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The Hollywood Bandit: Scott Skurlock’s Descent from Promising Youth to Master Bank Robber
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What if a rebellious youth could transform into a notorious bank robber known as the "Hollywood Bandit"? Join us on the latest thrilling episode of the Ol' Dirty Basement as we unravel the captivating life and crimes of Scott Skurlock. From his early days of mischief in Fairfax County, Virginia, through his turbulent journey of drug addiction and elaborate bank heists, we promise you'll be glued to your seat. Learn how this charismatic yet troubled individual transitioned from a promising student to a cunning criminal mastermind, drawing inspiration from the movie Point Break.
We'll walk you through Scott’s audacious escapades, including his extravagant lifestyle complete with an elaborate tree house and over 18 meticulously planned bank robberies across the Pacific Northwest. Despite raking in more than two and a quarter million dollars, Scott’s life was plagued by personal demons and complicated relationships. Discover the advanced techniques he and his crew employed to outsmart law enforcement, along with the shocking twist that led to their eventual downfall. We also take a light-hearted detour, reminiscing about simpler times of cashing paychecks and hanging out at Pizza Hut buffets, drawing fascinating comparisons between Scott’s high-stakes life and our own more mundane experiences.
As we wrap up, we’ll explore some of the most infamous bank heists around the world, diving into the psychological state of these bold criminals. From Saddam Hussein’s billion-dollar theft to brazen robberies in Beirut and Brazil, we’ll connect the dots to pop culture and provide a broader context to Scott’s actions. Don’t miss our reflections, humor, and practical insights into the world of bank robbery. Finally, stick around for a special call to action—connect with us on social media, and share your thoughts. We’re eager to hear from you and keep the conversation going!
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Speaker 3:Hello, hello, old friends and new, and welcome back to another edition of the Old Dirty Basement. I am Matt. With me always is Dave and Zap. How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 2:Doing well, I too am well Good good.
Speaker 3:Like I was saying before, it's a Sunday morning here in the basement and I heard from my mom today I should be at church. Yeah, she lied. I told her I was like Mom. It's okay, I have stuff to do, I'll be down in the basement.
Speaker 1:But I think she'll be all right with it. You come here first.
Speaker 2:Then you have stuff to confess for you know for confession.
Speaker 1:True when you're done here. You know what I mean. I think church is what you make it, and we could consider this church really. Yeah, yeah, true, true, that's true.
Speaker 3:But uh, this one today, matt, you found it on a show on netflix how to rob a bank yes, but I thought it was interesting because, like a lot of the crimes we do here, and I just saw the, uh, I had no, I thought it was fake. Actually, I had no idea what it would be about. If anybody does have this, have netflix, which pretty much what the entire nation probably does- 300, some million globally.
Speaker 3:I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, not just nation, globally. You need to check this out because if you're interested in any kind of true crime, anything that um appeals to you in that direction, I think this thing would be great to watch, a good watch are we talking about the netflix show?
Speaker 2:are we talking about the guy?
Speaker 1:talking about the guy that actually did a. Uh, they did.
Speaker 2:They did a special on netflix how to rob a bank how to rob a bank so that guy not the netflix show, but the guy associated with the show is scott skurlock. No shit, skurlock. Yeah, it was just damn it yep I figured it was one of us was going to get to that sooner or later I figured it would come up.
Speaker 1:Scott scurlock there was a show on netflix about this guy, about everything is going to go down today it's not a show, it's all.
Speaker 3:It's a whole movie. It's just one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't even have to watch like three episodes, no no, just one yeah, one good watch thank you, netflix, for bringing this to matt's attention, and thank you all of us for looking deeper into Scott Scurlock. So let's begin. Born in 1955, scott grew up in Fairfax County, virginia. He exhibited a rebellious streak from an early age, often finding himself at odds with authority figures, particularly his father, who was a minister. Despite his troubled youth, scott was both intelligent and charismatic, two traits that would later define his criminal career. Throughout his teenage years, scott's behavior became increasingly erratic. He frequently classed with his parents, who struggled to understand their bright yet unpredictable son. Indeed, scott was arrested several times for minor offenses such as vandalism and petty theft, further straining his relationship with his family. So this just sounds like a rebellious kid. I mean, this is just a kid. Was he an only child? Did he have brother, sister?
Speaker 1:He definitely had a sister. I don't know about a brother or anything like that, but he did have a sister and I knew. I know one thing Fairfax County, very rich area, wealthy.
Speaker 2:For sure, for sure, you're that. But he did have a sister and I knew. I know one thing fairfax county, very rich area, wealthy for sure, for sure, you're talking the outskirts of dc.
Speaker 3:Those people just puddle, jump right over the river there and they, that's where they're working but when zap was saying I mean the vandalism, petty theft, that's all stuff that any, any kid, it doesn't mean you're like a horrible, bad kid growing up, we've been just. You're just branching out a little bit, you're trying to see what you can can't get away with, correct doesn't mean you're a horrible person you are just pushing the envelope.
Speaker 2:We all push the envelope. The difference between us and scott skerlock is that we didn't get caught like that's it. Like any one of us, any kid growing up is going to do things like vandalism, this that you know, yeah, try to grab a candy bar in the line and run out a giant.
Speaker 3:It happens and it's not that big of a deal. But I don't think those, like his formative years, I don't think that's anything that made him into the person that he was, nope.
Speaker 1:So a couple of things they talked about on there. His sister actually said he was like a big adrenaline junkie and obviously in adulthood. But when he was like 15 or 16, him and a friend stole a van and they drove it down to the beach. They stole it from like a daycare nearby.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So that that's something that's a little more extreme than, like, most kids would do.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean, but that's pushing it a little bit.
Speaker 1:So that one was a little bit like okay, wait, wait a minute. And then he also had a friend that, uh, they would have these model homes are good looking.
Speaker 1:But they would. Him and his friend would pick locks just to get into the house, to kind of like hang out and mess around. They would never steal anything, right, he was like we just wanted to learn how to pick locks, yeah and uh, just to get on the other side of the door, basically we all did that as kids because they were wherever they were building new homes.
Speaker 3:I remember trying to get it. You would go into the back see if that, like the sliding doors are open or trying to get to the window, yeah 100%. Yeah, and you didn't do anything bad. You didn't break anything, you just wanted to get in there.
Speaker 2:Right. This may or may not surprise you. When new homes are being built, at least nowadays, people will drive by and stop their cars and get out and walk through. This is just regular people, these are just curious or nosy people that'll just walk through the house Again. It's stage after stage after stage of its construction and I look at that thing like dude, that's not your property, like you're trespassing.
Speaker 1:Get the fuck out of there yeah, it's not open to the public people don't think twice about it, they just stop and walk through oh yeah, I know we had our house built, come over and you know, walk through it. But I know people would tell me oh, we went over and walked through your house I think was built in 2009.
Speaker 2:That's messed up, man.
