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How did the Atari 2600 shape your childhood? Join us on a heartfelt journey through the golden age of gaming, where we share our earliest encounters with classic systems like the Atari 2600, ColecoVision, and Intellivision. Relive the excitement of discovering timeless games such as Pac-Man, Pitfall, and Yars' Revenge. We'll transport you back to the days of vibrant arcades, dedicated players, and the unforgettable impact these experiences had on us. Plus, get ready for future episodes featuring special guests who share our passion for vintage gaming.
Wonder how the Commodore 64 fostered friendships and digital adventures in its heyday? We recount the unique challenges and joys of early home computing, from navigating bulletin board systems to swapping game disks with friends. Hear our special guest Sheiby reminisce about the camaraderie and early digital escapades that defined our formative years. This segment captures the essence of early home computing, highlighting the cultural shift from simple consoles to more advanced systems, and how these experiences left a lasting influence on our lives.
Ever wonder how gaming evolved from the Magnavox Odyssey to the NES and beyond? We trace the evolution of console gaming, touching on significant milestones like the video game crash of 1983 and the iconic rise of the NES. Reminisce with us about classic Sega Genesis titles and the mid-90s boom of PC gaming, including fascinating stories like the development of the Power Glove. As we wrap up, we reflect on how these beloved games and systems defined a generation, and invite you to stay connected with us on social media under the handle Ol' Dirty Basement to keep the nostalgia alive.
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Speaker 2:Hello, I don't know what to say on. This is a whole, I guess, retro game. This guy said it all retro gaming video review. Awesome sauce in the old, dirty basement yeah, vintage gaming review yeah, it's.
Speaker 4:I don't know. The more I think about this, I think this is just going to be a trip down memory lane for everybody, like I'm not going to go, I'm not going to say particular video games and walk in yeah it, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:What are we reviewing? Are we actually reviewing certain games like Contra or are we going to Pong.
Speaker 3:This is just more of a concept of we talk a lot about video games. Obviously, in the age range we are, video games were a huge part of growing up. I have a lot of people that reach out when we talk about a game or a specific system like oh, remember this, remember that. I just thought it'd be a fun little side episode to try to, you know, talk about more in-depth systems and games, and who knows what it'll turn into.
Speaker 4:Who knows? You don't even know, we don't even know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going down a path less traveled right now.
Speaker 3:Right, so we're going to have a guest caller in uh later on shiby. He's a fan of the show and, uh, you know, him and zap have a lot in common with the commodore which we'll get into. But uh, so I guess, like zap kind of mentioned, maybe we'll start off with, like, what was your first system that you remember either being introduced to or using? Yeah, I guess I'll start it off. For me it was the atari 2600, for sure and uh, you know I was really young at the time.
Speaker 3:I have an older brother and, uh, that was my first introduction to video games. Yep, and obviously that came with. Like you know, I was a combat kid shipped with, so, uh, that was like my first intro to gaming. How, how about you guys?
Speaker 2:I know Zap probably he's pretty good with all this. My first introduction to the whole computer scene. The gaming thing was at the colonel's house and I must have been shoot like nine 10. And he had this game that we talked about. It was only set with Martin Short. He had there was this movie and you were like injected with this guy who had to get to like your heart or whatever to stop like these infections from like getting you. But it was a whole game and zap said it was on the atari 2600.
Speaker 4:I thought it was on the computer so there was a game for the 2600. It was called fantastic voyage yes yes, and the game. That that game was exactly what you're explaining, where it's just a small, a microscopic little dude that goes through. And this was a, I think, a movie way back in the day, if not a book, like old, old interspace, interstellar, interspace, interspace.
Speaker 3:That was the one with, uh, dennis quaid. I was wrong on that. Yeah, yeah, oh dennis quaid.
Speaker 4:Yes, so this goes. This again just is the the concept of these little people floating through the body and you're shooting little viruses and little shit as you're floating in a little ship. So my first system, like you, dave, was the 2,600. Uh, however, friends of mine at the time had either a Coleco vision or an Intellivision, so those, I'm pretty sure, like all three of those, came out right around the same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:They were pretty damn close to one another. Um, yeah, and yeah, they were pretty damn close to one another. Um, yeah, and so on. The atari, I mean christ, I know. I just want to jot down some games that I know that I played the shit out of. Like I played, obviously, like anyone. You're gonna swap and play a bunch of them, like you know, your popeyes, your dig dugs, your donkey kongs, you name it but I mean games that I played for hours and hours and days and days on end, included Pac-Man, pitfall, pitfall 2, moon Patrol, yars Revenge, kool-aid man, mega Mania and Piso Cake.
Speaker 2:I just remember Pitfall really really well.
Speaker 3:The one that I really loved. So with the Atari you'd have your regular joystick and then you'd have the dial-style joystick the paddles Like the paddles and it would'd have the dial-style joystick the paddles Like the paddles and it would spin, and there was a game called Kaboom. Yeah, for sure. And you'd drop bombs and you had to go back and forth. I remember playing that. And then there was a game, I think it was called Drag Strip. It was like a racing game that I have early memories of.
Speaker 4:Obviously, pac-man was on the atari 2600, but I still played the shit out of that game but see that that's what I think of gaming.
Speaker 2:That really got me like turned on to gaming or into. It was being a young kid and going to the mall, the harrisburg east mall, which was around with my pap and they had a small little arcade in there and I just remember like it was weird because, like you think of you see some of the movies like I remember, like like dudes in jean shorts, it looked like old guys like sitting in there, like playing like pinball machines, very serious about it, or you would see people lined up to play pac-man with galaga, like games like that, and I. That's what I really remember from from growing up until I got my first system. But I don't think it was as exciting because you're talking like a tv like we have sitting there yeah, a little tube yeah little tube televisions and it.
Speaker 2:I had a very small tv and it was very hard to play games on that because I couldn't half the time it would go out because I didn't have the connection right in the back oh yeah because I think it was my grandfather's old television, so I didn't have like very good experiences at first with home gaming. I just like going to the uh, the actual, you know, going to the mall to play games you had the little rf module or whatever yeah, we could switch it it's like two wires and then it goes on and it plugs into the coax.
Speaker 3:Jack, if you had a coax.
Speaker 4:But at the time it was the coaxial or whatever those, those two hooks that would, I think, connect to your vhs, not vhf, vhf on the back to the back with two, two screws yep right and you switch it from game to whatever game to tv, I mean so I only grew up with one, early, early, I only had there was only one television in the house, so you oh, so you had a nicer tv.
