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V.C.R. Presents: Johnny Be Good (1988) – High School Football Chaos, 80s Stars, and Sports Nostalgia
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Ever wondered what really goes on behind the scenes in high school football? Join us as we break down the 1988 classic, "Johnny Be Good," and explore the chaotic world of football stars and their coaches. This week, Dave, Matt, and Zap bring you an entertaining and nostalgic look at the film that catapulted Anthony Michael Hall, Robert Downey Jr., and Uma Thurman into the spotlight. With a budget of $4 million and a box office triumph of $18.3 million, you’ll learn about the film's production details, memorable scenes, and its impact on football fans.
From snacking players to intense, unforgettable coach speeches, our discussion authentically captures the hilarious and sometimes bizarre culture of high school football. We share personal anecdotes and humorous insights that compare the fictional portrayals to real-life sports environments, making this episode a must-listen for sports enthusiasts and 80s movie buffs alike. The eccentricities of high school sports, including home field state championships, bring an authentic and comedic layer to our review.
As we reflect on Johnny Walker’s moral dilemmas, his rebellious relationship, and the exploitation of young athletes, we also dive into the evolution of college sports recruitment. The game has changed with NIL deals revolutionizing college athletes' financial opportunities. Wrapping up with a spirited debate on whether to "return" or "burn" the movie, we also touch on Robert Downey Jr.’s 80s film roles and how classic movies shaped our childhood dreams. Tune in for a blend of humor, nostalgia, and insightful critique that promises to entertain and enlighten.
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Speaker 2:We're covering from 1988 johnny, be good oh, the life of a high school football star, facing the pressures of choosing a college and the moral decisions of right and wrong yeah, we're talking about johnny walker and not the scotch.
Speaker 3:This guy's this guy's own point uh, recruited by everybody in the nation. That's right.
Speaker 1:We'll see what happens yeah, this is a good football movie. We hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, leave us that five-star rating on Spotify. On Apple, Leave us a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy. From 1988, Johnny B Goode. Hey, this is Dave.
Speaker 3:Matt and Zap, and welcome to the Vintage Cinema Review.
Speaker 1:Where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past hey, there ain't no late fees here.
Speaker 2:Silence is golden and be kind rewind hey, what's in there, baby?
Speaker 3:it's football season. Whoa well, this is your pick, matt. Yes, it is man, there's a there's no element of excitement tonight.
Speaker 2:Somebody got that coffee in them. Yeah, let's go, baby I'm having flashbacks yeah, that was, uh, that was old.
Speaker 3:It sounds like high school right there this is high school football. This sounds like triple days football about high school. It's a. It's a great one. It's called johnny.
Speaker 1:Be good nice, this is matt's pick. Yep zap. You said, you before this have not seen this movie until yesterday, I had never seen this movie and matt.
Speaker 3:This is one of your favorites it's up there, like it's hardly ever on. You never really see it, but I remember there was, uh, there was a time where this like ran, ran off, and I think it was like like eighth grade yes, ninth grade get you hyped for football season this movie gave me false hope that I could go to college for football, because I just watched it and I'm like, if that guy can go it's fair, that's absolutely
Speaker 3:fair, it's like the one scene well, I guess we'll talk about it later with that one scene, like the skinny guys, like that guy's on the team, like no, no I know.
Speaker 1:I know exactly which one you're talking about. So, johnny, be good. 1988. This was released march 25th 1988 with a runtime of an hour and 31 minutes, directed by bud s smith. The writers on this steve zacharias, jeff buhall and david opst. Budget on this four million box office, 18.3 million not too bad.
Speaker 3:Not too bad we've heard better. That surprises me it did.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm gonna ask you. What would you, what have you thought? Loss on this or I would have.
Speaker 2:There was no special little to no special effects in this. So I mean the judging by the cinematography and the amount of time spent on the story and the script, I gotta believe that this was a yeah, a cheap, inexpensive movie so you're not paying? Yeah, there's no big, big funding with the names that were in here, though I would have thought it would have made more yeah, just because people go but now, having recently watched it, I understand why it didn't make as much.
Speaker 3:Uma Thurman wasn't known at this time. What did it say? Introducing? Introducing Uma Thurman. This was her first kind of starring major, good-looking girlfriend role.
Speaker 1:She wouldn't have been the draw, it would have been Downey and Anthony Michael Hall. This was after. This was 88, correct? Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, so after Weird Science. So this was filmed March to May of 1987. That was pretty quick.
Speaker 3:Well, Anthony Michael Hall also did Vacation.
Speaker 1:Vacation yeah. Breakfast Club Breakfast Club yeah.
Speaker 3:So he was, yeah, he was a draw, definitely was.
