When we hear a story as chilling and complex as that of Gypsy Rose, it's hard not to be swept up by the sheer gravity of human emotion and the darker corners of the mind. Step into the Ol' Dirty Basement with us, where we unravel the twisted saga of a young woman's life, manipulated and constrained by her mother Dee Dee's deceitful ploys. From a childhood ensnared in lies to the grim murder plot that seized headlines, we dissect the convoluted partnership between Gypsy and her boyfriend Nicholas Godejohn. Meanwhile, we'll strike a chord of nostalgia and lighten the mood with memories of cassette tapes and the iconic "Long Cold Winter" album by Cinderella, drawing a stark yet poignant contrast against the backdrop of our true crime narrative.
The peculiarities of online dating, especially within specialized communities, have never been more starkly illustrated than in the digital courtship of Gypsy and Nicholas. We navigate the murky waters of their relationship, which bloomed in the unlikeliest of places, leading to a dire conclusion that left us grappling with the reality of love in the age of the internet. Delving into the machinations of Dee Dee Blancharde, we open the doors to a world where a mother's toxic influence poisons more than just a trusting mind but a life meant for so much more. Our conversation becomes a tapestry that intertwines the grim aftermath of Dee Dee's demise, set against the cyber curtain of modern romance.
As we emerge from the depths of this harrowing tale, we catch a glimpse of Gypsy Rose stepping into the light of freedom and an unexpected leap into social media stardom and marriage—contrasting sharply against Nicholas's continued incarceration. We're left pondering the elusive nature of justice and redemption. So, join us, and let's explore together how Gypsy's story unfolds beyond the constraints of her past, her rise to influencer status, and the intricacies of life after the bars. It's a journey through true crime, music memories, and the resilience of the human spirit that you won't want to miss.
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When we hear a story as chilling and complex as that of Gypsy Rose, it's hard not to be swept up by the sheer gravity of human emotion and the darker corners of the mind. Step into the Ol' Dirty Basement with us, where we unravel the twisted saga of a young woman's life, manipulated and constrained by her mother Dee Dee's deceitful ploys. From a childhood ensnared in lies to the grim murder plot that seized headlines, we dissect the convoluted partnership between Gypsy and her boyfriend Nicholas Godejohn. Meanwhile, we'll strike a chord of nostalgia and lighten the mood with memories of cassette tapes and the iconic "Long Cold Winter" album by Cinderella, drawing a stark yet poignant contrast against the backdrop of our true crime narrative.
The peculiarities of online dating, especially within specialized communities, have never been more starkly illustrated than in the digital courtship of Gypsy and Nicholas. We navigate the murky waters of their relationship, which bloomed in the unlikeliest of places, leading to a dire conclusion that left us grappling with the reality of love in the age of the internet. Delving into the machinations of Dee Dee Blancharde, we open the doors to a world where a mother's toxic influence poisons more than just a trusting mind but a life meant for so much more. Our conversation becomes a tapestry that intertwines the grim aftermath of Dee Dee's demise, set against the cyber curtain of modern romance.
As we emerge from the depths of this harrowing tale, we catch a glimpse of Gypsy Rose stepping into the light of freedom and an unexpected leap into social media stardom and marriage—contrasting sharply against Nicholas's continued incarceration. We're left pondering the elusive nature of justice and redemption. So, join us, and let's explore together how Gypsy's story unfolds beyond the constraints of her past, her rise to influencer status, and the intricacies of life after the bars. It's a journey through true crime, music memories, and the resilience of the human spirit that you won't want to miss.
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https://freesound.org/people/Sami_Hiltunen/sounds/527187/ Eerie intro music
https://freesound.org/people/jack126guy/sounds/361346/ Slot machine
https://freesound.org/people/Zott820/sounds/209578/ Cash register
https://freesound.org/people/Exchanger/sounds/415504/ Fun Facts Jingle
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Thanks for tuning in to the Old Dirty Basement on this week's episode. We're covering Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 2:Ah, this is such a sad story and the story of a troubled childhood, even into young adulthood.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll see how a young lady with disabilities in a second grade education and a person with an 82 IQ, how they try to get away with murder.
Speaker 1:Let's check it out. Yeah, we hope you're enjoying the podcast, speaking of which, if you are, leave that five star rating on Spotify. On Apple, you can leave us a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy the story of Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 4:This is the Old Dirty Basement home to debauchery, madness, murder and mayhem. A terror filled train ride deep into the depths of the devil's den with a little bit of humor history and copious consciousness.
Speaker 2:I'm your announcer shallow throat.
Speaker 4:Your hosts are Dave, matt and Zap. I love you, matthew McGunney, all right all right, all right.
Speaker 3:Hey, this is Dave, Matt and Zap, and welcome to the Old Dirty Basement.
Speaker 1:Where every week we cover a true crime murder or compelling story.
Speaker 3:So sit back, relax and comprehend. Hello, my friends, hello and welcome back to the Old Dirty Basement. I am Matt. With me, as always is Dave and Zap.
Speaker 1:What's going?
Speaker 2:on.
Speaker 3:I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 1:As always.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:For today's crazy adventure.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's crazy, you know. I'll just jump right in and thank you, matt, for bringing this one. This is a suggestion for Matt and we took it and ran with it. I had never heard of this one and, holy shit, what am I just blown out of my mind?
Speaker 3:It's not you can understand, like the one part of the story, but the just like how the stuff behind it, like when we get into it, there's a lot of layers to the cake. There are many layers.
Speaker 2:This is a big onion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is hot news right now, for sure. I do know, like Zap said, there's a lot of people not aware of it. I'm sure there's a lot of people that are aware of it, maybe searching for something about this.
Speaker 2:And those people may or may not include my 85 year old mother, but other than that, Was she aware of it?
Speaker 1:No, she doesn't know who. Oh, okay, no.
Speaker 2:She doesn't know. Gypsy Rose from Gypsy Road, from Gypsy Montana.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, but this is a good one for sure. Looking forward to it.
Speaker 3:I know a vintage album review. Gypsy Road was from the. I think that was either Night Songs or Long Cold Winter album.
Speaker 2:Indeed, it was Cinderella's Long Cold Winter album. Yes, a fan. So, if I'm not mistaken, gypsy Road was the lead single, their first single off of that album, long Cold Winter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember Night Songs. I got an eighth grade for our. I remember it was a purple album. I was very hyped to get it. I got it from my friend, Jenna, who I went to eighth grade with oh Jenna. Yeah she was my secret Santa and I remember to this day, like Keep it in the closet, yeah, hee, hee, hee. But she, she like.
Speaker 1:She got you a copy of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it was a fun thing. What format it was a tape.
Speaker 1:That was a cassette. It was a cassette tape. Nice, nice, nice. Cassettes are making a comeback too, just like vinyl.
Speaker 2:Night Songs. So if Matt please correct me if I'm wrong and I hope you listen to that cassette over and over and over again Was Nobody's Fool on that album?
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm no Fool, nobody's Fool. There you go. Nobody's Fool, which has since been.
Speaker 2:It's been covered by a few different bands, a few different artists and in fact, tom Kieffer has since come back to re-record that with the lead singer, who's a chick from. It's not Evanescence, it's.
Speaker 3:Oh, from the start with the P, maybe Pantera.
Speaker 2:No, it's like her last name has something to do with the name of the band. Maybe.
Speaker 1:It's not that band from around here, right?
Speaker 2:You could If we started Finger Box and we could find it.
Speaker 3:But anyway, yeah, that might be a mail bag item.
Speaker 2:It's a duet, it's a hail storm or something like that. It is. Is it really Hailstorm, hailstorm?
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're from like Lancaster or Central PA band, I think they're from around here yeah, are you serious?
Speaker 2:Yes, they are. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3:Hailstorm's from Central PA.
Speaker 2:Anyway, he did a duet with that. Tom Kieffer did a duet with that lead singer, chick and dude. It is awesome.
Speaker 3:Nice, just awesome, powerful. Yeah, we're just throwing in little vintage cinemas, vintage album, album review, stuff in there For the upcoming Vintage Album Review. Podcast.
Speaker 1:One other thing on that too. There's a cool Netflix documentary called Squaring the Circle. It's all about the guys back in the 60s that developed some of the most iconic album artwork Dark Side of the Moon, led Zeppelin, like.
Speaker 3:One, two, three, four Houses of the.
Speaker 2:Holy.
Speaker 1:Is it somebody's House of the Holy?
Speaker 2:Some of that Beatles stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did the. Actually it was.
Speaker 3:Yellow submarine.
Speaker 1:It wasn't the Beatles, but he did Wings, which was like a. Mccartney's wife project.
Speaker 2:That was all McCartney.
