Is that what that bodega?
Speaker 1:is. Is that what that is? Like a like a store, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, to be clear, a bodega is not a pejorative term that is used quite commonly. It is just to basically explain a quickie mart in the middle of a city.
Speaker 3:Okay, I thought that was a haberdashery.
Speaker 2:No no, that's a quickie mart in the outskirts of Montana.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay Got you.
Speaker 3:Bodega sounds like something like you hang out under like in the summertime. Yeah, under the, where the people that they go they're down by the bodega.
Speaker 1:Bodega right Having some beers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's cool, though. Well, our morning continues with some harassment by a Puerto Rican gang and hanging out at local arcade until the police show up to break up their morning of skipping school.
Speaker 2:So, matt, I remember as a kid you well, I should say in high school. You would use often the term uh, the snappy nappy or the nappy dugout. Is this where you got that from?
Speaker 1:Probably no, it would have been from the ice cube, I think.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's the ice cube of them.
Speaker 1:There was an ice, ice, cube. I think it was either ice cube or the lynch mob which was like an offshoot in the mist. Yeah, an offshoot of ice cube, like kind of like he's got these guys an album deal and they had a song in order to. It was him or them, and it was like giving up the nappy dugout, giving up the night, and there was a song about it. The night. I think it. I think it was ice cube, but I don't know if it would have been before this or not.
Speaker 3:Ice cube was 91. Probably that was freshman year, or 92. No, he was big 92, 93. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:Well, he had America's most wanted, which was in like after NWA, like when he broke off, so that would have been like 91 90 around this, and then, like death certificate and lethal injection and all those came out, I think, after this yeah, but Gorilla's in the mist, that would have been probably around this time. The lynch mob, the lynch mob. Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 3:That was a good one.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if it came from that or this movie. You know what I mean. What was?
Speaker 2:snappy nappy dugouts job, or what was his function in this? Was he just a guy peddling stuff? This is Oran Jones's character, I'm not sure. So he means this is there's a when you first meet snappy nappy, he he's meeting with these kids while they're in the arcade.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think who snappy nappy was. I just, I could just keep on thinking a trip.
Speaker 1:I can't remember that, anything in particular that he was doing or selling. I just remember them at that arcade playing Street Fighter the first one.
Speaker 2:So is it? Is it just me? Now, look, I've. I can't say that I've ever run from the police. So when I see a police chase, like when they when they come in and they break up the arcade, it's one thing to be chased by the police. It's another thing to run up the stairwells of one building, jump over to a completely different building.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all this for skipping school. I didn't know like the Harlem police didn't have anything to do in 92, right, Except chase after kids who should be well presuming they should be in school.
Speaker 1:You don't know that. Well, I would think, like public they would have truancy officers that would go around and like do that job, not police. You know what I mean, but who?
Speaker 3:knows. But the truancy officer did that. Did that even really exist? I remember like my grandma would say something like the truancy officer.
Speaker 1:They for sure have truancy officers, like at public schools. I mean, I don't know about anymore, but at one time that was a thing for sure.
Speaker 3:Do they like? Carry a gat, like they go around.
Speaker 1:No, carry a gat.
Speaker 3:Hey, jimmy, you should be in school.
Speaker 1:Like do they mark it down, I feel like they would show up at the house sometimes. I mean I feel like my brother maybe had, because my brother would skip school. He went to public school at one time and I remember him skipping school and getting caught and stuff like that and it was like a big deal Because when we went to school like they would need a phone call.
Speaker 3:If they didn't get a phone call, they'd like call your parents work number, they'd call the home. Yeah, they like people, like really did their job back then to make sure you were at school.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it's different in the in the Catholic school thing, because you've got parents that are paying good, solid, decent money to send the kid there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so if your kid's not at school, they want the parents to know.
Speaker 2:Correct. So these are going to be very receptive parents to hey, your kids not here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're paying 50 bucks a day, you know if you had average it out for just 50 bucks a day, you're student.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah, I know, it's my pain.
Speaker 1:No, I agree. So what else we got here? Oh, the rooftop chase yeah, you're talking about that. Never did that. Never would I see them doing that on YouTube and stuff People jumping like building the building and stuff. I don't have the balls for that. Just avoid, like getting in trouble for skipping school. Yeah, I don't know, I'd be jumping between that.
Speaker 3:I'm okay with that. Yeah, if you slip, that's bad news.
Speaker 2:And the one kid smartest out of all of them was Quincy, who is aspiring to be quite the DJ Like he's obsessed with it, man. Yeah for sure. All he does is I mean, he's up there, he wiki wikis up in his bedroom. He's constantly listening to music constantly. I don't know he's, he's going to be something someday.
Speaker 1:Those turntables that he had were Techniques SL 1200. So that's like an iconic turntable.
Speaker 3:Techniques still make record players and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they definitely still buy them. You know there's some people that say they're not the quality that they were. But they're still expensive and those old ones are like sought after. You can pay. I've seen them on like three, four grand. You buy them. Now you look up like Crutchfield has one, a newer model, for like 2200 bucks. I guess it depends on the configuration. You're going to spend between a thousand and 2000. But yeah, they're well made and they just iconic it's interesting.
Speaker 2:you should say that I would talk about the turntables. I was going to actually ask you about the tape deck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the techniques as well, correct.
Speaker 2:I'm guessing that's another sought after device, just because, for no other reason, the nostalgia yeah, I would guess.
Speaker 1:So I mean I think with with the tape deck. I mean, I'm sure techniques makes good tape decks, but I know for a fact that the turntables are like among audio files and DJs, that's like a sought after line. If you can get a hold of an SL 1200, you know what I mean you got like the creme de la creme Dang. I think some people would say you know, a lot of people say that.
Speaker 3:Which DJing like that is a as a lost art form today, like a lot of these people, they don't use.
Speaker 1:Well, it's all computer based.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's all computer based. They put in like the CDs. They scratch on like a thing that's not even. It's like a plastic piece of something that scratches. But to do that is harder than what people would think. Like I remember. I remember trying that as a kid, like downstairs with my dad. My dad's like our player and it's just you need to.
Speaker 2:It's not. Yeah, it's not the same. You need to a weighted needle. You can't do that with just your scratch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, correct, but I feel like you with this rotor caster sometimes. Yeah, sure, up and down, you look like I do, I got it we should we should get, we should get like a little mix thing in here. It's like I just got put my gloves on my leather driving gloves he had for like scratch and that's a yeah, you need that, Like when it lifting weights.
Speaker 3:you need those other gloves or like, like hanging out. If you're, like you know, doing break dancing in the eighties, you need those gloves. It's a good look yeah. Later that morning at a local record store, Quincy distracts the clerk while the other three steal records for him, followed by a visit to a local bar for some cigarettes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like that part yeah, that was a good part, of course. Now it's interesting, they never did get those cigarettes. No the key walks in there to get cigarettes. It was a Quincy that walked in. Yeah, quincy, it was a Quincy or Raheem, but I'm thinking Quincy.
Speaker 1:Quincy walked in. He was chasing that girl. He saw that girl and he was going in after so he goes in to get the cigarettes.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden the bar is being robbed. Quincy is actually offered to partake in the robbery, or I should say he's offered a piece. Yeah, you want a piece of this. Yeah, he's like no, Politely declined.
Speaker 1:I was looking at that cigarette machine, so you had. These are the brands in there Cool, Newport, which are both Menthol, Benson and Hedges.
Speaker 2:Remember though are they still around? They are a thing, they still exist, and I saw Paul Maul in there, nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see what the price was? To something right, I think it was like $249.
Speaker 1:Is that good price for $92?.
Speaker 2:To be clear, that's $249 in New York. Yeah true.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, because I never. I never noted those machines. I think it was like usually an even two bucks or like a three buck thing, right, I remember getting cigarettes out of those where you pull the little slot and like it came out with a pack of matches.
