Step into the underbelly of the narcotics world as we unveil the life of Griselda Blanco, a woman whose ruthless ambition saw her rise from the poverty-stricken streets of Medellín to the apex of the Miami drug trade. Our latest episode isn't just another true crime chronicle—it's a deep and daring examination of the gray areas between fact and fiction in media portrayals of the infamous 'Godmother' of cocaine. You'll be mesmerized by the contrasts of Colombian city life we encountered firsthand, a backdrop for the tumultuous tale of Blanco's ascent, her devious smuggling tactics, and the lavish yet perilous lifestyle that came with her title.
Griselda's story isn't solely one of power and profit; it's also a stark reminder of the human cost behind such an empire. We unravel her chilling personal saga, from her rumored plot to kidnap JFK Jr. to the bitter betrayals and family tragedy that seemed to shadow the Blanco name. Our conversation doesn't shy away from the controversy surrounding her portrayal in the Netflix series, as we critically dissect the creative liberties taken and their implications on how we perceive Griselda's character. Throughout, you'll hear how the sheer magnitude of her operations left an enduring mark on the criminal world, one that even the most dramatic filmmakers struggle to capture.
Finally, we reflect on the aftermath of a dynasty marred by violence and tragedy. With Griselda's assassination bringing a brutal end to her reign, her family's legacy continues to unfold, marked by attempts to rebrand and escape the shadows of the past. As we dissect the real-life consequences and ongoing influence of Blanco's empire, this episode promises not just a gripping narrative but a thought-provoking exploration of the enduring fascination with the figures who once ruled an underworld empire. Join us for a podcast experience that's as enlightening as it is enthralling, peeling back layers of a life that still captivates and horrifies in equal measure.
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Step into the underbelly of the narcotics world as we unveil the life of Griselda Blanco, a woman whose ruthless ambition saw her rise from the poverty-stricken streets of Medellín to the apex of the Miami drug trade. Our latest episode isn't just another true crime chronicle—it's a deep and daring examination of the gray areas between fact and fiction in media portrayals of the infamous 'Godmother' of cocaine. You'll be mesmerized by the contrasts of Colombian city life we encountered firsthand, a backdrop for the tumultuous tale of Blanco's ascent, her devious smuggling tactics, and the lavish yet perilous lifestyle that came with her title.
Griselda's story isn't solely one of power and profit; it's also a stark reminder of the human cost behind such an empire. We unravel her chilling personal saga, from her rumored plot to kidnap JFK Jr. to the bitter betrayals and family tragedy that seemed to shadow the Blanco name. Our conversation doesn't shy away from the controversy surrounding her portrayal in the Netflix series, as we critically dissect the creative liberties taken and their implications on how we perceive Griselda's character. Throughout, you'll hear how the sheer magnitude of her operations left an enduring mark on the criminal world, one that even the most dramatic filmmakers struggle to capture.
Finally, we reflect on the aftermath of a dynasty marred by violence and tragedy. With Griselda's assassination bringing a brutal end to her reign, her family's legacy continues to unfold, marked by attempts to rebrand and escape the shadows of the past. As we dissect the real-life consequences and ongoing influence of Blanco's empire, this episode promises not just a gripping narrative but a thought-provoking exploration of the enduring fascination with the figures who once ruled an underworld empire. Join us for a podcast experience that's as enlightening as it is enthralling, peeling back layers of a life that still captivates and horrifies in equal measure.
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Thanks for tuning in to the Old Dirty Basement. On this week's episode we're covering the godmother Grisota Blanco.
Speaker 2:Oh, blanco, a godmother, would that be Thea Madre?
Speaker 3:Close. We're coming all the way from like Medellin, colombia, to Miami Florida With El Madrina. That is the godmother. See you, senor.
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Speaker 2:Learn some Spanish today. I guess Colombian Spanish.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yeah, that's drugas.
Speaker 2:So look, I'll say it because I've used terms like Mexican, which is a dialect of Spanish Colombian. They have their own dialect. I get that, it's all Spanish. I just like to say it with specificity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're all different, like Cuban, colombian there's like Spain, spanish, there's Mexican, spanish there's Spanglish, sure, there's all different.
Speaker 2:Dude, there's it. Hell in America. You've got, let's just say, english, and I'm not talking the Queens English, I'm talking American English. But then you have how Bostonians might sound, or the.
Speaker 3:South, the deep South, yeah. I mean it's Louisiana, those people speak I don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker 1:There are likes of dialect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ooh, it's a good band name, look at that, but you know what that is.
Speaker 2:That was an alliteration is what that was.
Speaker 1:No, but it's an album. Oh, there's a dialect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a rap album. They're bass. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, real quick guys, where we get into this. I just want to get.
Speaker 2:It's never real quick.
Speaker 1:It's going to be quick. I promise Quick shout outs and this is what matters most when we're doing this. We're doing this for the listeners, people that dig our show. I just want to list a couple people that always reach out to me. You know, let us know we're doing a good job in there and join it.
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Speaker 1:Nice, you got anybody.
Speaker 3:I don't even tell anybody. I'm on this podcast.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:I love it. I'm about as DL as you can get here. No, that's good, that's cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:But yeah, today, man, we got a good one. This one's all over Netflix right now. But just to clarify, we're not covering the Netflix series. Maybe we'll interject where shit that they got wrong on the show. And I've going through this. I see there's quite a few things that were a little different on the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've seen something that was on, I think it was on Netflix. They said like 10 major things that was wrong with the show and I also think her one son. We won't get into his name yet, but he also said there's a lot of things that that were different, but it was a decent series.
Speaker 1:It was a very good series.
Speaker 3:It was a good series.
Speaker 1:If you watch this series and I brought you here you know, definitely understand we're going over the actual, factual stuff.
Speaker 2:Actual factual.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:This is the real deal, holyfield, but there could be some we might interject with some things from the story. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we will let you know when we're talking about the show.
Speaker 2:This is the real deal Poppy field.
Speaker 1:So yeah, why don't we get into it if you guys don't have anything else?
Speaker 2:Let's do it All right. Today we're covering Grizzelda.
Speaker 3:Blanco, also known as.
Speaker 1:Queen of cocaine.
Speaker 2:Yes, the black widow, yes, the godmother El.
Speaker 3:Madrina and El Hefe which is F is the boss. You might have heard that from three Amigos.
Speaker 2:I did. However, Hefe worked for El Guapo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh tell me the infamous El Guapo.
Speaker 2:That's right? Yeah, he worked for El Guapo F. What is it, plethora? Yeah, exactly, oh, el Guapo, I'm learning so much A man of your knowledge and expertise. Anyways anyways, this is about Grizzelda Blanco, which is Colombian for Grizzelda White.
Speaker 3:Oh, real quick fun fact Go Starting off. I know it's never real quick, it's never real, but Grizzelda is my. Actually that's my great grandmother's name.
Speaker 1:She was not in the Colombian cartel, okay.
Speaker 3:Interesting so.
Speaker 2:Grizzelda Blanco Blanco was white.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:She could be Ms White like Resort. Dogs.
Speaker 3:That's cool. They work from Clue.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Clue.
Speaker 2:All right. So Grizzelda, born on February 15th 1943, in the slums surrounding Cartagena, Colombia. So when I say slums, think of, if you've seen it, District 9, like where the aliens live.
Speaker 3:That's being kind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you've seen Dick Tracy, the Warren Beatty movie, it's been a while yeah. It's. That's where the kid lived, like his dad beat the shit out and then Warren Beatty went, or Dick Tracy went back to beat the shit out of him. Probably not as colorful as those, definitely not.
Speaker 3:It's something if you're thinking poor in America think way more poor than that.
Speaker 2:America doesn't know this, yeah exactly. I've seen this in maybe some border towns, like if I'm in Texas or even in some California, like so I've never been on the border in Mexico, new Mexico or Arizona. But like looking over at Juarez, like yeah, that's a shanty ass town, but even Juarez isn't better conditioned in this town.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So this is bad. This is bad, In fact. In fact, murder was so commonplace in this town that kids would dig holes in the ground to bury the bodies so they could have places to play.
Speaker 1:Like roll that body out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, what Zapp was saying too like those places were surrounded, like the only thing they could do for money was, like there was a lot of slaughterhouses, so they would basically they would kill like animals, like pigs and goats and stuff like on, like basically on the streets. So, like he was saying, you had to bury like entrails and different things, just so you had a place to like. That was kind of clean.
Speaker 1:So these kids growing up are hardened early.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's so. It's absolutely true that they would throw in dead bodies and I'm not talking animal bodies and not just intestines, I'm saying like just dead bodies, dead dudes blood and nasty yeah. Roll them out of the way and we want to play soccer here. Dig a hole that's started body in her.
