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Ever found yourself tangled in a debate over the true title of "First Blood"? Prepare to have that and more cleared up as we embark on a journey through the 1982 action classic that introduced us to the indomitable John J. Rambo. Travel back in time with us to the rugged, intense world of '70s and '80s action sequences, and discover how a certain Green Beret's survival tactics reshaped our understanding of on-screen heroes.
Get cozy and listen in as we share a heartfelt reflection on how the film's portrayal of law enforcement and the moral complexities of Colonel Trautman's character resonate with today's perspectives. Feel that twinge of claustrophobia with us as we connect personal experiences to Rambo's gripping mineshaft escape, and debate the ethics behind Trautman's manipulation of Rambo's fragile psyche. We'll also dive into the nostalgia pool with fun facts and memories that highlight the film's lasting impact on our childhood and the evolution of action heroes.
Wrap up your auditory adventure by speculating with us on the future of action cinema. Can today's Hollywood replicate the muscular charisma of '80s icons like Stallone, or are we witnessing a cultural shift in the portrayal of masculinity on the silver screen? We analyze this and more, pondering the legacy of Rambo and whether new faces could ever fill those combat boots. Tune in for a rich tapestry of analysis, personal anecdotes, and a salute to the action heroes who've kept our adrenaline pumping through the decades.
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Speaker 2:Is it Rambo or is it first blood?
Speaker 3:Oh, I guess we'll get into that later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll find out. We hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, leave that five star rating on Spotify. On Apple, you can leave a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy. From 1982, rambo.
Speaker 3:Hey, Dave, what do you have over there? The VCO, absolutely.
Speaker 1:This is your pick, Matt.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is it's first blood. It is.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Matt. Indeed, it is first blood. It is interesting to me specifically just because I've seen this happen in other movies. Where people will just call it they assume the first one is includes the name of the lead character. No the name of this movie is, in fact, first blood. The name Rambo was not incorporated to any other name of the movies until the second and thereafter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't even think of that. So when it first came out it was just called first blood.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Rambo at all. Not at all it wasn't until he became the star.
Speaker 3:That's all yeah, oh go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, that's it, and I think I know where you might be going next, matt.
Speaker 3:No, just saying that John and I were just talking about that. And then they started saying oh, it's Rambo. First blood part two.
Speaker 1:You were talking to John Rambo.
Speaker 3:No, John Jay Rambo.
Speaker 1:John Jay Zapp.
Speaker 3:Do you know what the J is for what Jerkoff?
Speaker 1:Jackass.
Speaker 3:I know, I didn't know, I just thought somebody would know.
Speaker 2:Is it John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt? His name is Rambo too, so this happens all the time. Obviously not all the time, but it happened with Indiana Jones. The first Indiana Jones movie which we will cover someday is called Raiders, the Lost Ark.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:The name Indiana Jones is nowhere in the title of that movie. It was not until Temple of Doom and thereafter that they started calling them Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Dr Jones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2:How about Cash Me Outside? That's it. How about?
Speaker 1:that Well, I'll only get into this one. So we have first blood.
Speaker 2:That's right. Yeah, rated R. There we are.
Speaker 1:This is rated R. No shock there. Release date on this October 22nd 1982, with a running time of 93 minutes. That's perfect, perfect run time in my opinion.
Speaker 3:You don't see that anymore. No, look at the Oscars. This year the running times were like three hours and 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:I know that's a perfect amount of time for this movie too. For this movie it's perfect.
Speaker 1:This was directed by Ted Kochev, screenplay by Michael Kozol, william Sackheim, sack Sacky and Sylvester Stallone I guess he was involved in that. This was based on a book by David Morel, first Blood, produced by Buzz Fight, shuns man. These are some tough names.
Speaker 3:Believe that Buzz Fight Shuns. Yeah right, Sounds like something for your. Some journey For your like, some foot care product.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. Buzz Fight Shuns. I like that Budget on this 15 million Box office 125.2 million Dang.
Speaker 2:Juices worth to squeeze on that first blood. That's a lot of ammo Dang.
Speaker 1:So as far as where this was filmed, it's supposed to take place in Hope Washington, which is like a fictitious town. Actually, they filmed it in British Columbia, yep.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Fraser Valley and they started filming November 15th of 81 and concluded April of 1982.
Speaker 2:Dan, they were filming in the cold Big time, like for damn sure it was cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, vancouver, that's right. Vancouver, british Columbia, that's the coldest of Canada, correct?
Speaker 2:I thought it was the East Coast.
Speaker 1:Maybe it is, I don't know. We have to ask one of our Canadian friends.
Speaker 3:Yeah, poor Rambo.
Speaker 1:Like most of this time he's just on like a t-shirt in this movie that comes into play later on in the movie Definitely will, Definitely will.
Speaker 2:So Vancouver, vancouver's left. Yeah, west Coast, yeah, okay. Well, there you go, there it is at West Coast.
Speaker 1:Pretty sure that we came up on another one. We asked that question. I think Nutley Nick, of all people, set us straight on that. We were talking about Bon Jovi in the studios and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Of course it takes Nutley Nick to know factowits about Canada.
Speaker 1:For sure, or Bon Jovi or Bon Jovi.
Speaker 2:That's Nutley.
Speaker 1:Who's not in this movie?
Speaker 2:But thank you, nutley, nick, thank you.
Speaker 1:As always. So I guess that's it for that. I'll turn it over to Zapp for the cast. All right?
Speaker 2:The cast of First Blood includes, but is not limited to, sylvester Stallone as John J Rambo, richard Crenna as Colonel Samuel Troutman, brian Dennehy as Sheriff William Teasel, bill McKinney as Captain Dave Kern, jack Sterrett as Deputy Sergeant Arthur Galt, michael Talbot as Deputy Balford, chris Mulkey as Deputy Ward, alf Humphries as Deputy Lester, david Caruso as Deputy Mitch Rogers, don McKay as Deputy Preston, david Crowley as Deputy Singleton, patrick Stack as Lieutenant Clinton Morgan and John McLean as Orville Kellerman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that David Caruso. He's from like CSI, right.
Speaker 3:Like CSI, he's been on there forever.
Speaker 1:I recognize him in the movie then.
Speaker 3:The red hair, a lot of deputies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Rambo shot the sheriff.
Speaker 2:But, as we'll find out, he did not shoot any deputies. No deputies, yes, very good.
Speaker 3:So, speaking of the movie First Blood, john J Rambo, I remember my dad like his action heroes, us growing up. We remember Sylvester Stallone, arnold Schwarzenegger, who was the guy from Death Wish, charles Bronson yeah, he looked like all my dad's friends growing up. Oh, yeah, sure, yeah, but it was the mustache. Yeah, but he was like their action hero at the time. Charles Bronson was yeah for like when my dad, you know, as he was getting like probably a little younger than our age.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:But Arnold and Stallone are the only ones that really stick out to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny like those are still the guys that I think of as action heroes For like any of these guys now that they want to push off as like action heroes.
Speaker 2:John Cena.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's alright.
Speaker 2:Bruce.
Speaker 1:Willis, whatever they're. Okay, bruce Willis, but he's more back in that era of die hard, that's in the 80s.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying, like that 80s time.
Speaker 2:Even Harrison Ford I can't kill, I can't call him an action hero. He was your action in Indiana Jones, but like you, ever watch him, so he does all of his own stunts. When you watch him move around and do whatever he does, he's not really coordinated, but he's just not an action guy.
Speaker 3:No, not to me, he's not I don't think like the Indiana Jones weren't very like in how we're thinking, like the action movies, then like he, like all the explosions, the guns firing everywhere, his was more of like a Disney, like a Disney type.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these guys Stallone, that era is always for me will be like the action star.
Speaker 3:Sure, but I'm trying to think Stallone, arnold, and who else was there? There was.
Speaker 1:Bronson, there was Chuck Norris, chuck Norris. Okay, I mean, yeah, we could sit down and go over all that, but there's a ton of them. Now I know my dad was a big James Cagney fan. That's old school. Yeah, I'm sure, but that's old school. But yeah, I guess that's it for the cast. So when we turn over to Matt for the beta max, copy of the back cover.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll switch it up. Look at beta max. Yeah check that out, that is cool.