Speaker 2:You get the matches with it. You're paying close to $20 a pack now in New York Wow, I'm saying in the city, like in Manhattan, like one of those, the hot dog vendors or whatever the guys that are, that's by far and away the most expensive place to get it. Right Is some street stand. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're looking at close to 20 bucks.
Speaker 1:That's big money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are Digulous.
Speaker 3:I was just in New York this weekend and in Manhattan and everything. And we stayed overnight. The price for anything now in New York, like you said, is insane.
Speaker 2:I don't even know how I don't even know how people you're talking.
Speaker 3:Like a drink is like $16 for like a drink.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 3:Like a captain in Coke or something like that.
Speaker 1:I'll stay here.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm good with it.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, it's a lot slower, easier living.
Speaker 1:I also wanted to talk about Q Sports, some of the stuff I like. That 49ers bucket hat that was cool A lot of people wearing 49ers, 49ers stuff.
Speaker 3:I saw it, yeah.
Speaker 1:And this is East Coast, but that you know. I mean, it was always kind of like that, like when I was in high school, you'd wear whatever team. If it was just cool gear, you didn't really care.
Speaker 3:Well, san Francisco was like on top of the world at that time too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 92, they were, yeah, I guess they were still winning Steve Young.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they were winning championships.
Speaker 1:Ricky Waters was there, that was 94. And they won the Super Bowl. I think that year was Steve Young, I think 92, we were still in the Cowboys era, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 3:Could have been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Also the pump sneakers. He had the pumps.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's getting it right, Switching all his gear and stuff like that. Yeah. So, we were talking about San Francisco and I had something to say.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I forgot what I was going to say. I was talking about San Fran, about the gear.
Speaker 3:No, but it wasn't. It wasn't starter stuff yet though.
Speaker 1:Oh, starter was out by then. Yeah, in the 90s, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Everybody was looking for the, the Charlotte Hornets. Yes everybody wanted that one. Colorado Rockies was a big one. I'll rock is was huge. You had that right.
Speaker 1:You had a rock, I had a rocket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you also had a pair of Reebok pumps.
Speaker 3:Yes, I did. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. Thank you, zap. Oh, I want to do. I'm looking for a picture of me with I have a deaf leopard hysteria painters hat. Yeah, with a white t-shirt with the cutoff cutoff arms. Right cut off jeanshorts and my Reebok pumps. Oh nice, so that'd be awesome. Yeah, that picture doesn't exist with my, with my 80s, like Sally, jesse Raphael glasses.
Speaker 2:It's so big on my face.
Speaker 3:I need that picture.
Speaker 2:I will.
Speaker 3:I will look for that picture.
Speaker 1:Please, it's out there. It is out there. I know how. To Georgia Tech starter, I had a UNLV one at one point. To I had a UNLV like Leather type jacket. I don't think it was a starter, but yeah, starter was it, man, I was a your dad had that one oh leather UNLV jacket.
Speaker 3:That's probably worth like $700 today.
Speaker 1:They were like the hot team that year and in college basket.
Speaker 3:Okay, Ian, yeah.
Speaker 1:North Carolina gear was hot too.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know, yeah, because of the colors were cool. But yeah, that UNLV jacket was, that was prime. Back at Eric's house, the four have breakfast and find that Blizzard. The guy who was robbing the local bar, was shot and killed by police at the scene and now motivated Bishop encourages his friends to turn to a life of crime as a means of making something of themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was messed up. They're at. They're at Eric's house right. Steals house, he makes breakfast for him, he's, you know, add salt, more salt, doing whatever 40, and then, yeah, then they're watching a telly, and there it is. I mean, dude just got, they were just there a minutes earlier and now dude's dead.
Speaker 1:Looks like our TV over here. I guess that exactly. Can't see that, yeah, but exactly, eventually you will how did still get the nickname steel?
Speaker 3:Is it cuz he was like a chubby kid or making fun of them, or yeah, I don't know they.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they never really got to why like you know, like a dude like yo steel. It's not like he's muscles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:I think it's like it was like a Like, like kind of making fun of them, I think, I don't know but I, like they're watching that old-school James Cagney.
Speaker 1:I think it was like an old gangster flick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like shut up man, I'm watching this yeah that's so that seems so weird to me that these guys are watching old black and white like movies from the 50s.
Speaker 3:Like gangster stuff yeah but it was gangster stuff. And I think also that, like you probably didn't have that many channels in the true yeah, so these are things that they're probably. They probably see that like we do home alone now, like that probably is, run on reruns just constantly on like a on one of the four channels that they have also noticed on the.
Speaker 1:I'll watch this on on max, so I was streaming it. A Say the Sega 8-bit system? Yeah, they had to. I saw one of the controllers up there, the Sega Master System. Is that what it was called? Yeah, I, everybody I knew, had Nintendo. I knew people had Genesis.
Speaker 2:I knew one kid coming up that had the, the Sega Master System, and it was the same as Nintendo, except all black and lesser known games. Yeah but there was a couple of games on there that I Absolutely adored playing. One of them was Herzog's way.
Speaker 1:Did they have altered beast on the? Yes okay, that was the one that I remember. Genesis launched with that correct ordered beast. But yeah, like Sega, like told, genesis came out. I don't know like how much market share they had, but I thought that was cool. I noticed the controller right away, yep.
Speaker 2:Now I used to fun fact, fun fact, I would buy the. So I loved the feel of the Nintendo controllers and I also had a Commodore 64 computer. Right, the port for the game for the Sega Master System controllers matched the port for. Commodore 64 it was also the same port used in Atari 2600.
Speaker 1:So you can change them and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:So I would consistently, if I and I went through controllers, man, I mean I went through them I Would just buy the Sega Master System ones and use on the use those Commodore Yep, you know feel them Was that like an Xbox PlayStation thing today was like the Nintendo Sega gen.
Speaker 3:Sega came out with um, who's a little guy that rolled around. Oh, sonic, sonic Was that why people wanted to get to like the Sega.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the key I think with any console is to get a franchise that is exclusive and then people have to buy your console. So you know, with Nintendo I mean Super Mario, nobody else could make that but that kind of launched with it. Sega had Sonic, that was later on, then on the Genesis, I'm trying to think like Atari, if they ever really had a. Yeah they were just kind of one of the first, I guess, the market correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just they had. There was nothing specific to Atari, but they had all they had a lot of shit. Well, that's fair, but I mean, what other consoles were there other than Atari?
Speaker 1:right. Yeah, they were actually Probably like one of the main. I know there was a couple. I like to leak ovision, I guess. Sure remember there was Turbografx 16.
Speaker 2:I had one of those absolutely Turbografx. 16 was banging. Yeah, Turbografx 16 way ahead of their time, by the way. Oh yeah, they had not. What was great and I mean ideal about that they had the home system, but they also had mobile, correct? Yeah, they were game boy, way before game boy, and it was color and it was back. The cartridges were interchangeable you could take it out of the one you were playing at home and put it in your little Handheld and walk around with it.
Speaker 3:That's a me. A game boy wasn't even color.
Speaker 2:How though no game boy was beat ass game boy.
Speaker 3:You get like the big screen, like if you're like on your trip at night in the car. No, it had like that screen you could like buy to flip over top and have like a little light on it. Yeah, magnified the regular screen.
Speaker 1:That was cool. I remember that. Yeah, now I got. I remember getting a game boy that was cool, tetris, and that was only the.
Speaker 3:Mario.
Speaker 1:Brothers was.
Speaker 2:There was a Mario Brothers on there. So after this little breakfast, ron DeVue, oh, quincy leaves and he what? He goes to his girlfriend. Yeah. Yolanda, yo, yo, yo, yolanda, yeah, and that's when we meet, not only Yolanda, but I guess sugar daddy. Yeah, she's in the process of divorcing her husband, or some shit. Yeah, that dude looked like way older, so they were already splitting. It's not like Quincy was the home wrecker.
Speaker 3:No no, no, no, no, they yeah. Well, we don't know that I guess.