Speaker 1:Oh geez.
Speaker 2:So of course this woman grew up knowing that crime would be her only way out. Now she engaged in petty crimes as soon as her two little legs learned how to run Hell. When she was 11, she and a group of other kids kidnapped a 10 year old boy from a wealthy Colombian family, hoping to collect a ransom. Despite the boy being held hostage, the family refused to give in to her demands. Proving her resolve, griselda put a gun to the young boy's head and pulled the trigger Dude 11.
Speaker 2:That's at 11 years old, she blew his head off. This boy became the first in a long list of her victims. Hell, by the time she was 12, she was pickpocketing and prostituting herself for cash in Medellin.
Speaker 1:So I have a friend that I know from work. His name's Fernando, his family's from Colombia. He visited there in 92 and his uncle was a president of a bank in Colombia. Now they weren't in Medellin, they were a couple of hours away. He said Banco, but for instance like the town that they were in now his uncle lived in like a nicer section and he said, driving up to his house there were armed guards, like at the gates of all these houses, like it was so Of the drug lords, or Well, some of them were drug lords.
Speaker 1:Some people just probably had money for protection. Now his uncle, his cousin got kidnapped as a teenager for ransom and they had to pay. They paid the money to basically get them back. And this same cousin, he was telling me, was on the national team, the soccer team, and he was playing there but that was run by Cartel and they were pretty ruthless. I don't know if you remember a story about a guy that was on that national team I don't know if it was World Cup soccer missed the goal. He was a goalie or something.
Speaker 1:They killed him Jesus, what? Yeah, because he missed a goal. Yeah, I mean, they take their soccer.
Speaker 3:Clearly it's football, football.
Speaker 1:But he was giving me. Like you know, he grew up in America. He went there to visit in 92. And he said like it's a beautiful country, there is like a lot of good areas and stuff. A lot of this stuff gets really pumped up like in the media and all that you know. He said definitely now it's not nearly as bad as it was, but what you're saying is there's more to Colombia than just drug lords.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, you know. He said and if you're at that time when he was there, he spoke English. He said like you're a chick magnet. He said like it was amazing the amount of women that's a good song. You know what I mean? Oh, chick magnet. Yeah, so it was interesting to get his perspective, actually being there in that country, not growing up there, but just visiting.
Speaker 3:You saying that, dave, with um, I think a lot of like places like Columbia, cuba, Mexico, there's still like a lot of people go there, they enjoy their vacations but they're staying on like a resort.
Speaker 2:A resort, a dude, a compound? Yes, let me clear those places are guarded their security.
Speaker 3:A lot of people think it's cool to go off the compound, as you're saying, or the site that they're on, and going off of these places and going into the cities.
Speaker 2:If you like being human trafficked, go off the compound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you might be in trouble.
Speaker 2:If you like getting robbed, get off the compound.
Speaker 3:It's not a good thing. These places are still kind of scary, like Dave said, not not how they were, maybe in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, but today you still need to be aware of your surroundings.
Speaker 1:I was surprised to find that they were touristy, like on the coastline, that they have places. But he said they do Like you're talking about, like you're. I don't know if it's sandals, but yeah, resorts.
Speaker 3:There's plenty of resorts, sure.
Speaker 1:I was surprised to find that, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Look, they've all got beaches. All these places got beaches, man, and it's decent enough. Well, there's going to be money made somehow, right. Clearly there is more to the Colombian economy than just drugs.
Speaker 3:But Colombian is. That's the best you can get. There are safer places to vacation.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying drug-wise. I mean it's pure. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:Good coffee too.
Speaker 2:The source. Ooh, that's true, juan Valdez.
Speaker 3:Who sang a song about the Colombian there Sab About Juan.
Speaker 2:Valdez, no, the Colombian. Oh, the Cuervo Gold.
Speaker 3:The Cuervo. Yes, Very good, Very good. I know your fans, yes, I know your fans.
Speaker 2:Shit shit man, the fine Colombian, that's right. Make tonight a wonderful thing.
Speaker 3:That's a good song, all right.
Speaker 2:Fantastic. In 1956, at the age of 13, griselda met Carlos Trujillo. Now, for just us American gringos, it's true Jillo, but pronunciation-wise it is Trujillo. Thank you, man. Carlos was a sex client of hers, a known fraudster and document forger that would be for immigration papers and a human trafficker for exporting illegal immigrants into the United States. Yes, griselda and Carlos married in 1960, when she was just 17.
Speaker 3:When does Kip Wenger?
Speaker 2:stop.
Speaker 3:When does Kip Wenger stop? It does not, it does not stop.
Speaker 2:Dude, 17 is our magic number, I'm telling you, it is. God bless you, Kip Wenger. What would Kip Wenger do?
Speaker 3:We should all get older debasement jerseys with the number 17. I think that's great.
Speaker 2:It comes up almost every goddamn podcast. All right, so she was 17. The two went on to have three children, three little ninos, all boys, osvaldo Dixon and Uber. Now would that be Uber, uber, okay, osvaldo Dixon and Uber. Alas, the fire between Griselda and Carlos faded, carlos, carlos, and they divorced in 1969. Not but a year or two later, griselda had her ex-husband killed over what some claim to have been a bad business dispute.
Speaker 3:That's El Dos for her killing spree.
Speaker 2:That is number Dose, which is Colombian for two. Yes, not long after the untimely death of Carlos Griselda, met another pillar of the local community, Alberto Bravo. He's laying the rock. Yeah. Yeah, instead of moving illegal immigrants, however, alberto moved cocaine for the Medellin cartel. The two swiftly went into business together, establishing a cocaine enterprise in Queens, new York, in 1966. They married in 1968.
Speaker 1:So she really wasted no time. No time. This is the only involved business.
Speaker 2:I gotta get the hell out of Medellin.
Speaker 3:Well, they said growing up, like she realized like the shit she lived in and she was like I'm not going to be here, Like she would tell friends or people that knew her at a young age that I am getting out of here some way. Her dreams are gonna come true. She's like Disney.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, Griselda's and Alberto's business had started small, with modest amounts of cocaine being smuggled by individuals in their suitcases on commercial flights. Griselda then became creative in her smuggling scheme. She purchased an underwear factory and designed and produced underwear with secret compartments in which the cocaine could be smuggled. But it's never enough, is it? Within a few years the couple had their own planes flying the coke directly from Columbia into the States. A few more years later were now into the early to mid-70s, and cocaine was all the rage In New York City, where the drug trade was controlled by the five families of the Italian mafia. Griselda and Alberto were able to undercut the mafia's product by having their own direct connection to the source in Columbia. By 1975, Griselda's and Alberto's business was grossing tens of millions of dollars per month and had a network of more than 1,500 dealers and forcers and smugglers.
Speaker 1:Two things on that. So could you imagine if she was producing these underwear and stashing coke? If one of those sets of underwear made it, I don't know if she was selling that stuff. Could you imagine you're going to buy a set of underwear, lingerie, and there's like $10,000 worth of cocaine? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying, if part of the assembly line process is okay, now, after we've made the underwear, before we seal up the compartment with the Coke, you gotta put the Coke in there and then we seal it up and it goes into these boxes. So these boxes are the Coke underwear, these boxes, just in case you wanted to I don't know make use of her production facilities these are for the masses. Could you imagine if one slipped the wrong way?
Speaker 3:Huh, that would be a good day, good find. But no like for her to smuggle that coke from Columbia to New York with those pouches and stuff. She would use prostitutes from Columbia, women that had nothing. They were poor women and she would treat them really well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they depicted that in that show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they showed them and yeah, but back in the day too, it wasn't how you're thinking today, like you're not going through scanners. This is way before 9-11. Oh shit, oh my God so they said, a pretty woman that flirts with like the guards and stuff. They don't even check women back then because they could be charged with, you know, touching them all up and stuff like that. So they kind of just let like the women go.
Speaker 1:So it's pretty smart. The other thing I wanted to touch on is that I'm surprised that the mob I know the mob they don't like dealing in drugs, like the old heads that were in the mob at the time, but I know obviously they were like some of the younger guys were slinging drugs Once the old heads started dying off.
Speaker 2:The younger guys, the Goddies and them guys yeah, they loved it.
Speaker 1:But I'm surprised that with the mob's power that people selling drugs from Columbia were able to come in and even have a little bit of market there.
Speaker 3:But go back to the Godfather. Remember the Italian. The mafia didn't deal with drugs. They said leave that shit alone. That's what I was saying. Yeah, they didn't like any of that.