Speaker 1:Squaring the Circle on Netflix. Check that out.
Speaker 2:Not to be confused with the Squared Circle, which is what they call a wrestling ring. Oh really, or Vinny?
Speaker 1:Mack yeah listen here brother.
Speaker 2:Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1:Vinny Mack, who has since resigned his presidency.
Speaker 3:What's that? Get him in the Squared Circle, that's right.
Speaker 2:That was my bad macho man, that was good, thank you. I think I know a guy that sounds like that. I think all three of us know a guy that kind of sounds like that I think we do.
Speaker 1:You don't even know. Listen here.
Speaker 2:All right, okay, where we off the fucking tracks on that one, that's okay. That's right. That's exactly right. We're just getting warmed up, all right. So today, gypsy Rose Blanchard. Now a little bit about Gypsy Rose. She was born on July 29th 1991, in Golden Meadow, louisiana, to Rod Blanchard and his wife Claudine Dee Dee Blanchard. So at the time Dee Dee was 24. Rod was only 17. Yeah, rod Meadow at a bowling alley.
Speaker 1:For real, yes, what.
Speaker 3:Yeah, rod Meadow. At the bowling alley they had a you know a couple drinks and ended up back in Rod's car.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:That's fantastic, as you might not be surprised that marriage didn't last. They separated when Rod turned 18. He's 17. Dude, oh, he's only 17. Oh my God, kip Winger, it all comes back. It all comes back.
Speaker 3:Now, I don't know if you guys saw the. They have a documentary on this, but these, these folks are from Louisiana.
Speaker 1:Oh, the deep, the deep, oh my God the South.
Speaker 3:Like you, couldn't even like they needed. I had to put the words on the bottom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like what the hell did that guy just say it was like that coach from a water boy.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, exactly what he sounded like, oh my God, oh God, dude, I'm just, I'm sorry, like it's not funny, like it's not funny that this dude skipped out on his kid and his wife when he was 18. But I mean, this is the result of poor choice.
Speaker 3:Hey, rod tried, rod tried.
Speaker 2:He tried so from an early I'm sorry from as early as infancy, gypsy Rose was plagued with developmental issues. Like poor girl, she had sleep apnea as early as three months old. Could you imagine a baby that's that's got sleep apnea?
Speaker 1:I don't even know how you diagnosed that Never, never heard of that.
Speaker 2:I don't even know, muscular dystrophy, leukemia and asthma to name a few.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you say that, zap. I actually pulled up her list. I saw it on the on the internet here and it said her mom would put her, when they would go visit doctors, as having epilepsy, vision, impaired hearing, impaired gastro reflux, quadriplegia, which I would. Is that quadriplegic?
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. I think that's the name of a death leopard album. That's a good one.
Speaker 3:Muscular dystrophy, anemia, hypo ventilation, which she needed, her CPAP for asthma, allergies, mental retardation, leukemia, incontinence, lung disease and heart murmurs. God damn this poor girl, and that's what her mom would put when they would visit any any sort of doctors.
Speaker 2:Checking all those boxes off. So I wonder and that's the thing I wonder if she was the impetus to to have the checkbox system versus just having a blank sheet of paper Right right, I need another sheet, sir. Write down the ailments you have instead. Nah, fuck it, check the one, you don't the doctors was like uh, how many?
Speaker 3:oh, the doctors all say she got this Like okay, oh sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, indeed, Gypsy Rose was also alleged to have the mental capacity of a seven year old brought on by brain damage resulting from her being prematurely born. So I guess that that's on the list or makes the list.
Speaker 2:Well, if things couldn't get any worse Before, gypsy Rose was actually involved in a motorcycle accident at the age of seven, while riding on the back of the bike while her grandfather drove. Fortunately, doctors gave her a wheelchair for her to use. Gypsy Rose was removed from public school system as early as second grade, leaving her to be homeschooled by her dear mother, dee Dee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that riding on the back of a motorcycle like you never feel more vulnerable than when you're riding Like. You know what I mean. It's all because you're at, you have no control and there's no way to be like masculine on the back either when you're riding on the back. You know what I mean. You got to hold on.
Speaker 3:It's like a big thing in like other countries. See these guys on small motorbikes, like three guys sitting on the back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like a moped.
Speaker 2:Hugging on them Well, I think of a full metal jacket, like the guys riding around like Vietnam back in the 60s or 70s. I'm saying the locals.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:Where you see all that shit, or yeah, even now, to this day, yeah, it's mass transit.
Speaker 3:Or dumb and dumber and dumber. Yeah, it does look good.
Speaker 1:I'd face the other way. I think yeah.
Speaker 3:With your hands backwards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just look the other way yeah.
Speaker 2:So I know dudes who've ridden motorcycles for their entire lives, or you know kids that come up riding dirt bikes and they look when you start that and you have no fear, or you have much less fear than, let's say, mid 40s guys like us. Sure, no problem, you grow into it and that makes sense. There is no chance you're going to get me ever on a motorcycle, ever Not now. No, no, no, I'm good with four wheels. I'm good with four wheels.
Speaker 3:There's no turning back. You're going to get an accident on a motorcycle 100%.
Speaker 1:There was a brief time where I was contemplating getting a motorcycle after being married and, I think, right before kids.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm glad your wife talked you off the clip she did.
Speaker 1:I wanted one of those. It's a triumph.
Speaker 4:There was a dealer down in Heismire actually your hometown?
Speaker 1:Yeah, was that a triumph, dealer? Is that right?
Speaker 3:It's Kawasaki. Okay, it's a Coups, okay.
Speaker 2:So Kawasaki is in Oberlin or Bresler.
Speaker 3:Oberlin.
Speaker 2:it's Tri-C somewhere, Oberlin and Bresler Tri-C All the way to the East Mall.
Speaker 1:Soon to close this dealership was right on the main drag in Heismire. I think it was a triumph dealer, Sure, but yeah, I've always heard that guys that ride say it's not if you're going to fall off, it's wind or whatever. You know those type things.
Speaker 3:That's where I bought my Ducati at Kawasaki.
Speaker 1:Oh, did you yes.
Speaker 3:Nice, and then I wrecked it.
Speaker 1:You had Kawasaki.
Speaker 3:No, ducati, ducati.
Speaker 1:Ducati.
Speaker 3:And that's Italian accident for a fast accident.
Speaker 1:Grazie.
Speaker 3:Definitely soon to happen. Buona sera what that's Italian for a buona sera.
Speaker 2:Good something.
Speaker 3:Prego.
Speaker 2:Spaghetti sauce? Yes, all right. Well, as time wore on and unable to make ends meet, gypsy Rose and her mother moved in with Didi's father and stepmother. Not long after, gypsy Rose and her mother relocated to Sly Dell, just outside of New Orleans, until Hurricane Katrina forced the two to relocate to Aurora, missouri. To brace Gypsy Rose for the inevitable, her mother regularly shaved Gypsy Rose's head, as the medications she was taking would ultimately make her hair fall out anyway. Years passed and Gypsy Rose found her way to the internet. In 2012, now in her very early 20s, she met a young man from Wisconsin named Nicholas Godajon through a Christian singles website. It's like Tinder for Christians. You know they have a. There's a Farmers Only website or something, something.
Speaker 1:Oh, farmersonlycom yeah.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Like, if you want to bang other farmers, that's where you go For farmers only. I mean serious it's a thing Like there's the I mean there's countless numbers of them. There's plenty of fish in the sea or some shit like like for people in their silvers right. So they're like retirees.
Speaker 1:Well, there's for, like the Jewish community, they have J-Date, I think it's called like J-Date. I remember on Stern they would talk about stuff like there's always for certain groups or whatever they have like different dating sites and stuff. So Christian Mingle like is that the one you said right here? Yeah, it was called Christian or I don't know if this one was Christian Mingle, but that is one yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I was. Yes, I'm sorry it was. I thought you said single. Yeah, it is a Christian Singles website.
Speaker 1:Christian Singles okay.
Speaker 2:You say J-Date. So, friend of a friend, both lived in DC at the time. The one guy moved to Virginia. The guy that stayed in DC ended up moving away from DC, moved out of DC. He's an attorney. He moved out to the West Coast. He's a patent lawyer. One of his. One of the impetus for him leaving DC, he had dated every available and decent woman on J-Date in the DC area.
Speaker 1:He exhausted it.
Speaker 2:I guess he exhausted it. I guess so. Or maybe he just had high standards. Maybe Could be no no, no, that's crazy though Preests just have altar boys.
Speaker 1:Oh wait a minute. Too soon, too soon, too soon, yeah right.
Speaker 2:Too soon, so Nicholas go to John, all right.
