Ol' Dirty Basement: True Crime and Vintage Movie Reviews
Join Dave, Matt and Zap every week as they cover a true crime or compelling story as well as Vintage Cinema and Album Review where they break down some of the best movies and music from the past.
Ol' Dirty Basement: True Crime and Vintage Movie Reviews
Sid and Nancy: Punk Rock's Most Notorious Romance and the Legacy of the Sex Pistols
"Send us a Fan Mail Text Message"
Dive into the depths of punk rock's most notorious love affair with our latest sonic exploration. We chart the chaotic course of Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen, from their tempestuous relationship to the indelible mark they left on the music world. Strap in for a rollercoaster ride through the gritty beginnings of punk, the rise and fall of the Sex Pistols, and the wild theories surrounding one of rock's most enduring mysteries.
Witness the unraveling of a cultural phenomenon as we trace the origins of punk's rebellious roar, from the primal screams of The Stooges to the Sex Pistols' notorious antics. Get up close and personal with the tragic narrative of Nancy, her intelligence shadowed by struggles from birth, and Sid's tumultuous journey from a troubled childhood to punk icon. It's not just a history lesson; it's a raw recount of the music and madness that forged an era.
As we bid farewell from the Ol' Dirty Basement, we leave you with reflections on the larger-than-life impact of the Sex Pistols, punk's persistent echo in today's music, and the curious ties that bind Neil Young to Johnny Rotten. Our conversation may have ended, but the legacy of Sid and Nancy, the pogo dance, and punk's reverberations continue to challenge and inspire. Thanks for tuning in; until next time, keep the spirit of punk alive and kicking.
Sounds:https://freesound.org/people/frodeims/sounds/666222/ Door opening
https://freesound.org/people/Sami_Hiltunen/sounds/527187/ Eerie intro music
https://freesound.org/people/jack126guy/sounds/361346/ Slot machine
https://freesound.org/people/Zott820/sounds/209578/ Cash register
https://freesound.org/people/Exchanger/sounds/415504/ Fun Facts Jingle
Thanks to The Tsunami Experiment for the theme music!!
Check them out here
SUPPORT US AT https://www.buzzsprout.com/1984311/supporters/new
MERCH STORE https://ol-dirty-basement.creator-spring.com
Find us at the following
Thanks for tuning in to the Old Dirty Basement On this week's episode. We're covering the tragic story of Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen.
Speaker 2:Not meant to be long for this world.
Speaker 3:It's a rock and roll love story yeah, in this episode you hear about sex pistols, drugs and rock and roll and sausages.
Speaker 1:That's right. We hope you enjoy it. And, speaking of that, if you are, leave that five-star rating on Spotify, on Apple a written review.
Speaker 4:And sit back, relax and enjoy. Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen. This is the old, dirty basement Home to debauchery, madness, murder and mayhem.
Speaker 3:A terror-filled train ride deep into the depths of the devil's den.
Speaker 4:With a little bit of humor, history and copious consciousness. I'm your announcer, shallow Throat. Your hosts are Dave, matt and Zap. I love you, Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3:Hey, this is Dave, Matt and Zap, and welcome to the old, dirty basement.
Speaker 1:Where every week we cover a true crime, murder or compelling story.
Speaker 3:So sit back, relax, relax and comprehend. Hello everyone, and welcome to another fantastic edition of old, dirty basement hey, everybody what's going? On yeah, it's just. Uh, it's getting warm out. I don't know when you guys are listening to this, but here in uh grand old pa, it's getting warm it's may and pa may I hear a true crime, please?
Speaker 3:yes, you may so this was your choice, matt yes, it was so tell us about it listening some music, I think I I was like looking at uh youtube and I just uh started uh going down those rabbit holes and uh looking at some stuff with uh, sid vicious and nancy. So a lot of people know about sid and nancy, but I don't think they really know the story behind sid and nancy. What band was sid looking at some stuff with Sid Vicious and Nancy? So a lot of people know about Sid and Nancy, but I don't think they really know the story behind Sid and Nancy.
Speaker 1:What band was Sid Vicious from?
Speaker 3:It's all before the set pesos.
Speaker 2:I've got a little drawing over here. That's bald right, and every time I hear Matt's English accent I'm going to put a hair on it.
Speaker 1:I was going to say there's going to be a lot of that.
Speaker 2:There's's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be a lot tonight.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be fully grown, but ends this. So I was surprised to find out, zap, that you're not really a punk rock fan in general no, hell, no, I did not know it's noise. To me it's absolutely noise see, I would have expected maybe you to like the sex pistols or think of them as uh, like I thought maybe you would have been into them a little bit no, to me it's great, it's nursery school rock it's.
Speaker 2:It's stuff that maybe three and four year olds could come up with like it. To me it's again, it's just noise okay not at all a fan I like the sex pistols.
Speaker 1:I mean I enjoy their music. I was late to the game with punk rock or rock in general, as we've talked about, but I think sex pistols or the ramones or bands like that are ones where if you want to start getting into punk rock or something, that's kind of where you start, maybe branch out from there, but yeah.
Speaker 3:No, but punk in England, like I think in the whole thing, the way I mean there's still people that are dressed punk today, Like there's still people that I mean look like they could be from the Sex Pistols walking around, I would say at a mall. But we don't have malls. But you know what I mean. You still see people out there that are so into that scene.
Speaker 1:Still, you know, with the studded bracelets and yeah, definitely the style and everything else was kind of a. It was a whole culture.
Speaker 2:I think that might've been a turnoff for me too, because it becomes if you're truly a punk rocker. It is all encompassing. It takes your whole life to to be a true punk rocker and we'll get into that little fun fact later. But yeah, it's too much, it's just too much.
Speaker 3:But I think, as Dave said or elaborated on before when we talk about these things, they would be the kind of people you would see out like true punk rockers, like the Sex Pistols. That's just who they were. That's what they wore.
Speaker 1:They didn't have to get ready to go on stage, because it's like they just came from their house right and like showed up and then played. Yeah, I know what zap's saying too, though.
Speaker 1:Like that whole culture, like they were just rebelling against everything when and, uh, you know, I mean that was all part of so they were punk they were being a punk yeah, yeah, but I mean it was definitely like unique and different and at the time I mean I couldn't imagine at the time these bands were coming out in the mid 70s and late 70s what the reaction was you can kind of see it today, except today they're being paid by big money to show up and do protests on college campuses yeah, yeah right, well, remember elvis presley was too.
Speaker 3:He couldn't really play too much of him on the radio he's waiting now listen, that guy was a sinner he was.
Speaker 5:He was shaking his hips on stage you can't do that.
Speaker 3:You can't do that right, hell, no.
Speaker 1:So I was curious just to see, before we get started, who was the original punk band. And there's there's some people that say it was the stooges. Uh, which?
Speaker 3:would be pop and the studio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say them and uh, there was a band, mc5, who was out of Detroit about the same time, late 60s. And then you had your Ramones and all the Sex Pistols and all these bands, the Damned in the mid 70s.
Speaker 3:I think Iggy Pop is punk. I would say the Stooges. Actually, if you hear any Stooges albums, the sampling off those, you'll hear them in a lot of songs today. I'm talking like radio songs.
Speaker 2:The stooges were pretty brilliant they were in doing my research I discovered that that there was an actual uh and remains an actual uh genre of music. It's called. It's the equivalent of pre-punk proto-punk that's it, thank you, proto-punk it was the dawning of punk, and that's where you'll find your iggy pop and the stooges, your mc5, that stuff all that early stuff yeah it sounds like the band mc5.
Speaker 3:I was thinking of like bamajera, like that was uh.
Speaker 1:Who was that yeah? Ck ck, cky, cky yeah, isn't wait.
Speaker 2:Isn't mc5, the mexican gang?
Speaker 3:yeah, you gotta watch, you can't. That's a cartel.
Speaker 1:Or was that Chris Rock, the rap group? That was. Cb4. Straight out of low cash. Straight out of low cash. Yeah Well, why don't we get into Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen?
Speaker 2:Let's get into it. I like her last name, Spungen. It's fun to say.
Speaker 1:I got a fun fact on that.
Speaker 2:Francisco. That's fun to say. It's fun to say all right away, we go with Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen. Sid Vicious's real name, fun fact, is Simon John Ritchie. He should have stuck with that name yeah, he could have played football for the Philadelphia Eagles or Cumberland Valley. Yeah, that's right, I remember I remember when John Ritchie ran me to hell over yeah, me too, all of us no.
Speaker 3:but I think that name is like a cool punk name like Simon John Ritchie, especially if you're British, just sounds good.
Speaker 2:I love the name Simon, but I think that's just a cool name. It is.
Speaker 3:I dig that he likes to do drawings.
Speaker 1:Indeed.
Speaker 2:Indeed, he does.
Speaker 1:Or kick people off of singing shows. There's that, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 2:All right. So he was born in May of 1957, never knew his father. Oh, his biological didn't bother no, during his formative years. It's alleged that his mother actually sold drugs to make ends meet.
Speaker 3:I did see a lot of Videos and things on him and on YouTube. Just, you know, rabbit-holing again. But uh, they said his mom was actually addicted to drugs and did that like on the side I don't know what else she did like real job wise, but she was. They said she was always doing something in the kitchen.