Speaker 4:Well, there was one television. So I had to beg, borrow and plead with my parents, like could you please let me play these video games please while you, instead of watching your shows tonight or doing whatever, could you just either sit here and watch me or let me do this or, you know, go do something else? It was a challenge. I had to go to friends of mine's houses to play games to that point, zap, talking about parents at the time.
Speaker 3:So I remember with the, with the atari, like my parents had no interest at all. Now we'll get into this as we go along, I'm sure, but it wasn't until the nintendo that my dad, for instance, showed any interest in gaming like but my parents would be in and out of the room and not even like they would take a glance at it.
Speaker 3:But it was never like, oh, let me try or anything like that. Sure, like it wasn't until the nintendo and duck hunt in particular. But we'll get to that. But yeah, it was definitely like we had, uh, the one tv in the living room. I had an older brother and you know if there was, uh, if dallas was coming on or whatever you know a tv show and my parents needed a tv, were kicked off so I think our generation is like that also.
Speaker 2:Are any of you guys into Minecraft or any of those kind of games that kids are playing today?
Speaker 3:I mean Call of Duty. I still play.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And my son will play that together. But those games like that, like Minecraft and all that he's into them. And what was the other one? Fortnite?
Speaker 2:Fortnite yeah, People are buying skins.
Speaker 3:I've tried it, but it's a little bit too much for me. Don't get me wrong. Call of Duty is a little more in-depth than the games we played growing up.
Speaker 4:Sure, but I enjoy it Ever since they started, at least for me. I'm talking about the massive multiplayer online games. I want nothing at all to do with them, nothing at all, I just play the campaign mode if there's anything nowadays, but yeah, it to do with them like nothing at all. I just play the campaign mode if there's anything nowadays, but yeah, I, I don't. It's weird to be playing with strangers because I know they're 12 year olds and 11 year olds and they're going to kick my ass oh yeah, but being being from the 80s to being now to 2024.
Speaker 2:I think all people that have played video games are agreed. When you are sitting there like sometimes up until three, four in the morning, trying to get past like a certain sure yeah, that was some. That's something that I really look back to as a kid, where you're like shit, I'm beating this tonight, I got this tonight. You go get like snacks, you're in your room closing the door, you're like I got this and just playing for hours and hours on end. Then you finally get past a certain point, like I'm gonna play a little bit longer. That's one thing that really brings me back to video gaming. That's something that I liked about it.
Speaker 3:I don't remember on the Atari like the concept of trying to conquer a game. It wasn't until Nintendo that I remember leaving my Nintendo on, or you know things like that. Sure, I was obviously a little bit older as well when Nintendo came out, but the Atari was more just pick up and play for an hour and you know there was, to my knowledge, there was one game for the atari that you that was played like that, that to truly conquer it, and that was adventure, adventure yeah, and I referenced earlier combat was the one that would ship with it, correct?
Speaker 3:yep, yeah, because I always get those two confused adventure had like the key and uh, there was like a key yeah, you're just this little block moving around and going through labyrinths of castles and forests and whatever that not to be confused with. Zelda, which will come later, which will, I'm sure, so yeah.
Speaker 4:So 2600 was in vogue for the longest time, and as time went on, I mean, you know, new technology is just going to become available, so I guess the next in line just going to become available. So I guess the next in line, which is what? What is it everybody? What is it what everybody would have gotten? Not everybody, but obviously the vast majority would have been the nes yeah now I got.
Speaker 3:I was late to the game on nes oh, yeah, see, I was too, I mean I wouldn't say late to the game, but a friend of mine had it another friend, matt, growing up, and I remember going to his house playing kung fu.
Speaker 3:Oh, the game was great yeah, and I was like man, this is like the greatest thing ever look at the graphics and it was within like maybe a year or six months that I ended up getting it for christmas or whatever so friend of friends of mine, that with whom I grew up, they had gotten, instead of an nes long before they had gotten, a Commodore 64 computer.
Speaker 4:And the Commodore 64 was an incredible, incredible piece of technology for kids, to the extent that I mean, they had a shit ton of software. But at one point 60, 70% of that software was games and I had to sell this to my parents so they didn't have NESs. But there came this one Christmas where the choice was either an NES or a Commodore and I was pushing and pushing and pushing for a Commodore just because one guy across the street had one and then another guy up the street and up a hill had one and.
Speaker 4:I just wanted these things so badly, so my sell to them for that Commodore was look, I understand that the keyboard costs this and the disk drive costs this and the monitor costs this, but this is that, like 10. You'll save money because the games are free oh they were.
Speaker 4:Games are free well, because the all of the virtually all of the games that would have ever come out for Commodore ended up getting. They were cracked or hacked. Like you would be able to copy these games. These games were purchased on floppy disks, right, so there was copyright protection on there that prevented one from copying and giving it away. However, with the right hacker or cracker, these games were considered cracked.
Speaker 1:However, with the right hacker or cracker, damn so Crack Toast Coaster, well no.
Speaker 4:Cracker yeah, these games were considered cracked, and so once they were able to get past that copyright, then you could copy it and pass it along to the masses.
Speaker 4:And so this was like herpes as soon as you touch someone, they got it, they wouldn't have it, but then they get it, and then somebody else gets it, and someone, then they get it, and then somebody else gets it, then somebody else gets it. Wrap that shit up. You just keep everyone just kept swapping games and discs with one another, like forever, like you know shy, for example, like I would just I remember going to school with him and just seeing him one day and we were talking about like all right, man, well, I'll bring in some discs for you and you bring in some discs for me, and then we'll swap them, and then you would copy them onto blank discs like memorex, like specifically made like burning cds kind of just like burning cds, except it's on a five and a half inch I'm sorry, five and a quarter inch floppy disk for those listening.
Speaker 2:Memorex was actually a huge um where you would have a tape oh yeah, is it.
Speaker 3:Is it live?
Speaker 2:yes, remember the guy sitting in the couch. That was huge. That was a cool picture I.
Speaker 3:I had friends that had Commodores, but majority of well, I shouldn't say a majority the two that stand out in my memory their parents worked in that field, so they had home computers and I remember as a young kid I'd go over to a friend's house and turn on a Nintendo and start right up. If I'd never done it before, right but for up. If I'd never done it before, right but for the, the computer gaming consoles. Now, I don't know if there was another one other than a commodore, maybe that the one kid had, but they had to walk me through, like, how to get to the game it's not something that you could just go in.
Speaker 4:You had to load the game into the system memory of the computer and then play the game after it had loaded right it wasn't direct connect with a, with a cartridge that's feeding right off of that, speaking of sh Shiby, we should probably give him a call here.