Speaker 1:So maybe they couldn't retaliate because they're trying to keep it under cover. I don't know. I just wonder. I'm surprised in New York ledges like them. You know that's where the mob.
Speaker 3:So let's think about well, people have money you can pay off the mob.
Speaker 2:Well, there's that, but let's also remember that we just mentioned it. So by this time this is the mid-70s. So I'm gonna hit two points. One on the mob topic the old heads, yeah, 50s and 60s. They wanted nothing to do with it and if they did, they would only sell it in the slums, they would only, you know whatever. By the time these guys are dying off right around this time you get the Goddies of the world entering in, or anyone in those families, the sons or whatever that wanna get bigger and expand. Point number two this little family of her, this little cartel of her own, or her extension of the Medellin cartel, had 1500 employees 1500, that includes enforcers, not just dealers. This is enforcers. These are the people that look, if you go after the dealers, you're gonna get shot by the Colombians.
Speaker 1:So they were probably just as strong.
Speaker 2:You're saying yeah, I mean, it was basically a mafia war between the Italian families and the Colombians.
Speaker 1:I guess that's true. I'm picturing it. It's just the two of them.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Going against the mob.
Speaker 1:And I guess there's a lot more to it. You know what I mean. I don't know if this is true or not. I read it on the internet on an article, and they said that she pioneered the smuggling of drugs in the bodies of dead infants. What?
Speaker 3:They were saying yeah, she used dead children.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah why would you wait, wait, wait, wait? Why? A way to get drugs into that? How would you? What would be the purpose of transporting dead infants?
Speaker 1:I don't know, for I don't know. Science stem cells Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Sending them across like families that were there sending their kids to the Americas to get buried or they had family over here. Right. You would use the guy that did, like the fake. What?
Speaker 2:did it do Autopsies or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:The guy that did the passports and stuff like that. They would use the fake ones to say that they had family over here.
Speaker 1:Send a baby over and they would send bodies over with.
Speaker 3:You know bags in their bodies.
Speaker 1:So basically, like these babies dead infants or whatever.
Speaker 2:I just don't get it.
Speaker 1:Well they, like he's saying I didn't even read that part, but that makes more sense Say a baby dies in Columbia.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:And they're like all right. Well, we're just gonna say he has family in the US.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't have family. They wanted to bury him in the United States. I see.
Speaker 1:And say there's a family waiting there to bury him. That makes more sense.
Speaker 3:It turned out to be very easy, like they could take bodies and say, oh, the family in Florida wants to bury them at the family plot or at the cemetery by the house Right.
Speaker 2:The drive, I get it. The drive wasn't truly the desire to send the kid to be buried there. Quite the contrary. There were dead bodies all over the goddamn place.
Speaker 3:They were just happening all the time they were just happening all the time they say hey look, man, go get me a couple of dead bodies.
Speaker 2:I want to fill them with cocaine because I need to, well, one, because I need to send it. But I'm going to use that age old excuse now. Oh man, he had family over in America. Please let him be buried with his family.
Speaker 1:Now I get it.
Speaker 2:That's fascinating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I don't know if that's 100% true or not. You can't tell the other thing you read on the internet. There's so much stuff you hear.
Speaker 3:What blew my mind is the money that she's making in the 70s yeah, dude, and you're talking a kilo back then. I looked into this it was $50,000 to $60,000 for a kilo at that time Is that right For a kilo I don't know what a kilo of cocaine is.
Speaker 2:I've never seen one. How much is that? It was, well, 1,000 grams, so it is a kilogram. So how many pounds in a kilogram? You're the math guy. I don't deal with the metric system, I'm a goddamn American. I have to ask Roger Anyway $50,000 to $60,000 for a kilo.
Speaker 3:These guys making 10 million a week, a month, whatever, Just that kind of money in the 70s can you imagine? I can't imagine.
Speaker 2:Man, that's even before Biden's economy, right.
Speaker 3:That's back when you get that's when you mentioned Biden, he pops into this story.
Speaker 2:Well, I was gonna say I'm sure he was still in office back then.
Speaker 1:You can get a hamburger, fries, Coke, whatever back then, probably like a dollar. Yep, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Do you mean like Coke yeah, it was that big back then at the McDonald's Like can I get a hamburger fries and a Coke Coke? Yeah right.
Speaker 2:Liquid or powder, sir yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2:Well, if you stick around long enough in the drug business, you're bound to get discovered. In April 1975, a joint NYPD and DEA investigation named Operation Banshee resulted in the indictment of Griselda and more than 30 of her subordinates on federal drug conspiracy charges. This was the biggest cocaine case in history. At the time, Griselda was a step ahead of the authorities, of course. By the time the indictment had been issued, she and her three sons had made their way to Columbia to lay low for a while and for her to catch up with Alberto on some unfinished business. Now understand that Alberto had made it a regular habit of spending most of his time at their production plant in Columbia. And let's just say that distance didn't make the heart grow fonder In Griselda's case. It made her grow more and more distrusting of her husband.
Speaker 2:Griselda's own extravagant lifestyle fueled her suspicions that Alberto was stealing money from their operation. Simply, if he was spending as lavishly as she was, he must be stealing. No, Indeed, the couple's relationship was so fractured that when she arrived in Columbia, both she and Alberto were accompanied by their own body guards. When they met at a nightclub in Bogota, the meeting was tense. Not long into it, a shootout commenced, Alberto managed to land an Uzi blast to Griselda's stomach, wounding her, but Griselda was clearly a better shot, as she managed to kill Alberto with a shot to the head. In addition to Alberto, six bodyguards were killed in the melee. Griselda had now officially cemented herself as the head of her drug empire.
Speaker 1:So that's one thing in the show that they depicted totally different that interaction with the Is that right? Yeah, so in that, as this show starts on Netflix, it starts with her living in Columbia at this time and living an extravagant lifestyle. And they have a. I guess they make it sound like he made her sleep with his brother to pay off a drug debt and she gets so pissed at him she just can't deal with it. She goes and shoots him at a club but there's no bodyguards around.
Speaker 2:Did you watch the show? Yeah, that's horseshit. I can tell you that nobody is making Griselda do anything she doesn't want to do, let alone sleep with her husband's brother, who thinks this shit up. I know Hollywood does?
Speaker 3:You're making 10 million a week, man, you ain't got to do that shit.
Speaker 2:I have a feeling they want to make it amazingly, for whatever reason. I'm thinking that maybe they wanted to make Griselda look like a victim, or maybe like a good person.
Speaker 3:Maybe. Well, that's A lot of shows do that. They try to get you into the character right away, or something like oh, I feel bad for her, that's fake news.
Speaker 2:I don't want to even watch this Netflix thing and to be clear, anyone, everyone, I have not seen this series Already. I don't want to watch it.
Speaker 1:It's good, I think it's good, I think after reading and going through all this you'll pick out all the inconsistencies. Sure, but it's entertainment. There are a lot of things that they did true to what we're going to hear here, but here in this story, I mean, that part right there stood out to me right away when I yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like, well, that didn't happen that way. Yeah, I was also thinking they were trying to do two bases. They were trying to do something in Miami and something in Columbia still. But they said, alberto, with all that kind of money, him living there, they're jet-setting back and forth. Sure, yeah, he had his ladies and Griselda heard some rumors about that. For sure. She was not happy.
Speaker 2:For sure. And as we go on, we're going to find that that was actually commonplace in all of her relationships. Mm-hmm, she had no problem messing around and she understood that. It's just the business. These are people that let's be again. Just a general reminder this woman grew up in the slums of Columbia and she was a prostitute. She's going to do, and was a prostitute. She's going to do anything and everything she needs or wants to do to get up, to move on, to move up to that next level, to get one over.
Speaker 3:But yeah, saying the next level too, she was in a shootout with bodyguards and there's Uzi Blast going everywhere.
Speaker 2:With her husband, but this is something that. Her husband was the target. That's the best part.
Speaker 3:You couldn't even imagine. And then she had enough, I guess Cajones. But she's a woman to go, and I think this is how the lore of the legend started growing on this woman. Girl power, yeah. To be shot in the stomach and still to go up to her husband and shoot his face off. So that's, and I think she had a 38 is what I read.
Speaker 2:Yeah, strap to her inner thigh. That's crazy, that's wild as hell. So just to be clear what I just explained about the death of her husband she shot her husband. It is widely known, that is. You go to any decent source, that's the story. But the show makes it out that she just got revenge on him for making her sleep with his brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in the show they I don't really get that Like it was something along that line. Well, they had a debt that he owed to his brother, I remember that part. And he goes to her like look, you used to do this for a living, it's not a big deal, just go and sleep with him.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And he's always had a thing for you and she went and did it and then I guess I forget exactly from the show if there was something else going, but that was like the main drive was like if you do that to me, you don't care about me.