Speaker 1:This was filmed in Texas. Huh Shocking, I could tell right away yeah, football. Filmed in Texas? Huh Shocking, I could tell right away yeah, football. So that's pretty much all I have for that. I guess I'll turn it over to Zap for the cast, all right?
Speaker 2:The cast of Johnny B Good includes, but is not limited to, anthony Michael Hall as Johnny Walker, robert Downey Jr as Leo Wiggins. Paul Gleason as Wayne Hisler that, paul Gleason as Wayne Hisler. That's Coach Wayne Hisler. Uma Thurman as Georgia Elkins. Steve James as Coach Ned Sanders Not to be confused with Ned Flanders.
Speaker 1:Ned.
Speaker 2:Flanders. Seymour Castle as Wallace Gibson. Michael Green as Tex Wade.
Speaker 3:Marshall.
Speaker 2:Bell as Chief Elkins. Marshall bell as chief elkins. Jennifer tilly as connie hisler.
Speaker 3:Yes, you think jennifer tilly oh my goodness, you don't like that oh, oh man, she was okay in the movie yeah she.
Speaker 2:She was giving it away in the movie, so I'll give it to her for that for sure. Yeah, michael aldridge as vinnie kroll, jim mcmahon as himself, howard cosell as himself, robert downey senior as ncaa investigator floyd gondel and I didn't know that was him what else the hell was he in? Nobody really knew him. He was a screenwriter and a director really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I just or a producer or whatever he wasn't really a star.
Speaker 3:I don't even know until right now he was in the movie. That was a surprise, yeah.
Speaker 2:Surprise, surprise. Debra May as Mrs Walker, george Hall as Grandpa Walker, tim Rosovich as the gas station attendant, john Stafford as Bad Breath and Peter Koch as Pete Andropoulos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that Bad Breath. He looked like he was like 38. Yeah, Playing college ball.
Speaker 2:He had a handlebar mustache Chest hair, chest hair, huge head of hair yeah, dude, six-year senior.
Speaker 1:He looked like Gardner Minshew. A little bit Plays for the Raiders now.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if this isn't fun facts, and if it is, we can you know whatever? No, let's do it. I look at the ages of these people, and so do you sometimes, oh, absolutely, to see how old the actors are. So Robert Downey Jr was born in 65. This movie came out in 88, so he was 23. Yes, anthony Michael Hall, I'm pretty sure, was 68. He was born, so he was 20 years old at the time he was closer at least.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but that's any. That's any way they cast for these high school movies they always take, even even though what Beverly Hills 90210? They were like 20 something?
Speaker 2:Oh for sure. Well, what's her name? The whoever played, andrea. She was in her 30s, she was like 32.
Speaker 3:I think Uma Thurman was the only like kind of really young one.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was born in 1970 which would have made her 18 at this time.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, she was cute. She was cute, oh, for sure I think I think it was well cast.
Speaker 1:I think like, even like the texas players, are the the coaches um yeah, all that stuff was good yeah yeah, I thought I thought that was that was done well and I remember back in the day being hype when jim mcmahon came on because he was. He was like a big deal in the 80s, you know well he was?
Speaker 3:he was like the bad boy.
Speaker 2:He used to wear kangaroo, remember, yeah, kangaroo for damn sure he was like sponsored by kangaroo so you both have seen this movie. Like I, I get it, but like matt, I understand you've watched this a bunch of times.
Speaker 1:Yes, dave, did you watch this a bunch of times. I did I, when I was a kid. I remember I'm not kidding when I saw this I made it said as a joke, but I remember seeing this movie thinking, man, I'm gonna go to college for football, because I mean, if this is what it's like for high school football, then I honestly remember thinking that.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I slept on this movie yeah.
Speaker 3:I thought it was neat too, like I remember going to my friend Mike Williams we both played for up the street. Yeah, yeah, we both played for um up the street. Yeah, yeah, well, we both played for. Uh, what a great, I don't know, can you say seven stars here? I?
Speaker 2:guess, yeah, you can say what the hell you want.
Speaker 3:This is america, god damn it we, we both played for seven stars. I remember it's like eighth grade going into ninth. We used to watch this movie all the time because it was so cool, because the same stuff that they wore yeah it was like the same bike. You know what I mean. Like you're like wow, we're there. Man, it's like so close and and I relate to what you're- saying exactly what I'm talking about you, that guy?
Speaker 1:yeah, we'll get into it, though, yeah, yeah so I guess that's it for that, matt, you have a. Uh, yes, I have a brief synopsis of the movie.