Speaker 3:So, despite oh yeah, Go on about this guy.
Speaker 2:Well let's go to John.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go to John.
Speaker 2:Let's go to John All right, despite Nicholas having an IQ of 82. Is that?
Speaker 1:good, that's no, that's two digits.
Speaker 3:I don't know you were always open for three digits 160, 180, 160.
Speaker 2:If you recall Forrest Gump the one school when Forrest Gump is in grade school and or trying to get into grade school the principal of the school, right before he bangs Forrest's mom, says your kids like right about here, which was below the acceptable level. Yeah, you're in the double digits there.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is not good.
Speaker 2:No, so it's not a good double D.
Speaker 1:This isn't like a grade, like 82, you know too, bad.
Speaker 3:Out of 100, sure, yeah, it's like a B in it, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so despite this, cat Be dumb, be dumb.
Speaker 2:Right. So the history of mental illness, including something we've discovered or something we've covered dissociative identity disorder, along with autism. Despite all of that, gypsy Rose fell for this guy. The long distance relationship blossomed and the two developed a plan for them to meet wink wink, which would simultaneously afford Nicholas the opportunity to meet Gypsy Rose's mother. In March 2015, while at a showing of Cinderella, the two finally met in person with Nicholas having traveled nearly 600 miles from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, cinderella was still torn at this time.
Speaker 2:Oh, the band.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They were it was the oh yeah, hey, it was the best of. It was the best of tour but all the hits you guys were saying where Gypsy Rose and her mom, like during this time her mom was using her, like she was getting like make a wish, foundation stuff. They were getting trips to Disney.
Speaker 2:All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3:Their home was built by Habitat for Humanity, which is nice.
Speaker 2:I mean this poor girl's, like you know, going through it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she's such a sweet girl and like people are coming to like you know, see her, and stuff like that, and they're saying her mom would always be holding her hand and if she would get like these things, like maybe get up or get excited, her mom would squeeze her hand to like let her know, like no, you're sitting down.
Speaker 3:No, you're doing this. You're acting like this. You're going to be the way that your mom's telling you to do because we need this money Not telling her that, intentionally or actively telling her that, but letting her know the signs that you're in this wheelchair. You're slow. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, keep it. You know, calm yourself down here. You know you're a sick young girl here.
Speaker 3:You can't get too excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're giving off the wrong impression here.
Speaker 3:And this go to John dude man.
Speaker 1:It's like 600 miles he went 600 miles to see that ass.
Speaker 3:That's the good wet wet. She must have had the good wet wet, but anyone can get late in America, man.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you Late in America.
Speaker 3:IQ of 82.
Speaker 2:Look, this is simple, man there's a pot for every lid. Wait, no, there's a lid for every pot.
Speaker 1:So these two were going at it online like back and forth and she had little like names she would come up with like alter egos for herself.
Speaker 3:I guess that kind of like little Miss Kitty and Kitty and Ruby.
Speaker 1:And she was posting stuff like and this sounds like a story and this sounds like a Slayer lyric to me, but I live and breathe to serve my master. She'd put that on like, on, like Facebook, like social media. And she's talking about this guy.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, this, this what's go to John right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this go to John guy go to John.
Speaker 3:I think he well I don't think he was posting stuff to her too that he was into BDSM and like are you going to be a good?
Speaker 4:like I thought it was a boy band, like when I was like yeah, bdsm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're from Korea.
Speaker 1:I think that's correct. K-pop, K-pop.
Speaker 3:I guess it is. It means like bondage, discipline, uh, sadist, dominant, sadism type thing, so it's like a whole thing and he would send her, like um pornographic pictures of like the beast and like beauty like in, like, negligee, or like or like Belle, with like a little short, short skirt on. He's like you know, you need to listen to me and I guess uh.
Speaker 2:And the beast with hot, throbbing carnal urges.
Speaker 3:Exactly. But I guess Gypsy Rose is like well, I was always been taught that the man is dominant, so like, whatever he wanted, she would just go. Yeah, I would do.
Speaker 1:Right. So this guy submissive stuff.
Speaker 3:And even had other girlfriends, like, I guess, the ex-girlfriend called Gypsy.
Speaker 1:Rose, this guy had other girlfriends.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wow, and he oh hell.
Speaker 2:no, who's that man?
Speaker 3:She's like what are you talking to my man for? Well, I didn't know about that, let's go to John man. John, he's got me viciously. Let me smell your dick when you been. That's what I'm saying. This dude was like like a pimp man. 82. Christian Mingles where's that?
Speaker 2:Christian Mingle giving him the tingle Iq of 82. He'll come to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, god damn, go to John you got to get that guy directions, though it's gonna be hard from the phone, damn 82.
Speaker 2:I think of. I think of Cleetus, the slack jawed yokel from the Simpsons.
Speaker 3:That's just the. His might even been hired. That might have been like a 90 something.
Speaker 2:I saw a picture of this guy. Oh, I did too. I've got to call him he's. I know him as Cleetus. Despite her frailties and disabilities, gypsy Rose was ready to move on with her life and start a new one with Nicholas. Dee Dee, the ever consummate caretaker of Gypsy Rose, would be an obstacle for Gypsy Rose to overcome, as surely mother knows best. Well, as far as Gypsy Rose was concerned, however, dee Dee stood in the way of her becoming her own person. Not long after their meeting at the movies, gypsy Rose and Nicholas hatched a plan to murder poor Dee Dee. A few months later, the plan came to fruition In June 2015,. Nicholas returned to Missouri with one goal Kill Dee Dee and start a life with Gypsy Rose. And within a few days of arriving, nicholas arrived at Gypsy Rose's house one night and murder Dee Dee in her sleep by stabbing her in the back 17 times while she slept One more time 17.
Speaker 2:17. Kip Wenger Wenger right.
Speaker 1:Man, it's 17 is the magic over. It always comes back.
Speaker 2:Nicholas and Gypsy Rose took whatever cash they could find laid low for a few days at a local motel, then hightailed it to Nicholas's place in Wisconsin Damn.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that was a seedy motel.
Speaker 3:Now, dave, you were saying about how, gypsy Rose, she met her boo at the movies, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that was Cinderella the movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, Cinderella the movie, not the band. No, they were not at the show, but and I guess she was.
Speaker 3:She was very turned on by this guy and wanted to meet him in the bathroom. Did you hear anything about that? I did hear about it.
Speaker 2:I have heard of these allegations as well. Shame on that kid.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, Dave. Go ahead with what's that? What do you know about this story?
Speaker 1:Well, I guess, like she knew her mother wouldn't approve of her having a relationship with anybody. So, you know, they made up, concocted this plan to meet at the movie theater and kind of act like they just kind of ran into each other there. The mother was like what grown man comes to see Cinderella? You know what I mean by himself. She was very suspicious, sure.
Speaker 2:That's what she should be.
Speaker 1:And then she said, I guess, allegedly at one point Gypsy Rose got up and said I got to use the bathroom, went into the bathroom and he shortly I guess, followed behind and some some love and went on.
Speaker 2:It's in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:That's what allegedly happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the men's room and, like you said. You said Gypsy Rose gets up, so didn't she have to wheel herself out there.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking about that too Like yeah, I don't know about that, you know what they didn't say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they didn't say that. So she's with her mom at the movie theater. I'm sure she had to wheel up and out towards the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Maybe she wheeled out and then he took it from there. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Those handicapped stalls have?
Speaker 3:Yeah they're very large.
Speaker 2:And they are large, so you can get some wild ass, freaky, deaky time on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she could have wheeled herself out there. I don't know how she got out there, but he was supposedly with her.
Speaker 2:Like Abraham was with Sarah. Yeah, biblical, that's a biblical, yeah, biblical reference.
Speaker 1:And at this time she's in her 20s right 20.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's 2015. She was born in 1991. So she's pushing 24.
Speaker 1:24s An adult.
Speaker 3:So she's an adult but that's the whole reason that she, with Carb and carnal urges this plan was to just get. She wanted to get laid, like she told him I want to have sex. I don't care where we're going to do it. The movies the kids like how are we going to do it? The movie I mean 82 IQ. So, it's like how can we do that at the movies? I don't understand.
Speaker 2:She was like bring a bathroom to you, idiot. She was like there's a bathroom. I'm not saying we got to do it in the theater.
Speaker 3:You can step out of the theater.
Speaker 2:And I'm sure they were so worked up and wet wet.
Speaker 1:It didn't take long for exciting things to happen Just finished, you know he don't know about the hole in the popcorn trick. No, he didn't ask to young it's, it's again.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that we had this history together. Thank you, matt, for the hole in the popcorn trick when we were kids.