Speaker 1:But I kind of looked at that and was like, well, maybe she's a nurse. I'm wondering if, like that dude was kind of like her sugar daddy. You know, maybe she was like with him.
Speaker 3:So you're saying it wasn't her husband, then I mean they were definitely married, cuz they were in divorce for sure.
Speaker 1:But I'm wondering if, like, she may be married him cuz she's a lot younger. I would gauge her age at like late 20s, cuz he was definitely older. He was 17.
Speaker 3:Q.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of statutory rape.
Speaker 3:No 17 is legal.
Speaker 1:That's true in New York we found that out, 17. You are right Look, winger was right all along right, we found out, I don't need me Fisher.
Speaker 2:Oh right, age of consent.
Speaker 3:That's why. That's why he can sing about 17. That's why they can't like she's only. Daddy says she's too young.
Speaker 1:They would be able to see it out, she's only they have to overdub it 19.
Speaker 3:She's 19 or 18. No, 18 is an adult anywhere, but 17 is the age of consent in most states.
Speaker 1:But anyway I got the vibe that she was kind of like probably got with this guy when she was like younger and was like I'm done with this guy needs, I'm a young and exciting, but make sense Just seems odd. Now we know a guy that I know we went to high school with that I remember when we were like seniors he was dating like a 26 year old. I mean the guy would get served at bars.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he looked like he was 26 Yep, but to be that age and to be with like a woman.
Speaker 3:I thought you're talking about our coaching staff.
Speaker 1:That was the other way around. There's that. There was some of that, I'm sure, but I'm talking about scandalous, scandalous if you're a 17 year old boy and you're hooking up with like somebody 26. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I see I hear what you're saying, like that is a woman.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm yeah adult woman. Mm-hmm, grown-ass woman. Yeah, I mean props to him for pulling that off. But yes he was hot, and that's the invoke girl already starting to sag. Yeah, oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that elasticity goes after a little while. Mm-hmm. Yeah, whatever. So let's see what happened next. Oh so Quincy's hanging it, hanging with his girlfriend Slapping it after the the husband gets kicked out. Yeah later on, radio Raheem stops him. That's right and says hey, man, look, we got a meeting here, we got to get together. But I mean, doesn't he have a A, an addition the next day? Yes, DJ has DJ thing. That's right. So I guess he's conflicted. They end up pushing that meeting, though Yep like he makes it to the meeting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we has to those. Those are his homies.
Speaker 1:His crew man crew.
Speaker 3:Yeah that you ever see those crew shirts.
Speaker 2:Like crew when are you talking? The rowing team?
Speaker 3:not the rowing team. No, there's an actual shirt. It has crew and it has the four guys from from juice. Oh wow, and it's cool shirt the next day, quincy is the first one in line for the addition, and he nails it. Just when everything is looking great for Quincy, it turns out his friends have agreed upon a plan to rob a local convenience store.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah, okay, so that's the meeting. Yeah, that's what they have to meet about was the meeting. She was mentioned in the cast, so Shout out to Queen Latipa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the.
Speaker 2:The judge gave him mad props.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was DJ skills giving that one guy hard time. I think that guy was like. Now they said they're calling him flex. I was thinking fuck master flex, but that's not who it was, is some other guy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's that guy's actually was flex Alexander.
Speaker 1:Yeah, flex Alexander, and I guess he is like a real-life DJ word. Yeah, so, but she was like giving him a hard time. Don't you suck, you know blah, blah blah.
Speaker 3:Um, the robbery part in this. I don't know why you like these guys are planning cuz. Uh, bishop, and who was the other one? Not Q, not Steel.
Speaker 2:Raheem.
Speaker 3:Raheem, yeah, they were like so into it and it doesn't seem like they were like they were pretty much regular middle class city kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't really get why they would want it, but they're all friends, so you just like peer pressure. I guess when you're that age you're just kind of like I guess I'll just go along with it. Now I had friends like that not on this level, but they would do dumb shit and you just get caught up in it because you're with them. Now there'd be times where I'm like yo I'm gonna head out or whatever and try not to be involved. This is on another level when you're talking about like robbery.
Speaker 3:Armed robbery yeah, stuff like that, no, but I remember growing up like it was kind of thrilling to get with a group of friends, kind of like this, honestly, and go into like stores or during Christmas time or even regular, like trying to steal CDs or tapes because kids like our age I mean we weren't able to really get jobs yet You'd be like, you know, 14, 15, starting to get jobs at 15.
Speaker 3:I think at my first job was 15. But yeah, like that was something that kids you know who had stuff, we were like you know middle class For the thrill of it yeah for the thrill, just to see what you could get away with.
Speaker 2:That is a thing, it's for sure a thing. I think the Matt, I mean I'm with you, shit. In fact, I think I was with you.
Speaker 3:You were with me a lot of the times yeah.
Speaker 2:So in addition to that, though with specificity to this movie, what I think started it all was you know, bishop sees what's his name? The guy that held up the bar. He was shot and killed by the police, and so that motivates Bishop, aka Tupac Shakur, like hey man, you know life's short, you know, you never know when you're gonna go. You really gotta make a mark for yourself. You know we're never gonna get out of this hood or we're never gonna amount to anything or whatever. We gotta make it while we can make it. He was just really, really motivated, and by his motivation he's just now pressuring all the other three other guys Like hey man, let's do this. Are you in? Are you in? Are you in? He was. If any one of this group was the leader, it was him.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes. So you're thinking like you're saying that's kind of like the juice thing, like something to be like yeah, we held that store up, like to tell like the Puerto Rican gang or whatever, that's right. Yeah, yeah, we held them up, that was us, that was us.
Speaker 2:That's right, and not just the Puerto Rican gang, the Puerto Rican guy that owns that bodega. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And they're watching Radames down there on the street. You know, roughing people up doing shit.
Speaker 3:And then they're just kind of like yeah, and they gotta take it.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing I would imagine now. I grew up in the city, but not like this. But when you live in an area like that, you're gonna be running into these people every day. So if you're like getting roughed up or having, you know, confrontation all the time, like the only way you're ever gonna get respect is to either you know fight back or throw down.
Speaker 3:Or throw down or prove to them like look like you know, we're just as bad as you are, bad as you are.
Speaker 1:You might end up, you know.
Speaker 3:You're like Michael Jackson bad.
Speaker 1:Right, and it's just like you're gonna just keep running into these same people all the time, so you ain't bad, you ain't nothing, you ain't nothing. It'd be better if they would just dance it off, but that's not how I was gonna go down. Quick side note Quick side note.
Speaker 3:I know, nothing's ever quick, but in New York we went to this place it was called Ape it and they like made Smashburgers and stuff, but they had video game systems that you could just and it was any game that you wanted. So I was playing Michael Jackson Moonwalker. Nice, Nice, that was Sega, I believe.
Speaker 1:Well, this movie did make me kind of yearn for those days of the arcade Sure. And like you know, I could see like skipping school to go to the arcade. I'd be back in the day, that would have been the thing to do. I mean, they did have the Sega at home but you know the stand up arcades. At the time there was a difference. Now you can get those graphics at home and all that, but back then those games you go to arcade like games were way better.
Speaker 3:And it meant something Like that was something I remember going to the East Mall with my pap. He was giving me a couple of dollars to go to the arcade, while I sat there with his friends and drink coffee.
Speaker 1:I mean, I remember like Double Dragon came out on NES and I'm in and you're expecting it to look like the arcade.
Speaker 2:Oh dude, what a left down every time. I mean every time.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh, it's going to look, just nope, that's not Nope.
Speaker 2:You just got ripped the fuck off.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Speaking of ripping off, note, quincy, the aspiring DJ, wants nothing to do with this planned robbery. Nothing. He got other things in life, that's right. He's been working hard on the DJ stuff.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, that night Quincy squares off against the reigning champion, dj, and wins low and behold Nice. He does yeah like he's all crazy.