Speaker 1:Bums Also one thing that his sister said he wouldn't lie, but he would just leave things out when he would tell you stuff.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:He wasn't really cheap. Matt, I thought you were like that one, so he wouldn't lie. He just wouldn't tell the whole truth. He would leave out little things to kind of mislead you mislead you, of course.
Speaker 3:So he was, you know as a kid. She said he was, this is how he was. Or even like a truth lie to his mom. He'd be like, yeah, mom was at the store. I stole like five things today brought it home. She's like okay, oh, scott, you're so silly, like well, look, I told you, yeah, what do you want me to do? He was, he was super smart, though like the kid was, um, I don't. I wouldn't say genius, but they said he was. He was very smart growing up.
Speaker 2:I wonder if it was as we go through this that that could in fact be a cause. So we've seen that with a number of our any number of our you know, true crime people or compelling story people, that the more intelligent they are, it's almost like they get fidgety, like they need something more to do.
Speaker 3:Or life's boring you at this point where it's like I this sucks, I need to do something else.
Speaker 1:Yep Not challenge Very good points. Ab. I wonder if there's any head injuries or anything like that.
Speaker 3:You know, a lot of times you'll hear like a traumatic event as a child, like he was a good looking dude.
Speaker 1:That day happened too. Head injury yeah, that wouldn't be as good. But if you fall off and hit your head off the swing or something like that, you hear about these kids, as you know, when they're young changing, then after that they take more risks, they do different things.
Speaker 3:I don't know, like turning to Rain man or something.
Speaker 1:No, you've heard about killers and stuff that they had, issues like as a kid, like head injuries, like Richard Ramirez fell off a dresser or something like that. Cracked his head Not to say that we're comparing what's to come with Richard Ramirez, but I always wonder about that stuff with these guys.
Speaker 3:I'm going with Zap's point of just like getting fidgety, getting bored with the everyday, because he just needed something to Challenge him. Yeah, he was just bored.
Speaker 2:I think. I think. Well, let's find out more, shall we? Yes, as Scott entered adulthood, he ventured westward. Seeking a fresh start. He enrolled at the University of Washington, where he majored in environmental studies. Although Scott found a passion for nature and the environment, he also began experimenting with drugs, a habit that would later fuel his criminal activities. In 1974, scott took a break from college and moved to Hawaii. For a brief period, he embraced the relaxed island lifestyle, working as a carpenter, landscaper and laborer on a tomato farm. However, financial struggles and a growing addiction to drugs led him down a darker path. It was in Hawaii that Scott's knack for creating elaborate disguises began to develop. The disguises were used to avoid detection while committing minor crimes to support that drug habit. It is Honing his skills in deception and disguise. It was these very skills that would later earn him the moniker Hollywood Bandit.
Speaker 1:Some of these disguises. I mean I'm sure they got better as he went along, but it got me to thinking about they have these masks now, these latex masks that you can slide over your face. I mean they're super tight and they're lifelike.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys have seen these, but I'm looking back in the day here when you had to put all this makeup on and stuff to like put on the disguise. It's not always like fooling anybody, but I guess that wasn't always the point with this. It was anybody, but I guess that wasn't always the point with this. It was just to make him think for a second or two.
Speaker 3:But I wonder like what he started with back then, when he first got into it like just a mustache probably you know what I mean or like one of those, a mustache and a trucker hat it was it was a hat like uh the big, like sunglasses our dads would wear, yep and uh like a mustache or like a fake beard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course so, as I was reading up on this guy while he was working at that tomato farm, there was a, so I guess down the way or near, because it's only an island, right, that's only so big.
Speaker 2:So not too far away from the tomato farm, somebody was growing pot oh and this guy ended up, him and his, him and his one buddy went over and they stole a bunch of the plants and he ended up selling them and then he said, oh, okay, well, so he gets this you know idea. Well, if I can grow these plants, I can sell more. So he started growing these plants in the tomato farm that he was working at like this secluded little section like, surrounded by tomatoes at whatever.
Speaker 2:Anyway, they ended up fine, the, the owners or whomever ended up finding it and he got fired. But yeah, man, this, this guy is, you know, by this time, like 19. He tried college, jumped out of it, went to hawaii.
Speaker 1:Fuck it, I'm gonna start growing pot he doesn't seem like a settler, like he just always looking to like expand make more money.
Speaker 3:No buckles on his shoes no buckles on his shoes.
Speaker 2:That's right. So think about that and that's a very good point. Dude, this, this cat, came up in Virginia, went way west to Washington to go to school and Washington state, washington state, and then from there went even further over to Hawaii like this guy's. Just yeah, moving and shaking, I wish.
Speaker 3:I had that um growing up the drive like yeah, or just that. Like yeah, ambition or something to do something different, to be like, look, I've been here my whole life, I'm gonna pack up, go, you know, out west. Uh, then hey, I'm kind of bored with this. Let me go to hawaii or even another country. But yeah, I think that was part of his, his smarts, like maybe, just like I'm bored with this, I'm bored with that, he couldn't really stay at one place long he was a free spirit, for sure yeah and yeah, man, that hipp man.
Speaker 2:I wish, I, I wish, I would have done that too.
Speaker 3:Or even go to like another country or maybe like even ended up getting a job somewhere doing something cool, or you know some cool pictures to look back on. Yeah, or ended up, ended up in like some like wine field or wine country, somewhere like making wine or making some sort of like cool exotic liquor, I don't know of liquor.
Speaker 2:I don't know all my pictures from my like in people's basements or like living rooms. You know what I mean. That's all I got. It's all I got yeah there's no natural landscape, there's no other countries, it's just other people's basements let's take a look back in the in the book.
Speaker 3:Here you see, oh, there's me in uh, tony's basement yeah, hanging out travel shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I traveled, man. I went to sean's basement, I went to jimmy's basement bas like.
Speaker 3:I would be. Um, do you see, like Facebook and some of these people, all these fiction Like oh where is that Italy? Oh, that's France, oh, fortunately. Like oh that's Kramer's basement.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Dave could go to Europe and say fuck it, I don't need the countryside, I want to see all of the basements in Europe. Could basements in europe?
Speaker 3:could you show me the vatican's basement? Do you know where?
Speaker 2:that is. I see there's a. Oh, you got a vineyard here. Do you keep the casks downstairs? Can you show me the basement?
Speaker 1:yes, yeah these are kramer's basements. Some of the pictures look foreign for sure no, they did.
Speaker 3:It was like a tiny. No, you ever see those homes in other countries, that big rug yeah, he had that rug from uh I think that was from like it was a Mongol rug or something. It could have been it's tapestry. Yeah, it was Mongolian.
Speaker 2:Mongolian.
Speaker 1:One other thing on this and I heard in Hawaii. This is according to a girl that I knew that moved there. They do not like mainlanders. When you move out there. They kind of look down on you. It's not like when you're vacationing there which I've never vacationed there, but according to her, like it's hard to fit in there, and so I wonder if he had problems with that.
