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V.C.R. Presents: The Warriors (1979) – Urban Gangs, Brotherhood, and the Journey to Cult Status
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Can you imagine navigating a city teeming with hostile gangs, all vying for your downfall? This week on Vintage Cinema Review, we transport you back to the gritty streets of 1979 New York City with "The Warriors." Together, we'll relive the iconic moments and unforgettable characters that made this film a cult classic. From the harrowing journey back to Coney Island to the deeper themes of brotherhood and survival, we dissect every element that has cemented "The Warriors" in cinematic history. Let's explore the production secrets, delve into the film's budget and box office success, and reflect on the indelible cultural impact that this movie has had over the decades.
Ever wondered how the stylized gangs in "The Warriors" compare to the flamboyant music groups of the late '70s and early '80s? We'll take you on a nostalgic journey through the unique visual and thematic elements of gang representation in cinema from that era. The comic book-style transitions, the unforgettable truce called by Cyrus, and the chaotic aftermath – all of these elements are explored in depth. You'll also learn some fascinating trivia about the filming locations and the book that inspired the movie, all while we break down the costume designs and the impressive gang scenes that made this film memorable. We'll even discuss the casting choices and the real gang members who were extras in the film.
Join us as we recount the thrilling encounters the Warriors face, from their run-in with the brutal Turnbull ACs to their clash with the Baseball Furies. Each ambush and chase is analyzed, revealing the strategies and survival instincts of our protagonists. We'll share personal stories about the unpredictability and vibrancy of New York City's subway system, drawing a vivid parallel to the movie's intense scenes. Finally, we'll reflect on how "The Warriors," despite its initial mixed reception, grew into a beloved cult classic, inspiring everything from video games to music. This episode is a nostalgic celebration of a film that continues to captivate audiences – can you dig it?
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Speaker 2:We're covering from 1979 the warriors, ah the warriors. A vivid picture of gang life, the bonds of brotherhood and the length to which one will go for survival yeah, surviving.
Speaker 3:Uh, nine members about the warriors trying to survive a night in new york city trying to get back to coney island. Um, what about a hundred thousand other gang members trying to get them?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So why don't you guys gang up and leave us a five-star rating on Spotify? On Apple, you can leave us a five-star rating and a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy. From 1979, the Warriors. Hey, this is Dave.
Speaker 3:Matt and Zap, and welcome to the Vintage Cinema Review.
Speaker 1:Where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past.
Speaker 3:Hey, there ain't no late fees here, silence is golden and be kind Rewind. Hey, if I had some Coke bottles right now, I'd be clinking them getting ready for this next movie coming up. Yeah, that's uh that's a iconic scene. It's pretty much all I knew about this movie back in the day. I knew it had, like that, come out and play scene right for, for, uh, what's the movie?
Speaker 1:that movie would 1979.
Speaker 3:And this was a shout-out right this is our boy, Brooklyn Brian.
Speaker 1:Brooklyn Brian yeah, he's been around since the beginning of the podcast.
Speaker 3:I thought you were going to say he was in the Warriors, because it was in that area right.
Speaker 1:Brooklyn. Yeah, he would have been like eight years old, I think, around this time.
Speaker 2:An innocent bystander, as it were. As it were, as it were.
Speaker 1:As it were. I asked him. I said, hey, is this what New York's really like? He's like nah, man, there's nothing like that up there.
Speaker 2:Not now.
Speaker 1:Not now, but yeah, warriors 1979, rated R running time of 92 minutes. Release date on this February 9th 1979. So we were real young.
Speaker 2:I was two and a half, yeah, three.
Speaker 1:Three, yeah, so this was directed by Walter Hill, screenplay by David Shaver, Walter Hill, and it was based on a book by Saul Yurik the Warriors.
Speaker 3:I bet the book would have been good.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because all that stuff that they put on film you would have imagined in your head. It would have been different.
Speaker 2:There's still a chance. I bet the book still exists.
Speaker 1:Yes, sure, it's still around. So this was produced by Lawrence Gordon with a budget of $4 million, box office $22.5 million. That did pretty well. Heck yeah, not bad Back in the early 80s, late 70s.
Speaker 2:That's not bad. The juice was worth the squeeze for that.
Speaker 1:Because tickets were cheap, I'm sure back in 79.
Speaker 2:Shit yeah. What do you think? Two bucks Probably cheaper than that.
Speaker 1:Maybe $1.50? Yeah, something like that. This movie was shot entirely in New York City. Filming for this 1979 action thriller took place from June 26, 1978 through September of 1978.
Speaker 2:Okay, in like three, four months. Yeah, three month run, that's not bad.
Speaker 1:So that's pretty much it for that fun stuff. I'll turn it over to zap for the cast.
Speaker 2:Sure, all right. The cast of warriors includes, but it's not limited to, michael Beck as Swan, james Remar as Ajax, deborah van Valkenburg as mercy, marcelino Sanchez as Rembrandt, david Harris as Cochise, tom McKittrick as Cowboy, brian Tyler as Snow, dorsey Wright as Cleon Cleon.
Speaker 3:Cleon oh.
Speaker 2:Cleon Terry Michos as Vermin, david Patrick Kelly as Luther, roger Hill as Cyrus, edward Sewer as Masai Lynn Thigpen as the DJ and Thomas G Waits as Fox. Please note, thomas G Waits had to actually dig for that one.
Speaker 1:So which one was Fox? Was he the?
Speaker 2:He was the brown curly haired dude.
Speaker 1:Like hey man, yeah, I'm gonna get that guy. He was the brown curly haired dude. Like hey man, yeah, I'm gonna get that guy.
Speaker 2:He was the brown curly haired warrior.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's a warrior, he was a warrior.
Speaker 2:He was the brown curly haired dude that was basically like the sidekick to Swan.
Speaker 1:I thought it was maybe the guy from the Rogues, you know, that was like, hey man, yeah, I'm gonna you know that guy, the guy with the no, I thought he was.
Speaker 3:He looked like the same dude from the vampire movie we just watched, from Lost Boys Lost Boys I thought that was like his brother or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that James Raymar Ajax. So as soon as I was like man, I know that guy and so he was the dad in Dexter. I don't know if you guys watch Dexter.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So in the flashback scenes he was the dad from Dexter. And uh, there was something else too. I said I saw he was in, but very recognizable face.
Speaker 2:I was looking at his uh background up. He was in, and still is in, a lot of stuff Like a lot.
Speaker 3:Dexter was a big one, Was there there was something like a big he plays some sex in the city. That's what it was. Yes, he was.
Speaker 2:He was uh not big the other guy, not mr big, not mr big. So this guy, that james remar, he doesn't necessarily play big lead roles, but his he's in such a shit ton of supporting roles and I mean a ton and he does voice work yeah, when I first saw the, I thought the one guy was richard gear, but it was not um which one, china.
Speaker 3:He was one of the warriors, I thought the main guy not the main guy, no it was, uh, the main guy swan.