Speaker 3:That's my stuff and I love me and all that. And to give a shout out to the show, though, is I like the way that it was done. In Spanish.
Speaker 1:You're reading it's all subtitled.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's mostly all subtitled because, no, no, I'm definitely not watching it, but no, but sometimes you go to see these German guys. They're talking like you know, they have these bad German accents. Just speak German if they're supposed to be in Germany. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I dug that about that the whole thing was done well. Authenticity, although it wasn't really authentic, I guess.
Speaker 3:Not even close. No.
Speaker 2:But after the murder, griselda and her sons returned to the States in the late 70s, and this time they set up shop in Miami, where the local cocaine trade was thriving thanks to a network of recently arrived Cuban refugees. Miami in the 70s was the gateway to Latin America and it became a magnet for the criminal underworld of narcotics. Griselda wasn't very good at sharing. She wanted nothing to do with being just a player in the vast game. She wanted to own it, and so it was.
Speaker 2:In the late 70s, griselda and her enforcers went on a killing spree of rival dealers, the end goal being the elimination of all competition. Her approach was simple Kill everyone. If you bought drugs from her and didn't pay on time, she'd kill you. If she brought drugs from you and didn't feel like paying you, she'd kill you, and not just you Everyone around you, including innocent bystanders. Griselda's methods were extreme and certainly fueled what became known as the Miami drug war, but the violence paid off, and seemingly no time. Griselda ran a distribution network stretching from coast to coast, employing thousands of people, and was raking in well over 80 million dollars a month.
Speaker 3:Say that again, please 80 million dollars per month, quick math that is like close to a billion dollars a year. Diculous money, a billion a year.
Speaker 2:There is no doubt that her lavish lifestyle and over the top spending on everything from properties to a fleet of exotic cars was well funded.
Speaker 3:Now people think like Taylor Swift is like baller these days. This lady had, like Zapp said, exotic car Like should we get cars, get drunk at like parties and shoot up her cars.
Speaker 2:You can't imagine nothing else to do. You can't imagine the amount of this cash. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 3:Five, six private jets, like you're talking. She had two, three houses. She had a place in New York, she had a place in Miami, a place in Los Angeles, like this.
Speaker 1:Here's the crazy thing, though, so I found this website. It was a list of 20 richest drug dealers of all time.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:She ranks number nine. What. At two billion. Number one is Pablo Escobar. I think he was like 30 billion. He owned the country, he owned.
Speaker 3:And in Ireland he owned the country For governor and some shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but just to put it in perspective, they put her value at two billion. So I mean it's a lot of money and I don't know if that's back then money or if that's, you know, on the current, but yeah, number one and then right behind her number 10, which I don't even know how they equate this to drug dealing. But they put Al Capone on there at 1.2 billion, but I guess cause at the time alcohol was an illegal substance.
Speaker 3:They considered dealing illegal substances but this was in like the thirties, though Capone was thirties.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they based his story a Scarface on well, the name Scarface.
Speaker 2:I wonder if any of that was adjusted for inflation and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you wonder about that.
Speaker 3:Oh, go ahead Sorry.
Speaker 1:One other quick thing too, on the. You talked about the Cuban refugees. So at the time there was a, it was called the Matt.
Speaker 3:Again on the pronunciation it starts with the M right there.
Speaker 1:Mariel Boatlift Castro, I guess at the time sent it was like 125,000 refugees. Hey, if you want to go to the States, here you go.
Speaker 2:We're going to send you over Viva Fidel.
Speaker 1:Right. So of those 125,000, the majority of them were like criminals. They just got out of prison. You know basically the bad people. So they come over and they're looking for work and they're looking for this kind of work. So she was able to tap into that market and these people did not give a fuck, they were just like shooting up, they didn't care.
Speaker 3:She was her army and she was like nice to these people too, like she would give them money, she would take care of them if they needed anything. They also said like she was responsible for over, I think, 200 or some murders. At the time I read the same yeah, and it was said that some of the corners, like there was bodies like just every day and like the heat in Miami that they would have to rent refrigerated trucks, stinky, to put the bodies in, because there was just so many of them before they could even get to the autopsies.
Speaker 1:They said I think the one number I heard that at one point before she was active it was like a hundred homicides a year and it jumped to 400. So that's a pretty big jump.
Speaker 2:So to be clear and Matt was, you know, I read the same thing about the 200. My understanding is that that 200 is at her hand Like she was the killer she actually did it. This has nothing that that excludes anyone that she directed to be killed.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't hear that. I thought I thought, like she had her army would just go out and like shoot places up or just take people out. I didn't know. Wow, 200.
Speaker 2:So 200 is just her. There was more than that by virtue of her enforcers, by virtue of the same you know, like go kill these guys. Go kill those guys.
Speaker 3:Because I knew in the seventies, this is where she was kind of um, what was the one movie with? Uh, who's the Scarface? No, the black actor, he was.
Speaker 2:Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 3:No, he was uh dealing drugs back and forth from Vietnam.
Speaker 2:Oh uh, american gangster.
Speaker 3:American gangster starring uh.
Speaker 2:Denzel yes.
Speaker 3:When then it was kind of like around that time where she was always in in the shadows, but at this point in the seventies, where she just had you know a billion dollars a year, she started like showing up at studio 54. She was throwing like these crazy parties she would have like orgies, she would threaten like prostitutes, like I'm going to kill you if you don't do this. So they were just like this lady had money you could. I couldn't even understand.
Speaker 2:And some, yeah, and some wild ass fetishes. Like Matt just scratched the surface. Like the orgies were just the start. Like the what went on in these orgies and how long these orgies lasted. Like understand, cocaine will keep you up for a long time.
Speaker 3:But they were saying too, like it wasn't the cocaine also, she was also getting into, like people were starting to mess with crack.
Speaker 1:Crack is whack. Crack is whack In the show they depict that. Yeah, and that's. I read that she was.
Speaker 3:yeah, she was starting to get on the pipe a little bit. Yeah, Crack is whack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her judgment. Yeah, lead at crack alone, all right. Well, despite the busyness associated with being the godmother of the cocaine world, griselda found the time to marry her third husband, dario Sepulveda, in 1978. Dario, for fuck's sake, dario, dario.
Speaker 1:Dario.
Speaker 2:So, like Mario with a D, exactly Fine. Dario Sepulveda in 1978. What did I say? Dario, dario, okay, dario.
Speaker 3:No, it's Dario, Like Mario.
Speaker 2:Dario. Like Mario, the two went on to have a son together, michael Corleone Blanco. Wherever did she get that?
Speaker 2:And yes, they did name him after Al Pacino's character from the godfather Wow. You know there's a rule in the drug trade Get high on your own supply. Griselda must have missed that day in drug school, as her increased drug use fueled both her bloodlust for eliminating her competitors and her overall paranoia. Within only a few years, griselda's and Dario's relationship began to suffer due to her ongoing drug use and both of them frequently engaging in extramarital affairs. In fact, there was an instance where Griselda found Dario in a compromising position with a number of hookers. Griselda herself shot eight of them.
Speaker 2:Dario knew that the drug business was no place. He'd wanted his son to be Desperate to start anew. He begged Griselda to cash out, leave everything behind and start a new life where no one would know who they are. Griselda refused all but laughing at the idea of deserting the empire she'd created. In 1983, dario left Griselda and returned to Columbia, taking Michael with him. It didn't take long for Griselda to exact her revenge. One day, while on his way to the home of his mother where he and Michael were temporarily living, dario was executed. His son, michael, witnessed his own father shot to death by two hitmen disguised as police who intercepted their car.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's pretty brutal there.
Speaker 2:But she don't mess around, man, she does not mess around.
Speaker 1:They depict that in the show as well. When he tries to get the son, he's like I don't want him to grow up in this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he didn't need that.
Speaker 1:And they talked about it and I'm sure at that time it's like when's enough money, enough, like you can walk away from this and you don't need to live this life anymore Shit.
Speaker 2:yeah, you've got enough.
Speaker 1:But I think she was just so, I guess, money and power hungry that you just don't, you can't stop. I don't know how people can Like I wouldn't be able to live like that, looking over your shoulder all the time and all that, if you could get money and just get out and be done.
Speaker 3:Well, remember I think they had it in the show with her first husband his name Carlos Trujillo, trujillo Carlos. This is where she just started building up her empire, just a little bit, and I guess some of the main cartels from Columbia remember they came over and said, hey, we want you out, we don't want a woman running. They didn't really respect her at all, so I remember they offered her like $15, $20 million. To walk, to stop. Yeah, and this was in like the 70s $15 million in the 70s.