Speaker 3:Johnny be good. High school quarterback johnny walker is being courted by elite colleges nationwide to get the sports star to enroll. An army of recruiters entices him with everything a young, hormonal teenager could want. While his best friend, Leo Wiggins, Robert Downey Jr, advises him to wait for the most lucrative offer, Johnny's girlfriend, Georgia Elkins, played by Uma Thurman, wants him to attend their state college with her. The trouble is, the state school has offered him nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, Johnny Piquet.
Speaker 2:Very nice, that's a good synopsis.
Speaker 3:That was. That was a good brief synopsis, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was. I like it All right.
Speaker 3:Good job. Synopsis.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Synopsis.
Speaker 1:keep on clicking All right, so it's first in 10 zap, first in 10.
Speaker 3:We got the ball.
Speaker 1:I, we got the ball. I guess we'll start off here.
Speaker 3:I like what you did there. All right, I like that Hut hut Huddle up Punt team. All right, get in there, matt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get in there. Our movie kicks off with an electrifying high school football game where we first meet our protagonist, Johnny Walker, the star quarterback leading his team to victory with his remarkable skill and natural talent. The crowd goes wild as he leads his team to decimate their opponents. As the game ends, scouts from top colleges swarm the field, eager to recruit Johnny for their teams. All the while, a mysterious man has been lurking about, sporadically recording notes to himself relative to his observations of the college coaches and recruiters at the game I just want to let some of some of our fans know protagonist means like the main character in the movie yes, yes, good, glad you explained.
Speaker 3:Yes, I just want to because it threw me off there.
Speaker 1:I had to look that up real quick I was like what the hell is he talking about? Like the bad guy. Who's this, who's this protagonist? What's he protagonizing him for? Yeah, what a crazy person.
Speaker 3:So I just put that out there for anybody that needs to know.
Speaker 2:That's a good word. I like that word. Thank you, it is clear that Matt focused more on football than English class.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that was a concussion.
Speaker 1:So a lot to unpack in the beginning, a lot to unpack. So, zap and Matt, both you guys can relate to the team prayer in the beginning, right, dude that prayer was awesome, dude, so I loved it.
Speaker 2:I loved it. I loved it Because he was like after the prayers, all over, all right, I'm done talking to God, now I'm talking to you. Yeah, you want to go out there and play like a bunch of you know wimps. You go right ahead and you're going lose. You're gonna lose. You want to lose. You know you want to win. Who's? Who wants to feel it? Who wants to taste it? Who wants to? And robert downey jr.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was great he's like tasted me, he's like I want it, I want it, I want it a little that. But you come to find later on that robert downey jr is like the, the burdo of the oh yeah, he's of the team. Like that dude does not play.
Speaker 3:But his buddy, yeah, his buddy's like let's get him in.
Speaker 2:He was like let's do him a favor, what can we do to get Leo in? And he falls down? Coach, I broke my dick.
Speaker 1:I like in that speech he's like put your foot on their balls, that's right. And then he references which I thought you would like. It's about the Russians, oh, that's right, yeah, those pinko Russians.
Speaker 3:And then no honey on your stingers tonight, fellas, it kind of reminded us of a coach that we did have, because we had a coach that was very to the book, to the point, wouldn't swear. And then we had another coach that would talk like this guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, big time he's like crush him, kill him.
Speaker 2:We'll just stomp on their nuts.
Speaker 1:Stomp on their nuts. There was a game I'll never forget it. We were winning at halftime. It was a varsity game that we were dressed for, because I think we were in 10th grade and we were winning like 45 nothing or something like that. It was crazy at halftime and he was yelling like that yeah, like we're, like we're actually winning this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we were getting crushed.
Speaker 2:It's the thing. I guess you got to get people hyped up. I mean, it's a very physical, active game. You got to get in the mood, man.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. That's part of coaching high school football. I think you need that attitude in order to hype your players.
Speaker 2:I can't believe more coaches. We don't see more heart attacks on the side of the field. I'm serious, man Hell. Look at Christ, who's coaching the Kansas City right now.
Speaker 1:No, andy, reid Andy.
Speaker 2:Reided. How the hell is he still?
Speaker 1:alive. Oh yeah, with the stress you mean, and then the weight the stress and the weight, not just john madden no, he's done, he's, he's been dead.
Speaker 3:But when he was coaching, when he was coaching, he was still a large gentleman correct, so he might be 100 years old right now if he were still alive.
Speaker 2:I'm saying that like, how does how do these massive fat dudes that are out there hyping these guys up with their heads, getting all you know?
Speaker 3:beet red, I don't know. I think Andy Reid has a sense of calm to him Because he had a lot of trouble like outside of football and stuff with his family and I think he doesn't let that stuff bother him.
Speaker 2:I don't know know. Did you guys notice the uh confederate flags on the opposing team shoulder?