Speaker 2:Which is so. Now we see the dichotomy in this movie of this guy is torn between man I got this. You know I'm working my way up the chain here. My aspirations of being a DJ are going to take off, you know, they're really working out. But I got these friends man Like how do I say no to my friends, man? They want to go, they want to go do this robbery. What am I going to do?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why he goes for it. He does.
Speaker 2:He couldn't take the pressure man, he ended up giving in.
Speaker 1:And those friends use that as an alibi too, like, hey, we can say we were there, we'll show up and it's all going to work out perfectly.
Speaker 3:And they get that crew together too. They all did it together. It's one for all Corroboration. Yeah, so these cats get together and they rob the store. Bishop shoots the owner, fernando Quiles, quiles, quiles, quiles, fernando Quiles, in the head, killing him. Things turn from bad to worse when Raheem attempts to take the gun from Bishop and then Bishop shoots him Because they get in that confrontation.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just an accident.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Like they were fighting over the gun and the gun went off.
Speaker 3:No, he was like. You know what are you doing? Give me like.
Speaker 1:There was a struggle, I think, but he shot him.
Speaker 3:He stood back.
Speaker 1:It was definitely like yeah, take that. Because his friends are sitting there like what the hell? You know what.
Speaker 2:I mean, well, yeah, things are definitely getting bad.
Speaker 3:I mean, bishop is not Michael Jackson bad now, this is like real bad. This is real bad.
Speaker 2:Yes, this is truth definition in the Bible. In the Bible bad. So Bishop's now killed two people in one night and he's threatening to kill the other two If they you know. Basically, like you, better keep your mouth shut or I'll come and kill you too.
Speaker 1:Right, it's just that now you've seen it happen, you know that, like this, guy has no fear of killing, there's no remorse.
Speaker 2:No, no, alas, so he goes back. So what? He goes back to the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause he was doing his DJ, he left the first part. He was doing DJ.
Speaker 2:He cut after his first round, then he comes back, but I guess his ability to continue to participate was it was cut short when the police, the police come in and actually just take him out of there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like hey, do you have you seen this person? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:See, I'm the police there, like they can't catch a bunch of kids at an arcade, but, like you know, a half hour after like a murder, like they're all on it. They're like oh, we know who did it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me in here right now. I can't say, the believability of that was just not there.
Speaker 3:They're not working that quickly. This was the only part of the movie that I was kind of like. Eh, I had to look past. Like one of those things where you're just like mm. Yeah. Cause that thing that would have took weeks, months maybe, shit yeah To even.
Speaker 1:To narrow that down.
Speaker 3:To narrow that down.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess, since it was their friend and I'm sure like they were like these are the people that he hangs out with, that they were like we'll go talk to them first, you know what I mean? I mean, it's possible, but that was really quick to have.
Speaker 2:How would they have known that it was their friend and how did they notice that? True, true.
Speaker 3:I did like the questioning part, though Like I don't know how we do with that either.
Speaker 2:Like the interrogation. Yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 3:They're just in their face and, like you know, the one guy's like huh man, just cool. And then Steel was like why you crying? Yeah?
Speaker 2:he's crying.
Speaker 3:Like, oh man Steel's gonna crack, but he didn't. None of them did.
Speaker 2:Steel was a mess. And then there's Bishop that just laughing and he doesn't care. He's laughing along with. The police are making jokes. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's the thing too I think for like police is, they would look at, you know, bishop's character, if I, like this guy, didn't do it, like you know.
Speaker 1:The guy's got an Uzi around his neck. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just like I'd be like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:This could be a suspect.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about that gold chain with the Uzi Like.
Speaker 2:Why don't I have one of those?
Speaker 1:Well, I was thinking about, like, if we pull that off and I would have had like a golf club.
Speaker 3:Don't worry, is that Christmas is coming, nice, nice.
Speaker 1:I was thinking like what will we have worn? Like gold chain? I was thinking like like golf club or like tennis racket, or like what would you wear? You know what I'm saying? A vacuum.
Speaker 3:Well, I had a vacuum Actually when we were in school, like there's a couple of gold chains but I didn't see like really any.
Speaker 1:Any things hanging on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we didn't really have like a like charms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What kind of charm would you put on it?
Speaker 3:Like a Pandora. Wasn't big then, I guess. No no, no, I did have a. Well, we did have a friend of ours that were his girlfriends initial.
Speaker 1:Initial on there To change Jesus Christ?
Speaker 3:I was like oh, come on man.
Speaker 1:But I mean, like Zapp, you could have put like a guitar, cause you played instrument. Yep, you know like I'm trying to think what I could have even put on mine. I didn't play golf back then.
Speaker 2:I could have put a guitar or an accordion. Why wouldn't I want?
Speaker 3:an accordion that would have been badass. Or like a I don't know, like a big, like cross or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, cross, you could do, but I'm just trying to think of like something you're into when I was like I don't know what I was, I would have hides the Lord.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would have had like a book. A book, I had like a book.
Speaker 1:Maybe a controller, controllers, controllers or something that's been awesome. I gotta think about that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Come back to us on that Days later at Raheem's wake. Everyone's there, including Bishop, so that was creepy as shit. Yeah, he's a sick dude. I mean, that's what you're saying he lost his shit there.
Speaker 2:I mean, they were, I think, kind of like I don't know if they were ducking him at this point, but I know from this point after they sure as hell were yeah, I think everybody they were like trying to stay away from them.
Speaker 2:The rest of the crew were like this guy's nuts, yeah, and it was just Q and steel, yeah, q and steel the other, they were the last two, and then of course, I mean it was, I don't know, obviously a slap for Bishop to go to Raheem's mother and say that oh man, nana, we're going to find his killer?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're going to. Yeah, when we find him? I mean, just think about, like that Street justice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to happen. But think about, like the conundrum there of like your the fear, like you don't want to like get in trouble with yourself, but your friend just killed your other friend and now you're an accomplice, you feel. But then you, you see this guy like hugging the family.
Speaker 3:Well, it wasn't the friend, they would have went, I think, to the police with the friend. It was the murder at the at the store.
Speaker 1:Well, it was the friend murder too. I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I'm just saying, like you're stuck because it's like I'm screwed Damn if I do, damn if I don't. Like. If I tell somebody, he's going to kill me. If I don't tell somebody, you know, you just don't.
Speaker 3:I mean it's hard to wrap your head around, like if if one of our friends would do something and came to you and said, look man, I especially that age you would handle it, how you would handle it.
Speaker 1:Sure enough to like no, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think you probably just like let it go. Be like hey man, I didn't do it, so I'm not.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Look the other way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bishop may or may not have gone off the rails Now, threatening his friends with death if they say anything. So this is where it is.
Speaker 2:This is where these guys are now truly avoiding this guy like the plague right. So days go by. I mean days. I mean there was a point at which I think there was a scene Bishop was down on the street yelling up.
Speaker 1:And where you at. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Q was up in his bedroom and his little brother or somebody was there. It's like you look, man, I'm not, I'm not answering, Just tell him. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Any kind of threatens. His little brother like not to talk to anything.
Speaker 1:Anything to Bishop Don't you like that stereo over there, it's yours. Just don't say anything, that's right.
Speaker 2:And so now then it becomes almost scream or pick the horror movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where he's popping up every yeah, so I guess it's like people are walking.
Speaker 2:Dude, it gets real when Q's at his, at his locker. He shuts the locker door and he's right there. Yeah, he's right there. That's scary Just a bit.
Speaker 3:So during an altercation with Rodimus, Bishop sees Quincy and Eric who flees instead of helping him Bishop not, but minutes later shoots and kills Rodimus. Yeah, yeah. That was kind of like a part two, where I think Q and steel knew, or Q knew if he left them there, and when Bishop looked right at him he knew that that was trouble, like he knew that was kind of it.