Speaker 4:Uh, to be clear, telling me about the hole in the popcorn trick, I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Absolutely specific.
Speaker 2:What movie was that for telling me about the hole in the popcorn trick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little handy dandy.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, don't forget the candy.
Speaker 1:You got to dump out some of the popcorn depending on who you are. Yeah, I can go full.
Speaker 3:No, and again this, this, this go to John Kat too, Like he was being questioned and they were asking him. I guess he said to Gypsy Rose that he wanted to do her mom or have sex with her mom when he killed her. Yeah, I did hear that they questioned him like did you touch her with your penis? Did you do anything to her? Did you have sex with her when, when she was dead? Are you into that? He's like, I'm not really into that too much Necrophilia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, necrophilia and they even questioned him about that and he was like no, I didn't, I didn't do it, I didn't do it. But after he killed her he went into the room where Gypsy was, got her up and then they had sex. Yeah, they did have sex.
Speaker 1:And then she like she was supposedly, when this was all going on, in the bathroom on the floor covering her ears. And and just kind of as like he. She made sure everything was unlocked and that he could come in and and.
Speaker 3:He's not through the bathroom, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think she unlocked a door for him to come in and then she ran in the bathroom, covered her ears, sat on the floor but the mother was screaming for her name. Like to help, like any, you know screaming and yelling.
Speaker 2:So I had heard a different. I understand what you're saying, but I think I heard that a bit differently and by her, to be clear, I had read that Gypsy Rose in her statement had said that what's his go go to John. What a great name.
Speaker 4:Go to jail. That go to John.
Speaker 2:That go to John actually raped her and or was was forcibly having a non consensual, you know sex with her? And while that was going on, she was screaming for her mother, for her dead ass mother.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Like no, I don't want it. It was so good at the theater. No, I don't want it.
Speaker 3:I don't want it, help me. Oh, mama, you're dead. But I think that's what they were like into the, the non consensual thing, sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So could be role playing role playing.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine is in the or was at one point in the Tinder world. So, from what I gather, so I use Tinder as the, as the for example for for this. And these two, 600 miles apart, this girl's in a wheelchair doing whatever she's doing you know all of her afflictions and old, 82 IQ, go to. John Nicholas is out there, you know, doing his thing. So it's it's basically phone sex back and forth. It's exchanging text messages, exchanging emails, getting each other all worked up, worked up. So I I relay that or relay that, I associate that with the Tinder thing. So, according to my one buddy, he'd said by the time you meet somebody face to face on Tinder or whatever, there is a 100% chance you're having sex with them. It's a done deal.
Speaker 1:It is done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a done deal, it is going to happen. Yeah, because you've done all the pregame already. Everybody's all hot and bothered. Yeah, you do all that via text pictures you know that type stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was pretty much the whole relationship, yep.
Speaker 2:And so, as Matt had aptly pointed out, imaginations start going wild. An old BDSM K-pop medieval on her ass. Nicholas Godajon is just out there. Who knows what he's thinking? He's just you know, oh my god man. I bet she could wear like a suit of armor while I'm doing whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were in the role playing and the dominance.
Speaker 2:All kind of weird funky shit yeah.
Speaker 3:If you're into that out there, yeah, if you're into that, that's cool.
Speaker 2:We're not, no, no, I want to pin that, for I'm going to pin that role play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, role play, OK.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I can't forget that one, all right. So days went by and despite neighbors' efforts to contact Dee Dee, there was no response. No return calls, no answers at the door to the house no, nothing. The police were soon contacted and ultimately made their way into the house. There they found Dee Dee dead as fried chicken.
Speaker 2:Justice concerning, however, was the finding of Gypsy Rose's wheelchairs, oxygen tanks, feeding tubes and medications, but no sign of Gypsy Rose. How could she survive? Authorities and townsfolk feared the worst, that Gypsy Rose had been kidnapped. It was thanks to a neighbor, aliyah Woodmanzie, that police were put on the right track. As it turns out, gypsy Rose had confided in Aliyah about her relationship with Nicholas. Police did some digging and found that certain Facebook status updates posted to Dee Dee's account had originated from Wisconsin, made to appear as though they were Dee Dee's posts. Nicholas's house in Wisconsin was raided soon thereafter and therein Nicholas and Gypsy Rose surrendered to the authorities. Despite Missouri locals being relieved to hear that Gypsy Rose was found safe and sound, that Gypsy Rose they knew turned out to be someone completely different from reality. Gypsy Rose hadn't been confined to a wheelchair. She didn't need medical equipment or medications. In fact, she had no debilitating conditions whatsoever. It's a miracle. It's a miracle. Christian mingles, christian singles, christian miracles it happens. Miracles can happen. Miracles do come true. Wait no, dreams do come true.
Speaker 1:Yes, so maybe the house is making her sick.
Speaker 2:Maybe Mold issues.
Speaker 3:Maybe Could be, and, like you said, a miracle the house. Yeah, it's very strange. It's shocking to me. I feel shocked or confused Again. These two were so naive that they had all the evidence of everything on text messages, instant messenger direct messenger, facebook, youtube, like it's like giving your cell phone number to the guy at Christie's auction house.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean, this guy is in 82. So I don't, you know, I wouldn't expect, like you know, a great heister. Like you know what I mean, Like you want to level what you see in movies or anything like that.
Speaker 2:No, you know it's probably gonna be that thought out. They didn't plan this very well.
Speaker 3:It'd be cool if you had like a shirt like 82, like vintage. That's cool, Like what's that? Like my IQ.
Speaker 1:Vintage IQ review. That's fantastic, but this.
Speaker 3:I thought you were born then. No, that's fine, that's fine IQ.
Speaker 1:Vintage. Yeah, but this, when they actually did, the neighbors were like you do a wellness check and all that. So the one neighbor, I guess, or a person involved, which makes sense, cause, if you saw, Diddy that's a huge bitch. Yeah, she's not the healthiest. So they actually went along with the police and the police are like we can't really go in the house, but you can Like they don't have a warrant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they let her go through the window.
Speaker 1:And it was a girl, a guy I guess went through the window and went in and was like I don't see anything, you know, but that stuff was laying around Within that timeframe of the person going in the house. I guess that the paperwork came through or whatever, and they got the call yeah, you can go in now. And then the police went in and found the Storm, the castle. Right and found her dead body, and all that.
Speaker 2:I had read that one of those stabs was in the neck and it was so vicious it almost decapitated her.
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:That's brutal. That's a tick one yeah.
Speaker 4:This Nick was saying Nicholas go to John Big dick, nick Big dick.
Speaker 3:Nick. He was stating that he was telling Gypsy Rose that that was his evil side. He had an evil side and he was able to do it because he loved her so much. She was begging him to do it. So he was like I'm going to go through with it for you. And yeah, the way, the way too, when the authorities came in and they said like yeah, they saw the wheelchair, Like this girl can't do anything by herself. Yeah right, she must have been kidnapped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where the hell is this girl?
Speaker 3:She's holding her hostage because they were in the spotlight kind of in that community because of everybody helping them. They always had like a fund, me's and this and that.
Speaker 2:Living in that habitat for humanity house you mentioned.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had to like move that bus, yeah, like that total home.
Speaker 1:They go over.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had like people moving shit for them.
Speaker 1:Move that bus. Yeah, he was going online. Oh my God, that's funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were just talking about it and man I had a thought, but now it's gone.
Speaker 4:Oh well, it'll come back A fleeting thought.
Speaker 2:Yes, Matt, curious. You seem to be in the know about this. You seem to be questioning motives as we're going here. What do you know about? What do you know that we don't about? Old Gypsy Rose?
Speaker 3:Well, I think she had a pretty tough childhood. I mean, with all the things that she had, all of her, what are those afflictions that they would call her?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:What if she really didn't have them? What if they were, like being forced upon her?
Speaker 2:Is that possible? I think so Is it? I don't know, I mean does it.
Speaker 3:Tell us, that is a thing right, I think it is. I think it's called Munchausen by proxy.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Anybody hear?
Speaker 2:of that Anyone? Well, Matt, as it turns out, Dee Dee wasn't exactly the saintly and caring mother She'd led everyone to believe she was. Oh my no, that sleep apnea we talked about as early as three months old, the muscular dystrophy, leukemia, asthma, everything else you listed relative to her developmental disabilities All of that was made up. The wheelchair that resulted from the motorcycle accident that was Dee Dee's doing, Taking Gypsy Rose out of the public school system and ultimately not schooling her at all, was actually an attempt at isolating Gypsy Rose from the outside world.
Speaker 3:You know when you say that, zap, for that point. There she had a second grade education. She was never really homeschooled or anything like that.
Speaker 2:It stopped, that's right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she would just hang out with her mom, hang out with other people Watch TV.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's how she learned.