Speaker 3:Why don't we give him?
Speaker 4:a call. Get him on the phone in there.
Speaker 3:Hey Shiby, what's up?
Speaker 5:How you doing.
Speaker 3:All right, brother, so we're just getting into talking about our first experiences with gaming consoles.
Speaker 2:Good morning. Good morning, Mr Shiby.
Speaker 5:Hey, good morning Matt.
Speaker 2:How are you? Pretty good. How are you doing? All right? Sounds like you're on a yacht or something, are you?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I wish I was on a yacht. I'm sitting on a beach in Avalon.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's just as close. Yeah, you're right there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know, down here is a lot of people waiting to get in their houses.
Speaker 4:Nice. So Shy B being, we were talking back and forth and I was explaining to these guys that we're going to. We're going through our progression of time through varying video game systems and we had hit the crossroads, we've gotten through. Atari 2600, nes had come out, and then I quickly diverted and said well, I was late to the game with the nes because I had gotten into the commodore first. So I guess my bringing you into this, I mean I know I remember from grade school you and I were swapping discs, doing all kinds of stuff and I was trying to Ah yeah, that's the old Stroker 64 from the old Catholic school in 7th and 8th grade.
Speaker 4:Whoa some Stroker. That was one of many, oh yeah. One of many countless games.
Speaker 5:It was on a floppy disk back then, but you know, seventh grade, eighth grade in Catholic school, there wasn't much floppy about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think Sister Susan had a copy of that from my school.
Speaker 4:So, shiby, how did you? How were you exposed to the Commodore 64? Like, how did you get one? What prompted you to get one? Was it a parent's thing? Did your friends?
Speaker 5:So from the same mentioned school that I met John at that. Sorry, but I had a friend there. We had a mutual friend and he was big time into Commodore 64. And we actually had a bulletin board system or a BBS system back then which was kind of like the Internet before the Internet. He had a whole setup at his house that you could call in and there was like you could chat with each other over the computer, you could play some games. Funny, mind you, the games back then were kind of like all word games, uh, and that that kind of got me into it. And then I saw some of the cool games that he was playing at the time, uh, for a computer when you say back then what?
Speaker 2:what year are you talking about? Is this? This like late 80s, mid 80s, okay.
Speaker 5:Yeah, probably mid 80s, like you know, between 85, 86, somewhere around there.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 5:And then, you know, I went home and, just like any, you know, well, my dad was a steel worker and he was just like, whatever you're doing, you're not going to work at the mill. And then when I brought up, my buddy had a computer. He's like, let's do it. You know, let's get you a computer because we want to get you something that's going to, you know, get you new computers that were up and coming. Um, so we went out and got one and uh, you know the gaming. You know I told him I was going to do programming stuff, but secretly I was trying to get the game, because the games were cool. And uh, that's what we got into back then. It was like it was so advanced compared to, like, the consoles that were out there. You could do much more things. Graphics were better, you know, it was just more dynamic?
Speaker 4:Yeah, for sure, I mean. It was amazing. I was telling these guys I was able to I don't want to say swindle, but convince my parents. Instead of, whenever that Christmas of 86 came around, instead of getting an NES for which you would have to pay more you know, pay by game I said, Well, look, if we, the Commodore, costs more between the keyboard, the disk drive, the monitor, whatever, but all of the games are free. Because at the time I had friends of mine who were doing the same thing. We were all just swapping games back and forth and back and copying them, and copying them.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was a lot of pirating going on, right. That was the funny part. You know you had your Memorex five and a quarter floppies and then they sold a little punch thing that you could punch into them and then you know, basically burn them, yeah, Like you do with CD. You know you could do games back then. But yeah, I was reading something about that. I guess you know the systems were going the disk drive, the keyboard and stuff were going for like five or six hundred back then, which is equivalent to like two grand a day or eighteen hundred or something like that yeah and yeah and, and you know what one of the things is.
Speaker 5:You know, some of my buddies were advanced like programmers and stuff like that back then and they had apple, and that's when apples were like real big, but it wasn't. Apples were really lacking compared to the Commodore 64.
Speaker 4:They were.
Speaker 5:I think they only had like 48K of RAM or something, so they couldn't see far.
Speaker 2:So would this have been the early 90s with the Apple? No the 80s. Yeah, the 80s In the late 80s, okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the Apple ran at the same time. It was just a competitor, not unlike an ibm, but that was truly more for the, the programming and the computing. Now, while there certainly were games available for the apples and the ibm compatibles, the commodore had them way beat to market so the commodore was the gaming one, that was for the kids gaming.
Speaker 2:then the apple came and that was more for business type, maybe. I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, basic programming, like it came with a thick book that you could do some basic programming type in some code, uh, but you know the, the, the real uh workhorse. There was the gaming capability because of the Ram Um, you know you were able to do a lot of cool games with it.
Speaker 4:Now there was a Windows operating environment for the Commodore. It was called Geos. I'm just looking at Mike to see if he remembers that. So I remember getting Geos as well as part of this when I got in the Commodore and it wasn't necessary for me because it had things like spreadsheets and word processing and calculators and all of that shit. No, I was just in it for the game.
Speaker 3:For the game. Yeah, now, shavi, was that your first gaming platform, or did you have an Atari or Intellivision or anything before that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, so I had an older brother. I have an older brother. He's like seven years older than I am, so he was into like the Atari 2600 and the Intellivision, which was huge in my family between my cousin and my brother, and then I got into it so that was like the real big thing. Now, me being younger than the SNES, came out the 8-bit and I was into that. But even today, going back at my age now, I'm like I always look for the retro controls and the one I play the most is the Intellivision.
Speaker 2:What was their. Big is the Intellivision, oh really.
Speaker 5:Yeah, what was their big?
Speaker 2:games, intellivision, like what did they have? That was out there.
Speaker 5:Oh, dude, they had like hockey. You know, they had this hockey game. That was very basic but it was hilarious. I mean, you'd check a guy and they'd do a flip on the ice Like they'd literally flip over. Sometimes you did call for a penalty and sometimes you wouldn't. I played my brother and he checked me like 20 times and not get a penalty. I started screaming and yelling and stuff, kind of basic stuff. But he also had some Dungeons and Dragons games.
Speaker 5:Those were big. The role-playing games were big at that time too, but they actually had a video game for it. One was like the Treasures of Tarman, which ended up being way ahead of its time. It's like how did they get this into this little cartridge, kind of thing. I still play that on the retro console.
Speaker 4:That's awesome.