Speaker 2:It usually involved drugs hell, yeah, cooking shit up. Yeah, cooking shit up. So there's a story, I believe, about how he came to be so his mom had enrolled in or had become a part of the equivalent of the british army, right? So she was in that or did whatever she did for that, and she met some guy that was also the same thing. I call it the, the night guard, or whatever the hell he was doing.
Speaker 2:That sounds the night watch yeah there you go, the guard tower, so guardian there it is guardians of the tower, so these two linked up romantically bumped uglies?
Speaker 3:yeah, that means they had sexual interrelations sexy time sid was conceived.
Speaker 2:Uh, she ended up moving with sid to some faraway land like not you're like not europe, not, not england right, like africa I think, nobody knows of this faraway land I'm thinking it might still be in europe, it might have been france, for all I know, the east coast, whatever, who cares right? So they're sitting, they're waiting for this guy, like they're supposed to link up, like, hey man, we're gonna go, we're gonna go ahead and we'll see you when you get there. He just never showed up, he just ditched him just forget it, I'm not showing up.
Speaker 3:Sid was actually. He was conceived in a heroin spoon nice, they injected him the first heroin, spoon baby.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right, let's see. Um, over the course of time, he and his mom had moved around a few times. Uh, they ended up in east london by the time he was 14, uh, and at this time he took the name john beverly. So instead of simon john ritchie, he now became john beverly. He took that last name Beverly. So instead of Simon John Ritchie, he now became John Beverly. He took that last name from a dude to whom his mom had been married for all of six months, because after six months of wedded bliss, he died of kidney failure. Wow, how about that? That's a quick relationship.
Speaker 2:This guy's not having good success with father figures here.
Speaker 3:Who was the soul singer? Is that Frankie Beverly? Do you guys ever hear of him? Good success with the father figures here. Who is the one the soul singer? Is that frankie beverly? Do you guys ever hear?
Speaker 5:frankie, everly frankie, no, beverly, frankie, beverly he was one of the beverly brothers are you sure it wasn't the everly?
Speaker 2:oh, unless you're talking about beverly d'angelo no, she's a like.
Speaker 3:She has like a, a lot of houses or something. I think she's like a multi, multi, multi-millionaire. She invested well, the oh like the beverly hillbillies oh yeah okay.
Speaker 2:So when simon john ritchie, now known as john beverly, turned 16 in 1973, for his 16th birthday, his mom kicked him out of the house. That's love, yep, no. So matt to your point at this point. She was so strung out she was. It was just drugs all day, all day that's all she was doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that pretty much. That's what her all his friends said. They were like yeah, mom, yeah, she didn't, she didn't bother either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it got to the point where, look, it's either going to be you or me, so she kicked him out all right, she just wanted zoos over hanging out all them zoos, he's get out of here.
Speaker 2:All right. Not long after getting kicked out of his house, he dropped out of school, squatted around London with varying bum friends of his and earned money by doing street performances with one of his bum friends, a guy by the name of John Lydon. So by street performances I'm saying these are guys that are standing on the corners like one guy's playing a guitar, the other guy's playing a tambourine and they're just singing songs yeah, I hate that, yeah, and they're.
Speaker 2:They've got the open guitar case, you know, waiting for you to throw money in or whatever yeah that's what these guys are doing. In fact, I had read someplace these guys would play songs that people already hated, and they would play or sing them so terribly that people would pay them to stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what's what I was going to. I was thinking, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's what if you hear the way, the rendition of my way, the sex pistols rendition of my way is incredible.
Speaker 1:Well, it was, uh, that was just Sid Vicious. Yeah, that's what I mean. Oh, sid Vicious, I'm sorry yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, now John Lydon had taken the nickname of Johnny Rotten, and good old John Beverly took the nickname of Sid Vicious.
Speaker 1:Which are cool names for a band Sure.
Speaker 3:Do you guys know the fun facts behind that? There were four Johns. No, the Johnny Rotten and the Sid Vicious.
Speaker 1:Well, I know the Johnny Rotten because of his teeth.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, he had rotten teeth, like really horrible teeth so they called him Johnny Rotten. Rotten sid vicious was named after a dude's hamster. That's correct. Who?
Speaker 1:was named after give me a second the guy that got kicked out of pink floyd, sid. Um, yeah, barrett said barrett. Yeah, I think it was spelled uh s-y-d that guy's name, I don't know why. I remember that I watched the show about the uh album cover art for like pink floyd and all those bands and it went into the history of those bands. But yeah, sid Barrett, that's why that name rung a bell. But you wouldn't put these guys as Sex Pistols on the level of like a Pink Floyd then. No. Matt.
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying I'm even a fan of Pink Floyd.
Speaker 1:Right right right.
Speaker 2:But equally, I would certainly agree that Pink Floyd, musically, is great, Talented. They have incredibly structured songs. It's awesome, and what they do and how they had done things for so long was just absolutely incredible, versus a handful of guys that get together and are lucky to hold their hands on a guitar, let alone know how to play it, and just bang out noise. My opinion hey look, opinions are like assholes on a guitar, let alone know how to play it, and just bang out noise.
Speaker 1:My opinion hey look, opinions are like assholes do you think these guys and these punk bands that were around that time just were like hendrix and those guys? Already? They've already come and gone. Why don't we just go out and play raw and yeah?
Speaker 3:the punk was a whole movement. It was the whole against, like the system, it was the whole anarchy.
Speaker 1:Well, that that too, but I'm saying just the musically. If you look at like the guys that come before you and you're like, well, I'm not, like I'm never going to be able to play like a solo like that or do this or that or write a masterpiece, so I'll just make like the most raw like you're saying, as a punk, like the ramones, don't have a masterpiece. Or like uh, well, I mean maybe for the sex pistols.
Speaker 3:Don't have a song that would be considered like a masterpiece.
Speaker 1:I'm no musician so I can't really say, but I would say maybe what you got, you play drums but I'm saying like yeah guitar. Like you guys are musicians. Do you look at musicians and go?
Speaker 2:I'll probably never play like that, Of course, and if I was in a band like I, better like, stay in my lane and do something simpler, and not necessarily so I I will. I'll give matt certainly the credit on this one that indeed the whole concept of punk or whatever was more that rebellion, that movement, and I think, just the the angst and and upsetedness and whatever that was writhing in these kids at the time.
Speaker 1:It just came out like, instead of screaming out loud and just standing on buildings and screaming and wanting everything handed to them, which they did, they instead just, you know, well, okay, let's all get together and you know we're gonna, you know, turn it into a song I think even now with hip-hop, with rap now I grew up and I was a big hip-hop fan and lyrically and beats wise and all that I would would say like stuff in the eighties and nineties is like the golden era of hip hop, like the best stuff to me was out then. And I hear people complaining about new rap, art and mumble rappers and all this. You know they can't rap.
Speaker 2:I can't understand a word.
Speaker 1:they say Right, but you think in like 20, 30 years.
Speaker 3:I'd be like oh are trendsetters and geniuses and you know. But our, our kids growing up listen to the stuff that we used to listen to in the 90s, the 80s and 90s, even early 2000s. The way that we used to listen to our parents when they would put on like like saying elvis, like an elvis presley record, it's not like. What the heck is this?
Speaker 2:same shit. That's absolutely right, it is the same shit like.
Speaker 3:So we we don't fully understand what they're listening to is because it's something that they didn't grow up with right, so that's what I'm saying. So it's foreign to us like our ears aren't, like they're little. Whatever those things are called in your ears aren't responding correctly to what it is. But I think I think punk was so influential even up till today, like I just think it's a movement. Like I don't think the sex pistols are really appreciated. The same pink floyd I think is genius, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I zap said he's kind of not into him and you said you know, to be clear, I'm not saying but I think floyd's songs are I'm not going to go out of my way to listen to them, but I will admit they are. They're a phenomenal band, like the so many of their songs with which I am familiar are great, great, incredible songs. I'm just saying I'm not going to go. You know, look up a playlist to make a playlist. It's not on there like Spotify or anything.
Speaker 1:Right, right, I got you.
Speaker 3:But I think the Sex Pistols and just punk even to bands that you hear today, I think it's just a strong not saying Sex Pistols are the one that started it, but it's just a strong music base and I appreciate the music.
Speaker 1:No, I agree. Like I said, said I like them. I'm just trying to I don't know play devil's advocate here.
Speaker 2:No, please, yeah because I like the devil's side of this, look, I'll give. I'll give a little bit of credit to the ramones, like I like I can do a handful of ramones songs but I mean again other than that again people got. People just have different likes right again hip-hop versus punk versus decent rock. You know that you just have these.
Speaker 3:That was a jab and then you have nickelback that's right. That's exactly when it all comes out at the end okay.
Speaker 2:So old john ritchie is now sid vicious. Let's take a break from that and let's learn about nancy, nancy spongin, good old nancy. Born in february of 1958, she was raised in a nuclear family with a mother, father, little brother and little sister with no problems at home.
Speaker 3:I thought you meant like, like by tmi or something yeah, no, they glowed at night oh okay, that's awesome indeed, uh now.
Speaker 2:However, nancy was a difficult baby. She was prone to crying fits and temper tantrums all the time.
Speaker 3:So she was a baby, I guess An actual child.
Speaker 2:So there are babies and then there are difficult babies.
Speaker 3:What is that called Colicky? There you go, colicky.