Speaker 2:So there is actually a fun fact. I'll pull it out now, since we're talking about it, and that'll be the only thing pulling out today, because go to John's. So it wasn't.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:Gypsy Rose learned how to read on her own by reading the Harry Potter books.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she would watch the movies and see that and then go back to read the books and, oh OK, this is how I can put these words together, put the words together and figure out what they mean, and everything else I got.
Speaker 3:I wonder if she called Hermione Hermione? Yeah, I would, yeah. What do you think of those words? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'd be hard to figure out. That's interesting, though. Harry Potter, yeah, of all books to start with, if you want to learn to read, so it's a child, it's definitely a.
Speaker 3:It's probably fun for her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first book of the series is a kid's book. Right, it's meant to read as you go Like to be a kid at that age. Let's say you know, harry Potter goes in when he's 12 years old or whatever.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:So to be a kid at 12 years old and reading that book, and then the next one comes out, and then the next one. You're actually growing up as Harry Potter is growing up. Fun fact Dee Dee habitually poisoned her stepmother by feeding her round up over the course of time.
Speaker 1:That's fucked up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now her, her parents, like they showed the dad and the stepmom in the in that documentary, and the dad was like they were like what do you think of your daughter? And he, he was kind of like show, well, no, we're really nice. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:And the lady was like what, not English, please? Yeah, but then like his, his step, his, well, his wife, dee Dee, stepmom, correct Like she was just saying how she was always stealing from people taking their money, like she was just a bad seed Writing bad checks yes, writing bad checks, like just doing all kinds of bad shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She wasn't a good person.
Speaker 2:So it's amazing that Dee Dee shows up and all of a sudden, you know, her stepmother gets, you know, falls ill. It's like day after day after day, this woman just stays ill. Dee Dee leaves. She magically, you know, pops back to life.
Speaker 1:Gets better she gets better Round up.
Speaker 2:God damn, that's rough. Oh yeah, following that up. So, after regular applications of anesthetics to Gypsy Rose's mouth in order to create a fabricated drooling problem, dee Dee had some of Gypsy Rose's salivary glands removed, ultimately causing Gypsy Rose's teeth to rot away.
Speaker 1:It was like or a gel or something like that. But yeah, yeah, one of them, ones that.
Speaker 2:I mean, go to the dentist and they put stuff in your mouth to numb it if they're drilling a cavity or doing or whatever, and it just makes your mouth drool and run.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:It's messed up. Man. Visit after visit, Varying doctors would conclude that there was nothing at all wrong with Gypsy Rose and when that happened, Dee Dee would simply stop seeing those doctors. She just move on to a different doctor.
Speaker 3:And it's crazy. They were saying how did she get away with this for so long? And that's what she would do. She would just go to these different doctors. A doctor's not seeing the stuff that's put down, thinking that you got these from other doctors saying this is what's wrong. This is a new patient that we have. We're going to try to take care of them as much as possible. She even had feeding tubes and there was never any reason for her to have that.
Speaker 2:They're just dangling tubes out of her body.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're just cutting her in places and stuff because the mom's saying, well, she needs a new feeding tube, so they would just pop one out, put another one back in.
Speaker 1:One thing that played a big part in this, too, was the Hurricane Katrina. She was able to say a lot of the records were gone, they got washed away, when they would ask well, no, we lost them on the flood, lost it in the flood.
Speaker 3:And Dee Dee. I think she was so used in her life to making side hustles. She used Gypsy Rose, she used her daughter as the biggest side hustle 100%.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 3:She didn't have to work because she has to take care of her daughter. People would see her with the GoFundMe's, anything Like I need to take my daughter to Disney. Can anybody help us? Oh, here's a trip.
Speaker 2:Make a wish stuff. Yes, everything that's in addition to the government benefits.
Speaker 3:Yes, the government checks Child support that she was collecting, true, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:She was getting, I think, 12 or 1,600 a month from old Rod's Roadhouse, from Rod Blanchard, that's right.
Speaker 3:If anybody's been to Rod's Roadhouse, you'll understand.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You know what it's funny? They keep getting older. I stay the same age. That's good man.
Speaker 3:Old Rod's. I went in there one time saw my dad.
Speaker 1:We were there together two generations.
Speaker 3:No, it was just out of.
Speaker 2:Hey man, let's double team this one.
Speaker 3:Hey man, what's up man?
Speaker 1:What you doing here man Give me the keys.
Speaker 3:George, what you doing, bro, dang Keep it in your pants. No, my parents weren't together at the time, dad. No it was funny.
Speaker 2:Do you have gel in your hair, Dad?
Speaker 3:is that you? Is that moose? Are you wearing sunglasses? Man, that's a hell of a part you're sporting today, I know, is that?
Speaker 2:a wig. Oh, back on the topic of doctors. There was actually a doctor I had read. There was a doctor that had looked, given Gypsy Rose the once over and then the twice over, and then the thrice over, and found, as every other doctor, nothing wrong with this kid as it was coming as she was growing up. He actually was, I mean, he was threatening what's her name? The deity that. Look, man, I'm going to call the state or I'm going to call child services or something. You're doing a really messed up thing here. I forget how she came back and I don't want to say blackmailed him, but she had convinced him that no, no, no, or she might have just skipped town.
Speaker 3:I think I read about that too. It was something on how you look something up and it has tons of things that pop up. Sure, yeah, I think it was saying the doctor actually wrote down like I believe it's a Munchausen syndrome or what I said Like he was writing down about that and he was going to turn it in. But I guess they can't do that if there's no signs of what's that called Abuse. Yeah, there was no signs of direct abuse, Like he was saying. Maybe she thinks she has these problems.
Speaker 3:That's an accusation, maybe that if you're not 100% Like what are those laws that you can't state something to other? Hippo, like a hippo type thing? Yeah, like he couldn't share that information and what he thought, because it could have been like another doctor may have just diagnosed her as something and he can't go against. Do you know what I mean? Like he's calling out somebody's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's other doctors.
Speaker 3:He's like screwing over because they just gave her medication for leukemia, or like this girl has been on medication since she was like what? Six months older, a year or some shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you would think that that would open up a lot of Pandora's box Liability like, oh, you were treating this kid. They didn't he treated.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then that's what I think, yeah, it was one of those I don't know doctor type things where you couldn't like step on another doctor's toes on something. But this was just what he was saying. I see it Like I can't find what this lady's telling me.
Speaker 2:Man, that's real fucked up.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:Well, as Gypsy Rose grew up, her mother kept a tight leash on her. We talked about this earlier. If ever they were out and Gypsy Rose would allude in any way, there was nothing wrong with her Dee Dee would be swift to punish her when they returned home. So this is after the hand clenching. If she felt her hand clench, she knew she was going to get a paddling when she got home.
Speaker 3:Yeah, her mom would make a list of stuff like how she would act when she would beat her with a hanger if something happened that day. Or she made a list of certain hits that she would get smacks Yep, She'd get tied to the bed, yeah.
Speaker 1:She did try to run away one time, indeed when she was older.
Speaker 2:That actually had to do with the thing I pinned earlier about the fantasy or the comic con. I think she was going to comic cons or fantasy whatever, like Star Trek, the equivalent of a Star Trek convention back in my day, since 2001, I think, like she was going for a good decade. She would get into cosplay, all of that shit, and then at one point I mean, unless I'm mistaken, at one point during that tenure of going to those, and it was maybe again the very early 2010s she basically escaped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the story I heard. She ended up at a neighbor's door and was like Was it a neighbor's door or some other dude's hotel? It was the one I heard was like at a neighbor's door and they were like what are you doing? How are you walking Right and took her back home.
Speaker 3:It's a miracle. Let me talk you back up. It's a miracle.
Speaker 1:Because it was somebody that knew her as being in the wheelchair and wheelchair bound and stuff. So there were just going back to what you were saying about the doctors and chances where this product could have been ended earlier that was another time where it was like if somebody would have stepped up and said something.
Speaker 3:How did this go on for so long, yeah?
Speaker 1:It was amazing to me.
Speaker 2:And there it is. I mean, with that walking I mean gypsy, or the wheelchair gypsy Rose had never been sick and she had always been able to walk. Her mother had simply made her pretend by this point, made her pretend otherwise under threat of physical abuse. So it's like, as she's a kid, she's just led to believe it. But I mean, as Matt has said and we've all said a dozen times by now, like this miracle, I'm sure at some point in her early teens, maybe even before, she realized holy shit, I don't need this wheelchair, I don't need this walker. What does my mom do to me?
Speaker 3:Why does she have to take a dump really late at night or shit? Yeah, she's like holy shit, I just made it here, no problem. Well, how does it?