Speaker 1:pads, that's texas. Man, that is texas. So how about? Uh, also mike mccarthy for the cowboys? Always look at him and think the same thing, because he's just a big, big, heavy dude out there like you. Just look at him like he's a lot of smoked meats and drinking beer and uh sausage but uh, a couple other things I wrote down from that beginning. I talked about the losers over in Russia. Like I said, I thought you'd probably like that. And then, on the way out, he punches the glass.
Speaker 3:He fucking Russians. Oh yeah, he smashes it the water bottle container.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just smashes it the water cooler Water cooler. And then, matt, you said earlier about the bike helmets and noticed that right away, when I was looking at all their gear, he had, uh, the bike helmets with all the stick marks, all over it we used to call you know you get a stick mark when you tackle and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, be proud of that. One thing I laughed at too was, uh, when they were showing the mysterious gentleman you're talking about mysterious. He was over at the concession stand. There was a player over there getting food, like during the game. I was like you know what I mean. That guy's not getting in the game, but you would see that from time to time. I don't think you get away with that at our high school. Our coaches want to put up with that no, but that's like a.
Speaker 3:That's an ongoing joke in some of these movies, kind of with, like you know, the guys over there at the concession stand or right like not not even paying attention to the game I mean that would be more.
Speaker 1:They're not getting in there peewee football or something you would think the high school state championship game. You would be over there on the sidelines. You would think that's what that's.
Speaker 3:One thing too. It kind of kind of reminded me of like a teen wolf or whatever. Like it didn't really seem like a state championship type atmosphere. I'm glad you said that I didn't like that what state title game is ever at the home?
Speaker 1:I'm assuming that was their home field yeah it's always at like a neutral location, you know, like hersey park same, the teen wolf.
Speaker 3:The very end of that movie is like classic, like the song and everything. The win in the end. But I just I didn't like it that it was still at the same place. They were playing all their high school games.
Speaker 2:That made no sense, especially because that gym was like the size of one of our Catholic grade school gyms, yep, and had very little space when you got to move, like all the bingo equipment just so yeah you can play basketball that day, so this.
Speaker 1:This is pretty much the only live football you see in the whole movie and they jammed it all in the very beginning and that's what kind of got me thinking like, all right, these guys are state champs and uh, okay, that's all it takes. You know, it was just a little. I remember that, being like 12, 13 years old, like cause I was almost there. I was like seventh grade, maybe sixth grade high school football all right well.
Speaker 2:Despite his clear talent and promising future, johnny is conflicted about his next steps. His girlfriend, georgia, pressures him to choose a local college so they can stay close and continue their relationship. His best friend, leo, dreams of them both heading to a prestigious college where they can enjoy the perks and party lifestyle that fame in college sports often brings. Johnny's parents, on the other hand, want him to think about his education and future beyond football. The intense recruitment process begins. We see various recruiters attempting to sway Johnny with elaborate gifts, grand promises and even outright bribes.
Speaker 2:One recruiter offers Johnny a brand new car. Another invites him and his friends to lavish parties. And still another school is so interested in him that the coach's wife offers herself to him Inflagrante delecto on a warm Texas night in the middle of old Texas football field. His high school coach, coach Wayne Hisler, even tries to sell him out by striking a deal with one of the colleges. His inner conflict grows as he grapples with the materialistic allure of some offers versus the moral integrity of others. The mysterious man continues to lurk, continuing to record notes to himself of the goings on.
Speaker 2:He's a mysterious man so let's see, let's unwrap some of the offerings that was made to.
Speaker 3:Johnny Walker here Also real quick. Flagrante delecto that's a Latin phrase, Jesus Christ. I just looked this up. It is the very act of committing a misdeed, so it could be anything yeah.
Speaker 1:Just bad. Bad news bears Nice. Yeah, there is a lot of unpacking in between all that. Did you know that stadium was Cowboys? Did you see the end zone of the Cowboys field?
Speaker 2:I did. I'm still laughing at Matt hey.
Speaker 3:I'm just letting the listeners know I'm looking out.
Speaker 2:Are we anticipating football fans listening to this one? There'll be a lot of them. There'll be a lot, there'll be a lot of them. So I did not not notice that it was cowboys field, all the. I was too busy noticing the coaches or the yeah, the coach's wife trying to get slappy with johnny walker in the middle of the field that was a great outfit she had on.
Speaker 3:Where a limb wait a limo?
Speaker 2:drove them to the middle of the field, where she already had, like a couch, blankets all set up, ready to go champagne or whatever that was she got out of the limo and she was wiping her mouth.