Speaker 5:Yeah, one of the things that always upset me was you could not get a Commodore 64 retro console these days. I think they had one and it had like 30 crappy games on it but then meeting up with Zappy. I mean meeting up with Zappy. The other day at your place, dave, you know he showed me the one console that does all kinds of stuff, like you know, c64 games, all kinds of computer games, console games. So I had that earmarked for one of my drunk purchases. There, you go when I'm down in my basement.
Speaker 2:Amazon late at night.
Speaker 4:At my door. I've since found a better one and it's actually one that I had purchased a couple of years ago. So the one that I had sent to you includes a lot of console games that have since evolved with discs so you would be able to play that. That console would include, I should say that, that retro gaming thing that has like a hundred and some thousand games on it. That's going to include your Xbox plate, ps two, your, uh, any again anything that would have come with discs. Uh, the, the, what's, the Nintendo, one, the, the game cube, and thereafter I found one that's that's smaller. That basically stops right when the disc systems come out. So it has 30, some thousand games, but it's every. It's every game on every console that had ever been invented up until the disc system. So I'll send that one to you. That's much cheaper. I think it's like 100, 150 bucks. Oh, that'd be perfect. Yeah, yeah, I'll send that to you. You, that's much cheaper, I think it's like 100 150 bucks.
Speaker 5:Oh, that'd be perfect. Yeah, yeah, I'll send that to you for sure.
Speaker 4:So well, before we let you go. I know you're tied up at the, I know you're tied up at the beach, but I know that you're my only fellow commodore fan here, because we haven't even gotten into nes yet and we'll. We'll get to that later. The commodore top of your head, give me, give me x number of your favorite games, and by favorite I mean these are the games that you would have played the shit out of. Like. What did you play the most on the commodore?
Speaker 5:oh, uh, probably fourth and inches, the football game. Yep, uh, accolade. And then there was, yeah, accolade. They had like all kind of names on there for the players, like tanks a lot and stuff like that. Uh, there was hardball.
Speaker 5:I think that was accolade too sure was maybe not sure was but, uh, you know, it had like all kind of other names on there too, like the one guy's name was craven moorhead. Oh yeah, you know, uh. And then, uh, you know, like some of the ranger games, like airborne ranger, uh, you know they had the barge tail, yep, I don't know if you remember that one, john I have a list of all the games that I remember playing the shit out of.
Speaker 4:Yep, I don't know if you remember that one, john, that's one. I have a list of all the games that I remember playing the shit out of. Now, this isn't even me going to look up lists of games. I didn't even bother with that because it would just go on and on.
Speaker 5:But yeah, like mansion, so here they go.
Speaker 4:Yep, airborne ranger, you said that made my list. Barge tale made my list. Uh, maniac mansion is second to the top.
Speaker 5:Like I played the crap out of Maniac Mansion, yeah, it was funny because I did google the top games for Commodore 64 just to see what Google would say, and the first one was like Bubble Bobble and I was like, yeah, that one was fun, but man, it wasn't like Strip Poker or Stroker 64. We were at the bottom of the barrel for that one.
Speaker 5:I can't imagine why it's kind of funny, but I'll put that. You know we're at the bottom of the barrel for that one. I can't imagine why. Yeah, no, but it's kind of funny. But I put that cod pull on my drunk buying budget, Nice, I think. Yeah, the last time I did that I was down in the basement. I take a lot of time off at the end of the year and a couple of days later something showed up at my front door and here was a Vietnam helmet, you know army helmet. Apparently I ordered it while I was down here drinking and I took it over and showed my dad and his buddies that were drafted and they're like oh, the old piss pot, you know kind of thing. You're all putting it on. That's awesome. I think I'll tag this nice fourth and inches.
Speaker 3:When you said that, that unlocked a memory for me. That's one of the football games I remember playing at that friend's house yeah that was on the commodore yeah, yeah and the graphics, like you said were, were much better than what I was seeing like on the nintendo at the time for sure like that for sure it is funny because my uncle that lived next to us, just like any place in skeelton, your family, like all lived on one block, right?
Speaker 5:uh, we live right next to my uncle and my grandmother and he was you know, he's years older than me, he's a pro got into programming with the company I work for now and he got one of the newer ibms, like late in the game, uh, I know, come kind of like late 80s, 90s and uh, he had the game laser suit larry and I don't know if that you guys know that one I've never heard of that.
Speaker 4:I definitely know that one.
Speaker 5:And then when I got a hold of that one I was like, oh man, the Commodore's dead. I was like you know, commodore never kept up. But you know, then they kind of fell off after that, because then that's when the gaming systems took off and that was the end of that. Yeah, but fond memories, man Commodore and meeting Zapp back in grade school, that little Catholic school in Skilton, yeah man.
Speaker 4:I mean I was telling these guys I remember just walking in and you and I were just swapping boxes of discs over and over again. I mean that's just how it worked back then.
Speaker 5:Yeah, dude, like 50 games. And we'd just take them home and burn them and hand them right back.
Speaker 3:It was like insane. Yeah, it was incredible, absolutely incredible. See, if I would have known about all that, I probably would have went that route if I would have known. Yeah, I do that. I had.
Speaker 2:I had no idea, like my parents weren't very advanced, no, mine weren't at easy. So, um yeah, my dad, I ended up working where he worked, so he didn't really push me like you right, right but that's what you're working.
Speaker 1:I'm working, buddy yeah, you ain't getting out of here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that happened to my brother and I. Uh, you know, growing up in steelton, my dad was our only income in steel mill and that's when it was declining. And he's like you know, whatever you do, you're not working where I work, you're going to go to college, you're going to do because it was all no, families right Generation after generation yes, still in Georgia Wanted me to stay close to home.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I, I I tell my wife and my son, my son you know, dave's son and my son are buddies and they're getting into colleges and stuff and I said, you know, I was 17 years old, my dad was just like I don't know what you're doing, you're just going to college, figure it out. So I was like 17 years old and showing up at like for SARS office and administration office, and they're like where's your parents? I'm like they're at home, my dad's working. So it's a that we were just not going to go into the mill.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a yeah, my my, my pap, all my my uh uncles, yeah, they all, they all, they all worked at the mill.
Speaker 5:So it was a good job, man, when it when it when it was jumping Stilton was.
Speaker 2:That was big business man.
Speaker 5:You're. You're exactly right. I mean you look cranking, and that's where my grandfather was and my dad and my uncles and stuff, except for my one uncle that I mentioned again, he got into college. But uh, yeah, I mean we tried to break the cycle and my dad was just like you're gonna figure it out. You just, you know, kick me out like go do it yeah, no, no computers in our household.