Speaker 3:You don't want to be a Howley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, right, that movie North Shore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they hate Americans there from the mainland. Another thing, too, is the homeless population. I think there is going nuts oh, for real In Hawaii, because it's such great weather. People are just moving there and living along the beach.
Speaker 1:It's a good place to do it, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's going to do it in Hawaii.
Speaker 2:Whatever, I don't understand how would they get that far?
Speaker 4:I guess all they got to do is buy Swim, oh Christ, like a raft. That's a hell of a raft ride.
Speaker 1:I've seen Castaway but damn it happens, there was a guy just got killed by a shark there. Really, yeah, it was uh in hawaii. Yeah he, he was on, he was in movies. Uh, blue crush he was in a couple, he was like a extra in movies and stuff. But they said, like it's so rare for a shark attack. Since they started counting them I guess I don't know what year there's only been like nine fatalities by sharks but, of course this guy.
Speaker 1:He was a surfer and it's just funny talking about hawaii. I just thought of that.
Speaker 3:It was just the other day well, yeah, an odd fact about the shark attacks is the people they just die from bleeding out. It's not exactly the initial attack but the sharp they have. The shark has so many sharp teeth that they just take a chunk out of you and just sit on the beach and bleed out I just watched jaws yesterday, great oh, for real, the og one I one the OG.
Speaker 2:I can't wait for us to do that one.
Speaker 3:Did you hear about their trying to do origin stories Like Jaws origin Jaws origin stories?
Speaker 2:How the fuck do you do that? This is where the shark was born.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no. Not on Jaws, they wanted to do it on who was the captain?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The crotchety guy, the yeah, uh, yeah, y'all know me. That guy here's to here's to ahab.
Speaker 3:Here's to swimming with bow-legged women. Yes, that, but yeah, they were making an origin story on him. I think that'll be great, that'd be awesome. Yes, he's a cool dude, like all like him in the military or coming up as a kid, like he lived a hard life man man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a hard knock life, but he did it. I'm proud of him. He killed the shark, did he? I mean?
Speaker 3:he had, if anybody hasn't seen the movie.
Speaker 1:Shit? We'll find out. Did he kill the shark? We'll find out, possibly.
Speaker 2:All right, well, back to school. Scott returned to the mainland in 1978, finding his way to Olympia, washington, and enrolling in Evergreen. State College's medical program, where he discovered he had a knack for chemistry Uh-oh Foreshadowing he swiftly learned how to make methamphetamine and soon thereafter began producing and selling it, using the school's chemistry lab as his means of production.
Speaker 3:That sounds like something we know, yeah, it sounds like a Breaking Bad type plot there.
Speaker 2:Life imitates, art imitates life. With just one credit shy of graduating, scott was expelled from school after he'd been caught using the chemistry lab for his illicit purposes. Don't worry, scott was okay. He'd made plenty of money from his collegiate drug business. He used that money to buy a house on 10 acres outside of Olympia, which he then used as a meth lab to continue his pursuits. After 10 years or so, scott's methamphetamine production came to a screeching halt when his distributor was murdered. Scott ceased production immediately, but by now Scott had developed an extravagant lifestyle and an addiction to the rush of being in an illegal trade. He needed to find a new and comparable means of income. So that's not bad. That's not bad at all.
Speaker 1:And which way? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:This guy goes to college. Your mom goes to college, so this guy goes to college to be a doctor. He went, went into the medical program. While he's there he finds he has a knack for chemistry and then he starts making meth as well and he says fuck that, fuck this doctor stuff. I'm just gonna make meth.
Speaker 3:I can make good money on that I didn't know meth was that big of a thing in like the late 70s. I thought that like came into like prominence or whatever. Yeah, prominence or what's that word, I can't even think of it. But yeah, it came into prominence just early 2000s yeah, I'm not sure about drug timelines on that like when that would have been a thing.
Speaker 1:But I mean, that's kind of like educational edging you get that close to be a doctor one credit away and then you're like one credit no good I'm just gonna stop he was good because it was work.
Speaker 3:I don't think he wanted to work in the way that regular people hold a nine to five no, and nobody really wants that per se.
Speaker 1:I mean, this guy just saw an easy out, yeah but to be that smart, like you were saying and I think I don't know what you guys were saying about how this guy probably just wants to be challenged and he's like oh, he's no dummy yeah, this is crazy but he had all that at his fingertips like he said well, shoot, I'm gonna do nothing, I can, I can stay after school to study.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wink, wink, yeah, he's just there putting meth together and it's quick money.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean easy money, shit, yeah, shit, yeah I'd love so he.
Speaker 2:I was reading a little bit more about this guy. So he that house in Olympia. He had the house house on 10 acres. That was the meth lab.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was right off the road there kind of, and while that remained a meth lab.
Speaker 2:He actually built a tree house on the property.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was a badass tree house.
Speaker 3:Yeah we'll get to that.
Speaker 2:He built a tree house on the property and him and his buddies are hanging out there.
Speaker 1:I will tell you two important date that the next part we'll get into. But july 12 1991 there was a movie release called point break. Yeah, you guys familiar with that movie.
Speaker 3:I'm sure we're gonna cover that one here too someday awesome, but no, that's what, yeah, I think they will get into. He based a lot of himself on on that movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay, okay, let's see if we get there. I think this next section might get us there, uh-oh, mm-hmm. Well, scott had remained connected with old college friends, many of whom were shocked at the transformation they saw in Scott. The once idealistic environmentalist had become a shadow of his former self, driven by a desperate need for money and an insatiable thirst for thrill. With the extravagant lifestyle to feed, scott began contemplating larger, more audacious crimes, specifically bank robbery. Scott's first heist took place on June 25, 1992 in Seattle, with his friend Mark Biggins as his accomplice. Though the robbery didn't go as planned, scott remained committed to the trade and relished in the adrenaline rush he derived from it. His next heist, complete with elaborate makeup and prosthetics, proved far more successful. He went on this one alone and escaped with a significant amount of cash. His meticulous planning and ability to alter his appearance left law enforcement baffled. This crime marked the beginning of his career as the Hollywood bandit.
Speaker 3:Now what were you saying about the Point Break movie there, dave?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he went and saw Point Break with a friend. This is one of those rare occurrences where, to me, I I would have thought, when you told me about this story, that point break was the movie made after this guy's life but it's actually the other way around, that the movie actually inspired him to to go on and do what he's about to do.
Speaker 1:So it got me to thinking like how often do you think that happens that? I mean, I know like kids sometimes are inspired by a movie, maybe like, oh, let's, let's. We're about to cover a movie, uh, coming up, warriors, where people went and saw that movie, and then we're like, oh, let's start a gang they did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a great example that people went to see warriors and after warriors there was gang violence.