Speaker 1:I thought she gave him a, you know maybe in the back little pleasure, I don't know no, he, he was in the, he was in the uma. I don't know like he knew what was going on yeah, oh yeah, he was dancing with her, and kissing her at the party. We'll go back to that, to the party the party was nice like that house. That's the part I remember. As a kid I remembered a little uh, the little guy with a sombrero and the and the chips and a little dwarf walking around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that that was great, the nacho hat and just the girls in bikinis yeah, that was great. And then all the football players there that are getting recruited, girls in bikinis and stuff like that and uh, I just remember, I like as soon as that bar came on, I remember that I was like man, they treat you like royalty hell yeah, I felt like I was at a party, pretty much.
Speaker 3:What's so. What's so funny, though, is when you do look at this and this was when we were kids and, like today, they say about how, recruiting and, and you can't do this and you can't do that, but this stuff was going on since, well, the, the 70s well, that's one thing I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1:Like any more of this movie really wouldn't make sense, because the nil deals yeah that, like they're able to give money, do whatever they can. Yeah, they can do whatever now, but in 88 all that stuff was completely illegal, kind of off limits yeah, I wrote down a couple things I think already happened in the movie, but but maybe not um that part where he's playing drums in his bedroom like watching horrible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he was watching like it looked like football follies but you see the john elway, the three, the three major elway plays yeah lots of elway and I thought I thought, matt, maybe subliminally, that's why you love this movie it's like elway in it. Um, he had three great plays. There's also like a flea flicker play.
Speaker 1:At the very end I was like it's fantastic, flea flicker and then, uh, the other thing was uh well, the letterman jacket, did you guys? I had one of those yeah, I did.
Speaker 3:I didn't get one.
Speaker 1:I had one like for saint margaret mary's football with the patches, and then at mcdevitt I had one like that, but I don't think kids do that anymore?
Speaker 2:no, no, they don't now. So I didn't get. I didn't utilize a letterman jacket. All we got was a letter.
Speaker 1:You got to find your own goddamn jacket yes, and you'd get, we'd go to like uh, strainings I, I think it was called, or one of those places.
Speaker 3:I remember Nick used to have a real cool one with the leather. It had the gold leather sleeves, yes, but he had like nine patches on it. Yeah right, Like pins and stuff.
Speaker 1:We're like man where'd you get those? I know right, but I thought that was pretty cool. And then the drive-in scene. What the hell was that movie playing? It was like in like uh, oh, uh. Was it like a western or no? No, like it was like, uh, like the black guy and a white girl, kind of like singing and dancing around so fun.
Speaker 2:This is part of the fun facts but since you ask because I only got three fun facts okay, the movie playing at that drive when it is called putney swope. Oh so that movie was written and directed by robert downey senior. Oh wow, it was released in 1969 and in 2016 it was added to the us national film registry in the library of congress.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah yeah, because I remember like the music part of it, like when the scene started up and they were at the drive-in like kind of. I kind of remember that part, and then the coach pulls up in his pacer yeah, the little car.
Speaker 2:So I'm watching that dude. As soon as I saw that, I pulled out my phone I started looking for resto mod pacers or like custom pacers. You can do a lot, or some people have done a lot with pacers. Is that what wayne had? Or garth had? I guess wayne and garth's uh was was the pacer. So it is interesting with regard to that movie that Putney Swope that it's actually about. It's a farcical story about, basically, you know, have either of you guys seen Mad Men?
Speaker 1:Remember that show. I'm aware of it, but I've never watched it.
Speaker 2:So it's all this shit that goes down in the advertising world on Madison Avenue in New York in the 60s. So that movie, that putney swope, is essentially that. But that time, that story, that everything but satirically done with this black guy who's working at base. He's the he's like the token black guy, or the only black guy that works at this all-white advertising firm in new york and he all of a sudden, for whatever reason, he gets pushed up to run the place.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's, it's. It's again like think of it like a Mel Brooks in nature. It's again very sarcastic, very satirical, very. You know whatever no-transcript and everything he was the douche principal from uh breakfast club. Breakfast club he was the douche chief of the police in die hard, that's right oh that was him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, yeah, so I guess that coach what he wants. Uh, he wants a different job. So he's like look man, I'll bring johnny with me, but you got to make me the head coach of uh piermont piermont yeah, that's his uh mill ticket, yeah well, it was.
Speaker 3:Was johnny that? Good, I mean, that's what I was like if he's getting all that yeah like penn state, alabama.
Speaker 1:They were all there yeah, the recruiters let's talk about that like there's like nine people from alabama yeah, that was a cool look though that was back in the day like the football coaches and with the plaid oh sure and like the like tom landry like dressing with the hat.
Speaker 3:I like that, that old school style oh my god, yeah absolutely yeah, they wouldn't wear um like sweatsuits or a sweatshirt on the side in the 80s, 70s and 80s. You didn't have that they were classy it's like 32 degrees outside.