Speaker 2:So that's michael beck. I swear to god and sunny jesus, he looks to me like heath ledger.
Speaker 1:He looks like a younger heath ledger, yeah, yeah, I could see that a little bit 100 anyways we'll turn it over to matt for a brief synopsis okay, let's uh.
Speaker 3:Synis of the Warriors. I like how you printed this out.
Speaker 1:This is very, very large off the back of a VHS.
Speaker 3:Nice, the Warriors. A battle of gigantic proportions is looming in the neon underground of New York city. The armies of the night number a hundred thousand, they outnumber the police five to one, and tonight they're after the Warriors, a street gang blamed unfairly for a rival gang leader's death. This contemporary action adventure story takes place at night, underground, in the subculture of a gang warfare that rages from coney island to manhattan to the bronx. Members of the warriors fight for their lives, seek to survive in the urban jungle and learn the meaning of loyalty. This intense and stylized film is a dazzling achievement for cinematographer Andrew Laszlo.
Speaker 1:Like the wrestler. Yes.
Speaker 3:The Warriors.
Speaker 2:Or like Laszlo Hallifeld from Real Genius.
Speaker 1:Laszlo, which one was that that?
Speaker 2:was John Grease. He's the guy who lived in the steam tunnel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he lived in the basement.
Speaker 3:Oh, that guy, yeah, he was that guy yeah, he was cool, lived in the closet. He, he won, he won all the uh money for the uh frito-lay concert.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, yeah, I guess that's it for the synopsis. You want to steer us through this. This gem of a movie is that? But I will happily steer us through this this gem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, a little expound on matt's synopsis a bit, shall we? It all started on a warm summer night when the Warriors, a Coney Island gang led by Swan, traveled to the Bronx for a citywide meeting Organized by Cyrus, the charismatic and influential leader of the Gramercy Riffs. The purpose of the gathering was to unite all of the city gangs into one unstoppable force of the gathering was to unite all of the city gangs into one unstoppable force. Cyrus articulated a vision where the gangs, with their combined power, could collectively take control of the city. Cyrus's vision created an atmosphere filled with both tension and hope. So where did they film this? How does this happen that I mean thousands of gang members of all these different gangs get together in an amphitheater, some plate, was it like central park?
Speaker 1:or some shit. Well, I was thinking like exactly that how do you coordinate that in 1979? Like, if you're talking about like no phones, no phones, no nothing no lights, no motor cars.
Speaker 3:You put up flyers.
Speaker 1:Cops are going to know which. Maybe, maybe they do anyhow, but yeah, I thought about that. This is before social media and like uh, where you can post and like reach that many people. This is like an insane amount of gang.
Speaker 2:It's amazing as so this basically takes us through. All that we did so far is get through the intro, basically, and the the start of this meeting, where we see this charismatic dude standing there with this weird ass robe that looks like. Looks like, since, since you're talking to a wrestler, it looks like a championship boxer standing up there with this robe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hype man.
Speaker 3:His weird ass hair and the famous. Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Yeah?
Speaker 2:As we start, through these credits, the opening credits of this movie you see all the different gangs that they're going to end up highlighting later in the movie. These are some messed up looking dudes, man did you guys?
Speaker 3:like I couldn't stop laughing to myself the whole beginning of this movie. Like first of all I thought, michael jackson, it was like a michael jackson video. Yeah, I thought like jackson was gonna pop out, correct? And then then I was like is that prince? Like I thought the whole new power generation was like a whole band. Well, yeah, there's like the revolution is a band. There's like every 80s music group was like their own gang. Yeah, they all had gimmicks. Yeah, like guns and roses was there. I was like who's?
Speaker 2:that gang. That's the best way to put it. I think every gang was basically its own gimmick, like especially the baseball boys oh my god, they were like david bowie.
Speaker 1:Uh, like with the face makeup yeah, alice cooper.
Speaker 1:Every group from the early 80s was was had their own gang in this movie one thing I did like and I thought it was pretty maybe it was at the time, I don't know how many movies were doing it was. It was slick how it started out as like a comic book, yeah, and then it would like fade into the real, uh, you know, the real life scene, yep, and that very beginning kind of reminded me of like, uh, like 300, or this is sparta, and they were describing like, uh, in the very, very beginning of the movie, before all this stuff started.
Speaker 3:I thought that was very cool With Bruce Willis. They did it kind of like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was Sin City, sin City was cool.
Speaker 3:I dug the way they did that.
Speaker 1:So this is 79. And this movie for me, I thought it looked good Like visually, like the filming was really well done and I thought that was pretty slick, Like it didn't look too cheesy for the time. Yeah, yeah, but I did raise those same questions, Zap, how are they getting? And it's a movie. We'll suspend this, I believe, but to coordinate all that was pretty impressive. Well, gangs talk.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm sure it spread throughout, you know, hey, big meeting.
Speaker 1:I did like the one black guy from the Warriors. He had like the headdress on, correct yeah that was cool.
Speaker 2:Looking. That was neat. I like that guy. In fact, he's the one that I think that we'll get to.
Speaker 3:The very village people-y, very village people-y, the warriors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was cool. So there was a truce at this point. At this point in the movie there was a truce that was called by basically by Cyrus Cyrus, because when you're the leader of the biggest gang, you basically get to yeah, there are a lot of riffs, you get to set some rules oh, another question I had right away is these gangs like some of them were made up of like eight people like, is that a gang?
Speaker 3:yeah 12 people in a gang, like who are you fighting or who you going against when you have eight, nine, ten people?
Speaker 1:well, this is kind of like travel baseball, like they just keep creating teams, like I can't make that team, I'll just make my own team that's correct and, uh, that is exactly like travel baseball, by the way, right exactly like I'm not good enough to be on that gang, so I'm just making my own gang, like you know, and it got me to thinking too like what are some ideas?
Speaker 1:like seems like anything goes in these gangs. I was thinking of some ones you can come up, like like the professionals, young professionals, you wear like suits, sure you know? Or, uh, like what would the gimmick be? You guys have any ideas like you're stabbing with a pen yeah, yeah, well, no, they had.
Speaker 3:They had pretty much every gimmick there. Like, like we said earlier, they had like an irish gang.
Speaker 1:They were wearing like the irish hats how about the uh, the morgue from work guys?
Speaker 3:they were like suspenders, yeah, the striped shirts suspenders yeah uh, they had, uh, they had guys like the Fedora Gang.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like who are these cats?
Speaker 3:Are they supposed to be like the Asian? There was an Asian mafia gang.
Speaker 2:I love that you said the Mork from Ork Gang. Yeah, because the suspenders I mean, if we're already throwing back to 1979, I mean damn, that's a throwback there. Yeah, Mork and Mindy.