Speaker 1:And maybe he thought those guys would take care of it for him. He had that knife up his nose. Man, I was flinching. I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:That's nasty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was giving me like anxiety. What are like?
Speaker 2:sneezed. So, Matt, what you're saying, I think is but is that so? The Eric and Q look over at Bishop and Bishop sees them?
Speaker 3:back. Yeah, it's mostly Q. Yeah, he looks right at Bishop when Rodimus has the knife to him and he kind of turns his back and walks away.
Speaker 2:And so at that point, that's, I see what you're saying. This is where, quincy, it's known by both sides that they're no longer friends.
Speaker 1:We bailed you out so many times and not no more.
Speaker 3:And then, like Bishop's so trigger happy. Now he just follows Rodimus and shoots him what two, three times like pop, pop, pop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the police come. He's about to grab the gun right before the police show up and start firing. But then he gets broken up and he chased him down. But I was thinking about that like how he always counts on his friends to bail him out. And I had a friend like that growing up. It was like the smallest kid that we hung out with, but he had the biggest mouth, he was a smart ass and he would just always like, whether it be at Pembroke pool.
Speaker 3:This is a great school, then.
Speaker 1:This is like when I'm like 10, 11, 12, whatever we bailed Rod and bikes and the kid just had a mouth on him and he would always just talk shit because there's like five of us there and he knows that like nothing's gonna happen because there's like five of us there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And he has his friends with him and stuff, but he was just always. They accrue exactly, but there's always that kid that has a smart mouth. You know what I mean. I'm sure you've had friends like that. Sure, you know. And that's kind of how Tupac reminded me in this movie. He would like, as soon as he see his friends come, and he would start talking shit. He knows, like you know, they'll break it up.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not long after this scene where we see Matt's mom in her camera.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love this scene.
Speaker 2:Where Quincy gets the gun. What was that? No refrigerator.
Speaker 1:That was like a. It reminded me like a speakeasy or something. Oh shit yeah, absolutely she grabs the gun like they're in, like a fridge or so yeah, Q goes up and like there's like a little door, like inside the door that pops open, and he goes. There's like people playing cards and drinking and shit.
Speaker 3:So what did my mom do, like that the cops and everybody leave her alone.
Speaker 1:Sweets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's her name Sweets. What did she do? She pays them off. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, like this lady had juice, because she's just sitting down to her own thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your mom had the juice. Dude, I was laughing so hard. No, because I looked over and I still remember that.
Speaker 3:like playing his day and they're cracking up, he was like dude, dude. It's like that lady looks just like your mom.
Speaker 1:But even now watching it, I like caught her right away. I'm like, yeah, this is so funny, but I mean, at least it's a cool character, like your mom's cool.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm going to start telling her, like, put those sunglasses on and stuff. Hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at least it's not some like some homeless lady or some, or a crazy lady feeding birds in the park, like this is. This is a arms dealer.
Speaker 1:Well, what would have been better Like I love, when you impersonate your mom if she talked like that. What do you mean?
Speaker 3:Like you know, when you talk like oh man, yeah, let me get that gun yeah. I want to take the gun kill.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my mom doesn't sound like that. That's how she sounds to me she in my mind.
Speaker 2:I remember how she sounded in high school, oh.
Speaker 3:Matthew oh Matthew, your friends aren't going out this late. That's crazy yeah. Mom, I'm leaving. Not without your keys. You're not.
Speaker 1:Take your keys away.
Speaker 3:So, anyway, what's going on with Quincy?
Speaker 2:Well, quincy is so afraid at this point that he tells you You'll, you'll, you'll you'll land that he knows the killer's identity.
Speaker 3:Man Quincy's a bitch. All that pillow talk. He's a dude, maybe you so fine, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2:I know who killed. I know who killed Keyleth's and everybody Raheem.
Speaker 1:He just let all that stress out.
Speaker 2:Radio.
Speaker 3:Raheem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, he's got done.
Speaker 3:That's the pillow talk, at least every time.
Speaker 1:I would say that's when you're your most honest, after you bust a nut. You know what I mean, dang, don't you think this?
Speaker 2:is a kid friendly podcast. You can't say things like bust a nut.
Speaker 3:Yeah, after, after, after the nuts busted, you get. You get those cozy worms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like, I got to tell you something here, Hold on, come here.
Speaker 2:See, I just, I just go out and have a cigarette and I'm good. I don't need to say shit, you don't need to talk, no, I'm good.
Speaker 3:Come here, baby, let me rub your hair and talk to you. You're just so beautiful. Yeah right. Well, fearful of disloyalty, bishop shoots Eric and begins to plant false stories about Quincy with the locals at the arcade Right, he gives the. He gives the news to trip because he knows trip. Trip tells the neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a second. That's exactly how it went down. You tell the main man in charge of any and all gossip at the biggest hangout in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1:That's where everybody's at yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh did you see the sign that he had on the paper plate on his window?
Speaker 1:No, what is that in trips place?
Speaker 3:It had Lucy's 25 cents.
Speaker 1:Oh nice, oh shit, and people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, people might not know what Lucy's are in radio world. They're still a thing.
Speaker 2:By the way, they still absolutely exist.
Speaker 3:You can buy Lucy's Shit yeah, and I thought I thought that was illegal, like by the big tobacco company, sure, whatever.
Speaker 2:By big tobacco. Any bodega in the world is selling Lucy's. I promise Lucy or Lucy's.
Speaker 3:Lucy's, lucy's, they are loose.
Speaker 1:Yes, Single cigarettes for our listeners.
Speaker 3:Eric survives bishop's attack and is whisked away to the hospital. So he was shot but magically he was a killer. He survived.
Speaker 2:And that's what? Well, well, yoyo, yoyo, yolanda works at the hospital. She was a nurse there. Yeah, sees, eric, and he, he spills it to her, right, he says it. What's his name is like Bishop is the? He shot me, he shot the other two, it's all Bishop, right?
Speaker 1:You know, what saved him Is that thick red, red and black lumberjack coat.
Speaker 3:I mean, that thing was the red and black lumberjack match.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm sure that absorbed a lot of the bullet plus his heaviness. He was a big boy. That layer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because, yeah, I was like the dude was that close to him and to shoot him like that, I was like, oh he's dead, but nah, he survived. Like you said, he had the thick jacket on and thick fat, the thick fat, he was like a whale.
Speaker 2:It was enough, unfortunately for Quincy, though. So Quincy's walking around just trying to avoid Bishop, trying to do whatever I guess he had. Yeah, so he split from Yolanda's house, yoyo, yolanda, when she had to go to work, he left, and then he arrives at the scene Like what's going on? Yeah, what's going on. And then everybody's just giving him the stink eye.
Speaker 3:Because the words are the words out out around town.
Speaker 2:That's trial trial by his peers before he was even found guilty.
Speaker 3:So Quincy learns from trip that Bishop has pinned all of the recent killings on him and plans to meet him and settle everything. Meanwhile, Eric, now in the emergency room, reveals to Yoyo Yolanda that Bishop is the actual killer. There it is.
Speaker 2:There it was. I jumped the gun on that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That's all right yeah.
Speaker 3:No, did you see the gun too that he bought for my mom?
Speaker 1:What kind of gun was it? It's?
Speaker 3:like a little twenty two. After yeah, it's like a twelve dollar gun. I'm still laughing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you see? Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you see the gun he bought from my mom? My mom, that's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like are you telling me that I called that back then in 92? What?
Speaker 3:do you mean it was?
Speaker 1:your mom Looked at your mom back then, or?
Speaker 3:That was actually my mom. I don't know why he made fun of me.
Speaker 1:No, I'm saying that. I called that back then.
Speaker 3:No, because it looked like my mom then and now.
Speaker 1:It definitely, but I didn't. I didn't remember that. I said it back then, but I guess your mom would have looked the same pretty much.
Speaker 3:Well, like a, like a Spanish, little Spanish woman arms dealer.