Speaker 2:how does one's butthole know that it's so close to a toilet? But you know, like as soon as you get there, it's like oh my God, it's ready to go.
Speaker 3:Like now, now, now now We'll think about it. You've been going to the bathroom since you were like what, two or three, what When's? Like potty training too, Something like that. So I think I think your body just knows, you're like just saying reaction.
Speaker 1:you know your dick gets hard when you're near certain thing.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's just a body reacts.
Speaker 3:I thought you were going to say when you got a poop, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:Damn you. Better not piss when it happens.
Speaker 2:You're just wearing that from old Nikki, go to John.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't want to have that happen. When you're taking a shit, though, no, but imagine. No, that's not good. Imagine yourself.
Speaker 3:Imagine like what this Jesus Christ? No, but imagine like how messed up this girl really is internally from taking drugs that like cancer patients took. Yeah, and when you see her today you can tell that there's something off, what it's not. Just you know the second grade education.
Speaker 2:This is a lifetime of chemicals and medications. Abuse of just all kinds of abuse. And let again, let us not forget that her mom, with that surgery that she had had performed. To be clear, the mom did not perform the surgery, but her mom encouraged, having the surgery performed by making her you know, do the fake drool stuff. And then our salivary glands were removed, so she lost her teeth.
Speaker 1:Well, that too in her voice. How like high pitched it is. I don't know if you heard her talk or any footage of that and they said that a lot of times. When kids have traumatic experiences as a young child, they get stuck at that age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll revert and just stay.
Speaker 1:So they'll you know she was talking like that all the way up through. It was high pitched, yeah, High pitched.
Speaker 3:And I think her mom, her mom left her teeth like that because it made her look more like it made her look slow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It made her just look like a poor oh, this poor little girl and then, like you said, shaving her head constantly and I guess she did question as she got old, like I, like I want my hair pretty and long and I'm like, no, no, we need to keep it clean, you're not feeling well, yeah, that's so weird too.
Speaker 2:And just think about that Like, look, kid, I'm going to start shaving your head now, because eventually your hair is going to fall out. Oh, jesus Christ, wouldn't. I want to enjoy it for the little time I got, yeah Right. Christ, I'm 47 years old. I still want to hold on to my hair as long as I can.
Speaker 3:Right, right, jesus, but think I mean she's basically taking like a child. That's like if you would find like a kid somewhere like in the wild or someone's going to Tarzan thing, and then you would just yep every day doing these things to this kid which they don't know any different. Yep, it's like this little thing of clay that you're molding into whatever you want to mold it into.
Speaker 2:That's a good analogy, man. Yep, matt, that's a really good analogy. It's like Tarzan. It's like taking a kid away from a typical upbringing and putting it in the goddamn jungle.
Speaker 3:Yes, and just here, this is what you're used to All these kids over there. No, you don't pay attention to that. This is us. This is what we do.
Speaker 2:Well, matt, you had been right all along. Oh, indeed, ultimately oh, don't seem so surprised Always a tone of surprise. For the first time, ultimately, didi would be posthumously diagnosed with Mun Chaozen syndrome by proxy. It is, in fact, where a caregiver creates the appearance of health problems in another person, typically their child.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's just a hustle, just making money.
Speaker 1:The term they use now, I guess they said, is factitious disorder imposed on another. They don't call it that, I guess, anymore. I don't know why, I guess he just I don't know. But yeah, they say now factitious disorder imposed on another. I heard that on like one of those shows or like 2020 or whatever, and I looked it up and that's what they say now.
Speaker 1:Current affair Current affair. It might be Hard copy. There was also a thing where her dad called on her 18th birthday. So her dad was trying to be involved in the life. You know what I mean. But, Rod, he called on her 18th birthday and the mom answered and was like, don't tell her, she's 18.
Speaker 2:She thinks she's 14. Yeah, he was like what do you mean he?
Speaker 1:was like endubidibli Right right, right Endubidli. Why you Rod? But yeah, he thought that was a little odd. He thought a lot of this stuff was odd, but of course, like she kept him away from her almost her whole life, so he couldn't really he said he got to meet her at like McDonald's for a few like an hour here and there.
Speaker 2:That was it.
Speaker 3:So it is.
Speaker 2:I'm curious, or intrigued as to what was the cause. What was the, if there were one? If you had to pick one, what was the cause for this Mun Chow's syndrome by proxy, and that is to say in Dee Dee's mind? Was it a she needed to feel needed, or the need to feel that attention that she's such a great caregiver? Or two, like Matt had said, is she? Was this just a hustle all along? And she, she had a kid. It's like sweet. Here's my opportunity to make some bank.
Speaker 1:It's one of those two for sure praying on the ability to option.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's not really.
Speaker 2:I don't know about three was if there's a third. I can't think of it. No, I just think it's got to be one of those two, or maybe a mix of the two. Like, maybe I think it's a mix. Maybe it started out with the I want the sympathy feeling, but then, once the money started rolling in, it's like oh shit, I'm going to keep this train rolling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, according to a peoplecom article on this, there was a ledge sexual abuse by a family member on both gypsy and her mother and DD. Yeah, so this is alleged. Not even say who it was, but they were saying maybe that could have triggered this in these wack out stories.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's always in there. That's always a possibility.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So who knows?
Speaker 2:Crack is wack.
Speaker 1:I think maybe it was for the attention, and then, in my opinion, I think probably for the attention, and then the uh, all the free perks were like your bonus like oh, we get to. Disney, Disney world's not cheap.
Speaker 3:No, no, it is not for free. She went there quite a few times Like she loved going to Disney. That was like her thing.
Speaker 1:And then you go to the front of the line. You're riding in anything. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like, it's just like it's what I usually put a cast on. I go to Disney. Yeah, If you go to I got to believe.
Speaker 2:if you go to Disney world in a wheelchair, you got to be treated like a pharaoh, like people are picking you up out of the chair and putting you in rides and doing this out and the other thing.
Speaker 1:And then the characters come over to push the kids out of the way, dropping grapes in your mouth, right, it's like fanning you? Yeah, for sure, but I'm sure that was a lot to do with that, plus, like he said, with the extreme hope makeovers. I mean, you got that guy showing up. We're going to remod, we're going to knock this thing down, rebuild it.
Speaker 3:I mean, they did a lot Build that wall.
Speaker 1:Build that wall. Yeah, she was getting a lot of perks for sure.
Speaker 2:Once the news of Gypsy Rose's lifelong abuse made its way to the prosecutors, it was clear that Gypsy Rose would not be charged with first degree murder. In exchange for a plea bargain, she was sentenced to one count of second degree murder and was sentenced to 10 years. Do you think that?
Speaker 3:was fair.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess, based on all the stuff that came out, they took away.
Speaker 3:they took away the first degree. After they looked into the case a little bit, they're like okay, we got to give this girl some kind of leniency.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and her upbringing, I mean that had it, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:That was one thing that came out of the prosecutor's mouth. He was like look, uncovering all of this and everything that old Didi was doing. I can't. This isn't an extreme, unusual circumstance. I'm not going to charge her with first degree.
Speaker 3:But so I think 10 years to give her 10. But then again I mean she was sending like pornographic pics. She was meeting a guy to like, but then again she based in Like you're not going to stop like a young teenager or young woman from blossoming into like yeah, you're still going to have the sexual urge?
Speaker 3:Is she going to have all that as she's developing? But I think she was so far behind. Like I said, the drugs and stuff in her system since she was a kid, yeah, oh and again, stopping at second grade. Yeah, second grade education. Yeah, I think they asked her that in court, like what grade did you? What is the highest grade you completed? She said second.
Speaker 2:So I see where. I see where any any one of us would go and say, man, good for her. She killed that terrible, miserable bitch of a mother of hers. She died in an grabs. She could have just picked up and ran away. That's she could have just as easily done. And again one more time have you seen pictures of this DD brought? She's like 500 pounds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not getting chased.
Speaker 2:That's why she had to be stabbed 17 times right.
Speaker 3:But that's the? What is that? What's the what's that called? When you're Diabetes, no, when somebody like kidnaps you but you're like in, you can't do anything against them cuz I call them Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think I mean this was her mom, like she wouldn't do that cuz she knows she's not supposed to.
Speaker 1:Also a great song by the rock band Muse, stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 3:Oh music. Where do we see them? Was that in Maryland?
Speaker 1:But, um yeah, exactly what you're saying is that I agree and that's what I, and I think that's what the majority people say. Why don't you just tell somebody and Run or run away?
Speaker 3:cuz she was scared shitless. Gonna get home. Mom's gonna put her on a incubator.