Speaker 1:Well, fun fact on that, she was born with the umbilical cord around her neck. Okay, on that, she was born with the umbilical cord around her neck. Okay, so that early on she had a rough, like you know. Even from the start she was close to death, I guess, uh, like right out of the womb, you know. So I don't know. They were saying sometimes with kids like that there was I think it was ed gein or one of the people we covered that had psychiatric issues later they were choked out yeah, there was a, there was more than one that that when that happens and it kind of opens up the possibility of maybe some mental issues or different things.
Speaker 3:That dude from NXS.
Speaker 1:He did that later.
Speaker 3:They were like that from the gate.
Speaker 2:If he was doing that in the womb. That's real messed up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's messed up.
Speaker 2:Well, despite her difficulties, she was actually a really smart girl, like extremely smart. She did extremely well in school, but as a trade-off to that, she had very few friends. Uh, she was notorious. Notorious for acting out for attention again, the temper, tantrums, the whatever this carried on through her life. This was look at me, look at me, look at me, I'm gonna scream. I'm gonna shout. I'm gonna be that nuisance in the, in the grocery store or the, wherever or whenever I'm out, I'm gonna shout.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna be that nuisance in the, in the grocery store or the, wherever or whenever I'm out, I'm gonna the sound like a song right there, like I'm gonna scream, I'm gonna shout, I don't care where I'm out. That's right, I didn't even try that. I know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Hey, that's punk, dude, I was born to be a punk rock like don't you, don't, I'm a punk rocker, yes, I am. At 11 years old, she was expelled from school for ditching classes. This was public school, government school. She ran away. She was put in a boarding school, from which she ran away when she was 14 years old. When she was found, she attempted suicide by slitting her wrists. That's at 14.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:At 15 years old she was diagnosed with schizophrenia. She ultimately made it through high school, graduating early, I might add and was accepted into the University of Colorado at the age of 16. 16. One year away, not bad. Oh, fun fact, she grew up Pennsylvania, outside of Philly. Yeah, I was going to say outside Philly outside philly I saw that yeah hometown girl home. She's been living in her something world white bread. Is that what they say? He definitely says white bread.
Speaker 2:Okay, I love white bread, especially sourdough oh, so good man, if only I had somebody who could make sourdough fun fact.
Speaker 3:I just cut up. We had sourdough bread. I cut it up and put it in the toaster before I came here and did not punch down the toaster. I forgot it's sitting there. It's waiting for me when I get home.
Speaker 1:That's going to be some sourdough.
Speaker 3:But like a nice slab of butter on there that's going to be especially delicious when you get home.
Speaker 2:It might be crusty, though, from sitting out, it's going in the toaster. Bruh, you're right, it's gonna get toasty in there too. It's gonna be so good, or crusty, I should say sourdough, all right. So she's in college, 16. She did not last long in college. Uh, she actually got expelled during her freshman year for having twice been arrested for possession of stolen property. In fact, not only was she expelled from school, she was banished from the state. Damn like banished. Get out of colorado.
Speaker 3:Hey, officer vince, you know that I know they could do that, the town line take them over to bridge.
Speaker 2:No, take her the hell out of the state how do you do that though?
Speaker 2:it was. So this was a result of a plea bargain. So her dad, her dad flew in and said look, man, man, I get it my daughter's kicked out of college. I get this, that and the other thing, but she's 16 or whatever. I can't have her go into prison for being found or having been found with stolen property twice. What kind of an arrangement can we come to? And the state had said okay, we'll make you a deal, we won't incur the costs of imprisoning her here if you get her the hell out of this state and she never comes back. That's essentially how that works.
Speaker 1:So that's a win-win. I don't know how they enforce that. That'd be tough, that is crazy.
Speaker 3:Put your toe in, but you got to feel sorry for her, though. I mean like border protection was much better back then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true.
Speaker 3:I back then yeah, true, I'm just saying how smart she was and and the schizophrenia wasn't helping. I think if you go like at 16, to be in college is not where you want to be at 16, you know? No, that'd have been hard for her?
Speaker 2:well, she was not. She didn't have friends. She wasn't good at making friends in the first place because I think she was so smart and like it yeah it puts somebody in in that situation and it's not a good situation to be in yeah, you're not mentally ready for no, not mentally.
Speaker 3:Especially battling like actual schizophrenia can't be easy to live with, no, so I mean, it's one of those things and all of a sudden she's doing things, acting out, but I don't, I don't think it was her fault, it's kind of something that it's not a cool god thing no, did you say, not a cool god thing? Yeah, okay you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:No, what does not a cool god thing mean?
Speaker 3:well, I mean because they say you know, god works mysteriously and all this other stuff. But I mean he there's. There's things that people have, there's stuff that happens that you're just like that. That's not cool. Why would that happen to somebody? Oh I'm just saying it. It's something that she had. It was, you know, god knows everything. He's all beings all around thanks the lord it's yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't mean it in any kind of way, does it?
Speaker 3:matter that she was Jewish. I think she yeah, she was, she was sponging, sponging.
Speaker 1:Speaking of sponging, fun fact sponging sausages. You remember those Dutch master meats?
Speaker 2:That was a Harris, that was a rap name. Look, as soon as you said sponging sausages I I thought that was going way south.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, dutchmaster Meats was a Harrisburg.
Speaker 3:Dutchmaster.
Speaker 1:Meats. Yeah, no, you're thinking of the cigars or whatever those are Dutchmasters. Dutchmasters, that's correct, yeah but Dutchmaster Meats was a Harrisburg-based meat company. Yeah, scratching and stuff, they made a sausage. It was called Spungen's Sausage. Never heard of banging if you live in the harrisburg area in the 80s into the 90s.
Speaker 1:People love spongens I'll have to ask about this yeah, definitely good sauce I still talk with some people who are from the hood yeah, and I don't know if, uh, if it's any relation, maybe because I think the spelling was the same of the company that owned dutch master meats was called spongens was the name of the company, but they just always called them Spungeons sausages growing up.
Speaker 2:So let's see. Kicked out of the state, she's back home, outside of Philly. At 17 years old, she ran away from home and went to New York City and, in addition to working varying odd jobs no surprise she worked as a prostitute.
Speaker 3:She was so good at that. I think a BJ at that time was called a Nancy. Yeah, they named it after her. No, it was a Spungen, a Spungen. Yes, for extra money you get a Dutch master. You get a Dutch master and a Spungen.
Speaker 2:A double Dutch master. She also became a groupie, that's a band thing, following the popular bands of the time.
Speaker 1:Do people still do that groupie? Shit yeah, yeah, shit yeah, that's never going to.
Speaker 2:Until music stops, there will be groupies.
Speaker 1:It seems like it was more of a like 60s, 70s, 80s, maybe thing.
Speaker 2:They are for damn sure still a. Thing.
Speaker 3:Well, I think there's, like, I think, a groupie, or like a fan, a groupie or a group of women. A groupie, a group of women that would do anything to be with the band, correct. But there could be women that are fans, that like hanging out with the band but don't necessarily have to have sex with the band, correct?
Speaker 2:Look, are you bringing in?
Speaker 3:almost famous into this, I just thought about it I was like wait, that is almost famous. You basically just described the plot line of the band-aid.
Speaker 2:She's a band-aid, you're right right no so the chicks that hang out with the band are actually has a band.
Speaker 3:Now the band. Did you know that? No, uh, kate hudson yeah, good for her.
Speaker 2:She's a singer now.
Speaker 3:She also does a lot of television commercials well, her dad was a singer, he was part of the hudson's, they were the three a three group band and her mom was Goldie Hawn. That's correct and still is Goldie Hawn and still is. And Kurt Russell raised her because her dad, hudson, who was in the band the Hudson's, he didn't bother with her.
Speaker 2:Her biological didn't bother, Not at all. Meanwhile, back to Sid. So when last we left Sid, he dropped out. He changed his name. He's now hanging around as a bum in the King's Road section of London, which at the time was also known as Swinging London. This proved to be quite fortuitous for Sid. Hanging around a music scene long enough, you're bound to meet some people. You're bound to meet some people. In 1975. Johnny rotten was recruited to join a newly formed band known as the sex pistols. In 1976. Sid formed a band known as the flowers of romance, which went nowhere. Fun fact, Sid was a front runner for the position of lead singer for the band the damned he actually failed to arrive for the audition.
Speaker 2:They singer for the band the damned. He actually failed to arrive for the audition, they just gave it to the other guy yeah, dave, uh dave, I forget his last name not mustaine, no, no mustaine hello me dave davian or something like that, or yeah that guy, yeah, they just gave it to vanian.
Speaker 1:That's what it is, dave vanian well, don't matter, I'm still laughing.
Speaker 2:Hello me, meet the real me. Me again. Uh, let's see, oh yeah, let's see. Sid remained a mainstay in london's punk scene all day, every day. Like all this guy did was go to shows again. He was a grumpy dude. He is dude, he was just a bum. He just went to shows. All he did was beg for money and then go to shows. That's it. Shows he particularly fancied were those of the not surprisingly, the Sex Pistols, and why not? His buddy, johnny Rotten, is in there. These guys came up together in school. They met in school. They did whatever, changed their own names, they were going to do whatever. So he loved his good buddy's band. He ended up becoming their biggest fan, never missing a show, becoming their biggest fan, never missing a show. Uh, in fact, other fans of the band would come to the show, just to egg sid on during the show like egg him on to do shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like no, do this sid. Come on, do it again. Do it again. Uh, because at every show sid became a high on amphetamines and drunken maniac. Fun fact. This is uh, more for matt's sake. Sid invented the pogo dance.