Speaker 2:Check it.
Speaker 3:It's actually first blood. I can read really, really well because it's very large print. The rest, I might have to put on me glasses. First blood, giving his toughest performances since Rocky, sylvester Stallone stars as a larger than life super warrior in this gutsy action thriller filmed in the wilds of western Canada. He plays an ex green beret, a peacetime misfit haunted by memories of Vietnam, falling foul of an overzealous small town sheriff. All hell is let loose as he goes on the run. In the life or death manhunt that ensues, he will need his old skills to stay alive and out with his pursuers, the sheriff, his posse and more than 200 national guards. First blood, nice, that's pretty much the movie right there.
Speaker 3:That's it, that's yeah, guys should give it a watch.
Speaker 2:Fun fact within the past week or so was the first time I've ever seen first blood.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a God. I saw first blood to first. Actually this first blood part two. Right, but Rambo colon, first blood part two.
Speaker 1:Right Now. I did see this back in the day, but I remembered none of it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I was like for me the same thing, like kind of watching it over again.
Speaker 3:Not to be confused with hot shots part.
Speaker 1:Now that one I did see in the theater. That's fantastic, charlie.
Speaker 3:She was an animal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great. I love those comedy like Tiger blood, tiger blood winning Winning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Well, do we want to make our way through this? Yeah, let's hop into it, all right. So for my first time, this was actually quite good. Like I enjoyed the shit out of it. It was great. Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 3:But you said, like everything with the way it's filmed, even like that, it gives you a little bit of like chill where it's in the cold. The length, the running time on this perfect, perfect for a movie like this. It's just a fun watch. It is PS.
Speaker 2:I wish I had Stallone's hair. Oh, that hair it is ahead of just that. Feathered hair was awesome. God, I wish that. I wish I had that.
Speaker 3:We could have pulled that off 20 years ago, but the hairline's going to hurt. It could have worked.
Speaker 2:No for me could have what it should have maybe 30 years ago for me, but oh well you can still grow the back long, I think. Hey, mullets are coming.
Speaker 3:Wait, no, that's that wouldn't be a mallet, no you'd be like the neighbor from office space.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I would just cut the sides and the top, and then the back grows out. That's a mullet.
Speaker 3:Right, and then I just just comb it like just let it grow like that and just pull it back.
Speaker 2:Maybe if I let the back grow out I'll comb it all forward like from the neckline all the way up and have like a foot and a half long flip over. I call this the zap. Yeah, just don't. I have to sit in cars backwards so that when the windows go down it blows my hair.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man driving backwards. Mom, I don't know, it's his hair, it's what?
Speaker 2:he does.
Speaker 1:Leave him alone Get a devil's peak like the Misfits comes down to the point in the middle. That's right.
Speaker 2:Dancing. So first blood. We meet John Jay Rambo, a drifter and Vietnam War vet, making his way to his old army buddy's house, only to find that his buddy has since died of cancer, I guess brought on by Agent Orange. Yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's funny, you have a big G is finally getting money for that. Is that right, yeah? However, many years later, like they passed something a while back that says like no, that's good. Uh, some sort of money from the agent orange. I had no idea. That's wild Good for him. They sprayed that shit everywhere. Shit yeah.
Speaker 2:That's worse than roundup. Yeah, it is, it was everywhere.
Speaker 3:They sprayed it like just cockroaches. You just see cockroaches. Look, man, you in the jungle baby. You're gonna die.
Speaker 2:Continuing his travels, rambo makes his way to his closest town, which is Hope Washington, as David mentioned. The sheriff will teased, who is no fan of vagrants, and hobos collects him and drives him out of town. Bombs, bombs, that's right. Attempting to make his way back into town, rambo was arrested and charged with resisting arrest, vagrancy and possessing a concealed knife. But seriously, like what Like? There is not enough crime in this town to keep the cops otherwise occupied, right?
Speaker 1:I'm very confused on this beginning that. What was the remark he made about? Now, I know there was an anti-war sentiment in the 60s. Was that continuing into the 80s? That still?
Speaker 3:Well, I read a thing on that. As they said, the whole thing behind that is Sheriff Will Teasel. It's not how you say it Will.
Speaker 1:Teasel.
Speaker 3:He was, if you look at his desk and stuff. He was a Korean vet, yep, and I guess there was a lot of resentment towards the Vietnam-type Arabettes because the Korean war people got no.
Speaker 2:Type of credit. Yeah, nobody who knew what the hell Korea was right, but he made a comment about the flag.
Speaker 1:He's like you don't want to walk through the town with that flag on your jacket. You're asking for trouble. I heard that so where was that coming from?
Speaker 3:No idea Was there a. Maybe he wasn't commie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a thing I don't. I don't get that.
Speaker 2:I get that only because it was filmed in Canada. Otherwise, I didn't get that either because I look at this town and I'm thinking who wouldn't love America? In this town, everybody loves America, but it ends up being like this place, at least for Vietnam War vets, or at least for John Jay Rambo. This is just like the deep South, but for white people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like it's bad, yeah well, a lot of, maybe the war vets and stuff. Maybe there was a lot of um Like, there was a lot of like homeless and things like that, because of all the shit they went through bumps, so yeah, bumps, hobos.
Speaker 1:So maybe he's like you know, we don't take kindly to- I didn't hear him say that when he was driving out of town he kind of explained to him what it was all about. Yeah, but I didn't get like the townspeople. I could see where he's like that, but maybe he was just making it up. Yeah, I think this is the thing.
Speaker 2:I think it's a very overzealous sheriff speaking on behalf of the townspeople that apparently he's just so far removed from right that he just doesn't want and I get it. Look if. If you don't want bums and vagrants walking around the town, that's great right and he's shoot him away and that's fine.
Speaker 2:But you know, I don't know. Rambo had a John Rambo had a chip on his shoulder and he's like well, fuck you, I'm walking back into town now. That's the amazing part to me, where this guy just the the sheriff, just completely out of nowhere, completely abuses his power and says under arrest. You're under arrest, I'm taking you in, here you go. Like that happened so quickly, like things escalated really really quickly.
Speaker 1:Well, it made me think of a past episode, matt. You brought up taking them to the bridge, remember we talked off as their vince about.
Speaker 2:That's right, can you? Can you take somebody out of town?
Speaker 1:out of town to the bridge and that's where you drop them off. I remember, I forget. I think it might have been on Luca McNada or whatever, the internet killer. I think you're right and oh, we were talking about Beverly Hills, cop.
Speaker 2:You've got a Memory like a steel trap, you do a trap an officer Vince.
Speaker 1:He's I, if memory serves me. I think he said that there was no bridge like that or anything that they had, or you asked him, I think do you take browns? And evens fans to the bridge because they're up there and like stealer fan right, you know what I mean, but yeah, that was cool. He drives him across the bridge and then it's basically continue underway. Portland's that way, which is still probably how many miles away, right, and all this guy wants to get is like a hot meal, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's just walking through town. He's not minding his own business, that's all he's doing.
Speaker 3:Maybe it was because of the Rambo knife, maybe. Maybe the sheriff has never seen anything that cool in his life. Yeah cuz I remember I bought one of those at the big M Market yeah. Yep, and you had like the compass on the top, you would unscrew it and there was like matches in there and like some fish hooks, some line like it's very neat Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:I got to imagine. See, I was one up. After that it's oh my gosh, I got a fun fact on that one. Yeah, I was gonna say there is one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. So while being booked Again, just picked up for walking through town, rambo sees bars on the windows of the building and has a flashback from his time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam Fingerprinted, beaten and deloused. It's time for a shave, as the sheriff's office has taken it upon themselves to make sure he's suitable for his appearance in court the next day, like dude court already. This is the yeah, I mean this is again. This whole story took a quite an unfortunate turn rather quickly.
Speaker 3:Like a night court type that could see in a small town, like you know the call that they call the judge because nothing ever really happens there. You've seen that place.