Speaker 2:She had her own yeah, I give her some some quailudes. That woman was 500 pounds, you could outrun her. Again if you get caught she's gonna King Kong Bundy off the top rope.
Speaker 4:It's a tough one man.
Speaker 1:I get both sides of it. I'm kind of somewhere in the middle, like I. Part of me is like, yeah, why didn't you just speak up? And then part of me's like, well, she didn't speak up because all the years of abuse, yeah, and she just even gold finger 82 there was.
Speaker 3:I mean, I had some problems. Golden rod, did you do? We mentioned that? That he was caught, like when they looked at his jacket? He was arrested for masturbating and watching porn at a McDonald's for nine hours.
Speaker 3:God damn, they had a master beating, that they had a master beating on tape. They didn't know what he was doing, but they looked back at the tape. He was at the McDonald's for nine hours on a phone yeah, on his phone watch jerking off. And I mean nine hours, nine times, and you guys can look that up. That's a fact. That's too many.
Speaker 2:That's a fun that is just two, nine hours exactly this guy's 82 IQ.
Speaker 3:If you can't do what you need to do in in nine minutes that's even a long time you got some problems, man.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Look, though, that reset time on him is pretty good for nine hours nine hours straight.
Speaker 1:And then I guess, david.
Speaker 3:Lane when they finally got him there. He also was charged with a weapons charge for having like a like, some sort of illegal pocket knife or something like that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, this, this guy had problems, oh speaking of knife, I had read that after they, he, after Nicholas, go to John, did the deed and stabbed old big fat D 17 times. They mailed the knife.
Speaker 1:Yes, I saw that knife in the gloves from Missouri to to Nicholas's house.
Speaker 2:So in case they got pulled over whatever I don't have it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Like there's no rivers, you Like you couldn't think of just getting a shovel and bearing it in the middle of Missouri.
Speaker 3:There's no other place to put a knife.
Speaker 2:We have to send it to ourselves via mail.
Speaker 3:We're gonna keep it they never watch any gangster movies where they just wipe it down and throw it in the no, you just gotta wrap it up in something well and now again, who?
Speaker 2:with whom are we dealing?
Speaker 1:basically a second grader and an 82 IQ dude, 84 who was on the autism spectrum see, I was hoping all that was made up to the 82 part, and you're talking about all the stuff that was made up. But nope that one was true, that was true.
Speaker 2:He's not so bright, and in fact, not only is he not bright, but when it came to the prosecution, nicholas was not nearly as lucky as Gypsy Rose. Again, he's the one who had the knife and, despite his attorney's arguments relative to his mental illness and low intelligence, it took a jury not more than two hours to return with a verdict of guilty to a charge of first degree murder. Nicholas was sentenced to life in prison, with no chance of parole, for the first degree murder and An additional 25 years on a charge of armed criminal action. Now I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3:I'm a criminal knife or trying to get rid of the evidence?
Speaker 4:Maybe I'm a criminal action?
Speaker 3:I don't know. We have to look at it. J Dubb got a.
Speaker 2:J Dubb. What is an armed criminal action? That's at McDonald's.
Speaker 1:Left arm or right arm?
Speaker 3:Two counts on the left arm, eight counts on the right.
Speaker 2:That ain't right, yeah, that ain't right at all.
Speaker 3:But see again in this guy's defense. This girl was promising this guy who, if you've seen this guy, you would know she's offering him sex. She's sending this guy pictures. So this guy is so in flu like he's not thinking Clearly clearly.
Speaker 1:I mean come on 82. Yeah, he's correct.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's thinking about is like this girl who's dressing up in cosplay for him, yeah, and she's telling him what to do and promising him sex, giving him sex, and he's like, look, whatever you need, girl, just give me, give me something I could love in you are basically the only chance I never have at getting laid. Well no, he had a girlfriend before this so he's getting chicks off the Christian mingle. Oh, he's banging mad honey.
Speaker 2:I hear they call him sweet dick Nikki.
Speaker 3:Say look, girl, you got the vicious wet wet, isn't it true too, as your IQ goes down, your dick size gets up.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, just look at what's his name from the Eagles Nick. Foles yeah, Nick falls.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his IQ is probably pretty high.
Speaker 3:I know, I'm just, I'm just happy, no, I thought you're gonna say, like the guy that sings a, does he have a big Johnson? No, you said from the Eagles.
Speaker 2:Why didn't I pick up on that?
Speaker 3:Well, who's the other guy? Um, she had another couple good songs to Glenn for and fry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who's the guitarist that makes all the weird faces and stuff? I?
Speaker 4:can't tell you oh.
Speaker 3:The long hairdo, glenn Fry, played guitar.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, the other guy don't.
Speaker 3:Henley played drums.
Speaker 1:Don Henley. But this guy you play make like odd faces and shit. I can't think of his name. It's a big name, you would know it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that Eagles guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that equals, guy.
Speaker 3:That's me, I think I'm gonna say that's the best selling album of all time.
Speaker 1:Yep hotel California.
Speaker 2:Eagles greatest, as he goes, it's okay Best selling album globally of all time.
Speaker 3:I like, I like when we're hitting those little.
Speaker 1:Joe.
Speaker 2:Piscopo no Satriani not Joe Cocker.
Speaker 1:Joe, maybe it's not I don't know, Well, broadway Joe, broadway Joe.
Speaker 2:As we had mentioned, nicholas is ineligible for parole. However, gypsy Rose was released in 2022 after serving seven years in prison. Fun fact currently Gypsy Rose has more than 10 million followers on tick-tock.
Speaker 1:So she got the same amount or served the same amount of time as our library. Hey guys from last week. Dang or from I guess it'd be two weeks ago.
Speaker 2:She plot, helped to plot, a murder, mm-hmm. And yeah, she got seven years.
Speaker 1:That's right like the library. Hi dudes, those guys tased the girl with a stun pen and Stole some books, yeah and tried fencing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean there was a multiple, there was a number of federal crimes in that they didn't have the same upbringing, though. No these guys were in college she went as far as second grade. Yes, right, right.
Speaker 3:And I think they kind of knew what they were doing. They planned it and everything her and force gump.
Speaker 2:By virtue of force, gump Go to John.
Speaker 3:Yep, the big plan they came up with was come to my house on the bus, stab my mom and then we'll have sex, and then we'll run away and have more sex. Yep, hmm.
Speaker 1:So I saw here you have a fun fact on her name. Oh, that's right. So I wanted that I have another one too on that. But well, so yeah, go ahead man. No, go ahead, all right first, according to sources.
Speaker 2:According to sources, gypsy Rose is. Her name is a hyphenated name, gypsy hyphen Rose. The gypsy portion was a name that DD liked. However, rose came about because her dad, rod, liked guns and roses about that, yeah, gnr so I wonder what its favorite song was. Hmm. It's a tough one sweet child of mine, of course, yeah that's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had another one on here too, that possibility. They said there was a 1930 Burt Lester dancer named gypsies, named gypsy Rose Lee, hmm, and her mother was a stage mom and she forced her to become famous like, basically, oh, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So Marilyn Manson date that girl oh.
Speaker 1:That was a Dita Von T.
Speaker 3:Dita Von T. Yeah, she was like she would do burlesque and like champagne glasses right See hot never heard of that broad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like a tattoo artist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, GG. How did deep no?
Speaker 1:no no, no, not a hot, what is?
Speaker 2:it like Vantice.
Speaker 1:DD, ramon, dd, vantice or data. I forget how you even say.
Speaker 3:Veta, don't Veta. Yeah, that girl.
Speaker 2:In a God of David, uh I got a little beat.
Speaker 1:That's gonna bother me about that Eagles guy, but I know my boy, metric Raj. He texts me after every episode.
Speaker 3:Joe, well, joe wash, oh wash yeah.
Speaker 1:So there you go, metric Raj in on in the face.
Speaker 3:Like we would come up with. Eventually, we're just Matt with the same.
Speaker 2:Well done.
Speaker 1:He hit me up after karate kid. There's a couple things that we'll get to on the next vintage, but uh, there's a lot of things we during the episode will be talking about me like, oh, they ain't trying to name somebody and we'll get it a little off, yeah, but uh, this is a wild one man.
Speaker 2:Oh, I almost forgot to mention. Oh, while in prison, jipsy Rose got married. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a fun fact that I don't know.
Speaker 2:Is she married up? What was it? A teacher?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like 37. Dang, so she's a little older than her. I guess they uh, I don't know if you sent her a letter.
Speaker 3:They were pen pals. Is that what it was? Like a letter.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that that still exists. Yeah, it is Pen pals.
Speaker 1:It is cool, but yeah, they hooked up then and ended up getting married in prison.