Speaker 1:They have only a suit jacket yeah, I mean you look at the coaches we have now, like mcveigh for the rams he's like he's like a model or something like. Just like. You know what I mean. He doesn't look like a throwback to those dudes.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if they're the dude from the Dolphins Coach looks like a serial killer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:He's like a weird-looking dude man.
Speaker 1:But they love him, man they do the players? Love him for sure.
Speaker 2:So while all of this is going on, johnny B Goode here is. Johnny walker is courting uma thurman, the chief of police's daughter. The chief of police oh, that guy can't stand, johnny walker absolutely because he brought.
Speaker 3:He brought her home with a hickey and it was a day late that's right. That's right, and it was a day late. He's like I brought you home a day late.
Speaker 1:I think that's why he's upset yeah, johnny got some balls on him though, because like, if you know, if you're dating a girl and their dad's a cop, yeah, and I mean I would be like very respectful and kind of like he. He just like I don't want to say he's disrespectful, but I guess he kind of is.
Speaker 2:He knows he's the town he knows he's the town's you know celebrity because he's the best as there possibly could be at football. He's the local celebrity right. So he's dating the chief of police. His daughter, chief police, can't stand him. Chief of police grounds his daughters and forbids her from seeing him. He just rolls over to the house.
Speaker 1:He don't care chief police probably sucked at football. He did suck at football. We saw that we did challenges I saw that pass.
Speaker 2:We saw that in the pickup game when they covered the football and dog shit. That's right, that was good that's not cool, not cool man.
Speaker 2:Well, johnny now faces deepening moral conflicts, struggling with the idea of accepting under-the-table deals, bribes and the exploitations of young athletes that challenge his principles. State University, where he meets an old coach who speaks about the importance of character and education. This visit sparks a turning point for Johnny, prompting him to reflect on his values and the kind of person he wants to become Later that night, however, johnny and Leo end up in a compromising predicament involving a setup where the two find themselves in a hotel room with a group of women who ultimately accused them of crimes they did not commit with criminal charges. Looming is signing with piermont university as directed by his dubious high school coach, now his only option for a promising future sorry no, I was just going to say the.
Speaker 3:The rating on this was pg-13, should have been r and, and I was like, was it? Pg-13? Should have been r and, and I was like, was it pg-13?
Speaker 1:when we were. I don't know, but I wanted to ask you, so I watched this on pluto. I don't know, how do you watch?
Speaker 2:it to be. I watched it also on to be uh to be so.
Speaker 1:We all watched the same, but there was a scene earlier. They showed nudity on this part 100 with the three girls like in the hotel but earlier there was a scene there was six sets of. There were six boobies there were and they showed them. But earlier there was a scene when they were playing that um football game with the cop down in front of uma thurman's house and the cheerleaders like looked like they were flashing that and with that they were about to, at least on a tubi version, like they get.
Speaker 2:You saw under boob, right, you absolutely saw under boob. And then it flashed to the mom who was standing in the window while looking out, and she, you know she looks out in horror to what you must assume they saw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I was thinking, maybe they cut it like out because it's on tubi or pluto or whatever. But then I saw it later something I saw bosoms.
Speaker 3:There was also the flesh colored underwear. Remember they said, oh, the cheerleader over there isn't wearing any underwear, so the the whole team looks over.
Speaker 2:And this is at the beginning, first scene Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just for Johnny. But yeah, I mean, she had nude underwear on. But if she's just like doing some quick flippage.
Speaker 1:You can tell back in the day with resolution you weren't going to catch that.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm sure you guys were pausing it.
Speaker 3:I was going to say any kid watching the a pause.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, you can never get it quite right too on vhs it always like would be faster than what you had to be like like a quick hand, yeah, you kept trying, yeah, and then it would jutter. They're like the jitter. Oh, you remember, you remember on those old boxes when you like.
Speaker 3:The porn channels if you hit it wrote the ab whatever button you sit there like tap it, tap, tap, tap, try to come in it clear it off for like a second or two. Yeah, that's right on spice I saw boobs.
Speaker 2:I saw boobs, spice what kind of generation are we? Seriously, we got to be the only generation that was jerking off to scrambled television right, it was the music.
Speaker 1:I think the music alone you're like yeah, I like that one. It was like there was a couple different songs. So uh that um that hotel, the no tell motel.
Speaker 2:No tell motel holiday inn. Did you catch that one? Yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, a couple other things I wrote down on here when, uh, he went to visit uma thurman at the, she was working like a grocery store yeah, she threw a chicken at him she did throw a him. So, he's back there butchering, but I looked at some of the prices. I like doing that.
Speaker 3:I like to bring that up.
Speaker 2:How much were cigarettes?