Speaker 2:This is some my cousin Vinny shit.
Speaker 1:I mean the movies, an hour and a half and they had you hating these guys after five minutes. That's and it was, it was like they did their job. They did their job because I'm like fuck these guys. I can't believe they're beating the shit out of this, for you know nothing. Well, the deal allows thing to just smack in with Smack, turn around like hazing and shit, oh my god, yeah, you could so again.
Speaker 2:I mentioned earlier that the concept of the this is the deep south, but they're just, you know, instead just beating on white people. The one sheriff actually sounded like he was from the south Art Galt the deputy deputy deputy with the big beer belly.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, fuck him, you'll get yours Goalty anyways. Being approached with the razor triggers another POW flashback for Rambo and he snaps. An Intense fight scene with every deputy in the building commences as Rambo fights his way out of the sheriff's office, being sure to grab his trusty knife on the way out. After escaping the sheriff's office, rambo clothes lines a motorcyclist on the street, takes his dirt bike and makes his way into the woods in mountain range after an intense chase by the sheriff himself. Did anyone notice a sheriff or that stone was probably better suited for boxing as Rocky than he was for hand-to-hand combat? Like I just thought some of the fight scenes were kind of like cheesy or they were cheesy, like the Stunt doubles or the whatever.
Speaker 2:It was a little cheesy they're pretty much 80s fight scenes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was really impressed with the, the chase scene and all that which we'll get into for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the motorcycle chase right motorcycle with the thing.
Speaker 2:I just like the guy. I love that. Rambo was standing in the middle of the street and he's doing ready-readies waiting for. Combined. He just closed lines the day. A motorcycle dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that, that, uh that whole sequence of scenes there I was, I was like man, these are like pretty good like action sequences for 1982 I wholeheartedly agree a lot of times you'll watch like those older movies and be like man. This is really bad. Yeah, they put some good money, or whoever did the stunt scenes did an awesome job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the car scene, the bikes, all of that, that was great. And then him going into the woods, that was great. It was just for me, I don't know. It was the Like you could see the punch thrown in a completely widely missed the guy's face, but he would fall over. This is just what the deputies in the in the sheriff's office.
Speaker 1:Those cop cars were a fort of some kind. Was that an LTD or what?
Speaker 2:I would. I would say yeah, I would definitely say, it was probably an LTD.
Speaker 3:They the berries.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were bears, yes, they were berries.
Speaker 1:Oh, with the little thing on top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had a red one on one side and a blue on the other.
Speaker 1:What did I? Just watch that some kid made a Cop car like that for somebody has a gift and put like a thing on top like and that's where I heard that term- Barry, there's a movie or a show or something I just watched recently.
Speaker 2:I first heard the term Barry from an ice cube, exactly.
Speaker 1:That's what they used to call him in LA you know there's something I watch where a little kid like Gifted somebody a police car and it had the little Barry on top. And I was and and he was like oh, there's, you know, a berry. And that's where I heard that, but I didn't put that together when you asked that. Now you said that makes sense.
Speaker 3:What I've noticed about these movies too Is like Rambo is the like 80s, 70s, 80s fight scenes. A man could really take a punch back then hell yeah. Cuz. I could imagine getting hit like that. You know how man you're laying on the ground.
Speaker 2:Let's not forget that Stallone was pretty diesel.
Speaker 3:I mean his oh yeah, he was. He was chiseled up. He was on the juice man for sure. He had some muscles to him.
Speaker 2:So after the scene, or after the chase and the everything. So Rambo makes his way to that, the abandoned mine and he's or the whatever, like a scrap yard or some place on the mountain. He sees all this equipment around him. It's all I get it. It's all done in its trash. Why did he take that tarp and cut it up into a poncho?
Speaker 3:I think, just for because, it was raining, yeah, it was freezing.
Speaker 1:Okay, not like camouflage, it was just. You know, he was just cold. Yeah, maybe a little bit of both. Actually, I guess it could have been camo and also that like warm his core, because he was like in a tank top out there.
Speaker 2:He was a muscle shirt.
Speaker 1:It's cold. No, no, it was a wife beater, wife beater. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. Well Now, on foot in the woods, rambo was hunted by every officer and deputy in the sheriff's office, along with a local who owns hunting dogs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Doberman.
Speaker 2:That's right, mm-hmm. That local was. I guess that was Orville Kellerman. He's the only one on my list who's not a deputy or a sheriff or a colonel or somebody in the military. Big orville, so PS. This guy was not just on foot, but he was also being chased by a helicopter.
Speaker 3:Which they got some money for that quick dispatch, that was pretty good, yeah, pretty good. That lifeline don't even get up that fast, not even close.
Speaker 2:Well, the deputy in that helicopter just happens to be the one who hates Rambo the most Sergeant, art Galt, that's the one with the big belly.
Speaker 3:He's the the one that comes from the South, kind of deep.
Speaker 2:South, a Nail biting scene commences. While descending the rock face of a vertical mountainside, rambo chooses to jump from its heights after having been the target of Sergeant Galt's gunshots. The limbs of pine trees break his fall. While Galt continues shooting, rambo, now on the ground, retaliates by throwing a rock at the helicopter, which spooks the pilot and causes Galt to fall to his death. From the helicopter to the Rocky Creek bed below. And now Rambo's got himself a rifle. That and the deputy's CB radio. Sheriff Tiesel and the deputy's arrive at the top of the cliff and find the scene below. Rambo screams his innocence, insisting it was an accident and that he doesn't want any more trouble. Despite the deputy's warning the sheriff of Rambo's prowess as a battle-hardened green beret, the sheriff is committed to capturing Rambo one way or another.
Speaker 3:Now see this scene. Pretty much is is one of the reasons like I think this movie is so good. Yeah, because it would be exactly like the small town never has any trouble. You got a guy run it like so like he said, they're calling like the helicopters in these guys are shooting all over the place. I call in some guy with the dog, like it's kind of like a Keystone cops type of thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah cuz I don't think they know what to do. No, it is, it's like they're. Like the other guy falls from the helicopter, you got guys shooting everywhere, dogs are running around. Yeah right, like it's like you can tell this is ensuing because they have no idea what they're like.
Speaker 1:Let's try this, let's do this, yep you can tell they never addressed an issue like yeah, or like training or anything.
Speaker 3:It's like something I would think would actually like take place at this time.
Speaker 2:This tells me they've done their job well at keeping the bums and vagrants out of town right, they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that was pretty graphic when he fell out in the body's laying there on the on the rocks and he's looking him in the face. He picks him up and he's like staring him in this face. Yeah you know that art.
Speaker 2:I was waiting for him to start talking back, but no, he was looking at his dead face and dead body. He took his jacket off.
Speaker 1:Took his jacket off that you know you mean. So that's, it's like a video game. He's picking up like bonus stuff. I say let me get this guy's gun. Let me get a jacket.
Speaker 2:Sure, absolutely. It's a classic video game, look no, he has a green beret. He was a green beret, such a green beret that he was able to sew himself shut.
Speaker 1:So that big that was nasty that gash is Not for nothing.
Speaker 2:That was, I thought, amazing Special effects on Rambo's arm. Yeah, like that was a good, like it was still pumping blood out of it. Look good, I thought it was a great job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Great job on the special effects, all right. Well, the chase continues. Rambo, who's no stranger to the wilderness, sets a number of booby traps which kill the dogs, being used to locate him. He also had that set up, that scarecrow where so they could empty a bunch of rounds. Yeah, as the hunt progresses, rambo subdues each of the deputies, one by one, again Subdues. He did not kill them in capacity, he did not kill the deputies I Noticed. I guess this could have gone one way or the other, but the movie tells me it did go the right way. Was the leg stabbed to the first deputy? Was that a good idea, cuz like? On one hand it brought attention to his location, but he was. In doing so he was able to bring the hunters like into his lair right into his traps.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what kind of made me like, as I watch this again, thinking about it's like what kind of time did he have to?
Speaker 1:make.