Speaker 2:I just, yeah, stayed in the system. But yeah, shabby, that was awesome man.
Speaker 3:I appreciate it. Zap, you got it shabby thanks.
Speaker 4:So much, man. I mean I'd love to go through a list of games here, but we're already pumping on time here. So, uh, dude thanks again man I will, uh, I'll talk to you soon and I'll send that link to you for that, for that thing I appreciate it.
Speaker 5:I appreciate, uh, being on the on the call too with you guys. I really like your show.
Speaker 2:Awesome man, Thank you.
Speaker 3:We want to definitely, like I was telling you yesterday, we'll hopefully maybe do another one of these and hopefully you won't be on vacation. You can come down here and chill with us.
Speaker 5:It'd be a good one Awesome man. Always on vacation.
Speaker 3:See, that's when you work on computers. Man, you got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got time like that.
Speaker 3:That's right, hey, man, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5:Thanks, gentlemen you have a good day.
Speaker 4:Yeah, later later so I don't want to dwell too much longer on the commodore 64, but I do want to just run through a quick list of names so for anybody listening, that dug on the commodore here, it was my just. These are games that I played the living shit out of, and I mean forever. Just would not stop. Number one, for damn sure, was Wasteland, maniac, mansion, summer Games, winter Games, california Games, world Games, jeep Command, defender of the Crown, ghostbusters, aztec Challenge, realm of Impossibility, russian Attack, also known as Green Beret, three Stooges, ultima, mail Order, monsters, pirates, bard's Tale, bruce Lee, way of the Exploding Fist, airborne, ranger, test Drive, spy vs Spy and Karataka.
Speaker 3:Wow, a lot of those I do know from Nintendo. They must have been cross-platform or ones that Spy vs Spy was Nintendo, wasn't it? That and Russian Attack obviously. So, I wonder if they were, were they Commodore games first, or how would that work for the Commodore? Would they hit console first or vice versa? It?
Speaker 4:was they would port these games. A manufacturer or whomever came out with a game, they would make it come out as quickly as possible, simultaneously across platforms, like. I remember shopping for some of these computer games or looking at them at the store and seeing, oh well, this is available for both the commodore and the ibm and the apple, and then if it's a, if it's a name like tito or acclaim or what's the ones that make the up up, down down the kanami that was, they would try to port that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, konami games.
Speaker 4:They would port that from console to console and computer to computer, because if you write the game, you want to have it available to as many people as possible.
Speaker 2:Konami was Contra right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, contra, yeah, konami, and they did a lot of good sports games yeah, they did mention I was late to the game with nes and that is because I went commodore first. But there were games that were ported to the commodore that were like nintendo. They would, let's say, start as nintendo games, so like your castlevania or your super mario brothers or whatever. They would make that version for the commodore, but it just wasn't as good as nintendo. So years later, a couple of years later, I ended up buying a used one and and I guess this is since you guys had skipped the Commodore now we're all in NES land at this point. So this is all. This is still pre-high school, for damn sure.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, oh, yeah, way before. Just look at some consoles back through time. I have some here with their release date and sales date. So the first kind of major console that would hit the market was the magnavox odyssey. That was 1972, don't?
Speaker 2:know that one yeah, before our time.
Speaker 3:They sold about 350 000 units of that and some notable games on. There was simon says and table tennis, there was a commodore, pet sure pet. 1977 that was an early home computer. Notable games adventure land and 1978 star trek, the atari 2600 like matt and I had and you had as well as that, 1977. How many units do they think they sold? You want to take a guess?
Speaker 4:the atari. Yeah, I'll say five million what do you think?
Speaker 2:matt uh seven million 30 million units. God damn space invader that was a juicy squeeze big time space invaders sold two million copies pac-man adventure pitfall so what, what, what year was that? That came out? 70, what? 77? Okay, so I'm gonna got one like 85, 86 for the atari.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh no, I was earlier, probably like 82 maybe yeah, I want to say I got the 2600, probably around 82.
Speaker 3:I was later in the game than that so the apple 2 computer 1977, 5 million uh units sold. Then we get to the uh nes in 83 it was released in japan under a name called the famicom yep and uh. It was, uh, you know, very, very popular obviously over in japan yeah, the japanese.
Speaker 2:they're ahead of the time on the games, man 85, we saw it here 61.9 million units sold.
Speaker 3:That's quite a bit. The Commodore 82. And that was between 12.5 and 17 million units sold. Now there was a video game crash in like 83. Yeah, and that's where people with the consoles felt kind of like the games weren't as good, you know there was kind of like a backlash.
Speaker 4:They were so that crash. If I recall correctly, they were putting out just a shit ton of shit games.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was no Nintendo seal of quality. They were.
Speaker 4:That's right. They were putting out these crap games and it was awful. And I think putting out these crap games and it was awful, and I think atari is is actually partly to blame for this. I think the uh et debacle, yes, either led to it or was just a at the happening at the same time he wasn't that bad of a game, man you didn't think so I remember playing it, I remember enjoying it yeah, but he'd fall into the pit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you have to raise his head up and he'd fly up. I enjoyed ET.
Speaker 1:I don't think.
Speaker 2:ET, was that bad.
Speaker 3:I just remember being very frustrated with it, so they said that that game kind of helped push them over the edge. There were other games that were kind of shitty and there was really no like I guess anybody can make a game for the Atari. I don't know if there was no licensing.
Speaker 1:I don licensing.
Speaker 3:I don't really know how that worked, but there was a lot of bad games. We went out and bought one, spent money on it. A lot of times it was uh, didn't live up to the hype, the cover and everything else like that. So that puts us, like I said, back to, you know, 85.
Speaker 2:So that's where we get to the nes like, like dave said in 80, when you looked at the cover of a game, it wasn't exactly what you were playing, not at all a lot different so I found this, this out about the Nintendo, since we're about to get into that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so the Nintendo, if you notice, loads differently for the games than like an Atari is like a top load.
Speaker 2:He said load Load.
Speaker 3:So the Nintendo when they developed it. Obviously they call it the Nintendo Entertainment System because they didn't want to call it a gaming system because of the stigma from you know earlier with the Atari. And also they wanted to load like in a VCR because VCRs were popular at the time and home movies and all that. So they were like oh, if we, if we market this like as an entertainment, side load, not a front load or a top load.
Speaker 3:Well, the top load was the Atari, the Intel, all these ones that came before, but with the Nintendo they wanted to make it a little different. This is not a gaming console, it's an entertainment system.
Speaker 4:So, people, that stigma wasn't attached and they made it look like a VCR.