Speaker 1:Right. So how often do you think that happens with, with an adult, like somebody that's at this time he's in what his late twenties?
Speaker 2:I don't know, oj killed his wife Maybe then. Since then people went on to kill their wife, hoping they could get away with it. Allegedly yeah.
Speaker 1:Allegedly but you know what I'm saying Like, say, 30 years old, you're like shit. I'm gonna do that like.
Speaker 3:It just seems like something to me that would be the other way around where events happen and they make a movie about it well, watching point break would have seemed so far-fetched that you couldn't get away with something like that, but he pretty much based it right on that, even like the disguise is not not the president type thing but but close, yeah, he was looking at, you know, maybe a latex disguise.
Speaker 3:And and the first time he did try, this turned out to be a complete disaster. Him and his buddy biggins, they, they got out of there like immediately.
Speaker 2:They were like this isn't gonna work yeah, yeah, something definitely went awry with biggins, like I, as soon as he was in there, like that, that whole first one, just it did not go well. Hell, they were driving away. Biggins was so afraid. If I read correctly, biggins was so afraid or so nervous, or so. You know, amped up from the whole experience, he ended up flooding the engine where they were trying to get in the getaway car, so they had to go on foot.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now they're just running around town like yeah, back and forth, it was just like they ran through a golf course, like they ran through all kinds of shit, just with bags on their backs. Don't mind us, we're just dudes in disguise running as quickly as we can with bank bags and shit 10,000 hours, right.
Speaker 1:They say you have to become like an expert at something.
Speaker 3:10,000 hours they also said what their first bank robbery was a couple thousand.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even anything. Brings me back to another point. They brought up on a documentary that I didn't really think about. But Seattle at the time, early 90s, it was like a huge tech boom. Sure, you had Microsoft, amazon, bezos, and that was out there, jeffrey. Bezos Boeing's headquartered out there, yep. Um, they said like that Seattle area saw a huge boom in uh in in money, basically. Now Matt don't you have a relative out there or something in?
Speaker 3:Seattle yes, a couple. So you know Portland area, one in uh uh Bellevue, washington area and also the counterculture coming out with grunge music.
Speaker 1:Sure, they were talking about that Nirvana, pearl Jam, all this and kind of like, fuck the establishment, you know that type shit.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, maybe that stuff was inspiring them to like, hey, let's, let's fuck the man and go rob a bank, you know it became prime as as the Seattle and surrounding area economy grew exponentially, you got a lot of people with a lot of money at a time when cash was look. I still use cash all the time, but it's certainly I'm now rare compared to other people.
Speaker 3:I want to figure. I thought you would use, like, the car to get points, to build the points. I don't give a shit about that.
Speaker 2:No, I don't have time to track it and I find that the point stuff or the whatever stuff, it's so much of a hassle to try to trade in on something. Now, I guess I like the cash back cards or like the 1% or 2%. Yes, but either way, I find that cash spends easier. You can get discounts.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, how much cash price.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 3:Correct, I'm always asking If you're using cash. You should still be able to like, barter or make a like. You know I will give you they're like it's 106 bucks.
Speaker 2:I'll give you 90 cash. All right, here we go, happens all the time you got to get yours and I got to get mine. That's right, let's see. Let's see. Oh, did we want to talk about the tree house? Yeah okay, I mean I talked about it. Matt said we're going to talk about it later okay, no, um, yeah, so he did.
Speaker 3:He had a main house, uh, off of the road there. That was the one I guess was the meth house or whatever he used it for. But then he went back in the woods there and he just began like, I guess, because he had carpentry skills or had friends that had carpentry skills, they went and they built this elaborate tree, like he even had his dad come over. Oh, yeah it was nuts, help him out with it, but it was about what 60 feet? Yeah, 60 feet in the air, that's awesome and it had electric.
Speaker 1:Yeah electric everything they were talking about. They had to carry the appliances up there, like the stoves. Like he had friends over there to help like move. These friends are all in the documentary talking about like oh yeah, we had to go over there and help them. Like they're taking like uh, big washers, dryers you know what I mean shit like that up 60 feet up into the uh air in this street.
Speaker 3:It was a cool looking tree house, though it was, it was, it was really neat and it was. It was like a home, yeah, like someplace to just live, and it was all covered and had beds and sofas, couches. They said he would walk around there like nude all the time, like have chicks over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they showed it on the documentary. He's like there's like he's, he's walking around, you know, dick swinging and it's all on this documentary. I mean it looked like a good life, but it was.
Speaker 3:It was something yeah, something you dreamed about as a kid the house that meth built. And and he just, and he did it like he was, like I, I want a tree house. So he did it. But then he said like you need money in order to do things.
Speaker 2:Yep Money helps to do things. Speaking of money, by the end of 1992, Scurlock had robbed six banks. Over the course of four years, Scott committed a series of 18 bank robberies across the entire Pacific Northwest, netting over two and a quarter million dollars in total. Each heist was executed with precision and flair, cementing his status as a master criminal. He earned the nickname Hollywood Bandit, not only for his disguises, but also for the cinematic quality of his robberies. Despite his criminal success, Scott's personal life was in shambles. His relationships were strained and his drug addiction worsened. Friends and acquaintances often described him as a tragic figure, a man who had all the potential in the world but chose a path of self-destruction. He lived a double life, fooling even those closest to him about the extent of his criminal activities fooling even those closest to him about the extent of his criminal activities.
Speaker 3:This was a point too that I was. Uh, they were saying his relationships were becoming kind of strained but he was taking advantage of the money they made from those heists. They just made enough that he would spend most of his time traveling, like he would yeah he would go to all these countries just like enjoying life.
Speaker 3:I think he had enough money for that at the time. But as, as he became more and more involved in this and I think he had enough money for that at the time, For sure but as he became more and more involved in this and I think his mind wasn't working right because he's like oh, I did that, I spent this money, but I can do more, I can be more, I can be the biggest criminal out there, and it takes a toll on you.
Speaker 2:I guess I know that this guy was, if you're so, I read that too, matt. So that too, matt. So as much traveling and as much, you know, eating out or fine dining or whatever he was doing. I didn't want to confuse eating out with the girls that he had over at his tree house. Yeah, hi-yo, hi-yo, thank you, matt. I mean, that's not cheap.
Speaker 1:No. You've got to keep. If you're going to maintain that kind of lifestyle, you need money to do that. Neither of you would rob a bank, but if you did, how do you think you would launder the money Like what? Did you guys have any? Because I know how he did it.
Speaker 2:One of the main things so the easiest way to launder money is using an all cash, a predominantly cash business, so like a car wash ice cream truck.
Speaker 1:Well, that's not even going that route. Just where could you take that money and easily?
Speaker 3:7-Eleven.