Speaker 3:Contraptions like there's. No, it's like one of those fantasy movies like come on, man, it's like a Stallone alone.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good, I like that. I had the same question, fact I haven't written down. So, okay, no, no, no, I, matt, I'm right on, paid on on point and page with you. Like how did this guy the second deputy, as he's going to chase after the one that was screaming after getting stabbed in the leg? He gets this turnstile, yeah, like rack of spikes in his leg. Like how did he do that?
Speaker 3:so quickly. But it's like one of those what are those machines called? Like they had in Peewee Herman when he made breakfast.
Speaker 2:The oh, it's a Jewish name.
Speaker 3:Yes, gonna drive me nuts, but it was like one of those style like type things is like this hits this, which hits this, which a little like Piece of rain falls off a leaf.
Speaker 2:It's like a mousetrap. Yeah, everything falls out. I was like come on.
Speaker 3:How much time did this guy like these? There's dogs pursuing you, but you got time to make Rube Goldberg, goldberg goldberg, that's what it is Boom Rube.
Speaker 2:Goldberg nice, but yeah, I just found a comical well, after the deputies, rambo ultimately gets the drop on Sheriff Tiesel himself, whom he captures and threatens further losses if they don't let him go. So look man, this is easy. Rambo got all these guys. It's like look man, just leave me the hell alone. I just let me get out of here, just leave me alone. However, I would agree that once you start inflicting some pain and damage to deputies that you're not gonna be able to negotiate, negotiate your way out of that we're gonna just keep coming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the guy got spikes to the leg. Guys are falling in pits.
Speaker 2:He set that thing up so damn quickly. What?
Speaker 3:was he digging the thing with? On the one too. They're like falling to the spikes like how do you dig that out already?
Speaker 1:Come on, rambo, again, it's an hour and a half. Yes, that's fair.
Speaker 3:There it is, dave, the voice of reason like luck James just suspend disbelief there you go, just let it's a movie, it's a movie entertaining as hell, awesome movie.
Speaker 2:I'm glad I've got. I'm glad Matt. I'm glad you picked this one.
Speaker 2:I really it was a really good one, good so by now, well, over a hundred Washington State police and national guardsmen are called to the scene. Ps on that scene, that reporter on the scene, that fake news was awful like. I just wanted to punch through the screen that reporters. There he's all this Rambo of the, john Jay Rambo, who allegedly killed a deputy and it and attempted to kill six others. That's, that's not true. What do you know? All he knew was, I'm guessing what sheriff was.
Speaker 3:Jack off was telling teasley, teasley, teasel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, teasel, teasel, whatever fake news awful. Included in this throng of police and national guardsmen is Colonel Troutman, rambo's former recruiting, training and commanding officer. Oh, he's just well rounded. Yeah, with John Jay. He brought him in, he walked, he walked him all the way through. He warns the sheriff of Rambo's capabilities in hopes of convincing him to let him go, as he's having this. You know, come to Jesus moment with the sheriff like look man, this is, I know this guy. You, you, you've got nothing on this guy. He's gonna continue it as long as you do, so just let him go.
Speaker 1:What was the cool line he had about? Something about.
Speaker 3:He was born the killer. Yeah, I mean him, or something.
Speaker 1:It was something along those lines, kind of like they were talking and he turned around and he's there, he's like oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:Hey, do you know him? I made him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that, it was cool.
Speaker 3:Well, he, I guess he was like trying to show that in the military, like that these green berets are just, they're different, they're not. They're not like you and I. I had to make him this way. Yeah in order for him to be who he is and you don't want to mess with him.
Speaker 3:Yeah he knows firsthand incredible Hulk, but he doesn't turn green with with that scene too, when they set up that little like the tent village and stuff, just like the way, like how cold it looked there, the rain, like that Whole situation I thought was really neat too. Like if you look in into movies you know, right yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Yeah, well, I mean they set it up as a, as a what's that called when you First treat a wound?
Speaker 3:that it's called my man the last a job. Yeah, it's like try triage, triage. Thank you.
Speaker 2:They just set up this, this instant village, like, hey, we got it. You know, we got to go get this guy. Everybody all hands on deck, let's go, let's go all for one guy, that's just one dude. It's not just one dude, it's John.
Speaker 1:Rambo, rambo yeah.
Speaker 2:Troutman puts forth the idea of putting oh shit, I forgot to mention the cutscene of Rambo killing that wild boar was jumping off the tree dude out at that guy was awesome, awesome, like that's why people? That's why kids like us grew up loving these guys because this was a man's man. This guy was a woodsman right killer.
Speaker 3:Everything man. Yeah, it was pretty realistic up to that part.
Speaker 2:We're just like okay, I guess he was hungry. He's hungry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure boars everywhere running around there.
Speaker 1:You know he's the type guy. He's an apple with a knife, like cuts it takes a bite off his thumb.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a man's man, you should have caught like a frog or something. That would have been more believable.
Speaker 2:I think I would have a cooler than he would have smoked Marlboro cigarettes.
Speaker 1:I'll be out there eating berries and picking berries.
Speaker 3:Like I wonder if this plants any good.
Speaker 2:Flower here and.
Speaker 1:I need to recharge my phone. Hey look, somebody left the Snickers here. I've eaten awesome.
Speaker 3:Speaking of recharge your phone, this has nothing to do with the story Megan was showing me on one of those tiktoks or something the other day. Yeah, like this guy bought these um, like they look like fake outlets and he was going around in like the airport.
Speaker 2:I just had the conversation the other day, that push came to shove. My wife would probably unplug the life support for me to charge your charge, your phone.
Speaker 2:All right. Troutman puts forth the idea of putting out an APB and letting Rambo make his way on his own To the next town that he might come across and then just be at the ready to apprehend him there. But Tiesel wants no part of this plan. He insists that the hunt continue. He attempts to reach Rambo via his CB radio but fails until Troutman steps in. That night, while Rambo enjoys his roasted pork at the fireside, troutman gets through to him and tries to convince him to surrender. Rambo will have no part of this, as he informs Troutman of the officers abuses of their power and that they were the ones to draw first blood.
Speaker 3:You know dead all day, colonel. So that was dude not for the house key.
Speaker 1:That was.
Speaker 2:I thought that was real shitty of the Colonel to start messing around with Rambo's mind when he when he got on the radio like the Colonel. I guess the Colonel is believing.
Speaker 1:Okay, rambo's in flashback mode right, so he thinks his friends are here.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. So if I can keep him believing that he's in some kind of weird place in his mind, I'm gonna pretend to talk to him like he's still in theater, like he's still in the jungle back in NAMM. Right so I'm gonna start rattling off all of these names of his friends who are dead, mm-hmm, and then has come in. Please come in, you know over. I thought that was shitty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean just playing with the guys, emotions man, but that. But then he's also trying to end this peacefully, if he can. I don't know.
Speaker 3:He's where you're coming from, though. Yeah, he is living in a mine. He just like jumped off a tree and killed a bore with his knife, so, yeah, he's pretty much in flashback. He's a man.
Speaker 1:I think the best bet whatever, like he said, just let him be, we'll end up somewhere in a couple days and then we'll get him that but technically, honestly, to this point he hasn't done anything. No, you're right, I mean, but they want to pin that the guy falling but they did that to themselves right.
Speaker 3:He didn't do anything. That's why Rambo's like I didn't. What did these guys want from me? All he did was throw a rock.
Speaker 1:I'm still, I'm still rooting for him at this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I'm on team Rambo. Yeah the next morning, the hunt continues. Even some local hunters have volunteered to join the swarm. Rambo makes his way to an abandoned mineshaft using the shelter as a cover, and he's now out of bullets and cornered by the Washington National Guardsmen. Having received no signs of surrender from Rambo, the guardsmen fire a rocket launcher at the structure atop the mineshaft, destroying the structure and leaving Rambo for dead or Izzy.
Speaker 3:Another great part of this Film, too, is because those guys had no idea again like it's the National Guard, in what organ, or whatever.
Speaker 2:The guy carrying the bazooka rocket launcher looked like fucking radar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, from mash, I thought for sure was gonna fire backwards or something. Yeah there's ones where they just don't know how to use.