Speaker 3:Yes, the jumping up and down, that's right. They gave it to Sid.
Speaker 2:They gave it to Sid. That actually came about as a means of him mocking people who came to see Sex Pistols performances but who were not part of the whole punk movement. Ie, posers, huge, huge word. So like for Matt's sake. So let's say Matt has a day job, matt has a normal life, but Matt goes to punk shows. When Matt shows up and Matt doesn't have ripped shirts and a mohawk and a cool leather jacket and safety pins in his nipples and weird shit, they would call him a poser. Because, dude, well, you're not punk man, man, you're straight edge man. You're not into punk. Hard enough, man you're not hard.
Speaker 3:We used to say that to kids that showed up with like cool skateboards when we were like younger, like there's no scuff marks.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no scuff marks, yeah I feel like else he's a poser, that's because he didn't have, like the uh, the flip haircut right.
Speaker 1:The board was too clean yeah, the board was too clean, man fun fact the drummer short-lived, but was the drummer for Suzy and the Banshees.
Speaker 2:I did read that. Yeah, I did read that it didn't last long.
Speaker 1:I mean they didn't record it, but there was a show they were at. It was the Damned was there, sex Pistols, Suzy and the Banshees, and they were all there. He played for a show that after they were done, he was hanging around. Like you said, he would just do crazy shit. He was cracking beer bottles or glasses, throwing them at the stage. One of the girls in the audience, I think, caught a shrapnel of glass in her eye and like lost sight in one of her eyes, I believe.
Speaker 3:So the guy was just like a menace yeah, they said, uh, there was a show in some part of london or wherever. And they said, uh, somebody was making fun of the sex pistols. And I guess sid got so pissed he went outside like where there was trash or whatever, and found uh like a bicycle, like a chain, and came in and like beat the shit out of this guy like him with the chain yeah, beat him with the chain while like the band was playing and stuff and like everybody's like cheering him on and dancing, beating this dude with a chain, like nobody stepped in, or anything like that, that's real messed up.
Speaker 3:So like, yeah, and they were all like yes, see so again.
Speaker 2:This guy's just got so jacked up on whatever high he was on not heroin at the time, not heroin, but again like amphetamines speed and just get so boozed that he was just out of control completely out of control.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they said people would have drugs and sid would just go up and like grab them from people and take them and then like afterwards he'd be like what was that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I watched like a video of them performing and there was like a documentary they were showing them and he's like grabbing people's drinks out of the audience, downing them, smoking their, whatever. You know, who knows what they have? You know, dude, weed, weed or something worse. You know what I mean? There's nothing. There's nothing more disturbing.
Speaker 2:I see like that, if I'm in the city or some shit, there's a cigarette butt, you know, a planter or something outside where people put their, extinguish their cigarettes, like before you walk into a building right so when you see bums walking by and they they're sifting through to find decent enough cigarettes and they pull them out and they relight them yeah, I used to do that as a teenager nice times is tough man but it was my dad's cigarette I see you know he would never smoke them all the way down.
Speaker 1:I got you so I would be like, oh, here's one yeah, that's different than random people picking up random butts.
Speaker 3:I think my cousins and I used to do that at weddings.
Speaker 2:Awesome, yeah yeah, and then like and it drinks or did you puke through the sunroofs of Porsches then? No, we did not. No, that would have been awesome.
Speaker 3:But you do go like outside, because everybody goes outside and smokes and you go in and like grab a cigarette and find like leftover drinks.
Speaker 1:So at this time the bassist in the Sex Pistols was a different gentleman. So Sid Vicious was just kind of there.
Speaker 2:He was with Susie and the Banshees briefly, but these shows he was with suzanne, abansis briefly, but these shows he was just showing up as kind of like he was a fan.
Speaker 1:He was just a fan at this point. He was just a fan of the sex pistol, but he had a good, he had a good look for that scene.
Speaker 2:He was the look, he was, he defined england punk right.
Speaker 2:He absolutely defined british punk. In december of 1976 good old nancy spongin flew to l London traveling as a groupie with a punk band, the Heartbreakers. There she met Sid the night she landed. At the time she paid him very little mind. Touring with the Heartbreakers, she was bound to be introduced to other punk bands In this case. She swiftly came to know the London punk scene and the Sex Pistols, and at every show to which she went she was bound to see Sid. The two began to run in the same circles and eventually became lovers. In February of 1977, speaking of bassists, glenn Matlock, the bassist for the Sex Pistols, left the band. Glenn Matlock, the bassist for the Sex Pistols, left the band. Now, despite not being able to play bass, sid Vicious was recruited to take his place. In March 1977, sid and Nancy moved in together. By this time Nancy was a heroin addict and would soon to introduce Sid to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that Glenn Matlock, that was the guy that was originally in the band and they said he actually had musical talent. He was a very good guitarist. Well, he played bass. The other guy was the guitarist Jones, I think his name was Steve. Jones, steve Jones.
Speaker 3:Sid actually asked him for lessons. They said the Glenn Matlock. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, there was a thing with the guy that kind of put this whole thing together.
Speaker 2:His name was malcolm mclaren yeah, I'm sorry for starting over myself there, but there's so much underlying stuff that we will get through and to and through and it's, in hindsight, looking back, like this glenn matlock was just a fucking asshole, like a real asshole. He took people's lives and just wanted to make it into theater well, you're talking about malcolm mclaren.
Speaker 1:What did I say?
Speaker 3:or oh you're talking about Malcolm McLaren, what did I say? Or Matlock, you said you were saying Matlock I meant to say Malcolm McLaren.
Speaker 2:That's what I meant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that McLaren almost was putting this super group together like based on not so much super group but like, based on like the looks and everything else like that. So he thought Sid Vicious had more of a look.
Speaker 2:The theater but look.
Speaker 1:The theater.
Speaker 2:The theater yeah, he's doing it for the shock value. You name it.
Speaker 1:Now did you guys see at the time there was a TV appearance that kind of spawned all this for them to get rid of the Matlock. He was kind of. There's rumors that this McLaren pushed him out and had Johnny Rotten and everybody turning on Matlock. And now I'm thinking of the show from the 80s Boom, boom With.
Speaker 2:Andy Griffith.
Speaker 1:But they went on almost like an equivalent of like a Johnny Carson or something over in England. It was live, though, and the Sex Pistols went on there they had a record deal with EMI at the time, okay and they went on this live TV show and McLaren was like look, behave yourselves, don't do anything stupid. Well, they go on and they're swearing and like just acting. That's what the doors did, that too. When they told um, actually, suzy and the band suzy from suzy, she was there. There were a couple girls behind them and, uh, this guy was like you got, they were going back and forth. He's like you got five seconds left. Do you have anything else to say in there? Yeah, you know, fuck off, or what I don't know, and it was all on live tv.
Speaker 1:So after that, emi was like you guys are done right, and that madlock had enough, he was out I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 2:You can already see this thing just going way too far. Like look, we're just here for the band, we're trying to make music here, malcolm, like fuck you and your shock value. Like what you're trying to do here. You're trying to get us stirred up and you're trying to get everything stirred up into something that doesn't need to be man I'm surprised that nancy would have went for sid before he was in the band.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying doesn't surprise me that, not after a month, that sid is now the bassist, despite not being able to play bass within a month, him and nancy are living together like that's nancy's, that's nancy's ultimate goal.
Speaker 3:This is, this is like courtney love and kurt cobain I got you yeah, they're you, johnny Rotten, actually in the movie and also he does it. Friends of his were at this party and I guess it's where you know. Nancy was already going to all the concerts hanging out, so they're at this party and Johnny Rotten and Sid were sitting there. Like how, we're sitting here like this.
Speaker 3:They were like yeah, just bullshit, and have blankets on them and stuff at the party and I guess Nancy was high or or whatever. It's like walking around looking for people to hook up with and I she saw johnny and she goes to like get up to him. She's like come on, let's have sex, let's, let's do it, and stuff like that and johnny rotten was all pissed. He's like. He's like I hate american women. He's like oh you, you want sex, you want sex.
Speaker 3:He's like sex is boring he's like get away from me yeah, so I mean I guess sid was right next to him. So she turned over, started rubbing on sid. Sid was like you know, whatever, like let's get it in.
Speaker 1:They said after that he was hooked and he was probably like 20 at the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and well, some people were saying that that was his first oh, wow, and like, I guess that doesn't surprise me I guess she knew so much like sexually, I guess sid, his world was just rocked and like after that they were inseparable a couple other things on that.
Speaker 1:Malcolm mclaren, who's like the kind of behind all this. He had a boutique called sex yep and that's kind of where they got the name sex pistols from. He started that boutique after alice cooper was visiting over there in england and came into a store at the time looking for like he wanted like something unique, like different, like a shirt for his look, and he got started thinking, oh, I, I could tie that into music and I should get into music as well. And that's when he decided at that point that was in like 1972 like at some point I want to get into managing bands and tying the look to the bands and doing all that. So that's kind of where he came up with the idea of like the sex pistols and having a look and doing the music as well. He also was a. He was involved with the New York Dolls Yep. He was involved with Adam Ant. Adam and the Ants I'm sorry, adam Ant.
Speaker 3:Adam.