Speaker 1:Then, like that look with the glasses.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what? Yeah, because those were the big glasses in the early 90s. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, yeah, I didn't know, I don't remember that I said that, but that was a good one.
Speaker 2:So glad I caught. Yeah, I called that. That was so mad. Your mom was timeless your mom, gave Quincy that gun right. He didn't. She said no charge.
Speaker 3:No, no, yeah, it was no charge, because she knew his mom, that's right and she knew he was like a good kid. So something that he got the gun for was something that was.
Speaker 2:It's like if I'd have walked in, she'd have said oh look, I know Rita.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's like. Rita's a good woman. This is for you. Yeah, here.
Speaker 2:Since I know your mom Just throw it. Throw it in the river when you're done with it. Well, of course, which he does, yeah, so I found that to be quite, I don't know, like a slap, like he got he. She gave him this gun. Oh, my mom was definitely pissed, nothing, yeah.
Speaker 1:He just throws it in the river, didn't even use it, dang, you know, barry give it to somebody else.
Speaker 2:Hell, give it back, right, right.
Speaker 3:Sell it. He wanted money, so bad the first time around. Sell the gun.
Speaker 2:Don't throw it into goddamn river. That's a waste. How?
Speaker 3:many. How many guns do you think are actually in Many In, like the river? Many, I'm sure, a lot Like if they were just dredge in, like big cities or even around here. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean it's hundreds, if not thousands. Okay, sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and why the river? Like just because it, just because it's sitting wherever you threw it, like why don't they just go by like you?
Speaker 1:know well. Does it flow? Though? Might flow with the river and it's not going to flow, but it's going to get covered.
Speaker 4:It's going to get covered with sediment and shit. I got you. I got you.
Speaker 1:And who goes into the middle of the fucking river in a big city, I'd imagine that's the East River, and I heard that one's pretty dirty and stinky and whatever the one is that they swam in a Seinfeld, whatever that was, we had the mattress or East River, the Hudson, the Hudson. Yeah, it could be the Hudson too, yeah.
Speaker 3:One of those. I wouldn't swim in either of them.
Speaker 1:I have to ask Brooklyn Brian about that. Speaking of Brooklyn Brian, I told him we're doing this movie Now. He grew up in New York and Brooklyn and Yo, I like this movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Very nice movie.
Speaker 1:Well, he told me he was like he was at Bloomsburg University when this movie came out and they didn't have it anywhere up there, but he wanted to see it in the worst way.
Speaker 3:So he's a little older than us.
Speaker 1:He's yeah.
Speaker 3:Brian, 50 something, 54.
Speaker 1:He's probably like 52.
Speaker 3:Okay 51.
Speaker 1:Not much older, but he was in college at the time. They drove down here to Harrisburg, to the Point Mall.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ To see juice.
Speaker 1:It was either here or like Wilkes-Barre, I guess, from where he was at.
Speaker 3:This guy sounds all right yeah.
Speaker 1:He came down he said he saw it down here in Harrisburg, like because they weren't playing it in Bloomsburg anywhere. So yeah. Shout out to Brian.
Speaker 3:Quincy meets Bishop in the alley. After a chase they end up running into a house party where Quincy disarms Bishop. Right yeah.
Speaker 1:Cypress Hill.
Speaker 2:So what was that?
Speaker 3:What was that Cypress Hill track how I could just kill them in. Yeah, here is something you can't understand.
Speaker 1:I want to kill them in. Yeah, cypress Hill is funny. Like when they came out that was like their single. First single they came out yeah, and then their Cypress Hill. I think that was a. It was a self-titled album. They came out that same year when I first heard Cypress Hill and for years I figured they were an East Coast group, but they're actually from LA.
Speaker 2:That's surprising, because I too thought they were an East Coast group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like I just the whole vibe of the music and everything. I just always assumed they're from New York City, but they're not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, even like. Yeah, like the rhythms. Their beats are very, very East Coast Right.
Speaker 1:But I never forget too. Like my dad never really commented much on what I listened to, like he'd come down I'd have stuff playing in the basement my bedroom is in the basement, but I remember when I first got this how I could just kill a man the single. And I was playing and he's like what are you? What kind of music, why would you listen to? Something like saying I'm going to kill a man and this and that, and he was like all like bent out of shape and I'm like that'd be that it's like a song, like it's just a rap song. But he never really would ever say much about what I listened to. Or I mean the guy didn't really care much about what I would watch or listen to in general, but for some reason that song I remember him. I just vividly remember him saying why, why would you listen to a song like that? You know he was in a Motown and different stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's still pretty much like the same samples on a lot of stuff like Motown samples and.
Speaker 1:I remember like when I Like before I got my license and I would ride around with him, I'd put pop in a tape like Public Enemy or something.
Speaker 3:And he would like to beat the music.
Speaker 1:But like the rap he never really. I mean, he likes some of it, I guess, but he was all about like he would actually listen to the lyrics and the message and be like, well, you want to listen to that, Like you know, I don't know, I just always remember that song made me think about that, but that's the song that was on there. Now Cypress Hill had a different song on the actual soundtrack.
Speaker 2:Correct. So that's why I had asked, because I'd looked at the soundtrack listing and that song was not listed on the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:No, it's not.
Speaker 2:Which is a shame, because the one that was actually in the movie is that's. I mean, that's their masterpiece, it's a great track.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say it's probably their best song.
Speaker 3:Well, you say, like the House Party. They were at here. I remember being at House Parties like us growing up. Like I mean, cypress Hill was bumping in a lot, of, lot of places, sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that second album that they came out. What was all about? Weed smoke and all that. Black Sunday, I think it was called. Yep, yep. And it was just all around Like that's when you really found out they were all about the weed and all that stuff like that I don't drink beer because the bud makes me wiser. That's it, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, these guys got high all the time. Yep. So back in our story here. Quincy chases Bishop to a rooftop After a scuffle. Bishop falls from the rooftop, slipping out of Quincy's grip. The last scene we see, that of a flashback to our four friends, the wrecking crew.
Speaker 2:Yo, yo yo, you got the juice now, man.
Speaker 1:Yes, what he told him, that's right, mm, hmm.
Speaker 3:I don't know that he wanted it, though, but the wrecking crew, wasn't that a band, a group?
Speaker 1:The wrecking crew yeah. Wasn't the wrecking crew, a group I don't know, I don't, I don't remember a wrecking crew.
Speaker 2:It sounds familiar. There was the. Was it the new crew? New?
Speaker 3:crew crew crew crew crew crew crew crew.
Speaker 2:Crew crew crew blue dog. So the crew crew was actually a group of Jeopardy that was involved with Jeopardy. Oh, for real. Yeah, they went across the world Like if you see, like the if you're watching Jeopardy, sometimes they do a video and they show like a clip of somebody standing someplace and next to this volcano, the volcano next to the.
Speaker 2:Out of this, out of this volcano will spew this red hot liquid, and of course he has you know what is lava. So right, these, this clue crew, would go all around the world. They ended up going to all seven continents and had those videos for questions. Nice, fun fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't know about a wrecking crew. Did you find something on that?
Speaker 3:No, I can't. I can't get like. Do anybody got their phone on them? It's called something, something wrecking crew. I'm pretty sure it was like an 80s.
Speaker 2:I thought these guys were known in the movie as the wrecking crew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I thought there was a actual band or there is a musical band, the wrecking crew, but that that's nothing to do with no rapper.
Speaker 2:Rack crew was from the 80s looking at this picture. Yeah, that's from back in the 80s.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, it's 80s. Yeah, man, that's like John.
Speaker 2:Denver, it's John Denver, city by the Bay.
Speaker 1:It might be. I guess it's pretty much it for the story, so I guess it's time for the Fun facts oh.
Speaker 2:So we just saw the ending, or just heard about the ending, of this movie. Fun fact, fun fact in case you didn't know, oh, you didn't know, there was an alternate ending to this movie. Oh for real, oh for real, oh. Instead of slipping out of Quincy's hand, bishop had actually let go. So you know.