Speaker 3:Yeah, basically. So that puts us there at 85, and that's when the Nintendo came out, and this is the big one. Yeah, this was everybody's big one.
Speaker 4:When you hear 60-some million units are sold on this, that's a big deal. Again, I was late to the game with the nes, but that's because I had spent a few years with commodore in between and kept up with both. I had this awesome system at one point where and I guess we'll get into it, but I mean the I had a commodore setup and the nintendo setup, and then I also had a sega master system oh the original setup I had all three connected to the back of this monitor.
Speaker 4:I could just switch between all three at any one time. So that was pretty baller at the time, man. But NES, man, what were you guys when you guys were playing NES? Give me your top games, and I'm saying the games that you just played, the hell out of oh Contra Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
Speaker 3:Good ones.
Speaker 2:Shoot Like I can't even think off the top of my head.
Speaker 3:Go shoot like I can't even think off the top of my head. Go ahead, dave. What was your first with the nintendo, did you?
Speaker 2:do well. There was like duck hunt, all like all the ones that came out super mario brothers, donkey kong do you remember getting the console like when? It was. I got it for christmas and did you?
Speaker 3:had you played it somewhere else before that, or yes?
Speaker 2:uh down. I had a. I had a rich neighbor, matt, that his dad was like, uh, one of the head guys in hershey.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was a few houses down, but he had everything before it, like Before it hit the market.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was like the first kid that had a tree house. He had like a trampoline before trampoline. I didn't even know what those were. He was ahead of the curve, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, like I mentioned earlier, my said that you had the Commodore, but what was your first memory of Nintendo? I should say so Nintendo.
Speaker 4:My first memories of Nintendo was playing at other people's houses. And the very first. I remember Gyromite. Oh, that's when you bought the Nintendo that came with it. Yeah, it came with it. Robbie the Robot.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, yes, I forgot what that was called, but I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4:So Gyromite was the one where that little robot would control the sliding up and down of the basically like ceiling doors, that you could further progress or had to regress back through this maze, this side view maze but I mean by the time I got to Nintendo, which is I bought a used one years later after having had the Commodore I mean games that I remember playing, just beating the shit out of them Super Mario Brothers 2. Disliked by many Non-canical from many perspectives, but I think that's the best one. Dragon Warrior played the hell out of that.
Speaker 2:Castlevania 3. Castlevania was a great one Shoot. I forgot about that.
Speaker 4:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Not the arcade version. Castlevania 3 castlevania was a great one. Shoot. I forgot about that. Teenage mutant ninja turtles, not the, not the arcade version, but but this was just a single player side scrolling game. It was awesome, tetris, I mean for christ's sake.
Speaker 2:Oh, we didn't even mention that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was bananas with tetris you had dr mario. Uh, let's see, I didn't play zelda 1, but I played the shit out of zelda 2.
Speaker 2:I remember yeah, zelda was fun. That was the first like trying to get somewhere game. I didn't play Zelda one, but I played the shit out of Zelda two. I remember Zelda. Yeah, zelda was fun. That was the first like trying to get somewhere game.
Speaker 3:Zelda was the first save game where you had a battery built into the. Oh, nice the pack and it's because it was such a vast world. You were at the time, yeah for sure.
Speaker 4:Uh, then there was a Metroid.
Speaker 3:Great game Loved.
Speaker 4:Metroid great game, loved Metroid and that was a code based one, where you, your save game was basically a code they would give you at the end of whenever you wanted to save your game, or you died or some shit they would give you a 20 digit key code to play. What else did I hear? Mega man 3, batman. Now, the Batman was based on the Michael Keaton yes it wasn't cartoony or whatever, it was the dark night yeah, let's see Willow Adventure Island.
Speaker 4:It wasn't cartoony or whatever, it was the dark, dark night. Yeah, let's see Willow Adventure Island. I mean, that's about it really. Again, these are, oh, bubble Bobble. I know Shiby mentioned that for the Commodore. I played the shit out of Bubble Bobble for the NES.
Speaker 3:That's where it is. I liked all the sports games. We talked about, konami and I believe they were the ones behind like Double Dribble.
Speaker 2:Yeah, double Dribble, double Dribble.
Speaker 3:Blades of Steel.
Speaker 4:That was a great game, blades of Steel was good.
Speaker 3:It was a very good game.
Speaker 2:What was the one with, or that was later, the later Nintendo system where you like always check Gretzky.
Speaker 3:Oh, NHL.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I forget which one it was. It might have been on the Genesis, though. Where it was 99 for the Kings. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But the sports games were good. Rbi Baseball Bases Loaded.
Speaker 2:Bases Loaded was fun.
Speaker 3:The original baseball, the Nintendo version. That one was kind of archaic looking compared to some of the other games that came out. There was a game called think baseball stars that had a save feature or a battery as well. I think that was the one where you could actually I mean at the time, this is mind-blowing if my, if my, memory served me correct you would actually get players and develop them and salary caps and all kinds yeah to have all that in in a cartridge-based game was like insane that was a real thing, man for sure.
Speaker 2:I can't believe we didn't even mention what the nintendo was like.
Speaker 3:The blowing it, yeah, and then getting alcohol. Rubbing alcohol with uh q-tips inside when the game wouldn't respond, yeah so a good memory, a great memory I have uh was going down to 7-eleven and renting games uh for the nintendo yeah and uh and yeah, tecmo bowl. I remember renting that and it was hard to rent because it was a popular game, sure, and that was a game. I went right out and bought tecmo bowl.
Speaker 2:The original one was insane probably still my top three bo jackson and marcus allen in the backfield for the raiders eric dickerson uh, for the colts.
Speaker 3:It was like uh, definitely top three games for me from nintendo that I enjoyed. Zelda, like I said, I played. Um, I wasn't a huge zelda fan. I definitely like the sports games. Metroid, like we mentioned, was a good one. Blaster master nice uh, there was one. I forgot about that. I was looking through this list. Bionic commando do you guys remember that?
Speaker 4:he had the extended, he had the extended.
Speaker 3:Oh, the arms, yeah yeah, that was a cool game, mike.
Speaker 2:Tyson's punch out. That was huge. They held it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, punch out. I remember I had a neighborhood kid who had his mom actually his mom his mom, his mom's good looking.
Speaker 3:She had a younger boyfriend that was like in his 20s and I remember punch out came out and I remember thinking like there's no way anybody can get all the way through to Tyson and like win and this guy he was like probably like 23, 24 years old, we'd go over there and watch, he'd play, he could beat Tyson. And after seeing this guy do it I was like it is possible, you can do it. I ended up doing it myself, beating the game, getting through Super Macho man.