Speaker 1:That's good money. And even her associate was like take it. Yeah, she was pissed at her. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3:He was like her accountant type dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's like look.
Speaker 1:Her zap.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Her consuliety yeah.
Speaker 3:And he was like look, this is 15 million, we can go to Columbia, we can go to Cuba, we can go anywhere we want in the world and live like kings. Let's just do it.
Speaker 2:This is 15 million in the 70s.
Speaker 3:Right, 15 million cash in the 70s yeah, man, you don't have to go back to somewhere to get it's not in a bank or anything, it's like your cash. And she was like fuck that. She's like I can make that in a day. She's like I don't want it.
Speaker 1:She could see the vision, yeah.
Speaker 3:But this is when she was young, like she was even in the game and like she was like no way, I don't want it. And the guy's like you're crazy, you so crazy. Yeah, pretty much You're Louis Loco, but I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine you don't even know, nope. Did you guys mention the thing in Time Magazine, or is that in the story?
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, wait. Was she the woman of the year? Pretty much she was, so it was her and Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3:No, but this is when all those murders were being ordered, like you said, like people were just dying nonstop in Miami.
Speaker 2:No cops looking for murder Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like two in the morning shit, but there was like beheading stuff on the street. There was so much violence that in 1981 Time Magazine publishes a story with a cover Paradise Lost and it was all about the cocaine wars in Miami.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and there was a thing called the Miami drug war. Yeah, like that show, miami Vice. Yeah, that was inspired by real, true life events. Like the drug thing was really fucking bad. Those two were cool as shit, shit yeah, crockett and Tugs. They invented being able to wear a sport coat over top of a t-shirt. Oh. I have.
Speaker 3:Going through this, I came across not El Chapo, not who's the other guy, Pablo Escobar.
Speaker 2:El.
Speaker 3:Guapo. Well, el Chapo and Pablo were the two main dudes that people hear about. They don't really hear about Blanco that much, but he had Escobar, had three hit men that looked just like us. Get the what I have a picture Like I will show you guys.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. I mean I gotta look at that one.
Speaker 5:It is the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life, that's cool as shit, and I was like wait is that?
Speaker 3:I thought they like took pictures of it like our podcast.
Speaker 2:Dude, dude. I'm curious as to whether the picture might be the three guys sitting on a table with microphones in front of them. That's wild as hell. That's cool. Wait, am I the guy in the middle?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, which one of them? I? You're over here. That's awesome, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I got. I need that picture yeah they were.
Speaker 3:They were his three men. Like these dudes killed everybody. Like they just didn't care. The guys like wearing like a fake Vornay shirt.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, matt, I would love for you to send a picture to us, and, dave, I would love if you use that picture as the cover One of the advertisements for this podcast.
Speaker 1:He's got blood on his pants, Dang blood on the sweats.
Speaker 3:That's a goddamn this guy kind of looks like Rico Rico Tubbs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's like my cousin or something right, so nobody can see that. No no they will but anyway, yeah, I just found that funny.
Speaker 2:That is cool, that is cool man. Remember Griselda's second husband, Alberto losing track. Yes, he got around Well.
Speaker 3:I was like to pop.
Speaker 2:Alberto had a nephew named Jamie and Jamie.
Speaker 3:Alberto had a whatever Jamie.
Speaker 2:Jamie and he learned that Griselda was responsible for his uncle's murder. Obsessed with revenge, jamie spent every waking moment plotting Griselda's assassination. Griselda learned of Jamie's intentions and also learned that he contracted with two gunmen he'd imported from Columbia to assist in her execution. Between her nephew's intentions to kill her, increased heat coming from the Miami day police department and federal Drug Enforcement Agency and that paranoia inducing drug habit of hers, griselda decided to take a break in 1984. Griselda fled to California, affording her the ability to lay low for a while and to tap into the West Coast drug market. The two assassins Jamie had hired followed her, as did the DEA. On the morning of February 20 1985, dea agents raided her California home where she lived with her son Michael and her mother Anna. Upon being taken into custody, she was held without bail. The indictment included conspiring to manufacture, import and distribute cocaine and after a swift trial in federal court, she was found guilty and sentenced to 15 years.
Speaker 1:They created a actually was your boy, reagan, and God bless you, Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 2:It was that's SENTAC. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they developed it for, like the war on drugs, because shit was just out of hand and that was like local police DEA agents. They all kind of worked together.
Speaker 3:What is the other one? I call it tobacco firearm. Yeah, atf, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they were obviously investigating. But they had, like in the show they depicted this way that they had somebody on the inside. It was kind of feeding them information like hey, so and so is meeting with SENTAC. So they would know, like, when those are the associates was meeting, they are. We got to take them out before they get too much information.
Speaker 2:So they had a rat in the thing.
Speaker 3:That was her travel agent, Maria Gutierrez.
Speaker 1:That girl in there. Yeah, but what?
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was a she. That was the lady that was sending all the prostitutes back and forth. Maria Gutierrez was the one that Griselda came to. They started putting heat on this Gaterrez girl.
Speaker 1:They started coming to her house and they messed up with something with their house. Yeah, on one of the stash houses.
Speaker 3:There was like they found 30, 30 to $50 million in cocaine, but inside the stash house they found that the house was registered to Maria Gutierrez. So when they came to her she's like I don't know anything about this freaking house. Like, what are you talking about? They're like, well, your name's on it. And then she's like, oh shit, and you started giving.
Speaker 1:Oh, she, just, she just starts talking. Oh, that pressure from SENTAC plus other you know cartels you know were really weighing on her at the time. She was definitely, at least in the show they depicted that way again, like it's, it's never enough.
Speaker 2:You can only get so goddamn big Right. I don't know, man, that's just what I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3:Her, her everyday life. I think it was running like her, planes, like boats, whatever they were doing, whatever they could from, like the drugs going the main part in Miami to New York, new York to Chicago, chicago to LA, and this was going on every day like just to get that kind of cocaine to the market.
Speaker 2:It's an entire economy. Yeah, it is an entire economy and it's crazy A whole sub economy of the existing economy. It's nuts, I can't wrap my head around it. Oh well, the train never stops. Just because she was in prison didn't mean that Griselda's days as one of the biggest drug kingpins were over. Business carried on while Griselda was in prison. Her enemies hit her when they could, even killing her son, Osvaldo in 1992. But the godmother kept up with her role. While in prison, Griselda was introduced to a young man not a prisoner named Charles Cosby. True story.
Speaker 1:I'm waiting for it, I'm not even.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 3:I'll do it later on.
Speaker 2:He was a petty street hustler who was awestruck and inspired by Griselda's ability to move such massive amounts of product and rise to the level to which she'd risen. The two became close and ultimately became lovers. Charles, who became tasked with keeping up with distributors, had earned the trust of Griselda to run much of her multi-billion dollar business while she remained in prison.
Speaker 1:Billion. Yeah, so that Cosby, charles Cosby. There's two good documentaries Co-King Cowboys 1 and 2. And Co-King Cowboys 2 really goes into detail with his Cosby's. He's on the documentary talking about his relationship with her and how he met her. It was really cool to see how that all went down. He caught that on the news, like her incarceration and all that, and was infatuated Like, oh my God, I can't believe how much cocaine she's moving.
Speaker 3:Yeah please, it's like all turned on, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:It was literally like he was talking like that. So he was a small-time drug dealer. He wrote her a letter basically saying how much I admire you, and she got the letter, wrote him back and then it turned into phone calls which later turned into visits.
Speaker 2:I had found that when a female there was a mutual friend. So he had a female friend that had confided in him and said that she had once worked as a runner for Blanco. So again he's back and forth with this and he asked her to reconnect with Blanco and to his surprise she did. Blanco was like sure, I'll meet the guy. He actually said this friend of Cosby's of Charles has said to his woman, or the girl said to him, she told Griselda, I know a young black guy who wants to get in contact with you. And Griselda said yeah, sure, tell him to get in touch. And that's when the pen pals and all that good shit came in.
Speaker 2:Bring me the coke. That's exactly what I was waiting for. I knew it wasn't going to last for too long.
Speaker 3:No, I couldn't hold it.
Speaker 2:The pot was starting to bubble over there. It was just boiling out.
Speaker 3:But what is this? Cocaine cowboys? Could I keep seeing it? Every time I look at Griselda Blanco, they always no, I have not. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1:So part one is the deal is dealing with pilots that were flying cocaine into Miami, I guess probably around the same time.
Speaker 3:Would this be more like Escobar into El Chapo or is this like the Escobar?