Speaker 1:I was looking for that but I couldn't find them. But 30 pounds of meat and they had steaks in there, pork chops looked like all kinds of good stuff. So a meat bundle you get 30 pounds for 46.50. That's a damn good deal for beef.
Speaker 3:Back then not many people were buying that.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, they were back then 46.50.
Speaker 2:This is Texas, bro. It's all. Beef, big meat, it's all meat.
Speaker 1:I see you're doing math in your head, trying to figure out the per pound.
Speaker 2:So I'm doing a per pound and I'm coming out with like $1.50 a pound.
Speaker 1:And per pound and I'm coming out with like a dollar fifty a pound. So, and that's not the worst. That's for beef matt. You buy a corn and stuff corn. So yeah, they got good chicken there. I think I'm paying over there for like beef, like you know, on sale maybe 6.99 a pound.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's something with cars like getting like your ground beef and like the bags, like, like it grosses you out, or what? No, no, I like that as opposed to like the grocery store where it's like packaged in that styrofoam, like the white styrofoam, and it's just like bloody contents on the top.
Speaker 2:Dude, when I was a kid I liked that when I was a kid we'd go down to Chubb's Market in High Spire and at Chubb's so you guys know the little, the or whatever, what like the striped, the red and white. Yep, so you get that red and white. It's either a checkerboard, it's striped, it's whatever it is, but you'd get a pound of ground beef in that, and then it was wrapped in butcher paper.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:And they write the price with a black marker right on the top of it.
Speaker 1:It awesome you know, what I miss is the, the wax. Coca-cola cups, remember those ones? The paper, and they had a wax coating around them and you would get your coke in it. You know like if you went to like a baseball game or something oh, the cups with the wax inside.
Speaker 3:I got it. Yeah, it's the wax coating.
Speaker 2:It was just wax all around.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the top of it has a rounded lip, an ever so rounded lip yeah, you know, it's just a bite on the bottom part as a kid and straighten out the rounded lip.
Speaker 2:That's correct you get crushed ice, and that's right you'd unwind the rounded lip with your yes with your teeth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but the crushed ice too. They don't have that in very many places I think, like goddamn shame sheets.
Speaker 2:Have some good crushed ice fuck sheets.
Speaker 3:I'm going to wawa yes, it's open, open today a couple other things I wrote down.
Speaker 1:I saw a sign for ford lincoln mercury well, you're not mercury anymore, so that was one thing that went away. I mean, that wasn't that long ago. And then also there was a comment I don't know if you guys caught this so when he was at ucc, which I'm assuming is supposed to be usc- yeah uh the uh. The guy there that's kind of the money man is taking around the facilities and when he in his mercedes.
Speaker 2:In his mercedes he shows up and there's like a hundred fucking slamming hot chicks. Oh yeah, la, it's la man. Yeah, on his way out, he's like a hundred fucking slamming hot chicks. Oh yeah, la, it's.
Speaker 3:LA man yeah.
Speaker 1:On his way out. He's like we're going to get you hooked up with some Adidas gear. How tall are you? He says five eight. So he's a five eight quarterback and he's the number one prospect in the country.
Speaker 3:And I know it's 1988, but come on, I think they they around.
Speaker 2:they said like a lot of the actors were shorter than him to try to make him look taller, but but yeah, they said five, eight yeah I probably heard that back then was like yes, by now we've already seen the uh, what's that called when somebody famous shows up and they're oh, the cameo cameo. We saw the kid. Thank you, jesus, sorry had a stroke. Yeah uh, jim mcmahon. Jim mcmahon is correct.
Speaker 1:We saw him do filming a commercial he was the man I I remember, like Jim McMahon and the Bears. That was like 85. They won the Super Bowl, but he was still very relevant when this movie came out.
Speaker 2:The Super Bowl shuffle. Yes, I mean yeah, for damn sure. I mean he was still playing and he was still very relevant. He was definitely marketing himself.
Speaker 1:He might have been at that time. He went from the Bears to the Eagles, or I think it was the Eagles. I know he didn't finish his career in Chicago, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:When they lost the defense there.
Speaker 3:Mailbag that Slacked off Mail sack.
Speaker 2:Speaking of mail sacks, no, I'm good. No, you got something. No, I thought, for whatever reason, I was thinking of the end of the movie, but we're good. Okay, the shower scene. Yeah, I was thinking of the shower scene. Yeah, it was actually the. Yeah, I was thinking of the shower scene, but that was actually in the beginning. Oh, what happened?
Speaker 2:in there well, no, because there's all these dudes. So they win the game and they're all in their pads. They're still all wearing their pads, they're. They brought chicks in there. Everybody's hanging out wet t-shirts everywhere. Coach gets the gatorade thing dumped all over him yeah, and then that's when cosell calls.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we forgot about that part.