Speaker 1:Ant and Bow Wow, wow, remember them the 13 year old girl. No, I Want Candy.
Speaker 2:No, oh, I Want Candy. No, oh, that was them, that was her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was a chick.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a group, no, but the girl was like 13. That was the singer of that song.
Speaker 3:I had no idea. I thought you meant Little Bow Wow.
Speaker 1:No, that's the rapper. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:See, and I was thinking of the lyric from Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1:Bow, wow, wow. Oh yeah, bow yeah, but he was involved with all of them.
Speaker 2:Look at how this all ties together. Mm-hmm, huh, all right, so Sid's now a Sex Pistol. After having been dropped by two record labels, the Sex Pistols signed with Virgin Records and released their first album, and despite being the band's bassist, almost none of Sid's bass playing appears on that album. Now there is one song, one song, and Matt, tell me if I'm wrong, you're the punk master here.
Speaker 2:To my knowledge there is only one song, but his bass track on there is turned down so low that it sounds almost like fading way. Faded in the back rhythm guitar. Faded in the Back rhythm guitar and actually Steve Jones, there, the Sex Pistols guitarist Rerecorded and Rick what's now on that album as the true bass track for that song? That one song, but again every other song, like if there's ten songs on that album, eight of them were recorded by the guy that quit and that stuck around, glenn Glenn. What's his name? Glenn Frye. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Glenn Glenn Matlock, glenn Matlock. So so eight of the ten were done by matlock, not andy griffith, right, and two were basically two were the base was done by uh steve, uh steve jones yeah, so he's just there for eye candy.
Speaker 1:He was there for eye candy.
Speaker 2:Well, this ain't a live show. Just like matt and I on this podcast that's it, man, you guys are here for the looks.
Speaker 3:It's just eye candy, that's it but they're saying like a live show that, um, that sid couldn't. He couldn't even play like a full song because, of just being so messed up, so like just doing crazy stuff, like he couldn't even play a whole song they had a, uh, they had.
Speaker 1:They said on some of the early shows, many of them, they they had somebody behind the curtain playing.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So he's basically out there just strumming, doing nothing, but he's not even plugged in.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. I think he just played like a power chord, right. He's just like dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum like the whole time.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's what I would be doing. I can't play.
Speaker 5:I can't play. Yeah, I mean, if you can have somebody to play bass either.
Speaker 3:But I'm just saying like, if they teach, you how to play, sure whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, I don't even know if I could look like I'm playing?
Speaker 2:No, not even.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what to do.
Speaker 2:It's like watching Michael J Fox do the guitar work in Back to the Future, you can tell on playing that's what I like see when people know.
Speaker 1:Like I love that in movies where people call out bullshit, that no, like oh, that's bullshit, that's not real. Like I is a, you know just a movie. I don't catch it because I'm not a musician. I don't play guitar.
Speaker 3:That's interesting take a look, you'll see it the best if you, if you look back on um saved by the bell like their bands those are great.
Speaker 1:Is it bad?
Speaker 3:like they're like you hear, like a symbol, like when, uh, what's his name? Mario Lopez? No, mario Lopez is like playing the drums, it's like a and he's like, he's going like this yeah. It's hitting the air.
Speaker 1:You're like how's he doing? My only chance is when somebody's playing with he's faking it yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, so not for nothing but absent linking up with Nancy, joining the sex pistols may have been the worst thing that ever happened to sit, so understand it like. Prior to this he was just an overly excited fan. Actually joining the band afforded money and publicity and every show thereafter was done for more shock value than music, and that's shit we've talked about. Sid had been into booze and speed and other drugs for quite a while. It was Nancy who'd introduced him to heroin. The two became inseparable and both addicted to heroin, both into their shared volatility with one another. The Sex Pistols, now with Nancy in tow, toured in varying parts of Europe from July 1977 to October 1977. Their debut album was released at the end of that month. Sid and Nancy's tumultuous relationship continued. In January 1978, the Sex Pistols made their way to the United States to tour. Nancy was forbidden to join and sid went on a strict methadone regiment. The tour lasted two weeks. It ended on january 14th and it would be their last. Johnny rotten quit the band that night so they're um.
Speaker 2:Never mind the bullocks, yep yeah, here are the sex pistols. Here come the is.
Speaker 1:Here are the sex pistols. Here come the sex pistols. I don't know, you know what that is? Bullocks, bollocks.
Speaker 2:So bollocks. It has multiple meanings.
Speaker 1:It's like testicles, right Balls, balls is one Also rubbish.
Speaker 3:Crap. Yeah, it's rubbish, it's not true?
Speaker 1:Bollocks it's like bullshit correct calling bullshit yep exactly instead of bullshit bollocks. So never mind the bullshit, yep, or never mind the testicles, never mind the balls. Okay, I wonder which one I?
Speaker 3:don't know. Um, they were saying that that nancy was the one like the sex pistols were all kind of like grooving and stuff together because they started getting some recognition hanging out, and she was the one that would put in the sid's head like why are you with this band now? Like you're, you're better yeah, you're so much better than these guys. Like you don't need them, why aren't you the lead singer? What does johnny have that you don't have, or?
Speaker 2:why are you away from me like? Why are you out of my sight?
Speaker 3:it's she was. She was weird man.
Speaker 2:She was a little, a little crazy little, a little bit schizophrenic I wonder if you're schizophrenic, like if you know your other personality, Like do you guys talk?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you wonder about that. I also think about their ages at this time. Like we're talking about them, they're 19, 20 years old, like they're kids, still you know, figuring everything out, and it's just like that's so much to take on and handle at that time. Money, I don't know that this is a lot of money they're getting, but more than they had and, uh, this is a whole lifestyle.
Speaker 2:So we were talking about that. Malcolm dude, the manager, or whatever malcolm mclaren.
Speaker 1:Malcolm mclaren.
Speaker 2:So this asshole. Instead of booking them in like new york city shows or la shows or something where punk is actually good and popular and people are going to go see him, he booked him in texas yeah, probably for the drugs dude he was played, that he had them booked at cowboy bars. Like these people are in two country and I'm not talking the country that even we grew up with, I'm talking real deal. Holy field, original country.
Speaker 2:Right, they can't stand punk bands right so by the time these guys are done with this two-week tour of again just cowboy hick places oklahoma these guys are pissed, especially like johnny ron or even sid, like they couldn't stand each other. The fans couldn't stand the band and the band couldn't stand the the attendees.
Speaker 3:Yeah, imagine going to a sex pistol show in like a cowboy hat, like you just got done listening to willie nelson in your ford pickup before you pulled up in there I liken it to imagine that.
Speaker 2:So you see, there was the, the evangelical churches on television, right, the televangelist, and they have the crazy ass. You know, the choir singing and all that. Imagine going to one of those churches and the sex pistol start playing.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2:Pretty much I'd go to that church these people wanted nothing to do with the sex bill, so this guy was just a jerk just to create basically create a fight between the band and the fans or the people in attendance.
Speaker 1:That's wild. I was wondering, maybe if he did it for the keep them away from like the drugs, cause they'd be hard to land drugs in, like some of those towns. You know what I mean. Like I can't send them to New York or LA because of the maybe not.
Speaker 3:What did you hear? Mclaren sent him to holland that they were trying to get, when they were trying to get sid clean like away from nancy and that's like the worst place to go, because everything's legal there yeah, yeah that's.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:They were like what the hell is he trying to do? Yeah, why did you have this? Because I couldn't see you through dave's head oh no, I didn't know if you were like oh, we're going into that oh, no, no, no, I'd let you know I can talk to you. Yeah, but McLaren was like I got a great, I got a great place for them in Holland and they're like is that the best idea? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now bandless. Sid flew from San Francisco to New York city a few days after the sex pistols broke up, and on his flight he nearly overdosed on diazepam, methadone and alcohol. He was in a coma when he landed. He sounds fun. Yeah, I would have loved to have been on that flight.
Speaker 3:I know that would have been a great flight.
Speaker 2:I think of that scene from Leonardo.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, leonardo DiCaprio movie Wolf of Wall.
Speaker 2:Street Wolf of Wall Street when he wakes up and he's tied with seatbelts to the thing. What's going on here? Where are the lewds?
Speaker 3:it's okay, man I got him shoved up my ass. It's all right. No, what was, um? What was the drug that they, they were waiting on? Remember the one he finally took towards the end? They, like they found him for, like the 70s, where they don't make them the same anymore that way, lewds, it was a quail, it was a certain type of quail, it was.
Speaker 2:So in the the wolf of wall street there were these old I mean Matt's talking about it. I can't remember the exact name, but yeah, it's these white.
Speaker 3:Are they yellow? Yeah, these quaaludes. Or were they yellow? Yeah, they were these yellow quaaludes. Oh, lemon, something, yes, yeah yeah, oh my gosh, it's all right. But yeah, they were just waiting for the specific time and date, the perfect day to take these quaaludes, because there's they don't exist anymore so they're saying, like the high, like a bottle of champagne, yeah, like the high was incredible so they yeah, and they were like wait, I think these things are bonk yeah, next thing you know yeah, he can't even walk.
Speaker 3:He wrecks a lamborghini. Yeah, he's like nothing happened last night. Now that's getting high, man yeah like people say they smoke a like, smoke a joint or something today, and they're like man. I was real high but like those dudes, took drugs back then.