Speaker 1:No, no, that money and easily 7-11. No, no, that might work by like yeah, well, cigarettes were back then when that was a little later, and say that last story or war games, it was like 499 a cart, yeah, but no, he went to vegas oh, gambling yeah so okay, now this money's all I don't want to say free money, they're working for it in a way.
Speaker 1:But say you, you steal a million dollars, right cash? You go to vegas, you go to two casinos separate and place a bet on opposing teams. You're gonna lose that little vig yeah but you're always gonna win sure now there is a, that's what they were doing. They'd go bet on, uh, let's say, florida state, alabama.
Speaker 3:So they bet on both teams 50 000 on them 50 000 on them.
Speaker 1:They take their vig and you get 90 000 back you still win. It washes it yeah, you lost 10 000, but you really didn't, because it wasn't now.
Speaker 2:You got 90 000 clean and this is back in the day when casinos weren't issuing 1099s to you for your winnings no there was no ink and paper involved. So so I say that nowadays if you go and you win enough, they're going to issue a 1099 right there like you're going to flag it they will absolutely alert the feds, which alerts the commonwealth that look man, this guy won more than 600 bucks he's getting issued a 1099 for it back then.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't do that shit. Nope, there's no need to bring ink and paper into this or even that when he enjoyed traveling.
Speaker 3:Back then too, if you had money usually people saved money up they would use cash to travel, so he'd go and, you know, buy these tickets, which were a lot. Or when he'd go to these other countries, he would just trade that money in for their currency. So that worked out well too. I would have just kept traveling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Vegas, I mean that was like vacation for him. They'd go there the guy was describing it and they'd go place bets and eat well and hang out.
Speaker 2:This is good to know. Yeah to Vegas in.
Speaker 1:October. Are you going?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll be going to Vegas in.
Speaker 1:October, that's football season. I'll give you some good picks. We're going to make some money out there.
Speaker 3:I hope so you can visit the Raiders new digs out there, I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2:I'll be there Monday through Thursday, so I don't know if I'll be able to catch a game.
Speaker 3:I don't know a little bit of both.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, a little bit of both. Nice, well, we'll see, I'll let you know. Yeah, okay, but I'm gonna rely on those football bets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll do it. I'm a party star, thank you matt, I make football pets I'm a teacher's pet, that's a good song all right, let's see, let's see, let's see okay yeah, this guy's all fucked up on drugs, he's all. He's all hopped up on trying to make more money on zoomies.
Speaker 2:In late 1996, Scott planned what he hoped would be his last and most lucrative heist. He along with two accomplices, Mark Biggins, and.
Speaker 2:Kevin Myers targeted a C first bank branch in Lake city, a suburb of Seattle. Thanksgiving Eve was chosen as the date of the heist. The robbery was meticulously planned, but things quickly spiraled out of control. Scott's accomplices were a little less experienced and more prone to panic, which added an element of unpredictability to the operation. During the heist, one of Scott's accomplices panicked and shot a bank employee. The situation only got worse from there. Their getaway van got stuck in Thanksgiving traffic, ultimately surrounded by police. Scurlock made an attempt to open fire on the police, but his rifle jammed in his initial effort. Subsequent attempts at returning fire were made, but both Biggins and Myers were shot in the melee.
Speaker 2:Eventually fleeing the scene, the van and its occupants ultimately crashed into the side of a house. Police discovered bigots and Myers in the van, along with makeup, clothing, weapons and more than a million dollars in cash spread on the van's floor. But there was no Scurlock. In true Hollywood fashion, he'd evaded police by jumping out of the van before it fled. Simply while police had their eyes on the van, he'd escaped without having been seen. That's crazy. Yeah, man, it's like a little misdirection there. Follow the van, follow the van. Like you know, it's politics all day, right? So just here's what I'm doing over here. Watch this hand. Don't look what I'm doing behind my back here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you know what they used to track them back? Then they had these things called pro net tracers, like an air tag.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was reading up on that again. I haven't seen this documentary, but I was definitely reading up on that. So with what, I gather why there was a million bucks spread out on the floor of this van. They cracked open all the bags. Somehow, some way, they had learned about these air tag equivalents and they're just sifting through all of the cash, all of the cash, all of it. Just sift it. Where's the tracker? Where's the tracker?
Speaker 3:Where's the tracker? Yeah, and they were doing it in the dark and it was crazy, yeah, flashlights. But, um, when they were, when they were like in their prime, committing these, uh, robberies and stuff and doing, well they had they would like steal these vehicles or they had this lady that they had that would get on the inside and she was the one, and I still think that they don't have um they had this like matt says they had this lady and both dave and I go, and then he says yeah, they had to get on the inside.
Speaker 2:Sorry, yeah, but juvenile humor yes they.
Speaker 3:They hired this lady or had her on their payroll um and she got jobs at banks yes, and she was she was the one that was telling them okay, they're putting these trackers in, they're looking for you here, but she would give them all the inside information on who the person is in charge of opening the vault. How many people will be there at this time when usually the busy hours are. And they never caught this woman. I don't think they ever gave her up.
Speaker 1:No time or anything. That's awesome. But she also like matt, saying she told them like they would be trained there on, like if a criminal comes in and says, xyz, like you need to do this. So they knew what to say when they'd go in, like the trigger words from the training to get people to do what they want like you know if they come in and yeah, if they tell you to do this, it's a real robbery.
Speaker 3:You need to do this, this and this.
Speaker 1:So these employees are trained for you know these bank robberies If they hear words like gun hostage you name it.
Speaker 2:Trigger words and there is a reaction that their employees are trained to do.
Speaker 1:So for them it was almost like oh, we just watched this, Like he said to do this, so so yeah, we'll do this.
Speaker 2:That's really smart.
Speaker 1:And these banks are insured. So it's kind of like just do what they say. We don't need people getting killed or anything like that. You're not trying to risk your life for $90,000, $100,000.
Speaker 2:It's funny. I was watching Fast Times at Ridgemont High the other day. Uncut loved it.
Speaker 1:So at the end, when Brad is working, at the bodega and the guy comes in to rob the store, while sean penn.
Speaker 2:While sean penn is in the bathroom and he you know, brad decides to fight back and throws the coffee at the guy and takes him down and does whatever. I can promise you that does not happen no does not happen. That's why there's things like insurance and that's why these clerks that are working there nowadays, even nowadays, are getting whatever they're making per hour. They don't give a shit, they're not the owner and they're, for god damn sure, not going to risk their life with somebody pointing a gun at them?
Speaker 3:no for sure and during, during the time where they were making all this money and robbing the banks. Well, they would buy, or have a person that they would just give money to to buy like a vehicle yes, and they would go like take the vehicle, put different place, do whatever they needed to do to it. They would use that vehicle for the getaway and then they would have a van that had like a false front or a false back?
Speaker 3:yeah, and they would get in. They would just go like 10 feet from where the robbery was, sit there with the money until you know all the cops are done doing their thing.