Speaker 2:I know that it's it's to get back to man. I'm in this this. You know this hard, fast lifestyle. I can't do it anymore. The cops are after me now like I killed these people. I know it's gonna come out that it was me.
Speaker 1:I quit and just let go. Just let go. Hmm, you actually don't see him. Die, just falls in darkness, though.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:Do we know for sure that he died? Could have landed on like a he's like Michael Myers, like that was saying Halloween exactly back for the sequel.
Speaker 3:No, how many how many movies have you seen like in New York that they fall and they land in like a dumpster, like full of like?
Speaker 1:a.
Speaker 3:Trash and stuff. Yeah, full of trash. Oh my god, Of course hey see that movies all the time.
Speaker 1:Jackie Chan does it like twice a movie At least mm-hmm, they just threw away a perfectly good, perfectly good white boy.
Speaker 2:It's a damn shit. It's a real shame when white folk be thrown away. A perfectly good white boy like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was that from better off, dad, correct.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, fun fact Omar Epps actually took classes and learned how to DJ and spin in real life. So most of the stuff that he was doing on the movie he was actually doing in real life.
Speaker 1:It was trying to mimic. Okay, that's pretty. Yeah, I mean, like I said, that friend that said they're like oh, some of that stuff was like not believable, I guess.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, they said that he he learned how to spin, he learned how to DJ.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe the one where you're talking is the only. There might have been like a couple scenes. I guess. That, like, if you're really studying it, like I said, if you know the craft, you're probably like that's bullshit, you can't do that whatever. But yeah, this soundtrack Was like phenomenal. So that's like talking about the fun facts. I mean, for me, like this is like the best part of the movie is all the music. So obviously we're talking about EPMD. Who who was in this?
Speaker 3:at the bar scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the bar scene but I was tripping off of all the. Now the EPMD album that I know there was, the main one was business as usual 1991. That was the one that came out right around time I started driving and all that. All their albums have business in the title. Strictly business, unfinished business, business as usual, business, never personal. Back in business, out of business we mean business and to be announced album called big business. Hmm, there's a lot of business a lot of business.
Speaker 3:Why mind your business?
Speaker 1:We talked about trash from Naughty by Nature being in this movie. That self-titled album came out September of 1991. So that was like this was coming out right as they were hitting like OPP I don't know if that was really on the chart yet or like a big hit. Special Ed obviously was already big in the rap world this time about to Pock, had to pocket lives. Now they came out November 12th in 1991. So it was great before this movie came out. I don't really know that I was like a big hit for him. That album was okay, like I was never really a huge to Pock fan, like music wise. On that album I like the one track, if my homies call it that's a good one.
Speaker 1:Outside of that, a couple of the ones that were like big hits, like like Dear mama or whatever and there's a lot of never and Brenda's got a baby and those was never like a really huge to Pock fan. But there was a track like I'm a obviously I love Wu Tang clan and there's a guy inspected deck from Wu Tang and he goes by an INS the rebel. You see this shirt, this is a Wu shirt. Is that Wu Tang? Yeah, nice. So do yourself a favor and look up on YouTube. It's a to Pock track called. Got my mind made up. It's off all eyes on me from 96. I go on YouTube and look up the original version with INS the rebel was on inspected deck to Pock actually had that cut from that track and a lot of people say because the guy did so Phenomenal on that track, he's like I can't have that on my album because the guy's like so much what they were.
Speaker 1:All eyes on me, yeah that album, but the song it's got my mind made up. Okay, I got to check that out.
Speaker 2:He cut out the good part because he thought it would outshine his own talent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he cut that off the end so he has red man on that track. I don't I remember math man, it was like two or three like people on that track. Some people say, oh, he cut it off because he ran out of you know one like a seven minute track. If you skip to the five minute part of that song on this original version, that's when his line kicks in. It is like an awesome verse. But those guys are very competitive with rap and I think it was like he felt threatened, dang like all these guys. They way better. One other thing I thought was a fun fact and we all know that to parking biggie Smalls or was that beef? Going back and forth they both ended up dying in this movie. To pop asked Bishop, or I'm sorry to pop ask you, are you ready to die? Mm-hmm, what I was the name of biggie Smalls debut album. You ready to die? You wonder if he took that from the movie.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe this whole thing has been a to apocalypse pretty much to apocalypse now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:What's it like? Uh, yeah, there's two pocket, a couple like big, big hits. But like I never was, like in the too many of his albums, yeah, like I said, I like I mean, I think it was talented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was never like a huge to pop fan. Like as far as like, I mean, I think he's good, I think he's talented and stuff like that. But as far as like rap goes, I was never like a huge to pop fan. After that to apocalypse now I never. I never bought any, is like that. One came out 95. I was kind of out of rap pretty much by then, like I wasn't really buying newer stuff. My error is like from like 87 to like 94. Yeah, 95 is like cutting it close and anything outside of that.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe I was thinking cutting crew, not wrecking crew.
Speaker 5:I'm pretty sure well there, uh yeah, the the kind of rock group.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's that one.
Speaker 3:Um, I just got like one fun fact about to pop. We were talking about him. He uh at many times like he would film a scene and just like walk off the set. And uh, huggy was a guy's name huggy Hoskins or huggy, uh, huggy, bear huggy bear. No, not huggy bear. What is Hoskins? The director, bob Hoskins.
Speaker 1:Bob Hoskins. No, it's Maritz.
Speaker 3:No, um, st Maritz, one of the one of the guys that was on on the set like. Dick Dickerson, eric Dickerson. Ernest Dickerson no no, um, the guy was named like huggy Hoskins or something like that. Hold on, let me Dirk diggler. No, that was another movie. Oh, germane, huggy hopkins. I'm sorry germane huggy hopkins. Uh two, pox Shakur would like just walk off some of the after scene. He would like walk, walk off the set.
Speaker 1:And just disappear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so to like be a jerk, I guess. Uh, he came back the one time and the guy told him he's like look man, you're done, you're fired, like they had enough for you doing this. So I guess he got in like a confrontation, like sort of fighting people on the set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got all pissed off. I didn't hear about that. This was originally made as a independent movie, but it was later about out by paramount. I mean, as it did, okay, 20 million. So I made 15 you couldn't sure. I can't really complain with that. Uh, Omar Epps. Like I said, he was 18 at the time. He was a senior in high school and I got some of their ages in this. Like I said, the girl from in vogue was uh, she said 24. She was 30 30 roughly.
Speaker 1:When they made this, omar Epps was 18 and Tupac would have been around 20. Omar Epps reminds me of coach Tomlin for the Steelers. I don't know if you notice that you look at him.
Speaker 2:I can see that. Yeah, I can definitely see that. Look at young coach Tomlin. Yeah, that jaw, it's definitely the jaw.
Speaker 1:Something about him reminds me of coach Tomlin Steelers fan, but I know officer Vince is by this and this because he loves 90s hip hop. I'm sure he likes his movie and I know he likes the Steelers wonder what he thinks about that. Yeah, he gets that Tomlin Comparison and uh, let me see one other fun fact here. Oh, okay, last thing, I'll just go through the uh track listing for the soundtrack.
Speaker 3:Which.
Speaker 1:I said is the most important. So you talked about uptown anthem was the naughty by nature. That was a good one.
Speaker 3:That was the that they played at the end right where I just remember the theater we waited like everybody's up dancing. It was very cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was good. Uh, juice. No, the ledge was Eric being rock.
Speaker 3:Let me see you know the ledge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love rock him. He's like one of my favorite for sure. Is it good to you, the teddy Riley? I like that was a scene when uh, I think after they hooked up the first time, q and his girl yeah. Sex money and murder mcpoo. I don't really remember that song much off this one. Nuff respect big daddy kane.
Speaker 3:I love that song. Enough respect. Like I said, it's the whole soundtrack was I listened to over and over and over again too short so you want to be a gangster.