Speaker 1:But that's what I thought when I saw that outfit. I'm like that looks like what he wore. Absolutely he wore that same outfit all the time, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I also thought of Clockwork Orange.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Some of these gang's look reminded me of those cats.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the costume design there. They were just like throw bandanas on these guys, put something on those guys, put a nice flat-brimmed hat on these guys.
Speaker 2:All of these guys have to wear Vans. All of these guys have to wear, you know, shell-cut, adidas, the Adidas Shell-top.
Speaker 3:Adidas. That gang was kind of cool. I wanted to join them.
Speaker 1:They had like, just like jeans, shell-tops like just whatever, like shirt, Like a tank top, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, leaders from over a all eager to hear this visionary speak. Amidst this tense peace, the unexpected happened. As Cyrus's impassioned speech reached its climax, a shot rang out, fatally wounding him. Pandemonium erupted as Luther, the cunning and manipulative leader of the rogues, falsely accused the warriors of the assassination. Chaos ensued and in the fray, the police raided the meeting, forcing everyone to flee.
Speaker 3:What was that all about the warriors man? Yeah, he was framing them.
Speaker 2:That guy's so squirrely so we all saw the cops pull up, but their lights were off. What were they waiting for? Just other cops to show up?
Speaker 3:Yeah they didn't even see the berries. Flashing them high beams, true Well, waiting for just other cops to show up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't even see the berries flashing them high beams, true, well, I'm wondering, I was thinking that too, zap, like I'm wondering if their thing was like we're going to show up and if anything goes down we're going to, you know, but otherwise we're going to wait and observe. Okay, cause I guess maybe what they're doing is not illegal.
Speaker 2:Also one or three to one. I think it was 60 000 he was the number.
Speaker 1:So 60 000 people, 60 000 gang members and 20 000 cops. Right, I would just make up a gang that dressed like cops. Yeah, that way you know so confusing.
Speaker 3:Everybody should dress as cops.
Speaker 1:The cop gang, it's true the other gangs won't mess with you. And then the other cops, like other cops. I guess they would maybe know, but there's probably so many cops in new york that you get away with it maybe that's where the impersonating an officer charge came from.
Speaker 2:It might have people everybody just like so as I'm watching this movie, right, so I've I've never, certainly never, been in a gang no how does it work?
Speaker 2:how does, how does one live in a gang, and by that is it like do you have a regular day job, do you go home and hang out with your you know, and then at night is that when you just go out and hang out with the gang, or do these people just all sleep together and hang out together someplace, like, and they, they're all bums, basically, they never got to that point in the story.
Speaker 3:We didn't know about their day jobs or anything again.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. Do they even have day jobs? How does a gang, how does it work being in a gang?
Speaker 3:it looked like new york at that time is sort of like an apocalyptic type town. I think that's where they were going with the story. I think it's like the gangs just ran the town and I think you ganged all day and night. It's just like you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're right. Like you go to work and then you got to go home and get dressed Right, you go out and hang.
Speaker 2:It's like a second job yeah, exactly Like jobs, or do they? I can't, I just don't understand. Look, I understand it never. It didn't go into it and it didn't need to in the movie. I just don't know anything.
Speaker 3:I don't know shit about fuck, about being in a gang you mean like, if you're like uh, I don't even, I don't even know to bring up gangs are in trouble for it, but like, like a hell's angel type thing. You know, those guys have day jobs. They all work right, unless you're like the press or something that reminds.
Speaker 2:That reminds me. Did you see the one? There was one, the back of the jacket of one of the gang members at the-.
Speaker 1:The gathering.
Speaker 3:The big meeting.
Speaker 2:The big gathering. What was it? It's like the Rotunda or wherever the hell they're at. It was like Satan's Mothers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm almost positive.
Speaker 2:Wasn't that from the Simpsons no, that was the Hells, no, hell's no. I'm sorry that was in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.
Speaker 3:Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. Yeah, the Hell's Satans, hell's Satans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is that one where he's walking down the alley and Pee-Wee he goes and, like the guy runs away.
Speaker 2:No, this was no, but that was good. The scene with the Hell's Satans is where Pee-Wee does the tequila dance.
Speaker 3:He does the tequila dance at the bar Because he knocks all the bikes over. That's right, hell satans.
Speaker 2:All right. Panic cascaded across the thousands of gang members as word of Cyrus's death and the Warriors' alleged guilt spread like wildfire. A terrifying manhunt began. The Warriors found themselves isolated in the Bronx, far from their Coney Island. Turf Marked men. The Warriors had a death sentence hanging over their heads. They were now in a race against time to make their way back home, while every other gang in the city was out for their blood now, was that make your way?
Speaker 3:was that kind of like when we were kids, like when you're playing tag if you get to like where you're from, it's like you're safe yeah you're like if you're touching a tree so they can't touch you. If you're back at your like safe spot there was a home base or something.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It's those big cities, though, that I like and you always hear about that. That's like you're safe on this block but don't cross over area or an area where you're at risk. But they made a comment and I meant to ask brooklyn bryan about it and I know the subway system, maybe like weaves around and stuff but they made a comment something like we're 50 miles from home, yeah, so that's way the fuck off yeah, I was gonna say that you're talking distance, distance on foot from coney island up to the bronx the bronx, it ain't.
Speaker 2:It is not 50 miles, I want to say it's 20 or 30.
Speaker 1:Okay so did you hear that? Though I did. Someone made that comment.
Speaker 2:The guy had said in fact, it's that guy that we were talking about from Sex and the City guy, it was Ajax. It was James Remar who had said look, we got to be like 50, 100 miles from home, oh okay, Marcelino Rembrandt.
Speaker 1:The spray paint guy.
Speaker 2:The guy with the big, the Puerto Rican guy with the crazy Afro.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he made that comment. I'm like I know New York's big, but is it that big? No it was 20, 30 miles at best 30 miles, sure that's like from us in harrisburg to lancaster. Yeah, on foot, correct?
Speaker 1:you know that's a hell of a well, not necessarily on foot the whole way because they're jumping trains and doing whatever else. But, yeah, you got quite a way to go. But, um, yeah, I thought that was cool, like to see the different neighborhoods and areas they had to get through and all that yeah, it was neat to see absolutely um, he made a comment made me laugh, um, and he was talking about because this comes up a lot as the story progressed about like women and stuff and like hooking up, and he's like, yeah, maybe we'll get some strange wool yeah, strange wool yeah, because uh, you know that might pop up in the story here bushes were all in back then hey, it's, it was the I think they're all the craze still in today yeah, they are strange wool I.
Speaker 2:I gotta believe that there was only. It's not that they were in at the time, it just nothing had ever changed, like the concept of razors in, and you know, scaping down there didn't really come in until the nineties.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:They got commercials now like a lady like practically shaving on TV Did you ever see that?
Speaker 1:I did not see that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like she has, like a like her, her panties on like she's pushing them down Like what the hell kind of channels are you watching, man?
Speaker 1:No, it's just on regular like, like TV strange wool, not the movie with the two brothers. Yes, strange, well strange.