Speaker 3:I think, was the guy, and then Tyson.
Speaker 4:Did you have to look up any clues from Nintendo Power?
Speaker 3:No, yeah, that was another. Wasn't there a magazine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the magazines and stuff were big then too, like anything gaming systems.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was a Nintendo Power. Did you know? There was a thing before that? The first iteration was called Nintendo Fan Club. I did not know, that. So with the early cartridges they would ship. There would be like a little mailer in there. You can mail away for free and join Nintendo Fun Club and they would send you packets in the mail with little cheat codes, articles, and they also said they had a phone number on there and you could call.
Speaker 2:Tyrone. Yeah, call Tyrone 1-900-909-Nintendo.
Speaker 3:If you were stuck at a part of a game, you would call this hotline.
Speaker 2:And I think Nintendo's, like you would call this hotline, and I think nintendo's in washington redmond washington.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 2:And they said the phone lines were blowing up. That's amazing. That's when people used to work phone lines.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like not a thing anymore. That's awesome. So when they would release a game, like right after christmas, their phone lines would go nuts because kids would get stuck and call these hotlines. And that's when they got the idea what you're talking about nintendo power. Let's put out a magazine and these kids will eat it up.
Speaker 2:Did you cat see 8-Bit Christmas yet?
Speaker 3:Yes, I like that movie, amazing movie.
Speaker 2:This just reminds me of everything we're talking about right now.
Speaker 4:So as I'm working through my timeline, I will say 85, 86. It was 86. I had gotten the Commodore 88, maybe I had gotten the Nintendo 88, maybe I had gotten the nintendo. And then at the end of eighth grade, in 90, I had befriended this new, this new kid that just came into school in eighth grade. He had a sega master system. So the sega master system was awesome because the controller so you had the, the pad controllers versus a joystick, like with a commodore right. So you had the same look and feel of the. Basically the nintendo controllers was the same for the sega right. So you had the same look and feel of the basically the Nintendo controllers was the same for the Sega Master System, but they had the 9-pin connector so those controllers actually then worked backwards on my Commodore.
Speaker 4:So now I was able to play using that nice new development, this breakthrough development in joysticks, now this gaming pad where you're using your thumbs instead of your hand right, and now I'm able to play that on the comp, use those on the counter. But the sega master system I thought was great because it came with, like sega had a decent library, like a really decent library of games, like I remember. Uh, fantasy star, like that was the, the big installment into role-playing games for for sega. Uh, herzog's way, golden axe, altered beast, rastan, outrun space harrier like these were a lot of upright cabinets that you would find at your arcades right, that was a little blue guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sonic. Yeah, sonic was huge.
Speaker 4:I think, yeah, does it sonic come out with the master did.
Speaker 3:Genesis, genesis, that was Genesis. Oh, okay, I never played the Master System. Actually, I've only ever played the Genesis on up in the Saturn.
Speaker 2:Is that where it started getting like? People started going like Nintendo, sega, like it was like a thing.
Speaker 3:Sure yeah, Genesis. I think that might have been the first 16-bit system to market.
Speaker 4:The Genesis? Did it come out simultaneously with the nintendo? I'm sorry, the super nintendo I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think super nintendo was late and turbo graphics 16 oh which is a whole nother. Thing actually came out a year late. So it was. It was actually developed a year earlier, but didn't hit north america till a year later, and by that time genesis had like a large so you're saying for graphics, like, like I remember like the eight bit was big, then the 16 bit, what is?
Speaker 2:what are like the platforms now, like the Playstations and?
Speaker 3:Oh my God, like 36 or 48. They got to be well beyond.
Speaker 4:Really, they're not measuring in bits anymore. I can't even.
Speaker 3:I can't even imagine and that's a good point, matt, matt. So think about where, what, how many years in the video game history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're 2024 back from 72 or whatever you had there.
Speaker 3:And look where we've come.
Speaker 4:You're watching movies on video games now.
Speaker 3:Right, so who you know? Just to think, like by the time we're, you know 20 years from now where we'll be, I just can't imagine. I don't even know what you would put the number on, like a PS5.
Speaker 2:Well, they keep on trying to push the uh vr, the vr which, uh, my kid picked up the one a couple years back, and it the mega quest or whatever it was. But, um, it wasn't that great. Like you really couldn't find that many great games for it. There was the one like you were like flying like the star wars ship, that was awesome the vr yeah, the vr, but it's, it's. Uh, I don't know. They keep pushing it and pushing it, but I don't see it catching on, do?
Speaker 3:you know what I mean. Right, I think it will. I think it's it's got to get to a point where it's less uh like because you got to wear all that shit and it's. Uh, I mean you.
Speaker 3:You definitely forget from my son has the meta quest or whatever yeah, that's yeah and uh, I mean don't get me wrong I feel like my dad probably felt when he played Duck Hunt. My dad couldn't give a shit about a video game until I had Duck Hunt. He's like, oh, just pick this gun up and shoot, that's all you got to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he was like, oh, this is awesome. And that's kind of how I felt with the VR. And I put that on. I'm like this is actually something new and innovative and it's different. They.
Speaker 2:They have like a boxing thing. That's kind of cool in that too, and it's a workout. Yes, it's a workout, but the graphics and stuff I don't think are where. I don't know what you expect from that so far.
Speaker 3:Eventually it'll get to a point where you won't be able to distinguish Yep Because you'll have things connect. They'll actually probably wire into your junk and everything. Possibly. And this is where you get to the point where maybe people won't be leaving their house.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, you're going to gain a lot of weight. Work from home, just eat and sleep pretty much.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, Dave, when you got into Sega Genesis, what were your games for the Genesis? What did you like?
Speaker 3:So obviously it's shipped with Sonic. Oh, actually, no, I'm sorry. When I first got it it shipped with Altered Beast, which was like a cool game the sports games again on Sega Genesis they had. That was the first time that I played Madden, which was like blew my mind.
Speaker 2:I remember, like Madden, games.
Speaker 3:I was much into the sports games. I'm not a hockey fan, but I loved the NHL hockey games on there.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think like adventure game-wise. I had like that whole Olympics one on Sega. It was kind of cool.
Speaker 3:I mean, the Genesis was an awesome console in my opinion. I remember I had a Nintendo and when I went to buy the Genesis it was, it was in between like another Nintendo, like with some accessories, or and I went Genesis and I'm glad I did, Although I did have the. I think I'm confused on when I got exact, because I remember getting a nintendo with a power pad and all that stuff as well, and I don't remember what time, but the graphic difference. The graphics from the nintendo, the sega, were like a big jump.