Speaker 3:These guys were weekend National Guard warriors, exactly whatever, and they had no like gravity of the situation, so they're just there being like oh man, it's gonna be awesome, you have to blow something up finally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the one guy was like I could get the work tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Pictures themselves over top of the rubble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like shit we would do for promo stuff, you know, I mean precisely you know, but yeah, they're just, they're there thinking is this like a party?
Speaker 3:What is that Like the cinematography? What would that be considered the?
Speaker 1:Of what?
Speaker 3:like the scene, like, if you're like talking like Oscars what is that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the cinema, talk over here. The.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, whatever just just is a really good part of this movie.
Speaker 2:Well, hell, no, this guy isn't dead, of course, but no, tiesel and Troutman believe him to be. Well, at least Tiesel does. And again, let's let's. According to Tiesel, as far as Tiesel knows, rambo killed his deputy. Somehow, some way, rambo got out and up into a helicopter, pulled his deputy out of it and killed him, but whatever. Nonetheless, troutman reminds him that you know, rambo had a tough time and not but then he throw a rock, though at the correct yeah he threw a rock at the window, yeah, which distracted the pilot and as the pilot, swung hard, left In his defense.
Speaker 3:He was getting shot at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's not forget, on there like with no weapon and they're shooting at him.
Speaker 3:He brought rocks to a gunfight.
Speaker 2:What's it? Yeah, the deputy Jerikov had a. He just had it out for Rambo from the gate, the guy from the south, yeah, anyway later that night, tiesel and Troutman discuss the differences in their perspectives on Rambo over a drink. But meanwhile Rambo is alive and he traverses his way through the depths and out of the mine shaft.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that part, yeah, that part there too, like for me, I'm claustrophobic, so I Watching that I was like man I couldn't even imagine. Well, come to find out in the fun facts, which I'll just say it now, but like Rambo. Stallone is actually claustrophobic as well. I don't know where they filmed that out, if they were actually in caves, I mean, some of the scenes look like there were some parts where it was real tight, where the water was up around is you know.
Speaker 3:They you can do it. Yeah they made it look like that. There's probably plenty of room in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, he's. At worst he's crawling into something that's no deeper than one of those scans you get on your body where it's all clicky in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I guess. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:See.
Speaker 1:CTE, now CTE the. I know what you're talking about. It's not a.
Speaker 2:CT scan. It's the thing where you go in and it the MRI. Thank you, mri. It's all clicking all the time.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see that it was a true story, about that soccer team that got caught in those mines that got flooded?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they had to swim. I did watch you. Yeah, can you imagine? Yeah, can you imagine that I'd have to be out. You don't even know for that.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what they're saying. They had to knock the kids out because there was no way that they would be able a regular person to do that, yeah, they would just flip out.
Speaker 1:that was pretty smart, that was really smart actually so those rats as well that were down there he was get those are. That was for real, and he actually had to go get tetanus shots. Tetanus because they were scratching and biting and though he said they were like pretty docile, until you get them in the water Well until you get a near water with flame around them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, because he was walking around there with a torch right rats.
Speaker 1:That was a cool makeshift torch Ghosts yeah, that's a good jam. He had that out, that makeshift torch.
Speaker 2:I was pretty cool yeah he kept the food going just by wrapping more cloth around it because he dipped it like the water was already like all Gassed up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right there, oily, or something, is that?
Speaker 1:what that bucket was. Yeah. I figured of some kind of, like you know I.
Speaker 2:Thought I thought it was water. Okay, this is stuff you found well in the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the water in the mine had enough. Yeah, had enough, just I guess from when they did their shit in there. Hmm, right enough gas or oil, whatever, to get the thing ignited. Well, so Rambo's out of the shaft.
Speaker 2:John shaft. Well, we was too, with all of the action now over. The state police and national guardsmen make their way away from the scene, just as Rambo hijacks one of their military trucks. After a short-lived police chase, rambo makes his way back to town. Don't wait, no, did you see the way that he just I mean all the trucks drive by he jumps on top of that last one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just kicks off dude, the hell out of there. He's like be what's your name and he kicks him out.
Speaker 2:There's a thing that that cops can do I guess any one of us can do it, but they are trained to do it that as a vehicles in motion, you can. If you hit one of the the rear quarters, like from the side and you start like pulling into the vehicle, you will make that vehicle spin out flip out, oh, spin out Okay absolutely so.
Speaker 2:I mean, that was him with that that army vehicle and the cops ended up getting in front of him. But he just was able to just spin him out because you just know, again, a rear quarter panel or a rear corner, like with a bumper, meets the side. You can spin somebody to hell out.
Speaker 3:So all the cop vehicles have those where the cattle put. What do they call them cattle? Cattle pushers push on the front. Yeah, yeah, those push bars all on the front of their cars. If you like see any of the newer police cars. They all have them yeah that's just to do what Zapp said to flip you around like that.
Speaker 1:Yep, oh, last officer Vince will let us know, like if they can do that, if that's you know, if they're trained on that, or whatever I'm curious about that.
Speaker 3:Can we call him the original oV?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Vio Vio G oV. Yeah, who G oV?
Speaker 2:also I wanted to mention I was a little disappointed in that explosion because we were talking now about the special effects. We have been was little disappointed at the gas station. One the extent of the explosion when Rambo forced that police car off of the road and it ended up hitting a parked car.
Speaker 1:It's like a magical explosion correct Exactly the first thing I thought.
Speaker 2:Was it a Simpsons explosion? Me also speak of that gas station now. At his first stop, a local gas station, rambo finds a sizable machine gun and plenty of ammo in the back of that military vehicle, now well armed, his first act of retaliation is blowing up that gas station and the vehicle that got him there. Was retaliation, though, or was it instead?
Speaker 3:distraction in a cut scene. There's up, he left a pack of all marble menthols. He grabbed a pack and put it in his pocket stop.
Speaker 1:That was.
Speaker 3:It was a cut scene, it would go.
Speaker 2:It was on the cutting room floor. I can't believe it didn't make its way.
Speaker 1:Was there smoking in this movie? Yeah yeah okay, I'm trying to remember a point.
Speaker 2:Rambo didn't smoke. Oh, troutmen smoked cigars in the bar.
Speaker 3:That's right Okay and there was like, I think, no, no, the Guardsmen couldn't be smoking while they were in the tent.
Speaker 2:No one of the policemen was smoking while they were on the mountain top. Yeah, yeah so yeah, look, this is 82, everybody smoked you smoke in church.
Speaker 1:Also, I think there was only like three women in this whole movie.
Speaker 2:I was gonna mention that too. There was not a love interest in this movie, another reason why it's truly an action movie. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think there was any time, unless you found one, like in the mines.
Speaker 2:Around the woods there was a whole night scene we missed. True, we don't know what he would have done with the rest of that pig.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah. Who's to say yeah? Who's to say Never know?
Speaker 2:anyway. So there's a point, there's a part where I guess the sheriff says to to troutmen, like you knew he was alive. Right, you knew he was. He was somehow still alive, that's why you're still around. And then troutmen has basically I told you so moment with the sheriff, like right there at the bar, all the while Rambo is making his way further into town, rambo's well-planned efforts at exacting his revenge While distracting authorities to other locations continue. What's he do? He cuts power to most of the town by shooting up a transformer atop a telephone pole. He destroys a local sporting goods store by dumping as much fuel, gunpowder and bullets he can find therein and setting it ablaze. Hate, this special effect with bullets from his machine gun. Now, that does not happen, but whatever.
Speaker 3:What's with the transformer to it that have knocked out all the power in town. One transformer.
Speaker 2:It. So a transformer is gonna do a couple of blocks and if the town is that small, okay. Yeah, it was a small town, so maybe all right. Yeah, that could have been like the source, like we only need a transformer this bit, or two transformers. They were right next to each other.
Speaker 3:We only need these two and this is gonna power what we need in this two block town because in the 80s, before the internet, like we would believe that shit, but like a guy that works on transformers we're like that didn't happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's impossible. It's a bit of a decepticon, yeah could Wow.