Speaker 1:Cocaine Cowboys. One was, I think, either at the beginning of Escobar or during her time it was kind of like that end of her time at the beginning of cocaine.
Speaker 1:Cocaine Cowboys is showing you the development of Miami, how these high rises are going up. And it's all drug money, the banks. They got to build more banks because there's all this money coming in and the local economy is booming off of all these drugs. So that's cocaine cowboys one, cocaine cowboys two is all from this Cosby's perspective. He's interviewed on the whole thing and he's talking about his interactions with Griselda and there's one story on there that really got me. He was having a relationship with her. They were having sexual intercourse in prison. She would pay $1,500 to the guard to basically look the other way. So I can take this guy in this back room.
Speaker 2:It was the back room. It was back of the multi-purpose room.
Speaker 1:Multi-purpose room. So he was in there hooking up with her and stuff like that. She opened up her empire to him like hey, I'm gonna connect you with drugs.
Speaker 3:That sounds like a yeah, she opened her empire, yeah so he had that going.
Speaker 1:He's getting big time now. He's got a Corvette, he's got cars, you got money, everybody know me. So he goes and he meets his girl. Why he's visitor and prisoners is blonde girl in there and she slips him his phone number. Her, I'm sorry, she slips him her phone number.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:He calls her and they have started having a relationship. Oh God, so one day, or are?
Speaker 3:they having the conjugal visits also? Or well, she's not, she's not in prison.
Speaker 1:She was visiting in a relative in prison.
Speaker 3:So she's out free. So they're conjugaling all over the place.
Speaker 1:All right so the one day he's driving and driving home and there's a Drive-by shooting attempt on him and he gets shot at and actually takes a bullet in the arm. So he knows this is probably coming from gazelle. No, he had a phone that he kept. It was a cell phone. Now, this is back in the early 90s. It's when I'm like flip phone, motorola, whatever looking things. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:It was only she was the only one that had the number Griselda. So the one day they were in his room bedroom, him and this blonde girl, and the phone ring, oh God, and she's like she picks it up and answers it and gives it to him and he's like what did you do that? You? Know, and she's like Charlie killed me.
Speaker 1:She's like Charles, do you know what Loyalty is there? Something like that. And he's like yeah, of course you know. And she's like well, why are you doing me like this? He's like what are you talking about? He's like you're with that blonde girl right now and this and that he's like what are you talking about? And she goes go open your blinds. He opens the blinds and there's two dudes and like a car out there.
Speaker 1:Oh like Looking in on him, jesus Christ, basically like she had eyes on them at all times. And and then the car drove off real slow. But you could tell like she's, like I could have you killed right now she's for damn sure what she had so much power just from prison and and this guy's perspective it's a great, great show and it goes into a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2:I love the way that it's filmed. It's like a discovery channel show, so you're, you're really see like the live people, like there's some dramatic to it, but With absolute historical accuracy. Oh yeah, definitely go check that out. It's that there's no artistic liberties taking, they're just telling the story.
Speaker 1:Did you get to see the cook?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I didn't, I didn't see to.
Speaker 1:I saw.
Speaker 3:What always gets me is these like relationships that are like these budding relationships from in prison. Hmm like the last, the last. Who do we just talk about last week or two weeks ago?
Speaker 1:I can't remember Chipsy Rose.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she her husband. She met in prison.
Speaker 2:Oh good old. 82.
Speaker 3:And like Bundy, all these like murderers. They all get like girlfriends wives from prison right. Yeah, that's where you meet your your loved ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's also another thing. I'll get into it when we're done with this, but an interesting story now. This is from this Cosby We'll talk about at the end, but this is crazy. If it's true, I'll save it for the end. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:This little foreshadow there that that Cosby thing was amazing when they actually so after the pen pal, basically like you know back and forth between those two. They finally met at the prison and when they met that she was all over him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like this. So this super, just long, passionate kiss, and then, when they finally sat down, like they got down to business, I know, so he so.
Speaker 3:So she was doing, she was doing drugs with Cosby.
Speaker 2:Oh shit yeah he says to her, she actually says to him so how much do you need? Oh, he doesn't know what to say, so he said um, I don't know, 50 keys. She just simply nodded and the meeting was over, like it's easy. Three days Later, the doorbell rang at Cosby. Now she is in prison. Three days later, the doorbell rang at Cosby's house. When he answered, some Latino woman showed up and she had two packages and she said I have a delivery from the godmother and that was the 50 keys right there. Damn, within a month this, within a month of meeting her, of meeting Griselda. Cosby was a millionaire. Oh, easy, yeah, absolutely a millionaire. And again, he certainly paid Like that he would do the 1500 bucks for the, you know, for the slappy. While he was there and dude.
Speaker 2:All this guy had to do. You know when you say he was allowed into her empire. All he had to do was fly around the country and meet with distributors. That's all he had to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had like ports and stuff like here.
Speaker 3:Every time in. New York.
Speaker 2:What a great job every time he shook somebody's hand he made a million dollars. I mean, she was, he was basically her protege.
Speaker 1:And the thing was like her associates did not like it at all.
Speaker 3:He looked like millie vanilli, didn't he?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no he uh, he, uh, he's early days. No, he did have a jerry curl thing oh yeah, no, but he like I'm looking at him now.
Speaker 3:No, today I seem like, yeah, he was like sitting. He wears like the cool sunglasses. Yeah, he looks like he made money.
Speaker 1:He had like the long, but it was straight hair. It was kind of a cool look he had like a tracksuit on when he was younger he was only 18, 19. I think when he was hooking up with her and then now he's being interviewed and cooking cowboys too. He's like probably 40s, you know what I mean. And he looks like master pee a little bit.
Speaker 3:Is he still?
Speaker 1:alive? Yeah, a matter of fact in this grisetta documentary. Yeah, he refused to be. Like he said, do not put anything about me in this.
Speaker 3:Yes, he was, yeah, he wasn't he wasn't mentioned.
Speaker 2:You're saying in the netflix, you know that's what people were saying.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's true or not. But, he's not mentioned at all in the grisetta series on netflix. I mean they ended it.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, they left a lot. They left the later part of, they left her jail time pretty much out of it in the yeah well, meanwhile the feds knew there was more to grisetta's criminal history than just shifting drugs.
Speaker 2:I mean, just how big is this drug cartel? And were the stories of her involvement in seemingly countless murders true? It didn't take much for the dea to turn grisetta's most trusted enforcer whore, hey, rivi Ayala. At the time, he was facing life in prison for the murders of three people, all of whose executions were ordered by grisetta. Not long after Charles Cosby was shaken down by the feds too, but just as swiftly as the feds built their case, it all came crashing down. After giving his deposition, charles alleged he'd had sex with one of the secretaries from the state attorney general's office. And to add fuel to that fire, the same secretary actually engaged in an extended phone sex affair with rivi. With the prosecution's two prime witnesses now discredited, the case against blanco collapsed when all was said and done. Grisetta pled guilty to three counts of second-degree murder and was sentenced to 20 years, which was to run concurrently with what remained of her 15-year sentence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that ayala he or whore. Hey, you know rivi or whatever rivi he's, he's. Uh, damn it matt. I wish you would have corrected me. That's okay. What did I say wrong?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, you didn't say anything wrong. I did. I called him rivi, oh.
Speaker 1:Is it? It's rivi, rivi, okay, anyway, either way, but he's on, hey, he's on that.
Speaker 3:Uh, he said whore hey, right, whore hey, that's my dad's name.
Speaker 2:That's the name of my landscaper. He names are spelled the same damn.
Speaker 3:Look at you. Are you selling coke, jesus?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:He's on that documentary to cooking cowboys too from prison, yeah, which is cool to hear his perspective and stuff on stuff. But, um, yeah, he, like I said that guy in in the show and the grisetta show they show that whole phone sex thing with the secretary and stuff he's like touch your breasts, I put them in my mouth. They made that dude like real good looking on the Netflix show.
Speaker 3:He kind of looked like um oh the one killer.
Speaker 1:It's the 70s.
Speaker 2:None of these guys looked good, no, but no no show they, you know even her.
Speaker 1:They made her like really, really hot.
Speaker 3:It's so fia yeah she didn't look like that.
Speaker 2:Look this grisetta broad looked nothing at all like. So fia viagra, I promise you promise you.
Speaker 3:But uh, the revie was um, they had him. He actually went in to turn her in, remember they caught him. It's like he's gonna do Life and he actually worked the way around because he, he pretty much became her confidant towards the, towards the end there.