Speaker 2:Real drugs, yeah, real drugs okay coma when he landed, uh, shortly after being released from the hospital, he reunited with nancy. Of course. In april again 1978, the couple flew to paris where sid was to film a movie about the sex pistols. While there, he recorded three cover songs, in addition to doing copious amounts of heroin with Nancy and holding up in their hotel room most of the time, nancy being Nancy. The one day, the one singular day that Sid left and went to record these songs, he returned to find that she'd slit her wrists. Now, not, this is not intending a suicide. Rather, this was just a cry for attention, just superficial, as it were. The two returned to london and blew every cent they had in an effort to get some money for a flight to the united states. Sid played a live show with glenn matlock that's the guy he'd replaced in the sex pistols.
Speaker 2:Original bassist and two other dudes. Uh, sid was the singer in this one night band, it's true. Uh, interestingly enough, nancy sang backing vocals into a mic that wasn't plugged in that's.
Speaker 3:That's funny that you say that. Uh, um, I went to a emo night. That emo night, so no, so they had bands play before, but the whole emo night thing was like just songs, like emo songs from, yeah, the guy was djing, but these people would come up on stage and they just hand them mics, but the mics weren't plugged in since people think they're like singing. You see them up there and they're just like dude, dude, you're not singing. It was funny. That's kind of what they did to Nancy.
Speaker 2:I just love that there's something called emo night.
Speaker 3:It was really fun, I like it.
Speaker 2:Emotional People just like to cry.
Speaker 3:I think I sent you guys. They had like sad packs there you did. Sad pack I don't know I wasn't paying $15 for a sad pack. But I think it was like a tissue.
Speaker 1:To cry, a bullet To cry.
Speaker 3:Like a bullet.
Speaker 1:Mascara. A knife maybe I'm so sad right now. Black hair dye.
Speaker 2:Well, now, with some money in their hands, sid and Nancy flew to New York City and settled in at the Hotel Chelsea that became home.
Speaker 1:Fun fact Hotel Chelsea, New York City. Check this out. Look at these names that stayed there. Check it Yo. Check it what is it?
Speaker 1:I don't know if he stayed there, though Ali G would have been nice. So as far as writers go, yep, or you know, authors, poets, all that stuff. Sure, mark Twain, jack Kerouac, wow, okay, in the movie world, these are just some names. There was a list of way way more, but I just picked out a couple that right off the bat, I was like I know these people stanley kubrick, al pacino, ethan hawke from the music world, bob dylan, jimmy hendrix madonna actually in a room 822 took pics for the book from 1992 it was called sex they actually took the pictures in that chelsea hotel.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that that place has some history. Much like, if you guys want to go back and listen to cecil hotel, we did that. Yeah a. So yeah, that place has some history, much like, if you guys want to go back and listen to Cecil Hotel, we did that a long time ago, huh, so I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Chelsea's always been a bit. I mean, it was like they said it was a shithole too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like a very nice hotel. This place got popular thanks to all these people, these people that are staying there. Well, thanks to one in particular happens to be Sid vicious and Nancy. What's her dumb ass sponging?
Speaker 3:sponging. That's it. There's some good sausages.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are, I'm telling you, man the spongy sausage is not around anymore, unfortunately, but well, she so if you find a if you find a sponge and it'd be like one of those yellow quaaludes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right could be yeah, now in new york city nancy became sid's manager.
Speaker 2:Imagine that the two pieced together a band for him in which he sang. All shows were booked at a place called max's kansas city it's just a club there. Friends of sid claim he made good money for those shows, though all of it was blown on drugs in their hotel. On october 11th 1978, sid and nancy hosted a party in their hotel room. Sid being sid, he ended up ingesting close to 30 barbiturates that night and was out cold now he he probably weighed probably like what 115, 120 pounds at best at that.
Speaker 3:He was a tiny like he was 115, 120 pounds At best. At best he was a tiny like he was kind of tallish, but he was a tiny dude, so I mean 30 barbiturates.
Speaker 2:You don't find many fat bums.
Speaker 3:No, you don't find many fat drug addicts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point yeah.
Speaker 1:But there's a thing with tolerance too. He's been doing it for so long and I think that might come into the story later maybe but uh, so he's probably just so his system's so used to it yeah, I mean, think about alcohol. Like you see people, I knew some skinny guys in high school. I don't want to name any names, but they could drink a lot of beer. You don't even know, but they could, uh, they could pound some beer for their side they sure could.
Speaker 2:You know they sure could. Uh, so at this, uh, let's see that this party 30 barbiturates and he was out cold. Now plenty of people came and went to this party. Sid actually slept through most of the people coming and going. Uh a case. Anyone doesn't know a barbiturate, right? So that's a sedative. Provides just a prolonged hypnotic state.
Speaker 3:What are the street names for the barbiturates? What?
Speaker 2:the hell are they called? Well, I don't know if they do call them anything.
Speaker 3:I know that they I mean a quaalude is a lewd, a lewd, but no, there was another name for barbiturates. I'm trying to think Disco biscuits. No, what the hell are they called? I guess I don't know there was a name that I think people called them before, like before you knew they were like a barbiturate.
Speaker 1:I don't know, did you ever go to a bar and somebody left with the bit? You wit.
Speaker 3:Barbiturate. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:Nice, well played, sir, well played oh man, I was there.
Speaker 3:That was a barbiturate.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I got some of them. Who's that bar bitch you with? Oh hell, no. Who's that bar bitch you with? Nice, the morning of October 12th 1978, hotel staff find Sid Vicious roaming the hallway and they find Nancy dead in the bathroom of their room with a knife wound in her abdomen Kind of creepy Damn, stoned as hell. Stid gave some conflicting reports. At first he admitted there was an argument, uh, which meant nothing, because these two argued all of the time. Then he claimed to have stabbed her, but he didn't mean to kill her. Then he claimed he didn't remember anything, uh. Then he claimed that he saw her fall into the knife or onto the knife.
Speaker 2:So he just gave all these different stories again you're talking to a stoned out, drugged out, just waking up dude. Ultimately, sid was arrested and soon after released on fifty thousand dollars bail, which was paid for by the sex pistols record label virgin records yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1:I mean these excuses. That reminds me of the dennis rodman story that his girlfriend walked in with him with like another girl.
Speaker 3:Was it me.
Speaker 1:He was like she fell out of the ceiling.
Speaker 2:Did she ask him?
Speaker 3:Out of the bed naked Did she ask him what bar bit you with?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what bit you with. But yeah, he was like nah, she fell through the ceiling. He's like come on, dude.
Speaker 2:Was the ceiling still intact? Oh, that makes it even worse. Was the ceiling still intact? Oh, that makes it even worse. I didn't even hear that. Dennis Rodman Look. I get it. If there's maybe some ceiling tiles missing, maybe I would believe that. Oh, maybe I slipped in the ceiling tile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the ceiling was totally intact. I think it was Carmen Electra, maybe.
Speaker 2:She fell out of the ceiling.
Speaker 1:No, she was the one. Maybe that walked in on her. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And of course that makes sense, because if you're gonna cheat on anybody, why wouldn't you cheat on carmen electra?
Speaker 1:yeah, we know what they say oh man, your your game.
Speaker 3:Gotta be your game. Gotta be bad though, like carmen's walking in, like what are you doing with that girl?
Speaker 1:and you. Oh, I'm sorry, carmen, she fell out of the ceiling.
Speaker 3:It happens, man she was um and still is, wasn't she with prince too? And she was also with uh, um, not perry farrell, but who the other guy from the uh?
Speaker 2:oh, uh, dave, uh, navarro, yeah, she was in navarro yeah, jane's addiction yeah, she's not ugly like at all no, that's what I mean, but it's like it's what they say. Yeah, that's what they say, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like a girl like carmen was where, she's like a side piece for him, he's like, yeah, suit, I'm sorry baby she didn the best.
Speaker 2:No, I'm sorry, baby, she didn't mean nothing to me. What?
Speaker 3:are you talking about that woman right here? What do you?
Speaker 2:know, wait what woman? What are you crazy? You're seeing things. Schizophrenic. I don't see a woman. That would be the best. Forget that. She fell through the ceiling. Just tell, try to convince that Completely. Gaslight the woman. Like what woman?
Speaker 3:The one right there Are you talking?
Speaker 2:about there's no woman here.
Speaker 3:He starts fanning her with like dollars, like dollar bills, like here's a couple hundred, don't worry, go get a purse.
Speaker 1:Hilarious. I'll find the clip for you. I got a play for anything it was on what they have a clip of like phone. Oh, it's okay no, he was talking about it like a ring camera.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to never try that yeah right, all right, let's see.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 2:So nancy's dead as fried chicken. He's out on bail, all right. Sid was now out on bail and investigators were stuck. Let's remember, sid was a drug addict in a volatile relationship with a schizophrenic woman. Sid had little to no memory of what happened that night. Anything that actually might have happened in and out of blackouts were blurred with whatever might have happened in his imagination. Of course, theories on what actually happened were all over the place.
Speaker 2:Sid and Nancy got into a fight, and Sid did it. Sid and Nancy got into a fight, and Sid did it. Sid and Nancy got into a fight and Nancy fell onto the knife. Nancy got angry with Sid for being absent. Ie passed out and stabbed herself in hopes of getting his attention, just like she did with that fake wrist slitting when he went to record songs. When they were in Paris, nancy attempted to kill herself. Nancy wanted to kill herself, but Sid helped. One of the party guests stabbed nancy while attempting to steal cash they kept on hand. But above all, above and beyond all of this, the knife had been found in plain sight, wiped, completely clean of blood and prints yeah, that's uh sketchy so right away they're saying it.