Speaker 1:They'd come pick the guy up and then head back to the tree house yeah, what matt's saying is like awesome, those vans, like if you're in the back breathing there'd be condensation on the windows. So they knew like, oh well, we got to be like under the floor so that when we're breathing there's no because they're coming looking in the parking lot. They would rob a bank, go out, get in the van, hide in the floor and wait, just wait, and they'd have a guy watching like a couple streets over, like hey, it's clear, and then they'd get up that's awesome, just wait them out, right, that's great, and it was driving the cops nuts because like where could they have gone?
Speaker 3:how could they have gotten away so fast?
Speaker 2:yeah, they're. You think you're chasing somebody, so they're still running, they're running, they're running. No man, they're just laying there waiting.
Speaker 3:They're hiding up and they thought they would get them with these trackers, like dave said, and they they knew about it from this girl that they had as a plant. So she was like, right away, when you get them, go through the stacks and they would just toss these things and they were kind of used like the trackers they used in um, no country for old men you see what he was driving at that thing, like it's like like one of those beeper type things, and it was, I mean, very archaic it was using like radio frequency or something, but that's what it
Speaker 2:was for the time. It's a box. It's amazing. It's a box the size of, you know, a small box of crayons, and it's got an intent on it. All it has is a one little light right in the middle of it. That's either going to blink or not blink that's telling you if you're close, yes, yeah yeah, that's amazing that too what matt said about the car.
Speaker 1:To get away cars, they would approach people that did not fit the description like a heavyset woman. Oh, here we'll give you a thousand dollars on top of the price to go buy this car. So when they go back and find the car, who bought the car? Oh, she was like a heavyset woman. And now they're looking for a heavyset woman.
Speaker 3:Nothing to do with the crime smart people do stuff for money, though that's yeah. They're like hey, do this. Like okay, how much you giving me here? You?
Speaker 2:This is back in the day before. There was so many, so many checks and balances put in place relative to paperwork and signing and blah, blah blah, like there was hell. I can even remember in my what my 20s I remember people were buying what they would call paycheck cars. They would just go spend a grand on a car and it was just cash out of pocket and it was just cash out of pocket.
Speaker 1:Here's the here's money.
Speaker 4:Thanks for the car it's done and just run.
Speaker 1:It just be going also around this time. A lot of his friends scott scurlock's friends and acquaintances were having these dreams and they were warning him like, hey, I had a weird dream last night that, like you, got shot premonition stuff like that. So it was like two or three people that uh referenced that and he kind of like blew it off but he, he wanted that one more big score, which everybody told him not to do.
Speaker 3:But it was funny like um, people don't think cops know what they're doing, but I guess some of these cops had like actuaries and stuff sitting like knowing when he would be running out of money, like what.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, they timed it out. Yeah, like what would be the best days.
Speaker 3:that okay, he'll be running low on money come this date $21,000 a month, it was yeah so like, okay, so you have. These three weeks are going to be like his prime time to strike and they had all these people doing these numbers and running these. It's crazy. So, yeah, I think cops know a little bit of what they're doing out there.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I saw that, so that was a very intriguing point. So they would determine when they could get it to the day when he was going to rob it. Then they had to calculate all right, well, what's the location going to be? And I read someplace that the cops had the right day. They were just at the wrong bank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a mile away or something A mile or two away.
Speaker 3:But those things you see on the movies where they have the little piece of red yarn going on all the thumbtacks and these faces. That's real.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. That's real man. Oh God, I'm curious as to whether the woman they're inside intelligence.
Speaker 3:The inside job yeah.
Speaker 2:Was she able to determine or convey to them all? Right, look, peaks and valleys in a week here. This is when there's going to be like the most money at this bank, like on deposits.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah, they knew they would do um. Uh, what's that recon? Like to see when the trucks pull up.
Speaker 2:If people get paid on a Friday, like I remember being a kid and going my, you know and he would come home and get the paycheck or, I'm sorry, he'd come home get my mom and I We'd go to the bank through the drive-thru and he would cash his check. So I mean he wasn't the only one Like, friday was by far and away the busiest day at the bank. I got to believe that if there's any day back in the day where there's going to be a lot of cash at the place, it's going to be a friday.
Speaker 3:Friday, yeah, yeah but I think that'd be too busy of a day, you know what I mean people in and out yeah, you don't want to be. There are too many people, you'd have to catch them first thing in the morning.
Speaker 2:Friday you ain't got no job, I got no car because I got no job you ain't got shit to do, that's right.
Speaker 3:I got no lady. I ain't got no car to drive around in because I got no job, all right. Well, I remember pizza on fridays when my parents got paid.
Speaker 2:Pizza Friday yeah, that'd be like Pizza Hut.
Speaker 3:Yeah, every two weeks or whatever. Whenever their pay was, Get the bucket. I would sit there and play the little Pac-Man while we're waiting for a pizza. There was a.
Speaker 2:Journey game there for a minute. Journey the band.
Speaker 1:Was it a video game? Yeah, there was a video game, oh wow, at Pizza Hut. Yeah, it was a cocktail game, oh, where you would sit down at the table.
Speaker 3:Yep Like a Pac-Man Was that, the one by Twin Kiss? Yeah, I don't remember that, I just remember the Pac-Man one the one you sit down on.
Speaker 2:Yep, they had a Pac-Man cocktail.
Speaker 3:They had a Frogger cocktail, yeah, and they had the like all you can eat buffet they had a buffet at wendy's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get like spaghetti they had like garlic bread macaronis.
Speaker 3:They had some kind of soup they remember they had that nachos.
Speaker 1:They had like that sunroom too off the one end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one on Front Street. I know had that up North Front Street. I still, to this day, miss Pizza Hut's buffet man, it was a good one, that was a banging deal too, Breadsticks.
Speaker 3:It wasn't like $6.99. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was seven bucks for all the pizza you could eat.
Speaker 3:For everybody out there listening. The younger crowd like you can't get a cheeseburger now mcdonald's for seven dollars.
Speaker 1:That's crazy fun fact mcdonald's is bringing back cheap food.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that 5.99 they in fact have already brought, so they brought that back. They're bringing it back thanks to, actually of all people, wendy's, oh really. So wendy's offers that biggie bag or whatever. It's five bucks or 5.99 or some shit. It's a burger, it's a four-piece nug fries and a drink. Now, ps, wendy's nuggets are crap they're awful, yeah process mcdonald's. Mcdonald's sees that and says, yeah, man, look, and times are tough. Thanks, joe biden. We've got to bring you know. People are hungry here yeah so he did that where he at matt, I did that no, I was.
Speaker 3:I was just thinking about when you were saying. I was like that's, everybody is at chick-fil-a. Now, there, there is nobody. I see it like mcdonald's, burger king, wendy's you go to chick-fil-a and you're in line for well, no, they move the lines fast, but I mean there's lines every, every time I drive by there.
Speaker 2:It's like three.