Speaker 4:Sure could have been n64. You might have gone from from what's it called n64?
Speaker 3:well, my last Nintendo console before I got a Wii, however, many years later was the Nintendo Entertainment.
Speaker 4:I never got the N64 so no Super NES, no N64, no Super Nintendo.
Speaker 3:I went all Sega from there on out until PlayStation okay and so on. But Genesis, now that you brought that up, game wise, like I know, the sports games were big and uh, like Alder Beast, I'm trying trying to think of any of the adventure games or anything. Nothing really stands out.
Speaker 2:I think since Nintendo, when I had Nintendo and that was it, I didn't really get into gaming that much. I didn't have no Xbox, no PlayStation until recently. As my son was getting older, he was getting into it. That's where we got the PlayStation.
Speaker 4:So you took a break and you came back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but even the games today, they're too much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's overkill, yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 4:After the Master System I went to a Sega Genesis, then I got a Super NES, then I got an IBM-compatible computer. By now I'm getting into college.
Speaker 3:PC gaming and stuff and all that.
Speaker 4:But I wasn't connected, like I wasn't playing online gaming with PCs. This is, you're talking 1994 here? Yeah, latter half of 94. So I would play on there. Even then I would. They re-released Wasteland, so I played that and another game, doom 2.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, doom. I remember that was a game that intrigued me Talking Doom 2. Oh yeah, doom. I remember that was a game that intrigued me Talking about the Genesis. I was in my teens by then and I was more into the sports games. I don't know if you remember this, matt John. I don't know if you hung out with this guy, but a guy Sean we graduated with, we'd hang in his basement and stuff.
Speaker 3:We'd have people over and I remember going over there for like Madden tournaments, like where we would hang out there all day and play. It would have been maybe like Madden 94 or something like that and that was before, obviously, online gaming.
Speaker 3:but we'd go over there and make little like brackets and you're playing this guy and this and that and you play and do that kind of stuff. But as far as like the online gaming and all that, the computer gaming that was to come, I would have never even thought that would have been possible. But by that time as a teenager like I think, for gaming I was doing so much other stuff.
Speaker 4:I didn't really have time. That's the thing. Once I got to college, I didn't play much games at all, like I could think of two games that I played while, I was in college. Otherwise I was working and going to college, didn't have time for them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Now later on. Then you know the PlayStation and all that, like, maybe we'll save that for another episode, but I definitely got into that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that playstation and all that, like maybe we'll save that for another episode, but I definitely got into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, we, we could definitely cut this one off, because I mean, once you get into playstation, anything thereafter like it's, yeah, we're moving ahead.
Speaker 3:We're moving away from vintage to crazy now time I mean, there's stuff that I didn't even get into, that we could have talked about, but I think this was a fun episode. I mean the power glove. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 2:I just from 8-Bit. I don't really remember that at all. I had one oh nice.
Speaker 3:It sucked.
Speaker 2:It, didn't do anything.
Speaker 3:It was horrible, but there was a whole story about that. I might as well just talk about it real quick before we wrap it up, so the Power. Glove. This guy developed it. He was actually, I think he went to MIT made, had like fiber optics in it and the cost would have been like ten thousand dollars, sure. So they're not going to be able to market this and there was no way to get the price down so they cut corners, huh they had to cut corners.
Speaker 3:Atari approached them. This is this was out in the early 80s. So atari approached him, was like hey, we'll give you 10 grand. And he was like no, it's not enough money, like you know, I'll just keep developing it. Eventually, I think, mattel signed on. Uh, they did a demo for mattel and, uh, it actually wasn't even hooked up to a console. They wanted it for nintendo. They wanted it. He wanted to make his own console and make games for this glove. But they were like no, we want you to make it for an existing console. Nintendo is the hottest thing. So they did a demo for mattel and instead of hooking it up to a nintendo, he had a um, um, uh, amiga, ibm, amiga.
Speaker 4:I think it was called Commodore.
Speaker 3:Amiga or Commodore, I'm sorry, and they were doing this demo and they had a kid planted in the audience and said, call him up on stage and make it look like he's just picking up the glove and playing. But it was all pre-programmed.
Speaker 2:Sure, he knew what he was doing the whole time.
Speaker 3:And they were like the CEO was like blown away, like oh, this is great. And then she put it on and played Punch-Out and knocked out Glass Joe on like the first punch. She was like this is great, develop it, we'll pay for it, do whatever, they cut a lot of corners and put it out. When I got it I remember like the game sucked.
Speaker 2:Like you play Ninja Gaiden, try to do that work, nope yeah, the system I got had the, just the duck hunt with it with the zapper, yeah, yeah, which will not work on will not work on newer tvs like the plasmas and stuff the zapper.
Speaker 4:It will only work on a cathode ray to cathode ray yeah the. Uh, it's funny to mention when, when you, when you talk about that, that that glove somebody somehow, since and it might be for robot chicken, it might be for another show like he actually uses that for still photography For the.
Speaker 1:To take the picture For claymation.
Speaker 4:You know when you're moving things a little bit, stop animation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wild Power glove. Yeah, there's all kinds of accessories.
Speaker 2:That's the power of glove.
Speaker 3:Power of glove.
Speaker 4:So when you bring up that Commodore Amiga, that throws me back too. So there was the Commodore 64. Then there was the Commodore 128. But then there was the Amiga. So the Amiga was the most advanced graphically. I mean, it was vivid, vivid pictures on that Amiga, like everybody would see that, oh man, it's just so cool, I want that. Never got it, never happened. No, me, neither they were expensive-o.
Speaker 3:No, but man, there's so much we could talk about. I mean, I enjoyed the episode. I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 4:It's cool it's fun it's definitely fun little trip our toes in here.
Speaker 3:Yeah there's so many good memories about video games and, uh, definitely, if you guys enjoyed it, reach out, let us know. Um, let us know what, what we missed, which I know was a lot maybe we'll do another one down the road shoot us an email, why not? We'll have to figure out what the format will be. When Will we talk about particular games? Because I mean you could talk about games forever, forever. Maybe pick like two or three titles and talk about them.
Speaker 4:Next time I'll bring my Commodore. We can hook it up to your television.
Speaker 3:Oh, sound of that must mean it's about the end of the episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the game's closing down. Sounds like game over baby.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so don't forget to find us on Facebook and Instagram at Old Dirty Basement, and I guess that's it. You guys got anything else?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed it. That was fun Little trips down memory lane on the videos, good, good time.
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