Speaker 1:He was another west coast rapper, oakland based guy.
Speaker 3:He was. He was shorter than uh tom cruise yeah too short too short, was actually four foot one in the trunk.
Speaker 1:I remember I used to like that jam our boys epmd it's going down was on here. Aaron hall Salt and pepper. Peppa will say it was married to treach at one point or I don't know if they were technically married.
Speaker 2:But I think they lived together. They were definitely together living in sin.
Speaker 1:Yes shoot them up was the cypressill track that was on the actual soundtrack, but not. I think it might have played at one part and maybe like in the background.
Speaker 3:I think it was in uh trips place or something, when they were in their playing video games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a couple of these other tracks. I don't know a juvenile committee son of berserk raheem Does your man know about me? And then, uh, brand new heavies. And that brand new heavies. I kind of remember them having a song or two, but For me the standout tracks on here with up down anthem, the juice, know the ledge and uh, the nuff respect Like too short as well. But uh, yeah, it was definitely a good soundtrack and I think that made the movie for me as well. Then made me want to go see it. Definitely a good pig man, I mean, if something different than what we normally do. And it brought up that nostalgia for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're getting off some of our like uh, john hughes and and spielberg. It is definitely some of the whitest, whitest movies in america.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, this is not a john hughes movie in any way. But uh also noticed his homemade speaker in his room is a pile, oh woofer py py le yeah. I couldn't imagine having a speaker that big in an apartment like that, because he was living in an apartment, not happening neighbors would have been like flipping that wonder if you got that like a swap meat or something. I don't know. That was a nice system though. Yeah, definitely has some money in it, but uh yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that's it. I think that's that's the juice pretty much juice, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess this is the time where we late fee return or burn. Okay so I'll let you start off, matt, since it's your movie.
Speaker 3:Um, I would. I would return this movie, but again, like I keep saying the same thing, I would like, uh, continually watch it as much I don't know if I would pay extra for it, because I know it I'd like see it again someday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is one of them things again where at this time of my life I'm returning it Um back. When I first saw it I was definitely excited to probably watch it again, just to catch kmyos or different parts that I missed, or, you know, the music parts.
Speaker 3:I mean we saw it in the theater like it's purest form.
Speaker 1:Well, I definitely saw it in the theater when we went. We saw it. I definitely, I'm sure, rented it.
Speaker 1:When it came out on vhs and watched it again and I'm probably in the same boat at this point. I'm going to return it. I watch it, you know, a couple times before I take it back. I'm not burning it. I mean, like I said, I don't think it's the greatest movie, like all it's, it was like a masterpiece, but it's the nostalgia factor for me. And, uh, the kmyos in it, special ed and epmd and, and you know it was just cool, see all those guys. So I guess it's off to zap getting us later out.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't burn it. My I'm somewhere in between return and burn. Okay like I would begrudgingly return this With thinking about wanting to burn it.
Speaker 1:But I wouldn't burn it. It's not on that, it's not that bad.
Speaker 2:I just don't share the same nostalgia as you guys do, right? Not for nothing, I mean. I like this movie better when they called it boys no that's what I was gonna say, or straight out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 3:You brought up a good point about it's sharing similar plotlines to like boys in a hood, or but I think the early 90s, like the movies set in the cities and stuff like that, like more to like a black urban type younger Kid, like I think they were all kind of filmed, sure kind of like how we look at like a lot of the movies like you know, like the better off deads or 16 candles or something like that.
Speaker 2:It's all the same, it's very similar concept.
Speaker 3:It's all the same concept of just in different places using different people from different people's perspective.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's not like saying I liked the mummy better when they called it Indiana Jones, right, yeah, same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I think that for me like menace the society, Comparing the movies. So menace the society came out after this. I think menace the society is a better movie. Um then juice and boys in the hood. I haven't seen in a while but I remember liking that, but probably cuz ice cube and all that. I like ice cube but, um, I mean, I definitely like juice.
Speaker 1:I think menace the society held up better watching it because we did that recently, like within a year, but similar storylines, like you know a friend getting in trouble, you know, at a liquor store, convenience store, and then you're caught up in it and you know you remember? The same ads commercial.
Speaker 3:Head into the liquor store. You know what I'm looking for. It was saying I'd yeah was Snoop Dogg and uh and um ice cube speak speaking of the same.
Speaker 1:Did you guys an eye partake in malt liquor as a youngster? Yeah, did you did you, of course, and that would fuck you up.
Speaker 2:Do this time, do this and whatever you drink in Quantity of beer, whatever you were used to drinking in that and knowing that that would get you messed up, you had to cut that in half for 40s. You had to. That malt liquor got you real fucked up, crazy horse crazy horses. Yeah, old English, fun fact fun fact what used to be sold in glass bottles, old English now offers 40 ounce plastic bottles. I've seen that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, d Available at your local liquor store the one that was kind of a little tame was called 45. I could drink that and get away with it like crazy horse. I remember like really getting me sane eyes, old English they were all like stronger to me cold 45. I could drink like two of them Maybe.
Speaker 3:We didn't. I don't think we drink 40s like I did. I would know we would drink 40s, but I would like pour it out in a glass and put it in the refrigerator.
Speaker 1:Oh, for real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't like the warm shit at the bottom.
Speaker 1:I don't drink it real fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like the flavor whole concept to drink it quickly, to get real fucked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz I didn't like the taste. I mean, it's like shit.
Speaker 2:It does, it did and does. There was nothing good about cracking that. Oh man, that tastes so good with that he's big mouth.
Speaker 3:was there or happened?
Speaker 2:was that malt liquor?
Speaker 3:Yeah, hate them the words. They're pretty terrible. I like the little worse flavor.
Speaker 1:Now, to be fair, I didn't really acquire a taste for beer until much later. Like in my 20s, I would drink it just to get drunk. I wasn't like I was savoring all this. You know, tastes so good.
Speaker 2:There was no such thing as craft beers in those. No, no, they yeah.
Speaker 1:They were definitely people would say acquired taste. But yeah, the the malt liquor that shit would get you man.
Speaker 3:I think malt liquor was crafted in a bathtub.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the only craft to it. Fun fact, piccolo's yes number one nationwide 40 sales Colt, 45 sales for Harrisburg for years running. No, the nation, wow, the country of America damn I contributed to that, don't yingling.
Speaker 3:Have 40s now to.
Speaker 2:Don't, don't yingling cut.
Speaker 3:No yingling, they got 40s. Oh, for real.
Speaker 2:Yes, what yingling has 40s?
Speaker 3:Get the fuck out of here, go into, like I know they sell courts. No, no, start like. Drive a little bit up upstate you can buy 40s of yingling.
Speaker 2:I know you can buy courts not, the course, not that.
Speaker 3:What is that? 22 or 20? So court is 3232. Yeah, no, they have the 40, 40 ounce.
Speaker 1:That's wild dang. I didn't know that. I mean I've had a 40 in years, but I remember that was just kind of, there's no need for 40. I'm 40 over 40.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah did you ever hear that Edward? 40 hands where you would like?
Speaker 1:Have a bunch of you would duct tape 240s, so you had to finish them free, could do anything.
Speaker 2:We play that in college 40 hands. Yeah, nice, nice that's a lot of drinking and then by play. I mean you just there's no playing involved, right, right?
Speaker 3:like a commercial for it.
Speaker 2:I want to play 40 hands.
Speaker 3:But anyway, now like I thank you guys for doing this movie, like it just brings me back, I see it, I get some laughs. I dig the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:Like you said, nostalgia nostalgia, definitely for me too. Man, I appreciate it and, and zap, thanks for writing everything up for us. Thanks, and yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 2:So thanks for taking us through on this man I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:I honestly couldn't stomach taking us through this movie. Yes, so that now it's not that bad. It was not that bad.
Speaker 1:So this should be coming out in the new year. So you know we're back. Should be 2024 by now.
Speaker 2:So happy new year. Happy new year.
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