Speaker 3:It's a three lane drive-thru but they got their shit down. Like the person comes out, they're standing there, they got. Good, yeah, guys come in helping you out. There's three people, four people standing there. They got workers. They close on sundays to go to church, that's right, yeah, which we're down here in the basement.
Speaker 2:The food is good. It's not processed over, it's not overly processed shit food. It's good, it's the best. Yeah, I, I give it to them chick-fil-a knows what they're doing, they do. God bless you.
Speaker 3:Chick-fil-a that's right. Maybe this girl he would have tried to rob Chick-fil-A? That's right.
Speaker 1:Maybe Skrull he would have tried to rob Chick-fil-A? I would hope not In today's world.
Speaker 3:He's like damn. Look at all the money.
Speaker 1:It is. That's all credit card business, though it is yeah, they just, they just.
Speaker 2:That got me to thinking too. So this guy like nowadays with banks, you, if you deal too much in cash, that is to say, for certain account structures or certain account deals like, basically, if you deal in more than $25,000 a month in cash, like counter deposits, they will start to charge you. If you deal in more than 50 grand a month, they will charge you more. It's because that cash banks have gotten lazy to the extent of everything's done electronically. Well, that's great, the computer's doing the work, which means that I don't have to I, the bank, don't have to pay that many or I can pay less staff. However, when it comes to physical cash, I got to pay staff to count it, I got to pay for the vault space to keep it, I got to buy a money counter to go through it.
Speaker 1:It's a lot more.
Speaker 2:It's a lot more effort and it's a lot more time, and so they will. Now, I promise you they will charge you using, if you do at least counter deposit, cash stuff. Now, if you're using a courier service like a Brinks or a Loomis, that in and of itself is hundreds, if not a thousand or something a month, but again, that's because you're dealing in cash, it's all cash.
Speaker 1:You look over here, like in my basement, I have banker boxes with paperwork, important stuff in there, and then I could put all that on a little SD card. I could archive it and that's hardly any space and really no work. I want to look it up. Boom, instead of paging through all that and whatever. So it makes sense.
Speaker 3:Well, all these little banks that are popping up too, I think, in 15, 20 years, who knows banks? Banks are slowly becoming non-existent.
Speaker 1:It's, yeah, it's, I mean, and all these little at cash apps and things you use to pay for stuff and and to move money around, and is it really money or is it?
Speaker 3:is it is it it's a little good numbers Hershey park and stuff Also. I think they're, they're cashless.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't you can't.
Speaker 3:There's places that you go that you can't use cash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I guess you buy the control perspective they're taking instead of cash at a thousand different kiosks and booths and tables and little cash registers. It's all up front. One big spot. It's like the hershey, it's like the bank of hershey, essentially. Yes, you're going to hershey park, to the bank of hershey park. Here's a thousand dollars in cash or whatever. That's going into this machine that's now going to give me a or cash or credit, doesn't matter, that's going to give me this magical debit card.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that then becomes the bank of Hershey Cash. Yeah, but they're getting you on that.
Speaker 3:Like Axel says, my hands are tied yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. So this guy was robbing a bank with Biggins and Myers. All right. Meanwhile, biggins and Myers would both go on to be sentenced to 21 years in prison. The injury to the bank employee in the Seafirst bank robbery drew significant media attention, thereby intensifying the manhunt for Scott and putting law enforcement agencies across the region on high alert. The day after the botched heist, november 27, 1996, thanksgiving Day would be Scott's last Authorities were notified of a trespasser in a camper owned by Wilma Walker after her son had seen a man inside through one of the camper's windows. Five officers arrived. Using pepper spray and tear gas they hoped to force the intruder out of the camper. A single gunshot was fired from within the camper. Police, of course, returned fire and after hours of waiting they finally entered Inside. Police found Scott Scurlock dead, having shot himself in the head with his own pistol.
Speaker 1:He had told friends and family members, like when I go out well, I shouldn't say family members, I don't think they were aware of what he was up to, but, like friends that were involved with him, that, um, he would never go out like to prison. He would go out, he would, he would walk to the white light. He said something like that Right, like he knew, like if he ever got called, he's just going to offer himself. That's a good jam, yeah.
Speaker 3:Cypress.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But this got me to thinking as well as like what do you think? I actually looked up the number one bank robbery of all time, the amount and the robbery. You know what it is? No, it kind of surprised me $700,000. That was nearly a billion dollars. What A what.
Speaker 3:You can't even walk away with a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:Well, With a B Cardo's going like this yeah.
Speaker 3:Saddam hussein.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, he brought, he brought trucks up to a bank and said I'm robbing you, saddam hussein bank heist. Baghdad, iraq in 2003 oh baghdad nearly a billion. It was like 900 and some million. But just before the us invasion iraq they stole. He sent like three guys over there and uh, and instructed them hey, get this money out. Yeah, because we want to get it out before the war starts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That reminds me of someone like SpongeBob. You got all these dudes with bags Like three hours later, yeah, still walking out with bags.
Speaker 2:Exactly, there's no billion close to a billion. I'm just thinking of like the gold bullion and stuff. Oh my In Die Hard 2.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, diehard three, diehard three oh yeah, with the dump trucks, they were under the dam, the one with samuel l jackson. Yeah, here's some other notable ones. Uh, there was the british bank of the middle east and, and it was in, uh, beirut. 20 to 50 million was stolen.
Speaker 3:These are all like these, these countries where there's like no law. No, you just walk up like hey, uh the.
Speaker 1:The largest one I could find in the us was in cal California. It was like 30 million.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:And that was like guys from Ohio that drove out.
Speaker 4:I thought that was Brody and that's not on this list. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3:Bodie from Brooklyn, bodie yeah.
Speaker 1:Bodie. A lot of these are in England, london, uk. The Knightsbridge security deposit robbery that was in 87. That was 60 million. And then what else we have here? Oh, brazil in 2005,. The Banco Central burglary, 70 million. And oh, here's another one in Iraq in July of 2007, 282 million. That one, that Hussein. They recovered a lot of that money, not a lot of it, but a good amount of it.
Speaker 2:Was it Ice Cube and Mark Wahlberg?
Speaker 1:And George Clooney Ocean's Eleven or something.
Speaker 2:Three.
Speaker 1:Kings, oh, three Kings. I don't know if I saw that US soldiers, I guess they were saying, went in and got some of the money. They recovered some of it, but a lot of them ended up stealing that money.
Speaker 4:Of course it was all cash.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, so they ended up. Some of those guys were on trial then.
Speaker 2:I disappear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course gonna notice, um, but yeah that, I thought that was a huge number and I would agree that is a huge goddamn number, yeah, but that that that's like yeah, that's that's out of balance, that you're not, that's you can't even this is a guy that's driving up you know armored personnel carriers, and just okay, everybody throw the shit in the back or you will be shot like organic rifle fire? No, we're not. No, I'm bringing the tank in in a second If you guys don't start listening.