Speaker 3:they were saying it was a drug dealer or people that like were going in and out of there. Somebody came in like we're pissed at. Nancy was still somewhat conscious, they wanted money, they needed something and they just stabbed her.
Speaker 1:The night before there was a drug dealer. They called for drugs and he was supposed to be coming delivering. She had like $1,500 cash. Sure.
Speaker 1:And she was like I have the money here and I think the money went missing, which was also a red flag Like missing, which was also a uh, a red flag like where'd that money go? And uh, they also went over for dinner the night before with uh friends down the hall and brought a bunch of memorabilia, sex pistol stuff, and he gave the guy his leather jacket Sid's leather jacket. So who's to say it could have been drug related? It could have been, uh, like he said he could have done it in a drug drunken stupor.
Speaker 2:There could have been a number of things. I read what six different possibilities, and every one of those that I read was from six different people that will claim that they were either with the police, or they knew Sid, or they knew Nancy, or they knew somebody Like everybody. These were all just opinions. What's funny is this this never ends up going anywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they never yeah.
Speaker 3:But every everyone you said makes sense. It could be anything. That's the whole thing. It's like a bunch of druggies in a cheap hotel. Uh, she ends up with a stab wound, bled out dead.
Speaker 1:Nobody knows what happened one thing they said for sure that they think was not a possibility is her stabbing herself, because you would have um hesitation wounds. Oh sure, sure, sure where you're not sure you want to do it or whatever, but this is just like one plunge, boom and done. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Well, weeks went by and Sid stuck to the provisions of his bail. Good old Sid, yeah, he signed in every day at the local police precinct. He visited the local methadone clinic every day for a slow and steady detox. And the last provision of his bail do not go to nightclubs. Sid even got himself a new girlfriend, some broad, named Michelle Robinson. Then, on the night of December 6th 1978, sid decided to go out for some fun. He went to a nightclub, shockingly, got into a fight and end up being charged with assault. Having violated a condition of his bail, sid was sent to prison the next day. Month or so goes by and we're now to january 18th 1979. Sid appeared in court and was released on ten thousand dollars bail.
Speaker 1:That's big money back then.
Speaker 2:Well, that's smaller than the $50,000 he had first gotten for Nancy's murder. True, but all right. Less than two weeks go by, February 1st 1979. Sid is released from prison, having completed his prison-enforced detox program. He was squeaky clean.
Speaker 3:Squeaky clean.
Speaker 2:He had a friend of his, of course get some heroin and bring it to his girlfriend's Michelle Robinson's apartment. Later that day the heroin arrived along with Sid's mother and a half dozen other people with whom to share it During the night, still very high on heroin, sid took four Quaaludes to help himself sleep. He was found the next day by his mother dead.
Speaker 1:So that night before there were some friends there. One of the friends was Jerry Only from the Misfits Correct yeah Story about Jerry Only. So I have some friends that were in bands and they were way into this punk rock music and stuff more than I was. I met these guys out of high school.
Speaker 2:Not just Jerry Only.
Speaker 1:No, not just Jerry, only all of them. But they had a Misfits record or might have been a CD at the time, or cassette, and on the back they had a thing called the Fiend Club. The Fiend Club is the fan club of the Misfits. Okay, so they call this phone number, thinking like I wonder if it still works or if it's still active, and this is in like the 90s now, sure, this fits her.
Speaker 1:Early, you know, 70s, 80s, late 70s, early 80s, I would assume um is when they kind of got their start. They call this number and a guy picks up hello, and they're like, uh, is this the fiend club? And it was. It was jerry only. And they uh got to talking to him and they were like, hey, we're big fans of your music. I can't believe we're talking to you this and that he invited him up. I think he was living on like a farm or somewhere sounds like some illegal shit so they called and talked to him and he invited him up.
Speaker 1:They went up, hung out with him and all kinds of stuff and like I think he signed some stuff for him that, whatever else. But this is Jerry O'Leary from the Misfits who, if you know the Misfits, Glenn Danzig, is the lead singer Yep, Jerry O'Leary is the big muscle-bound dude that I think he plays bass or guitar. I mean Glenn Danzig was so big.
Speaker 3:Danzig is a pretty big dude too, yeah.
Speaker 1:Danzig's big, but he's small, big he's yeah he's small. This guy's like 6'1", like a brick shithouse, Like you know him. When you see him he's actually, I think, the only member that's been there the whole time.
Speaker 2:He's the Spud Webb of misfits.
Speaker 1:The Danzig was yeah, but this guy is massive, but they said he's like the coolest guy, Jerry Only. And this guy now Jerry Only I saw like a YouTube video. He was on maybe a couple years.
Speaker 3:He's still ripped in great shape, 60, what he's probably 60 he's early 60s probably 62 so yeah, I can't stop thinking of.
Speaker 2:Have you two seen the movie pain and gain?
Speaker 3:no no were you in the misfits at all?
Speaker 2:zap the way, just wait so pain and gain didn't see that one pain and gain is worth a watch. It's a true story, so it it's mark walberg and the rock, so I don't know if you're aware like mark.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I missed that one like he's like this tall and then the rock is, you know, incredibly tall. True, it's a. It's a true story. You, you've got to see this movie. You've got to I watch that's anyway. I think of when you explain the difference between only and danzig. I think of that, I think of the two in that movie.
Speaker 1:It's good, it's worth a watch no, don't get me wrong, danzig's a muscular dude and I like Danzig. I think you know I like.
Speaker 3:Danzig's a muscular dude.
Speaker 1:I like that, I mean but Jerry Only is freaking huge man. He's like just like he was the bassist yeah. I think he was the bassist.
Speaker 2:Matt, to follow up on your question misfits dang dude.
Speaker 3:No, for real misfits, no dancing no misfits.
Speaker 2:I like how they have like almost like a 50s style to the like with the punk, like he could sing like danzig to me he's got a good voice no, that's uh typo negative so I liked danzig's one popular song mother correct, but even that got annoying after a bit it just I, just, I just couldn't stay with it.
Speaker 1:I can respect that.
Speaker 2:Again, different strokes, different folks, that's right man. Some people like spongy sausage, some people like Crispy sausage, cased sausage.
Speaker 1:I think you would like spongins.
Speaker 2:So, dave, we were discussing earlier. In fact, there was at some point a suicide pact or allegedly there was a suicide pact. Uh, in fact there was a note found in sid's pocket which read, and I quote we had a death pact and I have to keep my half of the bargain. Please bury me next to my baby. Bury me in my leather jacket, jeans and motorcycle boots.
Speaker 1:Goodbye so this is the night that he overdosed, correct?
Speaker 2:I didn't know he had a kid, my baby, my baby.
Speaker 1:That's wild. So I was wondering if, see, I heard about that and read that that he had a note and I didn't know if it was a note. They found a note at the scene of Nancy's death, but no, this is when he died.
Speaker 2:This was in his pocket, oh wow. I don't know. Interestingly enough, in the course of this denouement, Sid's mom overdosed in 1996. So this is after having sold Sid's base to one of the founding members of the Sex Pistols, Steve Jones, for 2,000 pounds. That's a good deal. Are you kidding me? It's 2,000 pounds. That's a good deal. Are you kidding me? It's 2,000 pounds for Sid Vicious' bass? Yeah, Come on man.
Speaker 1:It's probably worth way more now. That's a bargain. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now again, fun fact, you may recall the name this is the same Steve Jones who re-recorded Sid's bass tracks on their one singular album, right? I find that incredibly ironic. It is funny, an incredible twist of fate.
Speaker 1:You know, on documentaries and stuff. I watched like two of them last night on the Sex Pistols just for a little background on the band and all that, and they don't really talk much about Sid Vicious I don't know if I mean the members of the band they kind of gloss over that part of the story.
Speaker 1:Johnny Rotten obviously went on. There was a band called Public Image Limited who he went on to to be part of. If you listen to that, I never really listened to any of their music but in doing the research for this I checked some of the stuff out that was in like 78 and it was very influential, I think, on a lot of the 80s bands. Sure, a lot of that synth and different type music.
Speaker 1:I can dig that yeah, so they, they kind of changed. But I wouldn't say, johnny rotten is a traditionally like a good singer, but he had a definite, definite he had a look, he had a style and all that.
Speaker 1:So I mean I like I said I'm a sex pistol I like quite a few other songs. I mean I think you know, but maybe it's because they're the sex pistols and that's what I wanted to ask you guys in the beginning and I'll do it now. So this is me and this is how I. Let's say, we're rating bands one to ten and and like a coolness factor automatically, when a band's like a foreign from, like from another country, I automatically give them. Like a foreign from another country, I automatically give them like a point or two. For some reason there's like a mystique or something. When a band's from like another country, like, say, for instance, like I like the band and I think we all do the band Ghost, it was like a heavier, like a metal band. I guess you'd say they're from Sweden If they were from like Memphis or you know what I mean or like jacksonville.
Speaker 1:I don't think it'd be as cool as being from sweden, like what's your guys thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:I can see what you're saying. There's a mystique to that right like oh, they're from this foreign place to which I've never been. Uh, wow, look what comes out of there. I wonder you know, do they get the same television shows that we have? Do they?