Speaker 3:Well, you got to drink beer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. The Warriors' first major encounter was with the Turnbull ACs, a gang notorious for their brutality, distinguished by their shaved heads and menacing demeanor. Driving a graffiti-covered bus, the Turnbull ACs spotted the Warriors and gave chase. In a desperate bid to escape, Swan led his gang in a daring run to the nearby subway station. They barely made it to safety of the train as the turnbull acs closed in setting the tone for the perilous journey ahead what's the ac for, I wonder? Air conditioning.
Speaker 1:Is that what it is?
Speaker 3:no auto club auto club.
Speaker 2:Uh, it sounds like a soccer team antichrist, antichrist yeah, turnbull, aces, turnbull, antichrist, antichrist yeah, no idea, but it's weird that this. So these guys are in this bus that's just driving up and down this one block and all of a sudden they do a U-turn and they come back, and that's when the guys decide to, that's when the Warriors decide to run.
Speaker 1:Well, they made a comment about them being skinheads. So I was thinking oh, are they like all white guys, or something.
Speaker 3:No, there wasn't.
Speaker 1:But in fact there was a mix of people.
Speaker 2:I think there was actually more of a token white guy.
Speaker 1:There was two. There was two in the whole gang. So when they were saying skinheads, they didn't mean it that way.
Speaker 2:They just meant they all have their head shaved. I think this was well, that's right, and this was well they that's right. And that was before the idea of or I should say, not the idea, but what we know today as the definition of a skinhead.
Speaker 1:this movie came out long before that ever before they'd use that term, I got you it had like two white dudes.
Speaker 3:It looked like they came from romper stomper and the rest were just like other it was just skinhead dudes. The subway, the subway thing back then.
Speaker 2:Man, like that's for damn sure the mode of transportation. Like I can dig that and I look, I love the subways. I still do. But like I just think of all these crazy ass bum gang members just jumping on the subway as quickly as they possibly can well.
Speaker 3:The only problem I had with that scene was when the turnbull acs were chasing the warriors. The warriors go all the way down to the end and finally slip on the subway.
Speaker 2:Why didn't they jump on?
Speaker 3:earlier Correct. Guys just jump in the subway. They're like, oh, we got them anyway, cause they're they had to go all the way down to the very one on the end and they're all like looking and hitting, like throwing their chain at the subway Cause it went away.
Speaker 1:I'm like well, you guys had too that. They say in the one song jump the turnstile, never pay the toll, which nobody was doing in this movie. They're in a hurry, but they're jumping that turnstile because I guess when you go through there, in the beginning.
Speaker 2:Did you see the one guy got like all the coins and started like putting it in for all the games, like I, our gang member is cool in the beginning that exchanges a dollar or two and gets a shit ton of tokens, and as the gang members are coming through, he's jamming the coins into the oh paying for it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I missed that. Okay, there you go then.
Speaker 2:Which makes sense. They didn't want to bring any heat on or attraction to where they were going, Like, oh, hey, look, we got a group of these guys that look like this, that or the other thing. They just doing it by the rules.
Speaker 1:But that Ajax, he's, he's taunting those guys, he's the one that waits as the bus is coming by, correct. And he's like, like doesn't he flip them off, or something I forget. And the guy swings. I don't know if he had a bat or a big wooden plank. He hits the metal and just misses him, pull All right.
Speaker 2:realizing the gravity of their situation, the warriors quickly devised a plan to stay together and watch each other's backs at all costs. However, as they continued south, they were ambushed by the Orphans, a loosely organized gang considered weak by other groups but had a significant presence in their territory. Initially, a truce seemed possible when Swan tried to negotiate peace, but Luther's lie had turned the orphans against them. Tension quickly escalated when Mercy, a local woman craving excitement, provoked a fight. A dangerous confrontation ensued, but the warriors managed to break free from the orphans' hold by igniting a fire and using the ensuing confusion to their advantage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those orphans didn't want to fight.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't want to fight, it was mercy egging them on Do orphans ever want to fight.
Speaker 3:No, you're right. So this bitch, she's a whore.
Speaker 2:She didn't do nothing. She's an instigator. She didn't do nothing, she's she's an instigator, she didn't do nothing, she is a bitch. She comes up and she basically punks the, the orphan leader and says look man, you're gonna let these warrior dudes wearing these vests, you're gonna let them walk on your turf like she's just egging him on, basically making him look like a man, there was a whole backstory to mercy.
Speaker 3:That's in warriors 2 electric boogaloo. Yeah, mercy, she was actually an orphan herself. She's a whore and and she didn't want to be an orphan, no more. And she wanted that. Like you said, she wanted excitement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she wanted excitement, all of that new and instead of johnson walking through the territory, one of the guys like, hey, this mercy girl.
Speaker 3:And then he went and he grabbed her skirt and he ripped a piece off he did.
Speaker 2:I was like was like oh no, look out, that was Swan. Yeah, you thought he was going to go doing some yeah.
Speaker 3:And then he, just, he, just let, he let the Molotov he let the Molotov which OK.
Speaker 2:So now let's go back to the having to suspend disbelief. So there, the two gangs are across the street from one another. There's eight warriors versus dozen, or it looks like 20 something. Okay, so at the end of the orphans.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry so scary gang I hate all the orphans in the whole world. Um, so swan lights this molotov and throws it, not at the orphans, at the car, at a car that's down the street from the orphans, and what's that gonna do? I guess whoa, everybody look at the fire on the thing. Well, these guys are, these guys are serious, man, we better let them run away.
Speaker 3:Well, no, bringing up it reminded me of like a simpsons thing, because it just hit the top of the car. Yeah, let alone two seconds later it's like boom, the whole car blows up, classic simpsons car explosion and you're like, oh okay it's like those guys never saw fire before.
Speaker 1:They would just be mesmerized, you know. But that girl too, all she wanted what started? All she was like give me your vest. Yeah, like, give me one. And the guy's like fuck, no, I'm not giving you one of our warriors vests. If it wasn't for her, you know, everything would have probably been peaceful. Those guys didn't want any that's correct.
Speaker 2:You know that's correct. The orphans were just showing their cred and then all of a sudden mercy starts it up yeah yep, she's a bi itch. I got nothing.
Speaker 3:I want nothing to do with that she was in a couple movies in the early 80s. I was trying to find out her name. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to to dive in mercy.
Speaker 1:She was a good looking lady, there was something about her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she I liked her she looked like a man. I like mercy.
Speaker 1:She wasn't doing nothing wrong, she's just hanging out I wonder what the tie was with her and them like why they cared so much, because she used to she used to be an orphan and then, then she was she in that gang with them yeah, she lived.
Speaker 2:She lived in their territory, I think she just lived there.
Speaker 3:Yeah she was adopted by a rich family and then the other orphans were really mad get the fuck out of here. That's a whole backstory you guys didn't, you didn't, you didn't delve I didn't do that much research that was again.