Speaker 1:Hussein showing up in Vegas. I'd like to put 500 million on the chiefs.
Speaker 3:What are you doing to me today? Wait he's not Indian.
Speaker 2:He's not Indian at all. Well, I don't know how to talk like that. He's not an American Indian. He's not an Indian American who can?
Speaker 1:do a good accent, let's go, holy shit. I'm doing my best. I mean, I had a little. He's not Indian, but how would he talk?
Speaker 2:How would he talk? I keep thinking of Saeed Jarrar from Lost, which is kind of Indian.
Speaker 1:So let's hear it. If he wanted to play the Saeed sound, how would he sound?
Speaker 2:I couldn't besmirch the greatness of Saeed. Please put your hands up immediately you sound like a bodega owner.
Speaker 1:Well, it sounded better than mine, so say that. Say, put 500 million on the Chiefs.
Speaker 3:Put 500 million on the Chiefs please, let's do it, let's go.
Speaker 2:With that hat on, you both sound like Apu.
Speaker 3:That's the only one I knew from growing up.
Speaker 2:Apu Nahasapima Petalon yes.
Speaker 3:I wish I could do that Thank you Norte Lending Library.
Speaker 1:See, that one's good. You should have did that, no, that's good.
Speaker 2:I can't.
Speaker 1:He would stand out in Vegas, I think, with all that money.
Speaker 2:He would stand out even more now that he's dead. So this guy shot himself in the head. Glock 17, 9 mil.
Speaker 3:Good choice.
Speaker 2:I have a Glock 27. No safeties on this guy. I know what you're doing. No, you are the safety. You are the one holding the gun. You are the safety.
Speaker 1:I know his sister said too, like the last decade of his life, um, now she didn't know any of this stuff was going on. But she said like she noticed a big change in him where he was taking major risks on even stuff outside of this that she didn't know about that, almost like he had a death wish, I guess what she was kind of trying to say. Sometimes I think people just check out and you know where she made a quote. It was something like along the lines of his life would end up being a dead end, like. In other words, like he's just gonna die someday, no matter what it is, whether he's. He was doing these zip lines like on his property, like he would make up, yeah, like 60 foot up in the air, oh yeah, and he's making videos of it.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's just doing wild shit, plus this stuff he's doing behind the scenes. Another movie they went to see a couple years later, him and a friend that was robbing these banks with heat, and in that movie they were like man, this is the most. You know, these two guys that rob banks.
Speaker 1:They're like this is the most, uh, authentic portrayal of a bank robbie that we've ever seen and they got really scared to depart with a shootout and it was kind of like a foreshadow of what was to come. But so he knew like this life's gonna eventually lead to either getting shot or getting in prison.
Speaker 3:Heat was a great movie yeah, I don't remember it you don't? Oh, you gotta watch that one.
Speaker 1:I saw it back in 95 Val.
Speaker 3:Kilmer Pacino, I saw it, but I just don't remember it.
Speaker 1:It's been a long time Val.
Speaker 2:Kilmer, when he still had his throat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think Scurlock wanted to get caught. I just think shit went so wrong at that time. I mean, I can see what you meant by a death wish, but I think if they would have got away with this, I think he would have traveled, been somewhere. I don't think he would have been back back into washington state for years maybe there's a sorry go ahead, no, you go.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say you know how, like serial killers and stuff start getting sloppy and it's almost like they want to get caught.
Speaker 2:You wonder if maybe something's going on with him I just gotta wonder in a serial killer's head, or even in no shit skurlock's head, that you just get to a point where there's no way, you come to a realization that there's no way out of this lifestyle. I cannot see a way out. You know, I'm sure I'll tell myself it's going to be the last heist and that's going to be it. That's going to be it. But the lifestyle continues, the need for money continues, that whatever continues. You can't get out. You just can't. So maybe, just maybe, that's why you start seeing the sloppiness, or the disregard for their own life, or the disregard for others lives, or the you name it just or the willing to take more risks because their only way out is death.
Speaker 3:Right I think it was him pushing his friends away because of all the stuff going in your mind of thinking, am I getting caught? Because the guy was. He was tall, thin, um, kind of looked like a 70s porn star kind of dude, good looking, good looking guy. Like he had a ton of friends in the beginning. They just they used to like coming over hanging out the tree house. It was kind of like being a kid again. You know what I mean. And uh, I think once, like zap said, once you get too deep into this, like trying to figure out a way out, you're like, oh well, I, this will be my last one, this will be my last one. And then you're like, oh, I need one more, I need one more. So it's kind of like an addiction also.
Speaker 3:It's never enough yeah like like he was addicted to drugs. He was probably addicted to the rush, the adrenaline feeling.
Speaker 2:That's something that would be hard to give up yeah, especially getting away with it jacked up on goofballs. Yeah, hey guys, can you wrap it up? Oh yeah, well, I think that's about time though. Yeah, we've kind of milked this sponge for all it's worth no, it was a good story, though, milky sponge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really did enjoy, uh, the documentary and then reading up on this guy I need to watch this documentary of which you speak.
Speaker 2:It's very good. It's really well made, very good. And what's it called?
Speaker 1:how to rob a bank how to rob a bank just came out on netflix. Like I think it's well matt, you must have you found it first. So it was. Was it like in the top 10? I guess at that. I know in my sting it was like in the top 10, so it's a very popular I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just I came across it. I was looking for something to just keep on in the background.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I was like sweeping or doing stuff around the house and caught my attention I definitely enjoy ones where, um, you know that that's kind of fresh in everybody's mind, like actually we're gonna luck out. We just did a podcast on lou perlman. Well, they're doing a big thing on netflix on lou perlman so I'm sure like people would be like oh, I want to hear more about we were there first.
Speaker 3:God damn, it was he the kid toucher, lou perlman's, uh n-sync the backside boys. Yeah, yeah, he he like, yeah, allegedly try, try these on, he did that's right.
Speaker 2:He jumped around on the bed with the towel I can make you a star.
Speaker 3:They have the other one too, the other guy that was from um other kid on the nickelodeon guy oh yeah, the. I know you're talking, that's a good story if you guys want to watch that one yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't get to see that one yet, but I'm aware of it. But these ones that are kind of like Dahmer when we did Dahmer, people were like I had Officer Vince, that's how he found us. He's like oh.
Speaker 1:I watched the Dahmer thing and then I Googled, I went on podcasts about Dahmer and you're striking when the iron's hot hot show right now and it was a documentary. It was cool to watch and, uh, definitely like I would have thought. Like I said, in the very beginning, I thought this guy, I thought they made point break about him, but it's the other way around, vice versa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a cool one.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed it, so you guys got anything else I got nothing before I uh get yelled at no, uh like, uh, like you were saying, you know, while the iron's hot here, uh check it out. It's a good watch. I think an hour and 20 minutes.
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