Speaker 2:So she's currently 33, 33, 34. Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1:Sounds about right and uh yeah, she's living her best life right now. Hell, yeah, I mean. She says she has regret for how everything went down. He does not. He said he would do it again if asked.
Speaker 2:Uh go and get sent pictures. Nicholas go to John. Yeah, they regrets.
Speaker 1:They said they asked him if he would do it. They asked him if he would do it all over again. He was like yeah conversation on the telephone.
Speaker 3:You got that tattoo in prison. It says no regrets, no regrets.
Speaker 1:They misspelled it, but uh, yeah, this guy who are the?
Speaker 2:who are the chefs?
Speaker 1:Who are the chefs? Yeah, what is that from?
Speaker 4:That's a commercial Commercial. The first Snickers bar.
Speaker 1:I hate the chefs.
Speaker 2:Who owned the chiefs? Who owned the chiefs? That's a slap shot.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:Who owned the?
Speaker 1:chiefs, you said that on one of the podcasts.
Speaker 4:Who owned?
Speaker 1:the chiefs. Yeah, I was like man. What is that from? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, wow, so she got married and go to John would do it again if he had the chance. Yeah, he loved that, sweet, sweet. Oh, I saw it. So if you look at pictures of this girl because there were, you know, pictures taken again, this girl was in someone of the somewhat of the spotlight as we just crushed by now the, the, the, the go fund me's and the make a wishes and the habitat for humanity and the home makeover stuff and whatever. So there are certainly the pictures of this girl growing up, whatever. There are pictures of her as she was, as she had teeth, then after she had lost teeth, and now she's had some dental work done, that basically she has like a two white horseshoes of teeth that are just permanently now fixed bridges Cause I mean they can get to the jaw bone and drill that up in there. But yeah, so they, she just has permanent teeth there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in the interview, like recently, and she you could see in the back there's, like you know so she like pops them out. Yeah, there's like you can see them like the the silver like from the fake teeth in the in the back, but like that's bad guy from Skyfall.
Speaker 3:So, you think Go to John, got a gummy humming yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder how he's making out on a prison.
Speaker 3:Oh, not good Now he. He's not doing well in prison.
Speaker 1:No, no, but prison. Mingle that dating site for prison yeah.
Speaker 2:He's getting in the prison wallet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so definitely a crazy story, definitely the hot one right now. So hopefully we're striking one of the iron's hot story, because it's all. It's still all in the news. She was released. What'd you say? December 20, 23. It was like 23, but the 23.
Speaker 2:I got 22. But look, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just going.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's out and about. Yeah, she like shows up at like big she's on TMZ all the time.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, she's at the AFC James Jib game. I saw her in the.
Speaker 3:Taylor Swift yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Dang. No, I'm kidding, I don't know. She's up there with Kelsey Kelsey, kelsey Grammer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kelsey.
Speaker 3:Grammer, kelsey Grammer, doing that, that game who?
Speaker 4:The other Kelsey man who'd?
Speaker 2:you kidnap Kelsey Grammer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Chelsea Clinton, She'll be a. She'll be at the Super Bowl half time show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, she's singing. I think actually yeah.
Speaker 1:She did sing speaking to that they have like on those. I watched a couple of the documentaries, bits and pieces. I mean, there was one that came out in 2017 on HBO.
Speaker 3:There's one new one on Hulu or whatever. I didn't see that yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw Hulu, and then there's one on Lifetime that's most current and the victim channel, the victim channel. Yeah, so that that one's like the most current one.
Speaker 3:So I there's some hot actress at play.
Speaker 1:So in that one well, no, you're thinking of the movie.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, this is like, like documentary style, because I've seen the one, I was like man, she don't look nothing like that. No, no, no, no, no. They got Alyssa Milano again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alyssa Milano again, but they show like clips of her singing.
Speaker 3:Back in a day, like her, her mom would take her to these fun raisers and she would get up there and sing and stuff like that, like on the wheelchair, and like yeah, and they were like yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 1:People are like chairing for and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:But, that's a mess.
Speaker 3:Stop man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So yeah, like I said, it's just insane but people do to get a free ride you know or? Attention.
Speaker 3:Attention.
Speaker 1:Nobody knows really what the motive. Like you said, I'd be curious.
Speaker 3:Maybe the mom was so mentally screwed up. That's it. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 1:All in all it's a tragic story it is. You know we joke and have fun with it and stuff like that. But all in all it is sad. It's a shame that that happened to her. I mean, wouldn't wish that on anybody. She was just the person like like all of us, the mother was still a person that got murdered. I mean this guy, if he is having issues with you know what'd you say? Dissociative?
Speaker 1:disorder, personality identity disorder and other mental issues. Like you know, you feel bad for him in a way. But yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, any takeaways from the story, any quick takeaways, giveaways.
Speaker 2:I think there might have been a third possible cause, because I'm thinking now about what Didi did to her stepmom with the roundup poisoning. Maybe she did just want to keep the answer, like the medications and the bullshit. Maybe just maybe there's a part of her that wanted to keep her ill. It's almost like torture. So if you have a I don't know like, it's like keeping something alive just long enough, but still keeping it alive, but it's still in writhing pain. It's still like God it's praying for death, right Like it. Pick an animal like you would just want to not want to, but obviously not want to but pick an animal that you could just torture the shit out of it.
Speaker 3:It's not dying. It's not dying, are you okay, zach?
Speaker 2:Wishes it were dying and instead you're just keeping it alive long enough to just keep on torturing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like not feed it for a couple of days and just like something there's a little surrender Kind of like the human centipede. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I'm thinking of all of these.
Speaker 2:DM, all of these crazy ass killers. We've done and or we've covered and what some of them had done with animals in their younger years in their formative years, like Dahmer or whomever like you know, messing around with cats or like hanging cats. And then you're, you know you, or you tie it to the ground and you put a stake through its tail and, you know, trying to shoot it with a BB gun. That cat is praying for death, but you're still keeping it alive.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, maybe maybe DD was, like you said, about molested or something when she was a child.
Speaker 2:maybe something clicked or switched yeah, and then she never recovered from it. Either way. That chick real messed up. Mm. Hmm, hey guys, can you wrap it up? Dang, oh, it's that time Always. Her timing is perfect, it is perfect, spot on. I think we've beaten the shit out of this one.
Speaker 1:It's almost like it's a button. She would say it's not, though.
Speaker 2:Her voice is her voice is angelically consistent.
Speaker 1:Every time, every time, it's the same message.
Speaker 4:Spot on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, man, I appreciate that story. Zapp writing everything up.
Speaker 2:Hey, matt. Yeah, thanks for bringing this one to us. This is a good one, good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely be back next week with a cool vintage cinema review or maybe vintage album review. Now it could be.
Speaker 4:It could be.
Speaker 1:It could be. It could be. We've got to work on scheduling on that. Definitely back after that, hopefully with a cool true crime or compelling story, as always.
Speaker 3:Did you put out what the album is, yet Did you say anything. Or is it like a teaser? Should we tease?
Speaker 2:Well, we've already, I think. Oh, we said, oh we did say it's okay, yeah, all right, there we go it would be a slippery when wet.
Speaker 1:There you go. Bon Jovi with Nutley Nick.
Speaker 2:The theme of this is going to be what were the albums, at least what from guidance from Nutley Nick? What we're looking to do is do the review of the albums that made the band. That's it Not necessarily their first album, but what was the album that really broke out the band?
Speaker 1:And I had a couple of family members that were over here and they saw all our posters up here and I think two of them said hey, bon Jovi, and I'm like how dare you.
Speaker 2:That's sacrilege. That's kip winger. Kip winger would be turning over at his grave If you were dead right.
Speaker 3:Punch you out for something like that Kip winger is a saint. It's not Bon Jovi, let's put it out there. If we have any, any ladies, any lady listeners who have these slippery, one wet tattoo, you come in and sit in on the basement.
Speaker 1:That'd be cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, also, you don't know what I'm talking about. You never seen that.
Speaker 1:No, I don't remember that.
Speaker 3:It's the slippery one. You never seen that.
Speaker 1:People at like streets on the street sign. Yeah.
Speaker 3:The street sign. Yeah, slippery, one wet. There's girls that have like a tattoo on their butt.
Speaker 2:You could find those girls at Rod's Roadhouse.
Speaker 3:I'm sure they also have JBJ tattoos.
Speaker 1:I had that on my skids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. The shoes Skids were like the pants like Zubas, you would wear your skids with your skids with the Giorgio Brutini's.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, I'm good.
Speaker 3:Brought all the girls to the yard.
Speaker 1:But all that fun talk right there can be found on vintage album review possibly coming out next week.
Speaker 2:Possibly Hoping.
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