Speaker 2:That was warriors two electric boogaloo. That's not what we're reviewing today.
Speaker 1:We are we don't know the the origin story of mercy one thing I did like too, and all these cut scenes, was that dj yeah like, the real is the real. Was that a radio station or was that just for?
Speaker 2:effect. That was a radio station.
Speaker 1:It was legit. I didn't know if it was like they were doing it for the movie. You know who that chick is, I do not.
Speaker 2:So if you were ever, I should say maybe obviously we were ever kids before. Of course we were, but back in the day there was a show called where in the world is carmen san diego? Yeah is that the lady? She's the chief.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, she's carmen san diego's boss or whatever of the, the ajax detective agency or whatever the hell it reminded me of like, uh, like in the reservoir, dogs like that radio station like like you know that 70s radio. Like, hey, man, like look out for our boys out there, the Warriors, they're making their way. It's the same.
Speaker 2:It is the exact same concept that Spike Lee pulled in for Do the Right Thing.
Speaker 3:Do the Right Thing. Yeah, I was thinking like that's W.
Speaker 2:Balls, that's W Balls, if you're looking at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was digging that little cut scene with the DJ and all that Very cool. This is from Good Jam.
Speaker 2:Warriors. So that message was like look, warriors, this is a shout out to all other gangs out there Go kill the Warriors.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of like how they're communicating, correct. Yeah, that's how they're getting before the internet.
Speaker 3:It's like John.
Speaker 1:Wick Right yeah.
Speaker 2:Nowhere to Run. They played that song. That's right. That's right. Exhausted but undeterred, the warriors pressed on only to encounter the lizzie's, an all-female gang whose glamorous appearance masked their deadly intentions.
Speaker 3:The lizzie's not the lezzie's. Yeah, I know that's what they didn't catch on, because when you don't have more beans, you have less beans.
Speaker 2:The Lizzie's invited them to their hideout, offering a rare moment of respite. However, it was all a trap. The Lizzie's intentions were to kill them, claiming revenge for Cyrus's death. Fueled by desperation and quick thinking, the warriors fought their way out, realizing the deception and the price of their notorious reputation. So this is the point at which they kind of split, like the warriors split. Some of them were messed up by the police or got jammed up with the police or being chased by the police, and then another group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Ajax got in the park. He got the one girl was there undercover.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the undercover cop got them all messed up.
Speaker 2:I mean this is the thing Like, and it wasn't even a mercy, it was some other hooker.
Speaker 1:She was like a police undercover. She was undercover, yeah, and she handcuffed him to and, one by one, they're just like falling into that trap.
Speaker 3:Yep, oh yeah the one. The cop pulled him into the subway oh yeah remember? Yeah, he was the first one to go.
Speaker 2:So there's a fun fact about that. So that's the guy. That I had said was that it was the last guy on the list. It was. His character name was fox. He was the brown-haired dude, brown-haired white guy of the warriors, like the second in command. It was played by thomas g waits. So we will, we can talk about that. Fuck it, let's talk about it now. Yeah, do it. Fun fact that thomas g waits and that character of fox. So fox was supposed to have lived the whole way through this movie, the whole way, but that actor got on the bad side of the director. Oh no, he killed him all director.
Speaker 2:So the director said fuck you, I hate you, I don't want anything to do with you, I'm killing off your fucking character. And so he did so. You see all this acting of this guy. You see he's talking throughout the movie to this point like he talks a lot he was talking with the orphans. He was talking with everybody. Then that's actually a stunt guy that got killed, not even the actor they had to incorporate I would hope.
Speaker 2:So I'm saying they had to incorporate a guy that kind of looked remotely close right to him to make it look like it was it was him.
Speaker 3:But I think back in like 79.
Speaker 2:They've probably just went on the street and found like 20 people that look just like that hairstyle when I had said earlier that you had to dig, that I had to dig deep to find out who that guy was. He is not credited at all in this movie oh, oh, for real, you will not see him. Nope, he's not credited. How do you do that, though, if?
Speaker 3:you're in a movie, isn't that?
Speaker 2:illegal. He said fuck off. No, he actually said fuck you for killing off my character. I don't want anything to do with this movie. Keep me out of the credits and he gets no residual one guy that doesn't seem to get caught?
Speaker 3:yeah, he don't, he don't trust him.
Speaker 1:He's like, he's like everybody else is horny and like oh hey, making out and doing shit and this one guy's like get off me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like he knows like you want to dance he can see through the fog.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You guys, the guys get caught up in that and he's the only one's like nah, something's off here, something's off so you know, at least one of them had their head right. You know, I'm saying that's the right one.
Speaker 3:you know what I mean? That's right. No, then yeah, then the other. There were like the two, the blonde and the other, like uh, the one black girl they were dancing around and he's like looking around like something, something's not the one girl, they were packing, and I guess it was really hard to get a gun back then Because none of the gangs had guns Very few.
Speaker 1:Even the main black guy with the headdress stuff. He was like, like you said, he's probably one of my favorite dudes in the movie. He even got caught up in it. And he seemed to have a good head on his shoulders, that he seemed pretty you know what I mean, but but he was even like falling for it. Yep, but who was it? It was the guy the spray, the Rembrandt.
Speaker 3:Rembrandt, yeah the big fro.
Speaker 1:He's the one that was like nah man, something's up Yep.
Speaker 3:He knew right away. He's like they got heat or something.
Speaker 1:He said something like that. And then the girls started shooting and knives flying everywhere. Yeah, how's. No, that's the thing with these. Like bats, hardly. Yeah, bats like they're swinging. Like how do you miss that much? Like?
Speaker 3:like swinging bats shooting. I mean one guy did get stabbed.
Speaker 1:I know that, yeah, but but like somebody comes at you with a bat, you're usually kind of fucked. Yeah, but uh, not in this movie no.
Speaker 2:So you would think again well, we'll get. Let's get to these guys in a second all right cool, all right.
Speaker 2:Speaking of bats, the warriors odyssey continued through the darkened streets where they then clashed with the Baseball Furies, a gang notable for their eerie appearance in baseball uniforms and their weapon of choice, the baseball bat. The fight was brutal, with the Warriors enduring a vicious melee before finally besting the menacing Furies and escaping yet again. So yeah, I just wanted to get that in there, because that's basically the baseball guys we're talking about, the baseball Furies, the face-painted baseball uniform-wearing guys. So if you're in a gang and your weapon of choice not even choice your weapon that is known to all other gangs you're the a gang and you're a weapon of choice not even choice your weapon that is known to all other gangs. You're the dudes that are carrying baseball bats. Wouldn't you think that you would know how to swing it?
Speaker 1:and hit somebody with it. Just maybe you would think that's what I was like shocked by. And then, there again there was in these scenes and all these movies, people are fighting. There's people standing around watching, like you know. They're standing there with bats and watching two guys go at it and fight, like I mean, once you all just gang up. I don't know he said gang yeah, no pun intended no, they were like.