Speaker 2:Well he was. He was her most trusted enforcer, like he was her muscle, like if she needed a button pushed, he was the guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah and he like became so yeah, so closer towards the end. He was the one that was actually still sticking around where everybody was like kind of just getting out of there.
Speaker 2:Just instant yeah, cuz they knew they were gonna get busted?
Speaker 3:Did Cosby jet too?
Speaker 2:what he?
Speaker 1:Putting pop Well, like you said, or is that coming up? The? Yeah, I don't know is he got the dea basically came in and Arrested him or took him?
Speaker 2:in the costume. Oh yeah, so yeah. So the shake done already happened. Okay, so yeah, again, I had mentioned so, just as their case would build it, it had whatever it had fallen apart. Uh, in fact. So Revy had done that thing with whatever that same chick. Charles Cosby alleged he had done some sexy stuff with her, and their their whole case just Collapsed, went down. There was zero credibility left of the witnesses.
Speaker 1:He talked about that on that documentary. He they were in like they sent him to Florida and he was like I don't really want to go to Florida because she's got connections down there. I don't want to get killed.
Speaker 2:She's connections everywhere bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But like I guess he felt really In harm's way down there because because that's where she's from and the cartel being down there. When he was down there he was staying at a like a hotel with police and in there around them and stuff In this secretary, I guess when he was in with the lawyers and whatever passed him in a hallway and this guy I mean he's telling from his perspective- this guy's Rico.
Speaker 2:This is Revy Swabbe.
Speaker 1:Yes, once again this girl puts her phone number in his, in his hand, and was like you know, I want, you know, I've always wanted to.
Speaker 3:This guy's a pimp. Gracias senora yeah, so she.
Speaker 1:She either had this girl if she's doing phone sex with uh Rivi and and then smashing this Cosby guy, she had a thing for bad boys, I guess.
Speaker 3:He just lonely at the time. What are you gonna?
Speaker 1:do Dang. She said he came in her, she came there.
Speaker 3:Oh, hey come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she came into his room with like a trench coat or like a coat on, took it off and had like crotchless panties.
Speaker 3:Or, like I don't even know, they made those in the 70s, early 80s, but uh yeah, he.
Speaker 1:He depict that he was telling it and they were doing like a cartoon version.
Speaker 3:Now did we talk about good.
Speaker 1:It was real good Jesus.
Speaker 3:Did we talk about how, like the, where they came to the um, to the motel?
Speaker 1:Hotel motel.
Speaker 3:Do we get that part, or did you mention that tap? No, I didn't say shit about anything about it where she knew where the cartel was coming to assassinate her.
Speaker 1:See there again. That was in the show. Uh-huh but here, that's not how that shit went down.
Speaker 3:But see they're saying like it wasn't in a mix of that. No not at all Is this where they they had the dea coming to her house and say, uh, greselda, you're coming. She's like, oh, I'm not greselda, I'm betty, or something like that. Whoa.
Speaker 2:Wow, netflix, you suck. He really took a lot of artistic liberties there.
Speaker 2:Greselda was at this john in california like at her house, right it's just out of this easy going bungalow with her mother hanging out, and then the just the dea just broke down the door one day like she was being chased by Not only the guess. This goes back now we're going back a little bit. She was being chased and followed by the dea and Two assassins that were hired by Jamie Alberto's okay, nephew that wanted to get exact revenge in the netflix show.
Speaker 1:It's the achoa cartel. They came after On the show, the achoas they were coming to like kill her. And she's basically like I'm gonna turn myself in. Is they can't get me if I'm in prison? That's on the show which is not yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 3:But the true story is, I think, like what's app, said the dea agents, and I saw that because they go Greselda blanco, you're coming with us and she's like I'm me, I'm a betty, oh.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just the maid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right she was like uh, my name, my name's betty, and they were like no, we got, we got fingerprints. You're under arrest. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Now, so I can. I guess I can see that that what it made sense for her like to to to basically say you know what? The fact that I'm I've always got a target on my back, I've always got a look you know behind me what's going on. Sure, fuck it, I'm not gonna fight you. Yeah, take me to prison, mm-hmm. I mean maybe that was enough was enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm done, I would have shit, shit.
Speaker 2:Thanks to a lifelong love of smoking cigarettes, greselda was released from prison in june 2004 and was deported to columbia. She'd had a heart attack in 2002 and was granted compassionate release in 2004. She'd been certain to squirrel money away during all of her years in the drug trade, and she had plenty of money waiting for her upon her return to her native land. Life was good for greselda, now out of the drug trade and she was now in her golden years and enjoying a life of leisure. On september 3rd 2012, while leaving a local butcher shop in medellin, greselda was gunned down by a lone assassin on a motorcycle. She was 69 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they said her pregnant daughter-in-law was with her.
Speaker 2:I did read that. Yeah, when she was there at the uh Didn't include that, because I wasn't sure who's wife it was like. Was it Michaels or was it one of her other sons?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Well, the other three sons, they were all gunned down and killed too, they were they were all there's very maybe. Maybe they're not, so they would disappear, who knows? I did, it took some money and run well.
Speaker 2:They zappy-slappy deep. Dive on that one well, they said.
Speaker 1:The daughter-in-law, when she got shot and was laying on the ground dying at the darn law, placed a Bible on her chest.
Speaker 3:She was laying there like having her last breast yep they also said that a Grisota was the one that made up it. Ironic that the motorcycle assassination was her idea.
Speaker 2:Heard that yeah, she, she basically came up with that yes when she was running it and pushing buttons, tell, hey, go kill this guy. This, go kill this guy.
Speaker 3:And here's the easiest way to do it just ride by on a motorcycle and shoot the dude again in the early 70s and say there was no like today, you couldn't get away with that stuff, they'd see you right away. But back then there was no cameras everywhere, they just truth. That was a quick way to do it and go hell yeah, the whole thing with the motorcycle, they said.
Speaker 1:In Columbia especially there was a lot of traffic and gridlock on a motorcycle. You couldn't get stuck in traffic, that's correct up on the side while I get around there were times where these guys would do it in a car and it gets stuck there, yeah, and then the police come and you're just sitting there and traffic you can see that anywhere over in the Middle East, like Beirut, whatever.
Speaker 3:Like that shit happens all the time all the time, yeah, but going back to my three sons there, or the four to know today, like the only one is that I know of living, is Michael Corleone and he still has like a podcast. He's out there all you got like his own line of clothing. Oh, really yeah, like this guy's, like baller all right, how old is he Michael? 48 50 he's younger than us, for sure late 40s, early 50s, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah all right. So I got, I did some digging on the kids and here's what I got. So if you see anywhere or you hear or read anywhere that Griselda didn't want her kids in the business, that's a fucking lie. She wanted to build an empire, a family like a mafioso. She wanted a family business, something to pass this on. Her kids were in this from the gate, all of them, and they thrive. They all did well. Eventually, griselda's first three sons were apprehended by the police. Each of them was given a 10-year sentence and ended up in federal prison in of all places, lewisburg, pennsylvania. There they came into contact with a drug trafficker named Raphael Matt. How do you pronounce RAYFUL? Let me see it Rayful.
Speaker 3:RAYFUL yeah, raffle okay, raffle.
Speaker 2:They came in raffle ticket, raffle ticket. So there they came into contact with a drug trafficker named raffle, edmond the third, or just Edmond, in 1990. Now Edmond, who was arrested in 1989, had imported drugs from the Kali cartel. As soon as Griselda's boys came into contact with this dealer, they quickly formed an alliance and started making deals within the prison itself. Then, around 1992, dixon, uber and Osvaldo were paroled and were deported to Columbia. But they stayed in contact with this Edmond dude and continued working with him while importing more than a thousand kilos of cocaine. Now back in Columbia, the Blanco brothers believed they could continue their mother's legacy, but unfortunately they didn't have the means to do so. These boys were vulnerable and were without support.
Speaker 2:Osvaldo while making a drug deal in Columbia. Osvaldo was killed in 1992 in a Columbia nightclub. Within a few months of his release from federal prison. It was said that he was gunned down by a commando of four men in the center of Medellin, uber. In an interview Edmond that guy that they'd made they'd been in prison confirmed that he continued dealing with uber and Dixon after Osvaldo's death. No evidence exists confirming the exact date, time and cause of uber's death. It is assumed that he died during a drug deal gone bad before his mother's death and now the third one of the og boys, dixon, now again prison, deported to Columbia. He left Columbia after Osvaldo's death and most likely hid himself somewhere in the United States. Despite hiding from everyone else, griselda always knew his whereabouts but never, ever ever, publicly shared any information about it. At the time of Griselda's shootout slash death on September 3rd 2012, dixon was still alive and, at this point, living in Columbia. This was confirmed by Miami filmmaker Billy Corbin for your cocaine cowboys first, one.