Speaker 2:I thought that was like a Pac-Man. Or like an evil Fuzzy bear.
Speaker 1:I thought he was with that pig, I feel like a walker, walker squeal for me.
Speaker 2:Rambo goes on to shoot up a sheriff station where Tiesel had made his way to the roof by now. Rambo's got Tiesel now Shooting at him through the ceiling and causing Tiesel to fall into the building through the sizable glass skylight.
Speaker 3:Snoop dog for Tiesel, my knees for Tiesel.
Speaker 1:Yeah right. That was good one of those like 80s skylights you see at the mall or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100% 100%.
Speaker 1:They're at boss gobs or something.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Now.
Speaker 1:Harrisburg, harrisburg, eastmore, I had them in the middle. Yeah, they did let light in they had that big fountain too.
Speaker 3:They did yep, yep, no more, no alas.
Speaker 2:Well, sad state you brought up, that's right.
Speaker 1:It's still there, still there, the guy that guy doesn't work today.
Speaker 3:That in the place it sells the gold jewelry. That's not really gold.
Speaker 1:They'll never go away, nope oh.
Speaker 2:First impressions, some kind of weird impressions. That's where they were the other, they would carve that, they would personalize your jewelry so you could get Zippos or chains or Pen.
Speaker 3:Oh, shit that we went Pendants. All of our buddies went through that stage. Yeah, remember the whole Zippo thing. Get like cool shit on them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't know how many Zippos I've lost, hmm we buy gold a lot.
Speaker 1:We buy gold there.
Speaker 2:Justice Rambo is about to give teasel his final goodbyes, troutman arrives and attempts to calm his anger. Now, this is great. I listen to this radio show every morning. In there they radio shows are gonna reuse quotes right all the time, and you know sound bites. Yeah, johnny yeah the nothing is over. Is they use it almost every day. Nothing is over.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to the.
Speaker 2:Troutman is oh, karate kid.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's over, johnny, it's over. You know, it was great. I think it was in that same scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, it's over, johnny, it's over. He said nothing is over. The back and forth between Rambo and Troutman explains much of Rambo's rage. Yeah, that's all. Remember, the war sucked. All of his war buddies are dead, mostly from combat. He and so many other vets were shunned when they returned from Vietnam. He was responsible for so much during the war I'm talking about equipments, lives, all kind of stuff but back home he couldn't even hold a job.
Speaker 1:He was saying like million dollar equipment.
Speaker 2:He was million dollar equipment and people's lives. And his friend Joe Jesus. This was the worst one his friend Joe, who died at a bar one night due to an exploding shoe shine box.
Speaker 3:Hey Joe, go get your fucking shine box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but his bits were landing all over Rambo and I can't, I can't find your legs. Where are you? That was a sad story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was mm-hmm. Let's hit differently, as watching it at my age now.
Speaker 2:Dude, it did like I felt. I was saddened by the time this was getting to where it got, big time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't realize, it was such a good movie.
Speaker 1:It's a watch. Yeah, until I watch it later.
Speaker 2:It's a great movie it really is. I'm reminded now that what, why it's so important to when you see somebody with a Vietnam, a Vietnam that when you see any Vietnam that you know you see in, the first thing you say is welcome home. Yeah like that is a must, and I don't. I don't understand why these guys got shit on as much as they did.
Speaker 3:I just don't what was the politics at the time.
Speaker 1:politics yeah, it was a political.
Speaker 2:What are we doing over there? Yeah?
Speaker 3:plus everybody was singing about. You know, five, six, seven. Open up the barely gates.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. We covered it a little bit, talked about a little bit in Manson. Goddamn hippies and yet, like these kids are in college and they're like, yeah, man, like we're gonna, you know, they think they're gonna change and they know everything. Like they know everything, and that's what happens.
Speaker 3:We're just bad man.
Speaker 1:You're 18, 19 years old, you go to college. All of a sudden you're like you think?
Speaker 2:you know, you worldly.
Speaker 1:Now you know everything and it's like. It's not always the case.
Speaker 2:No, go get a job. I'll tell you don't know nothing.
Speaker 3:Well, a lot of these kids came from nothing. That all got sent to these wars at the time.
Speaker 2:They're all just drafted right into it, because they couldn't afford to go to college.
Speaker 3:They went from you know small town, any small town, americas, where all the kids there was no kids like that were had any money or anything. Growing up that were like, oh, I'm here in.
Speaker 1:Vietnam. Yeah, out of it, get out of service. Yeah, you were going and yeah, it is very sad. This movie Actually like really hit me with that. I'm like man and I would have never Thought that as a kid or even got the concept. I was just like the action or whatever, which I don't remember seeing all these parts, but well, rambo's had enough.
Speaker 2:He's done enough. Venting his frustration to the listening ear of troutman has helped to calm him and diffuse the situation. Our movie ends with Rambo's surrendering to the authorities, while bitch-ass Tiesel is driven away in an ambulance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I don't remember the second one, I mean as much as I didn't remember the first one. So was he a return character then, he, or was that?
Speaker 2:it.
Speaker 3:No, then he was done.
Speaker 2:He was done after. I think in the second one it was only Rambo and troutman was no mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:And then the third one, or like in some asian town. Then, like the fourth one, or Rambo goes to New York. No, the fourth, like I think they're in, like Iraq.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz I think I did read. And the fun facts this was the only one on US soil, or whatever, or something like that. Is that true?
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm. Anybody has like the first one and the last one. The last could just called Rambo.
Speaker 1:Was was excellent. That's why I'm gonna check that out.
Speaker 2:Fun facts oh sounds like we're about to get into that. We are. You know I. I remember watching the shit out of this cartoon as a kid. The cartoon came out after Rambo to wait, there's a Rambo cartoon oh shit, yeah, absolutely there was a cartoon?
Speaker 1:huh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, yeah you.
Speaker 3:The loan or like. Was there some dude like me?
Speaker 2:I mean. So gi Joe was a great cartoon.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've watched well every episode.
Speaker 2:I mean, if it worked for gi Joe, the people, the fine people in cartoon world said well, let's give Rambo like a Saturday morning cartoon. I think it was an after-school cartoon.
Speaker 1:It was like a Saturday night.
Speaker 2:There was a distinct difference.
Speaker 3:Well, it was like it was on TGI Friday, but it's like TGI Tuesday morning Come on now.
Speaker 2:So we know things like Thunder cats, oh, oh yeah, joe, yeah, real American hero. Transformers, I think more than me. A few other ones were Voltron, he man, those old Ron was well, that was fantastic. Those were after-school cartoons versus your Saturday morning.
Speaker 3:You mean the ones that come on like three o'clock, correct? Okay, I remember those.
Speaker 2:Rambo was one of those, I thought it was a Saturday morning, now that I think of it, mm-hmm, I would think I'm gonna bet, I'm gonna wager. You're wrong.
Speaker 1:I have no memory of a Rambo cartoon. Well, I want to look it up.
Speaker 3:No, I think, I think I'm looking at it right now. I think John's right. Hell, yeah, he's right. Ram. Oh, there's one called Ram bro.
Speaker 2:Is that a? Is that a black exploitation? Is that some kind of sex?
Speaker 3:It really is a Rambo cartoon and there's trout men, correct? Some young girl and some guy, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Nice, you're welcome America. Yeah, cash me outside, it's called.
Speaker 3:Rambo, the force of freedom Hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah 1986, I mean, I mean, he was huge and the movie was huge, so I can see where you capitalize on hell. Yeah, and this is back when, like kids, I would watch, watch movies like that it was on after Silver Hawk.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you guys know Love, love, love and Voltron was after. I don't remember watching.
Speaker 1:Rambo. No, me neither. That's pretty wild though.
Speaker 3:Awesome Good fact that that was a. That was a fun fact to end off on fact.