Speaker 3:Uh, they looked like they were yankee uniforms, like they had the pinstripes, the gray, but there was no like signs on them. The back had the furies on it, which I thought was kind of cool oh, yeah, they were.
Speaker 2:They all had their own custom-made uniforms, and again, custom-made uniforms, that this costs money. In order to get money, you need a job or you need to rob a place. I guess there's a lot of robberies in there. So how, yeah, I'm thinking how are they funding these vests or these uniforms or the whatever? I guess?
Speaker 3:either robbery or so maybe, maybe there's a straight guy someplace working but, like I said in, in the movie though there was no, it didn't look like, um, like people were working anywhere no, I just think these guys were working to get home, but this is all over.
Speaker 3:This movie takes place from like, maybe eight o'clock at night yeah, it's like the next morning or whatever, so, so it's not like people are out on the streets working, doing their thing you're right, though I wonder, like these guys and you know they wear those uniforms like during the day like you?
Speaker 1:know what I mean like the baseball uniforms with the face makeup. I mean, what? What a job like every night. Now I gotta put this face makeup on again.
Speaker 2:That's if I don't know. I'd love to know more about if you're, if you're, balls deep in a gang. Is it your whole life or is it kind of like a part-time?
Speaker 3:no, maybe it's like a bowling club like they do it tuesday nights like they tell their. They tell their wives, you know the girlfriends, like hey, I'm. You know it's like a bowling club, they do it Tuesday nights. They tell their wives, their girlfriends, like hey, it's Tuesday, I'll be out. I'm like, okay, have fun.
Speaker 2:Let's say if you're a Crip or a Blood or what's the Mexican one?
Speaker 3:MS, something MS3? Ms13.
Speaker 2:MS13. Is that your full-time job or are you? Again, I'm just in this gang. Again, I'm just in this gang. We hang out at night.
Speaker 3:I think they have a board. There's a top 10 or 15. That's their whole thing. I got you and I think the rest are soldiers. They do their own thing. They come help out at night.
Speaker 2:There's probably a schedule, right. So you got first, second and third shift. Like okay, these are the guys that have afternoon jobs or whatever, but that's when you maybe then we got a little time on the weekends they might come.
Speaker 3:You know, sure make some uh, burgers and fries conventions a couple other notes I wrote down um those baseball guys.
Speaker 1:They should have been football players. Like, wear the helmet, the pads, yeah, and you get in a fight, you're not gonna get messed up, yeah, like, why not wear equipment?
Speaker 3:would make sense.
Speaker 1:I didn't see one hockey stick yeah, you could have been a hockey player like wear that you know something to protect yourself. And this one scene I forget, if it was right before that it was in a subway somewhere, the one cop tackled the dude. I was like man, that's great form, it was like a great tack.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys caught that. Maybe he played football, he might've I don't know. Maybe they taught him that at the Academy they're running like all running up the street, down the subways, running everywhere, never out of breath.
Speaker 2:Doesn't seem like so that leads me to believe that maybe the gang life is more of a full-time job only because these guys are all broke. They're broke as a joke and one thing you're going to find if you're that broke, you're not going to be fat like because you can't afford to eat right again they're. These guys are moving and running and shaking all over up and down the streets all the time.
Speaker 1:I mean that's, that's exercise and never running like this was the motors on these guys. It was amazing again.
Speaker 3:Like there was no car, like I would have been like, hey, if we had a car we can get places a lot better, that's right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they had no money beat up to buy a car, that cadillac wagon, that was all that was dope, though that was uh the hearse that was that? Was that a hearse?
Speaker 3:that's a hearse, for sure, oh okay well, what the one gang towards the end?
Speaker 2:the rogues, the rogues yeah, not the riffs, but the rogues, the. The bad guy, what's that? Jag off the name. The bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.
Speaker 1:Oh dude luther, luther, yeah the guy with the bottles.
Speaker 2:He was in the rogues. They drove a hearse it was a 50-something.
Speaker 1:hearse Wow cool.
Speaker 2:All right Underground, in the labyrinth of subways, the warriors now faced the punks, a roller skating gang of ragtags with an aggressive demeanor. The confined quarters made the encounter especially intense, but the warriors' unity and relentlessness carried them through. Each confrontation peeled back more layers of the city's underworld, revealing the raw, violent landscape they navigated in their bid for survival. So this is just just again one gang after another, after another, after another after another, now that now they're. Now they've got a gang on roller skates. Yeah, you gotta watch out for them. That's awesome, that's just fantastic. Roller derby in the subway that was like the whole.
Speaker 3:I mean, that is the movie. Everybody had a shtick. No, it's a gang that has to get away from these other gangs trying to get them because they thought it's something bad, and then it goes towards. What we're getting to next is like you know it's dawn and you know the sun's coming up and what's gonna happen yeah, it's just well.
Speaker 2:I got a basically an overall interpretation this movie and I can't wait to give it because it's it's so simple I had to laugh too.
Speaker 1:Uh, the one scene where uh the leader of the warriors is with uh mercy and they're sitting on the train and just these couples come on and the guy guys are there, two guys and their girlfriends. But I was like, is this another gang? Because they were just kind of like the bgs did you see?
Speaker 1:those guys sounds like is this their gimmick, or? And they were just? No, they were just two couple, two couples on a date and they're looking over at, uh, the leader of the warriors and mercy and they're kind of like we better get out of here yeah, they saw along, saw us along the way. But it got me to thinking too about traveling on the subway, like even to this day. I'm sure you see some crazy-ass characters 100%.
Speaker 1:You know, I think I rode the subway up there when we were up there briefly like from you know, not for like a long period of time, but I always hear horror stories about that.
Speaker 2:You see, on the subway you can get bad and good.
Speaker 3:there's anything for anything good, you're gonna find something bad but like, yeah, anything in new york, though, just mind your business and you'll, you'll be fine yeah, I mean I I dug the the subways when I'm up there but I mean, look you're.
Speaker 2:You're up there with whomever.
Speaker 3:Maybe they don't like it and yeah keep your head down and just you were up in new york last christmas, but I think what the subways is, um in new york there's a lot of homeless people. It's very cold. Uh, the subway is cheap and you can pretty much stay on it all night if you want you know what I mean stay warm yeah, you can stay warm.
Speaker 2:You're out of the elements.
Speaker 3:The fuck off I think once you get to the end. But you just go back, go back to the turnstile you know, pay whatever, or find, because people have those um the passes everywhere. They're just laying all over the place scan through and then head all the way back the other way. I think as long as you're not sleeping or if you just look chill in a corner, they leave you alone Maybe.
Speaker 2:Now, that's not to be mistaken Anybody, anywhere, bad can make something bad happen. True, somebody can go to a school and open fire. Somebody can go to any place and blow something up. Somebody can go on a subway and just pull a knife. It's going to happen.