Speaker 2:do they eat the same food that we do? You know, it's just that, and I think they're. I see what you're you're saying there. There's certainly that again, that level of mystique. I don't know. I gotta give it a. I know to me it's just going to be the music one way or another so led zeppelin.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, they're from england, it's just that it's led zeppelin didn't matter, they were just awesome.
Speaker 2:Uh, in fact, so you mentioned ghost. I had no idea that ghost was from wherever the hell they were from, from Sweden.
Speaker 1:You didn't know that I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm saying I had heard a number of ghost tracks Before that, and then I found out that they were from Sweden. And it didn't change anything.
Speaker 1:Not a damn thing Okay.
Speaker 2:Liked them already.
Speaker 1:Matt.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think growing up I didn't know where bands were singing american. They all came from. Yeah, they're. It's all english. That's a good, that's a great point. Isn't it amazing? I'm serious, it is amazing that, regardless of what country you're from, accents completely go away in in music yeah and some bands, some bands don't.
Speaker 1:You don't think. Like some bands you can pick it up like who?
Speaker 2:well, like johnny rotten, okay, so that, but he's not saying it, but he's he's oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, definitely sounds British. He sounds British, you're right, he's just talking, he's just talking. But I mean like the. Rolling Stones are a huge band in America. I thought they were like American. I didn't know. They were from England growing up.
Speaker 1:Okay, but they're a blues, Led Zeppelin they don't know.
Speaker 3:I can't get my voice out of it. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just thought of them as how about the you ever hear the band the darkness?
Speaker 2:Love the darkness.
Speaker 1:I think you can definitely hear that guys like but they didn't get like, they didn't get huge.
Speaker 3:They're not like a band that you'd be like. Oh, like I'm, I'm putting on my darkness album.
Speaker 1:You know, I would think I think there's some exceptions to that rule that you can hear the accent Men at work. They're Australian, I can hear that.
Speaker 3:You can hear that, but we're talking like the 80s.
Speaker 2:I can't hear it from Queen.
Speaker 1:I can't hear it from a number of bands you can't but that guy, yeah, he can sing A lot of the British bands. You're right, that boy can sing, he can sing. Yeah, nobody can hit queen, terrible queen. I'll tell you what I hate is octaves is when foreign dudes try to rap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fucking garbage. So there's this show. Um, it's called uh, the the gentleman on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Guy Ritchie series. I started it eight parts.
Speaker 2:God, it's such oh man, it's awesome. There's some. There's some english rap in there. God, it's such oh man, it's awesome. There's some. There's some English rap in there. God, it's terrible. It's the worst. It's British rappers and it is just awful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't like that at all. Matt, your thoughts on that. I don't, I don't know, I know we were.
Speaker 3:we were just talking about music, Like I don't.
Speaker 1:oh, those, those guys are like from england right I just think of it as like cool music well, I know what you mean on some bands, but there are bands I think that I hear, and that's just like I said, it's all, I guess, preference and not for nothing.
Speaker 2:Foreigner, an american band.
Speaker 3:Great, you're great she's a cold as ice fantastic actually. Foreigner is good.
Speaker 1:I think they're gonna be in maryland one of these luke graham is good, but uh, yeah, so that was a.
Speaker 2:That was a cool story though yeah, matt, thank you for the inspiration for that no, but when, when I don't know.
Speaker 3:Uh, some people say like, think about it, the sex pistols.
Speaker 2:Honestly, like the the group with with sid they had one album pretty much so they put out an album that was ready to go, and then sid basically joined a couple of weeks before they released the album yes, but what I'm saying is we're talking about it now because you asked us to yes, but if you see people have sex pistols t-shirts people had like the sex pistols.
Speaker 3:I think are they in the rock and roll hall of fame Maybe not.
Speaker 2:People also have mental and physical handicaps.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying the sex pistols still live on because they were the sex pistols.
Speaker 1:Here, still live on because they were the sex pistols. Here here's the. Put it in perspective how big the sex pistols are or were or whatever, however you want to say it.
Speaker 1:So my son, I have 18 year old son. He he's into like rap, music and stuff. He likes rock music too, but he has there's an artist named juice world who was a rapper. He died maybe a year or two ago. Younger kid that basically was a rapper maybe two, three years ago and passed away. He has a poster of him in his room and he's wearing a Sex Pistols t-shirt. The Juice WRLD is so. They were a type band that I think across genres and everything. That's what I said when we were talking upstairs earlier. I think Sex Pistols is one of those bands where, if you know nothing at all about punk rock, you probably heard of the Sex Pistols or you heard of the sex pistols or you heard of the Ramones, let's say. But a band like the damned who we were talking about in in that, who are probably musically better, yeah.
Speaker 3:Or like more albums, right. Better catalog that people like oh, who are the damn that's?
Speaker 1:right.
Speaker 3:Nobody knows, but I'm saying the sex pistols will always. Sid will always be Johnny rotten, We'll always be the sex pistols. It's something that 20 years from now, people still have Sex Pistols t-shirts Only because they'll be listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:They might put an old Dirty Basement t-shirt over there. Sex Pistols t-shirt.
Speaker 3:Right there.
Speaker 2:Check your podcast. Neil Young did this track that hey, hey, my my. Hey, hey, I don't know that one, my, my.
Speaker 3:It goes just like that Is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to turn the volume down on these cans man. So that notwithstanding, he mentions Johnny Rotten in that song. Oh wow, I'm curious did that song come out before Johnny Rotten existed or after Johnny Rotten? What do you mean? It was after. I'm not familiar enough with Neil Young, nor am I familiar enough with his library catalog.
Speaker 3:You don't like Neil.
Speaker 2:Young either. To be clear, I am not familiar enough with his library you don't like. You don't like neil young either. To be clear, I am not familiar enough gotcha. So with that. I don't know when that track came out. Is it just by happenstance that he happened to use the term johnny rotten, or did he? Was he inspired to use that name because he?
Speaker 1:heard that before with the sex pistols. That's a good question, while the mailbag that also did def leppard know about the iphone before it came out before hysteria. Yeah, red iphone oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder, I wonder, wait, wait, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:how's that lyric?
Speaker 2:it's from pour some sugar on me and how's it go?
Speaker 1:something like a bomb that's correct.
Speaker 2:Well, so baby, come and get it on that's correct.
Speaker 3:Well, so, baby, come and get it on. Look living like a lover with a red iphone. Yeah, red iphone, yeah, no, I think I don't.
Speaker 5:He's not talking about that I think well, I hope not no, I think, no, I think he's like it's like he's hung over or something with the red iphone, like trying to make a time traveler wow yeah, I don't know, that's like a movie yeah, we'll do that on the next podcast oh, that's that's time travelers, yeah, but anyway, man, that was a good one.
Speaker 1:Matt, thanks for bringing that up. Zap, thanks for writing up and researching and all that and uh yeah, sorry for the pain. No, I like it.
Speaker 2:I like it. I learn more about the mystique about this person, sid vicious, and his whore, nancy spongin. She was a professional. I'm glad that I now have a well-rounded understanding of where this all comes from and I get it. People are into it the whole time. I'm looking at this and doing this write-up.
Speaker 3:I can't I could not stop thinking about kurt cobain and and uh, yeah they kind of yeah, similar, similar yeah, especially with the murder and everything Like what happened.
Speaker 1:That could be another one I could.
Speaker 2:Oh, before we wrap, there's one more thing I did want to mention. After Sid died, all of it dropped Like there was.
Speaker 1:No investigation.
Speaker 2:Zero None.
Speaker 1:Fun fact. So back then in.
Speaker 2:The Nancy thing done, the Sid thing done, the Sid thing done.
Speaker 1:I heard a number that back then when this murder happened, New York City on average that year was like 2,000 murders or homicides. To put it in perspective, like in 2021, there was like 300. So you would think, oh, you would think there's more violence now, more deaths, but no, there were so many murders back then. It was such a shithole basically.
Speaker 2:That they probably didn't have time or resources to keep investigating.
Speaker 1:Thanks, a dead hole, basically, that I didn't have time or resources to keep investigating.
Speaker 3:Thanks, jimmy Carter. Well, there was a whole thing with the druggies and prostitutes in New York at that time. Half of those didn't even get looked at. Yeah, Cause it was one of those things where it's like why are we putting time and effort?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. That's fine, let them kill themselves. I'm all for that yourselves it's fine.
Speaker 1:I don't know about you guys, but my bollocks are getting sore, so you better wrap it up.
Speaker 5:Hey guys, can you wrap it up? Cool god, just haven't heard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, haven't heard her in a while.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I forgot her on the last one, I mute her. Thank you, mrs dave yeah, we needed that we do, but, uh, thanks for tuning in and find us on facebook and instagram at old dirty basement and on tiktok at old dirty basement podcast. I guess that's it for now, so we'll catch you where.
Speaker 2:On the flip side If we don't see you sooner, we'll see you later. Peace.
Speaker 3:Thanks for hanging out in the old dirty basement. If you dig our theme music, like we do, check out the Tsunami Experiment Find them on Facebook. Their music is available streaming on Spotify and Apple and where great music is available.
Speaker 1:You can find us at Old Dirty Basement on Facebook and Instagram and at Old Dirty Basement Podcast on TikTok. Peace, we outie 5,000.