Speaker 2:Silver Hawks, partly metal, partly real. Yeah, they love that one. Oh, so we were talking about this earlier, it's it. We're now in fun fact land. So the term Rambo knife and I remember as a kid it was the only knife in the world, the only name for any knife in the world was Rambo knife, mm-hmm that became the Synonymous generic term for survival knife. Like much like we I think we've talked about this before when people use the term Kleenex, when they just want a tissue, when people use the term Q-tip when they're talking about a cotton swab, rambo knife became the name for survival knife, now Rambo's knife. In fact, that survival knife was standard issue for soldiers in Vietnam. It included inside the handle Fishing lures, needles, thread matches in a small surgical knife. It had a compass on the inside of the butt of the handle and a Phillips head screwdriver and flat head screwdriver on the the blade guard at the base, so in case there's any screws out in the wilderness.
Speaker 3:Yeah, taking something apart, trying to take a yeah or getting in between something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. It was a fantastic, it was like a Swiss Army knife.
Speaker 2:That blade was Better. Huge, that was massive. There were 13 teeth on the saw part. Grrr, yeah, the saw end of the blade. Hmm, anyways, rambo knife Common terminology when we were kids.
Speaker 1:So I didn't know this, but I mean I guess it makes sense. I don't really know what he had out before this other than Rocky. This was the first non Rocky movie which didn't bomb first alone. Up till then I don't.
Speaker 2:I'd heard somebody mention that it might have been. Was it Matt? Matt might have mentioned it in the synapses and I was thinking what the hell did he do between Rocky and this?
Speaker 3:Um, he was in one way like. He was like a greaser. There was a bunch of people in it.
Speaker 1:It wasn't Cobra, no, oh that was a oh man, we should do that. That was like late 80s, 89 maybe. Also during the filming of this there was a truck that had like 50 or so firearms got stolen. I had that.
Speaker 2:So I had that as a fun fact as well as fact, as chance would have it. So filming, as we know, was done in Canada, so the weapons used in this movie had to be imported, like they didn't have the shit sitting around. So during filming, in fact, more than $50,000 worth of firearms were stolen from the set. That included, but was not limited to, 14 M16 rifles, three Remington shotguns, two 44 Magnum revolvers and 11 Colt AR 15 rifles.
Speaker 3:Damn, this is the 80s. They're probably like, yeah, fuck it. Yeah, it's part of the. They'll remember the movie through this.
Speaker 2:It's okay, matt, what do you got Fun fact.
Speaker 3:I don't have any. I enjoy this. The fun fact was me Fun factually this movie Well we're glad you brought this to us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely a good one. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:So Dave mentioned that this book in fact, I'm sorry, this movie came from a book of the same name and that name, again, is First Blood. So in the book, however, rambo actually dies. He gets shot by Troutman shot in the head by Troutman.
Speaker 1:That's wild.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that would have ended a long line of money for Stallone. Yeah, sure, he probably was like no, we're going to, we're going to take this part out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to rewrite this because I need sequels.
Speaker 3:Nobody see this part.
Speaker 1:You never saw this back on that knife Sap. It says that it was designed by Arkansin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Knife maker Jimmy Lyle. Hmm, so I guess he's the one that designed it. Then there were a bunch of knockoffs after that.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that people are making those are the ones that Matt and I got at the big M yeah, big M yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he didn't like this movie either, initially, stallone, when they were done filming it. Shout out to snowman guy, listen Sean. He was telling me about it that I guess they they had a rough cut of it and he was like this sucks Barry, and I don't want it out. And then he added music and different things to it and edited down to a reasonable time and then he loved it. He was like all right, it's good.
Speaker 2:Hour 33 was right on for this. Yeah, absolutely right on.
Speaker 1:I think they said the scene in the out in the woods like when they were chasing him. It was initially like 45, 50 minutes scene.
Speaker 3:Too much. Yeah, it would have been too long, way too much. It looks like the Marlboro Menthol scene, yeah they cut that they had to cut that because he I don't get it he caressed them.
Speaker 2:I don't get it, because that would have been great, because he's like oh man, if there was one thing that kept me cool.
Speaker 1:I was like what was it? No, it was those Marlboro Menthol. Actually, yeah, here it is. First cut was three and a half hours and was a train wreck.
Speaker 2:Did that include two hours of smoking, marlboro, menthol?
Speaker 1:There was a lot of why wasn't it?
Speaker 3:called Rambo first cut.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Seriously Well for sure Rambo wasn't in the name.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah shit, damn it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:First cut part.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, it's funky.
Speaker 2:Dave, you had mentioned how the script or Stallone said the script sucked, as chance would have it, this movie was. The script was purchased or the rights to it were purchased back in the early to mid 70s. Obviously, after the book came out right and it changed a number of hands, it, like it was, it, was owned by this guy, then Columbia owned it, then maybe Universal owned it or whoever the hell owned it. But the script itself went through a number of rewrites before it became known. You know what we know and love true to the book, rambo died in the original versions of the script, like again, that's, that's one that we just said. Like he's going to know, I need the possibility of sequels.
Speaker 2:Yeah actually, in one version of the, the roles or the, I should say the demeanors of Troutman and Tiesel were flip flopped, like Troutman was the asshole and Tiesel was actually the nice guy. Hmm, that would have been cool. It would have been different.
Speaker 1:Need to see amazing how things get changed around. You know Ties.
Speaker 3:This is actually a script like. This was supposed to be Judge Dredd, but I love Judge.
Speaker 2:Dredd, did you like it? I love getting me. I thought that was great.
Speaker 3:That was like the hardest watch movie I've ever experienced in my life.
Speaker 2:Sandra Block helped me to get me.
Speaker 3:Oh, that does help you put away that little helmet on or whatever they had. Oh yeah, she was so fine for cuddle time. God damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah. She just don't know. So how about the?
Speaker 3:electric speed.
Speaker 1:The people that you have. I know you got a list there.
Speaker 2:I got a list for just I only have just Rambo.
Speaker 1:So let's hear that.
Speaker 2:So, between all the rewrites and all the scripts changing hands over all that course of time, John Rambo could have been Robert De Niro. No Clint Eastwood, no Steve McQueen.
Speaker 3:He was like 70 at the time, james Kahn Also 70.
Speaker 2:Bert Reynolds no. Robert Redford no. I think Robert would be too posh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like too sophisticated for that role.
Speaker 2:Al Pacino to Italian. Easy, but was Rambo yeah.
Speaker 3:Rambo would have worked.
Speaker 2:Love a tender Rambo. John Travolta Watch the shoes. He at least would have had the hair right. Yeah, powers Booth Got a dance.
Speaker 1:Who the hell is that Powers Booth?
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, he had the mustache and yeah, so if you ever watched Deadwood, he played Psy Tolliver in Deadwood. He was a competing casino and gambling house and whorehouse owner against Never seen deadwood.
Speaker 3:Okay, powers Booth, that's just a cool name.
Speaker 1:It is cool.
Speaker 2:He was a. So Pat, let's see, he was in tombstone.
Speaker 3:Which guy was he? Into him stuff Okay.
Speaker 1:He was one of the bad guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was one of the bad guys. He had mustache he.
Speaker 1:Stacey Keechalokumus. I don't know if you know that is.
Speaker 2:I don't know who that is, but I know how I look up.
Speaker 3:I'll look up powers booth later. He's cool as shit Cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, last three I have that could have been Rambo Michael Douglas.
Speaker 3:The last one is funny.
Speaker 2:Nick Nolte and and Dustin Hoffman. Yes, dustin, actually it was offered to Dustin Hoffman. He turned it down. What Swear to God. Dustin Hoffman said fuck, no, that would have been wild to see him.
Speaker 3:My sheriff Tiesel, are you trying to seduce me? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wouldn't have been a good Rambo.
Speaker 2:No, he would have been radar, not Rambo. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So I also had on there. I don't know if you said Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who knows about these names of Travolta? That was a wild one that you said, chris, chris Salferson, okay okay but he was kind of hot back in the late 70s.
Speaker 2:I guess in there.
Speaker 1:What was that? One Convoy or? That's correct Convoy is absolutely correct.
Speaker 3:He was in, um, you know the show Alice with like Mel's diner. Yeah, of course he was in a movie called Alice doesn't live here anymore, I just watch it.
Speaker 2:The other day was nothing to do with Alice.