Speaker 1:The thing, too, with a subway, though, is you're so confined. Sure, and if something goes down, you're kind of screwed. You know what I mean Like if you're on a subway train with just a couple people and you got a few bad eggs in there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:That'd be scary. Get caught in like a dance battle, yeah, a dance off in the subway, like guys like approach you, you're like all like scared but then you start like popping and locking the guy. You start like like grabbing, like the like doing a backflip and they can only settle things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can only settle it. That world would be a better place.
Speaker 2:Yes, on this topic of subway. I remember, not remember fresh, you see the. You see the, the cars in this, I mean, they are riddled, riddled with graffiti, absolutely riddled with graffiti it's really bad graffiti too.
Speaker 3:It's not like the graffiti you see today right on the on the trains. They just like had you know some cast members just go and spray paint stuff right now.
Speaker 2:It was it was bad back in the day, like there was a huge campaign to clean all that shit off and new cars and all kinds of stuff. I mean it's pretty decent now in new york you're talking about yeah, oh yeah, all right by dawn, the battle-worn warriors finally arrived back at their home turf in coney island.
Speaker 2:The relief was short-lived, however, as they prepared for the final confrontation with luther and the rogues, who had also made their way to Coney Island. In a dramatic showdown on the beach, luther's true nature was revealed. His plan to cause chaos by falsely accusing the warriors was exposed. In a symbolic gesture, swan disarmed Luther using a simple yet significant weapon a discarded bottle diffusing the threat without bloodshed. With the arrival of the Gramercy Riffs, who had uncovered the truth about Cyrus's death, luther and the rogues were finally held accountable. Justice was rendered as the warriors were exonerated. The journey fraught with danger and betrayal showcase their resilience and the profound bonds of brotherhood forged in the crucible of new york's gangland.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a cool scene on the beach at the end, like the the showdown. Coney island, though, looks like uh, I wonder if that still looks the same to this day well see, that was a ghost, it was a ghost town yeah, well that they were there in the early morning.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it was popping off in 79 like well, no way, coney might still be good, because that's that's where they do that hot dog eating thing, right, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:So I'm wondering, like the rides and all that like, if it's pretty much unchanged or if it's updated I think they have them throw like the throwback still there, to make it like iconic yeah this whole movie reminds me of a video game well, they didn't. They didn't make it into a video game.
Speaker 3:Yes, they did, and they had, like they had uh, action figures and everything they did, they did.
Speaker 2:I'm merely saying just the concept now, of course as a child of the 80s and you know, coming up through the 90s, all playing video games and stuff. This is just simple video game 101, just like double dragon or something, correct you, you make your way to something, you fight a boss. Next one you can make your way through something, fight a boss. And every time it's just this different gang, gang by gang by gang. That's the boss, and so they just keep going and going and going until they get to the big boss.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or it's again at the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the big boss at the end. It's the same thing. Or it's mike tyson's punch out. It's the same goddamn thing.
Speaker 1:Right Makes sense.
Speaker 3:It reminded me of Michael Jackson video. I was ready for Mike to like pop in any time.
Speaker 1:Agreed. I can see that.
Speaker 2:Fun facts. Oh, about that time. It's about that time so what do you guys got?
Speaker 3:I was saying earlier about the. There was a merchandising bonanza over this thing. They had video games, they had action figures. There was merchandising I don't know.
Speaker 2:There was a video game that came out christ 25 years later, in 2005 oh wow, that was that late yeah, so 25 years later, in 2005, the video game uh the warriors was done by rockstar games. Rockstar is the one that does grand theft auto the came out in 05 and it's. It's actually like a.
Speaker 1:Most of the game is a prequel, like a lead up to the night of the meeting yeah, and then the the basically like the last quarter of the game is the meeting through the end so we always like to talk about kuda wudas and all that, yeah, so, um, they said that, uh, tony danza was considered for the role of vermin, and robert de niro and sylvester stallone were considered during early development stages of this movie, so that would have been interesting I could see stallone doing it.
Speaker 3:De niro is probably hell. No, I did see the tony danza thing yeah, I did see that.
Speaker 1:Hey, oh, andala. Yeah, real gang members were hired as extras to add authenticity as well I did read that, yeah what do you got matt?
Speaker 3:uh, I don't know, it's a, it's a cult it for, however reason, it became like a very big cult gathering, a cult, uh cult classic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like it wasn't, I don't think initially like a very big success we talked about earlier was the uh, the violence that went down in some of the showings and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:For sure, like there were. Yeah, that was absolutely that there was. You know, life imitates, art imitates life. There were gang members who would go to this see this movie, like oh, let's see how we're depicted. And then gang warfare would ensue as a result, like they get all hopped up or excited seeing what's going on fired up and then you want to go yeah, do some crimes and stuff like that marcelino sanchez, that's the guy who played rambrant, the puerto rican guy with the, you know, the tight afro curly hair, right, uh, so he died of the aids in 1986, at 26 years old.
Speaker 2:Now I'm curious, curious as to whether he might have had the aids when it was still called the grid. Oh, early on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because was he the same guy that didn't fall for the lizzie's correct sexual advances, correct? Was he like oh, hells no hells.
Speaker 2:No, let's get out of here. I'm not into chicks. So yeah, it was. It wasn't until 82 when the term grid was changed to aids, when that was when, uh, when drug users starting getting you know, aids, they couldn't call it grid anymore.
Speaker 1:Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, the, the iconic line in this warriors come out and play. Uh, that was improvised by David Patrick Kelly, the actor who said it, so yeah it wasn't written or anything.
Speaker 2:Even the Coke bottles Did he that was pretty neat that that's part of the movie I remembered. I think that whole scene there was and the line was all improvised by him. I read that the in fact I'd read that he'd come out and play.
Speaker 1:That was something that his neighbors used to use to taunt him when he was a kid oh like hey, david, come out and play, because he was like funny looking, I could see that dude getting like teased and say he seemed like a little off, like something was up with him. But uh, yeah, that that. Uh. Actually, when I heard that clanging of the bottles I thought it was the start of a song right I was like oh, what song is this gonna be?
Speaker 3:I think wu-tang has one like, or?
Speaker 1:yeah, I know where wu-tang I think has something with it come out and play and then it starts into the beat it's the wu-tang song that has a similar like clanging sounds or you know, I don't know if it's bottles or whatever, but um yeah I got a fun fact tie into my last fun fact.
Speaker 2:Okay, go for it. So, speaking of aids in the grid, in this movie there was supposed to have been a homosexual gang known as the dingoes. Oh really, I swear to god. Uh, it obviously did not make its way into the movie your baby got ate by a dingo well, they would have probably won the whole thing.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't get distracted, yeah, but like these guys were, like every time they sent a woman in, it seemed like at least two, three parts of this movie where they're thrown off track.