Speaker 2:There you go years later he was from smashing pumpkins close, close, okay, almost, almost, almost you guys confuse me sometimes years later. Griselda's youngest son, michael Corleone, stated during an interview that all of his brothers were dead. Now this implies that Dixon died somewhere between September 3rd 2012 and the date of Michael's interview, so that's okay, yeah, but I, yeah, I heard the Maylene cartel they took, they took the, they took the three boys out yeah and the only one still alive is Corleone, because everybody's dead and old.
Speaker 3:Now they're in jail.
Speaker 2:They for damn sure got the two you're saying Dixon was still running around. I still think that Dixon was running around. I, for all I know, dixon is chilling with Elvis and Jim.
Speaker 3:I think, yeah, dixon was, I think, the craziest of the of the three boys, but what I wanted to get to about now.
Speaker 1:This isn't as cocaine cowboys too, and this is from Charles Cosby and he gave this in a maximum interview as well in the magazine. So, according to him, why she was in prison and she was getting antsy, like I need to get out, I need something to. I need leverage here. Yep, okay. The JFK hostage situation yep, so yeah. So, according to, she had a plot to kidnap JFK Jr and she actually sent four associates there to posing as a couple to to basically kidnap Kennedy, taking back to Columbia for basically ransom.
Speaker 2:I'll give you your son back if you get me out of prison you know, we'll give you Kennedy back.
Speaker 1:And they said. One of the FBI agents said if that would have happened, they would have gave Grisota, you know out letter out, basically to release Kennedy, but they would have turned over every, you know every stone, the finder and basically a raster after that went down but they were very close to actually the two.
Speaker 1:The two that were posing as a couple were out and Kennedy's apartment was in New York City. They were like out front kind of hanging around. He went out the walk, his dog, the dog went over to sniff the girls like you know, at her feet or whatever they were about to nab him, but there was a patrol car there yeah, oh so they you know the other side was not and I guess they just I don't know if it got called off then after that or what happened.
Speaker 3:I heard you got the bullet high on cocaine and turned magical yeah but suppose the Kennedy?
Speaker 1:they told him after this all went down, you know, and he wasn't really he wasn't faced, no, he was getting high off, for shit that's when it, that's when that it was called off like immediately.
Speaker 2:Like those guys saw that that squad car right there just chilling and they figured, oh holy shit. I mean I guess it makes sense. This is the son of a now dead president and he's a pretty popular guy. For sure he's probably gonna have you know cops or security or whatever looking out for him. And they, that's when they scrambled.
Speaker 1:It was off, it was absolutely off well, also during a phone conversation between Cosby and Grisota, they're all recorded. So they were talking about. This was coming up in their conversation.
Speaker 3:I don't know if it was in prison recordings or like yeah, prison reporting, yep, and.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was in code, but they got enough that the prison people alerted the FBI like, hey, you might want to look into this. I think this is about to happen and maybe that was part you know the reason to anyone in prison.
Speaker 3:What you're talking on those public phones there are all recorded. Yeah, it was bad heads up during that whole exchange.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you actually mentioned that during that whole exchange. Now Cosby will say he had no idea. I think he was actually playing dumb to get Grisota to actually say what she was saying more and what you. But this whole thing was simply. It started with she pulled this little slip of paper out of her bra and she gave it to Cosby.
Speaker 3:She was stuffing her bra again and it was there was basically seven characters on it.
Speaker 2:It was JFK 5M. And why? Which was JFK 5 million? New York? Cosby says to her what's that mean? She says Dixon, just give it to Dixon, he'll know it. And Cosby just kept. I think he kept, you know, trying to get more and more information out of her when it was all she wanted to do was give my son this piece of paper, for Christ's sake.
Speaker 1:Nope, he got it out of her and she had said yeah, no, look, I'm gonna move against Kennedy, the president's son well he had said on this cocaine cowboys to that, like that, when that was a possibility that he was like out to like American royalty. He's like I felt so, like he was petrified or to do that now that's what's crazy to me is like he's selling drugs. I'm sure there's stuff going on like murders and stuff around him and that's the one thing that got him. He was like I ain't fucking around with the Kennedys, you know what I mean he was just like.
Speaker 1:I guess he figured they throw the book at him if that Kennedy's if that would have been good. Band holidays in Cambodia holiday in Columbia.
Speaker 2:Holiday in Cuba yeah, but. Viva.
Speaker 1:Fidel, mm-hmm. What else you guys got anything we missed on here that?
Speaker 3:no, I just thought I'd the money that this woman made. Honestly, I didn't. It took me a lot of figure like how much. I was like wow, she's making close to a billion dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I had around that. Yeah, that's like that's Bezos money, that that's not even.
Speaker 3:That's more than Bezos money that is yeah, nowadays, you know it's crazy yeah it's, I don't it. Just yeah, the it was, it was a fun story, as you would say. Is that local and they could base on local and I could?
Speaker 1:base. I know Zapp had mentioned the 80 million a month. 80 million a month and they were saying it was 300 like 950 million a year three tons of cocaine annually, and they had estimated her to have 600 people in her payroll at one time hmm, she made scarface of like a punk yeah, that just seemed like which, I think, even you said, even a number higher than that, maybe, so yeah, at one point she had fit.
Speaker 2:You got to think like there's the, there's a trickle down effect, so if, if she has, let's just use your number 600 well, okay, that's this many enforcers and maybe this many I don't know distributors. Well then, from there they're gonna go to dealers and the dealers are gonna have their enforcers and stuff like that. So I'm giving numbers, or I had given numbers that tried to encapsulate the whole ball that are maybe trickle down, yeah, yeah, so after that, 80 million.
Speaker 3:She's getting about 30 off the top there like there's no taxes. I couldn't even begin to think well, like you said no, cuz, what you guys are saying is true, there's, there's, you got your guys, do those guys got their guys, those guys got their guys, and so you get, you know, tony, out there on, you know, third of McClay selling the drugs yeah but everybody's getting a little piece of the pie, but the big part that's coming to her, like she's probably I don't know what to say she's making, but out of like the 80 million for that that month, she's probably getting like 25 30 out of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know how to, I don't know, the drug trade.
Speaker 2:I couldn't begin I.
Speaker 1:There's no way I couldn't even begin to think one interesting thing I heard on that cocaine cowboys too. So there were a lot of cause. Well, one guy in particular that was an associate of Cosby, and I'm sure this is something amongst most drug dealers they don't want to know too much, because he always felt like because then if you get you on the stand, rule that and the more you know, the like.
Speaker 1:Say he would have got busted, mm-hmm. And if these people above you know that you know the operation in and out, they feel like you're a threat. Now, sure these guys were. We're very much trying to like stay in the dark on a lot of stuff and not know the business inside. Now, like the less you know the better almost but yeah you don't know now.
Speaker 3:You know exactly nothing like the commercials we grew up with.
Speaker 1:As kids remember, like the more you know the star yeah where you know, and no way to have the battle yeah, that was jio spot on.
Speaker 2:We that late already? Wow, really, really, talking about the story. Time flies when you're having fun it does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was a good story. Like I said, I think it was a good one to cover, especially the time. You know that, with this show out right now, I think it was number one on Netflix mm-hmm numero uno.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is, it is hot, it's at más caliente right now. You guys want to check it out?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I did some searches on podcast on this and nothing really recent. Now that the Griselda show came out, there's a couple that are covering the Griselda show in particular. Dumb on Netflix, that fake news, yeah, but that is just amazing, like how much a show gets wrong. You know, we ran into that with Dahmer sure did some stuff?
Speaker 3:sure did. But yeah, if you, if you google her or check her out on YouTube, there's tons of different stories and stuff that pop up all like different. And other people have a ton of different stories, like I the what zap said about the kids. I don't even know all about that. I thought I thought they were done right as soon as they got out of jail yeah, definitely a good, good one.
Speaker 1:Glad we did that. We'll be back next week with a vintage cinema review. Got a couple cool movies we were looking at, so we'll definitely keep you updated on that yeah, please keep me updated yeah, yeah, right no, anything try to find something that's on max you didn't mean to have to pay for it, but yeah, I guess that's it. You guys got anything else?
Speaker 2:I got nothing yeah, no thanks.
Speaker 3:Thanks for the write-up thanks. Dave, that was good.
Speaker 1:Thanks for the memories, yeah, yeah, so I don't forget to leave that five star rating on Spotify. On Apple, leave us a written review and I guess that's it for now, so we'll catch you where on the flip side if we don't see you sooner we'll see you later pace.
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