Speaker 3:Or does it? It does. That's who the whole thing was based on. It's in Mel's diner and it has flow and has Vera.
Speaker 2:I know that and Alice was played by Linda Lavin.
Speaker 3:Okay, this Alice was played by. Oh, my god, you know if you seen it. It's fine, it's fine, yeah, anyway, it's a cool movie. Oh wait, a second.
Speaker 2:Alice. The show mm-hmm has something to do. It's like a continuation of Alice.
Speaker 3:I was a movie. It's an offshoot of a movie. Huh, alice doesn't live here anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, this will tell you that I've never seen the movie. Alice doesn't live here anymore.
Speaker 3:Well, that's where Chris Christofferson was the love interest in that for real.
Speaker 1:Huh, robert Ducky. Mel Sharples, played by so here's some ones for a Colonel Sam Troutman, jackie Mason Milton Burrell, and I don't know this name, charles Nelson Riley Burrell. Yeah, briefly considered, you know I'm saying but, I, they ended up going with Richard Crenna, I think did a good job at it, mm-hmm. And yeah, that was pretty much all the other names you mentioned. I had as well for, except for the guy there, tien.
Speaker 2:John Travolta or Dustin Hoffman Hoffman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, austin Hoffman turned it down.
Speaker 1:Here's a crit. Here's one that like I cannot picture this guy Playing Rambo. But Stallone gave the blessing. John's app John's that. Maybe now I could see that. But uh, I Guess if he was ever to pass the baton he would have Ryan Gosling play Rambo, and I just can't picture that no, is that the guy was?
Speaker 2:He was just.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fuck. No, he was just dancing around on the Oscars and all that fuck no. But supposedly I guess when Ryan Gosling had said this when he was a kid, that movie put a spell on him and he dressed like Rambo went to school, would like pack knives and his like he was saying he was taking knives. It's when he was in the character he said I'd go on vacation as Rambo. Every I lived Rambo.
Speaker 3:He would like tap dance through the hole with a knife.
Speaker 2:It was absolutely fine to take that shit to school and I can promise you that, because you would show it to the teacher. Look what I got for show and tell.
Speaker 3:Maybe you could get away with it. Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:Rambo knife, probably for showing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, buck knife. Or yeah, a knife would pass a gun a little problem.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, now hold on. I can promise you that it on on my shore, the the kids that were going to Cumberland Valley when we were growing up. They were showing up with their their pickup trucks, or whatever. Okay, that's high school and they had well, they had their rifles like right behind, right back, definitely they, and even ever here like Central Dolphin East.
Speaker 1:They had kids from Dolphin ever. Do that?
Speaker 3:For sure, a big deal bow tech, a lot of hunters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he said if he ever passed up a ton, I'll pass it on to him because he loves the character. Fuck, no, no, I don't want to see that. I can't really picture anybody stepping in that role.
Speaker 3:They'll never do. They'll do Rambo like 30 years from now they might make a redo.
Speaker 1:Is there any act we?
Speaker 3:talked about this, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Sylvester Stallone, arnold Schwarzenegger, chuck Norris all these guys were talking about great actors and whenever they put a movie out back in the 80s, I would say the great actors.
Speaker 3:I should say great action, great action, great action stars.
Speaker 1:Is there anybody currently? Not that we care about new movies, because but a little bit. Is there anybody currently that you think could carry on the tradition? Are we? Are we just dead with that, with?
Speaker 3:action Everybody today that the stars are too. Is that Metro? Do? People still say that.
Speaker 2:Yes, they're still too. They're Metro. They're definitely too much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's manly anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's not like there's not that yet that look to somebody or me, I guess today you might have to dig deep into shows like the, the motorcycle shows, the way. Yeah, it's on the banner, that's sons of anarchy, like there's definitely some badass dudes out there that that are alive, and like they exist.
Speaker 1:Like Jason Statham.
Speaker 2:He's too old now.
Speaker 1:He's too old that they consider that like toxic masculinity or whatever. It's like frown the pond when you're acting as that's right.
Speaker 2:It's literally honestly, you're not allowed to be a man anymore. Right.
Speaker 1:And it's just like you can't have movies like that, I guess, anymore if you do. They gotta like, they gotta like.
Speaker 2:Toe the line down a little bit. You can't be too, because eventually we should all be one gender.
Speaker 1:I guess, but uh, yeah, just had me thinking about like those days are gone. What?
Speaker 3:was the show.
Speaker 1:It was like HBO show, it's okay, okay, true, yeah, true, there's a couple of yeah, true blood.
Speaker 3:There's a couple dudes in there that could be like some action stars, like even that action. Start today. The Aquaman dude.
Speaker 1:He's just not, jason yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't see him as like an action star kind of he's like to. He's got like long hair or something, I don't know leaving like the rock.
Speaker 1:I mean like rock but, then, he'll do he'll do, ones where he's, like you know, singing and dancing, and I think Keanu Reeves is the last bastion of. John, we have yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:John Wick is cool, but it's all it's but he's a different type of action hero. We can sit here and talk about whatever and what we think and what we would hope, but it all comes down to whomever is the flavor of that month? It's, it's really whomever Hollywood wants to push or whomever they want to.
Speaker 2:You know, move to that next level the next level who's owed a favor or who's you know gonna do this, that the other thing for the other guy like that's, that's who we're gonna see is the next thing, and again it's. I'm deeply saddened that we see this now that they the true action guys.
Speaker 3:It's that's not what's hip anymore. They'll never be a Stallone or a Schwarzenegger, nope ever. Those guys are. Their time has gone and right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, I was just curious about that. I can't think of anybody, but I like watching these older movies. Yeah, speaking of which we like to, we like to give a rating on our movies. Yeah so we say late fee return or burn, I guess. Matt, since it's your movie, why don't you start us off with?
Speaker 3:Um, I guess, yeah, at the time seeing this when I was young, I probably like, wow, this cool movie because of like they're like, you know, people are chasing this dude and stuff like that, today I'd watch it. Um, I mean, really wouldn't return it again, but if it was on Netflix or whatever, I'd watch it again. If that means like a set of, I would return it, but I watch it you return it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would actually. I'm thinking I'm gonna late fee this. Oh, because this was one that I Well. There again, I gotta put myself back in. That, that's right, you gotta put yourself today you don't have Netflix.
Speaker 2:You got one shot one shot one opportunity.
Speaker 3:Yes, you better lose your mom's spaghetti.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I guess now currently I would late fee it. I loved it. I'll probably gonna watch it again. I actually had to rent it and I'm gonna. I have a 48 hour rental, so I'm probably gonna watch it again because it's short and it's great. But I would back then I probably would have, probably would have returned it, I guess because I was just a little kid when I saw the first time and I didn't get the all the All the other side stories going on with it.
Speaker 1:really great movie, though I'm glad you picked it, matt.
Speaker 2:I was I will Harken back to what you had said, dave I was, I mean, really moved With the, with the whole backstory of Rambo, and when I'm reminded now as an adult About shit that I did not at all know about as a kid, that the, the horrors and the torment and the life thereafter that our Vietnam vets went through, like that was really fucking shitty. So that's the, I don't know. I think that for me was really a big draw, or would be a big draw for me, to rewatch this movie as much as I could while I had it. I don't know if I would late for it, but I would definitely be grudgingly return it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:After packing in as many watches as I could.
Speaker 1:I think we agree this is probably one of the better they held up. Move as far as holding up for me. I'm wise yeah for a time wise. I think this is one that I really really enjoyed watching.
Speaker 3:Yeah, glad I was picked so because, yeah, some of the ones we watch, they don't really the times they don't grab, yeah they don't. They don't because it's not, you couldn't, it's not relevant, to like today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love weird science, but it's not like. I'm a teenager and you know watching weird science that's right, so that's right but this movie hit me because you know I mean Rambo's younger than we are in this movie but, I don't know, I related.
Speaker 2:Such great hair. Definitely son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, so I guess we'll be back next week with a another true crime and back to Vintage Cinema review. You guys got anything else before we wrap this up?
Speaker 2:I got nothing, nothing.
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