Speaker 2:I would argue. Conversely, they would have been thrown off track with all of the male members of all of the other gangs.
Speaker 1:True With the open up shit. Yeah, these guys are pretty cut up. Yeah, they would have been like, yeah, true, but uh, yeah, I didn't think about that one either.
Speaker 2:I guess they would be real distracted. Those hot guys in the park, sweaty men, yeah, two snaps two snaps up.
Speaker 1:So michael beck, who played swan, broke three ribs during one of the subway scenes yeah, I broke a broke a rib. They said a lot of these actors actually did a lot of the stunts and stuff Not only him but other ones that got banged up doing this movie.
Speaker 3:Right, I heard they did costumes on a budget for this movie. You don't say yes?
Speaker 1:Well, that's why I was wondering who came up with these different gimmicks. You know what I'm saying Like if, like, if I really sat down and thought about it, I'm sure I can come up with some basic ones, absolutely.
Speaker 3:When they asked like the gangs to come. I'm sure they looked at, when you know, for the extras, some of the stuff they were wearing. They're like, oh, this is kind of cool with like a do-rag and like a vest or sleeveless shirt and like baggy pants, like that'd be a cool look, or that'd be a cool look.
Speaker 1:So, like we said, this was shot entirely in new york city. The filming involved hazardous areas and subway areas, you know, predominantly shot at night did we find out how long it took for the filming it was like three, four months something like that in the beginning, but they actually had some run-ins with some real life gang sure because they're in different turfs and areas, and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So that was, uh, something that they encountered, so so, dave, since you pulled this one off of our fan site, as this is a fan, favorite.
Speaker 3:This was a fan boy favorite.
Speaker 2:Why don't you start us off with our let's see? Burn it, return it, or late fee return or burn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, late fee return or burn. So shout out to Brian again. Brooklyn Brian, bringing this to my attention.
Speaker 3:Is Brooklyn Brian from Brooklyn? He is. Is he a New York guy? He is.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm thinking, but no, there's another guy as well that was in the vicinity when we were talking about this, raj Now. He grew up in Hershey.
Speaker 1:What's up Raj. Yeah, shout out to Metric Raj. Raj is about the same age. These guys are both in their early 50s, so a couple years older than us, and it's a sweet spot for them in this movie they talk about. This movie was played on back when they would and we went through that too. They'd play movies over and over and over again and you'll hear like three or four channels. This is a movie that would play all the time and it really I guess, like you said, that cult following, they love this movie. For me, I enjoyed it. There was a lot of cool things in his movie that oh, this is what that's from. Can you dig it? And all that. I've heard that and I don't know we talked about maybe it was the rock which we didn't reference.
Speaker 1:That guy looked like a skinny rock Cyrus. But Matt came up with the same thing and I think, Zabby, you were probably thinking the same thing as well.
Speaker 2:There was definitely some rap group out there that sampled Can you Dig it? That lifted it from this movie and sampled it into one of their tracks.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I just can't put my finger on who did it.
Speaker 1:So those parts like that stuff I kind of liked and it made me enjoy the movie. I definitely liked the cut scenes and the way they tied in the comic book, look. I thought it was very well put together for the time. I've seen some movies in the 70s that's like really hard to watch. This reminded me of a movie that I really enjoyed. It came out around the same time. It was not Night of the Living Dead, was it Day of the Dead? Day of the Living Dead, I forget. It was the one where they got stuck in the mall out in Pittsburgh. The newer one with Ving Rhames, no, but this one came out like in 78, 79, around the same time, and it had a very similar vibe, the way it was filmed and you know, but it was dealing with zombies, yep. So I kind of this kind of reminded me of that. I think it might've been Dawn of the Dead, that's what it was.
Speaker 3:It was Dawn of the Dead. Was that the newer one?
Speaker 1:No, no, matt, probably the same for me you know I don't have that nostalgic uh attachment to it, but I'm glad I watched it but yeah so for me return I'm right with you.
Speaker 2:I would. Uh, I don't have the nostalgic attachment. Uh, I had tried to watch this movie. Over the course of years I tried to watch it, couldn't get through it, but finally now getting through it, I would return it, probably as quickly as I could. I wouldn't burn it, but I would definitely return it swiftly.
Speaker 1:Try to get a refund, maybe not necessarily the refund.
Speaker 2:It just look I was. We were all just a few. This was a few years before our time and we just didn't have that nostalgic tie to it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Um, just didn't have have it, but worth a watch for sure right glad I did it, I'm glad we did this. I just don't know the next time I'll be watching this movie again right.
Speaker 3:Well, one thing that hurt was I was trying to watch this in like a 20 part series on youtube so it wasn't, but it wasn't the easiest watch, uh, going in like five, seven, ten minute parts.
Speaker 3:Um, I didn't. Like I said, I didn't see the nostalgic part of it. It there was a lot of. I think movies got a little bit more cool as we were getting older. But for a kid, you know, in 50s, early, late 50s I being that old now I could see them really liking this movie because it was something that they were like oh how, how cool.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:But, um, I would, I would return it. Uh, I mean, it was cool that I got to watch a cult movie. I dig it, but can you dig it?
Speaker 1:And one thing that at the very end yeah right, can you dig it? And one thing at the very end that I was like oh shit, I thought it was the eagles.
Speaker 3:oh yeah, we're gonna talk about the, so in the songs in the soundtrack in the city.
Speaker 1:I've always liked that song and it starts playing at the very end and I'm like, oh shit, that's from this movie it was made for that movie, made it for the movie and it was joe walsh. And now you guys said that later on the eagles performed it I did not.
Speaker 2:Matt said that I know it was a joe walsh song see, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I knew I always thought it was just an Eagles song that was on an album. I didn't know it was from this movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Joe Walsh performed it first, and the Eagles had it on their long one of their albums that came out right after that.
Speaker 2:Look at that. If you don't know now, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:But I always liked that song. I like the Eagles, I like a bunch of their tracks and that song in particular, and it's from this movie. So it was something I learned. So there were a couple of things I learned from this movie that maybe made me like it a little more, like the taglines and like with the soundtrack.
Speaker 3:So yeah, they said Redman and Ice Cube also had a song. Can you Dig it? It was actually from a whole Ice Cube album.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe they took it from that.
Speaker 3:That's where they took it from the Warriors.
Speaker 1:yes, yeah, at any. Yeah, at any rate, please continue to add to those, uh, the list of movies, because we want to try to pick from that and find ones that our listeners enjoy, um, so that we can review, you know, and have you engage. I know, like when we do movies, obviously if somebody picked the movie, they're going to want to listen to hear what we have to say about it. So, uh, the more listeners that leave movies on there and you guys go on there and vote, we'll put out content that you guys want to hear. Obviously, you want to hear us talk about the movie. It's not necessarily a movie that I would have seeked out, like Zab said, but uh, you know, it was cool to watch.
Speaker 3:It was a cult movie and I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Speaker 3:Nope.
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