Speaker 3:We did cosell and he's like nobody like who likes you anyhow, and he's like hangs up on him howard cosell smoking a cigar there shaking yes, yes, there's johnny walker there yeah, that phone was shaking man well, he had that, he had the parkinson. Is that what it?
Speaker 2:was, he had a bit of the parks in him. Yeah, makes a great martini, all right. The climax of the movie presents johnny with a pivotal decision on signing day a highly lucrative but morally dubious contract with a major university or an opportunity to choose a more modest path that aligns with his values and the advice of the people he respects. After coach hisler, wrong, wrongly speaking on Johnny's behalf, announces that both Johnny and he will be moving on to Piermont University, johnny's had enough. In an emotional confrontation, johnny rejects the corrupt offer, choosing instead to stay true to himself, his family and his friends.
Speaker 2:Johnny's decision sways the decisions of four other top contenders from his school, who all announce their objection to and rejection of Pyrmont University. The crowd goes bananas. In the midst of the chaos, that mysterious man who's been lurking about and following Johnny's every move reveals himself to be Floyd Gondal, an NCAA recruitment investigator. The three big universities are immediately called out for their violations of recruiting standards and, while the whole of the attendance is in disarray, we see Johnny, leo and Georgia walk away. Yeah, man, that was crazy.
Speaker 3:When they were recruiting him too. Remember they came to his grandfather. He used to sell like those lures they bought 10,000 of them yeah, 10,000, like jiggly wigglers or something. He was like what do you think they were? To catch fish? The guy's like oh, you hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1:You feel bad for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I felt Grandpa Walker.
Speaker 1:How about back to that Johnny's outfit when he gets back from LA?
Speaker 3:That's nice yeah, like the purple, the purple outfit yeah.
Speaker 1:With the Mercedes symbol and all that, you forgot about all that stuff.
Speaker 2:It reminded me of what he looked like when he came out of that bar from Weird Science.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:He didn't even have his license, Lisa.
Speaker 1:And then the other thing was we didn't talk about the Cadillac with the bullhorns on the front oh shit, that's right when he was down in Texas.
Speaker 2:So I, for one, used to own my first automobile. It was a 1968 Pontiac Catalina, and on the hood of that car I mounted bullhorns, Bullhorns yeah, where did you get those horns from?
Speaker 3:Is that like an order or something? Because there wasn't like Amazon back then.
Speaker 2:No, there was no such thing as the internets back then, at least not for us. I had gotten it. Ah, maybe it was just starting out. That was 92 or 93 I got that car.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there had to have been. No, I'm sorry you couldn't have found those around here.
Speaker 2:I got that car in 92. And I was Was it a farm show or something? It was at a Bull Ride Mania. Oh, that makes sense. At the farm show, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Bull Ride Mania that probably came in from Texas itself. It was like flown in Sunday.
Speaker 2:Sunday, Sunday.
Speaker 3:Be there, was that Bull Ride Mania Shit. Yeah, I thought that was Monster Truck.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm sorry, I went to Bull Ride Mania.
Speaker 3:I quoting monster truck. That's okay, sorry about that, but no another is so. Leo, he was leaning on. He was leaning on him because he wasn't rich or anything. He just knew that he could like get his best friend in.
Speaker 2:That's why I wanted to go to like these schools that's the thing, and he, since it's his best friend, he could yeah, it's like hey, work, work, get leo in there.
Speaker 3:That's correct, I got you.
Speaker 2:So everybody had everybody had their own motives. The coach had the motive that he wanted to move up in his career. Leo had the motive of dude, go to one of these fancy schools because you can get me in. I'm a shitty football player, but you can get me in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, he got a Jeep out of the one. Oh, that was a nice Laredo. Yeah, it was like a Wrangler, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, at a point in the not too distant future, we see Johnny running toward the office of state university's head coach. In the end, all Johnny really wanted was a good education and to play football. He begins his new life at the small college where he excels both academically and athletically. The film closes with a final football game, mirroring the opening scene, but in a different context. Johnny's team wins the game and he is celebrated not just as a sports star but as someone who made a brave and principled decision. During the closing credits we see the fallout and fates of the corrupt coaches and recruiters, including high school coach Hisler, who's now in jail yeah, hisler, who had pizzas delivered to his house for hitler yeah, I got 20 pizzas for hitler.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was the charge for that was like 200 and some dollars. Yeah, it was big money, it was a lot of, it was more than 20 pizzas. But yeah, he had, uh, that bill was 200 and some dollars. Now, 200 and some dollars back in 1988, I mean, that's some quid that was a great scene and I remember that part with the elephant, him punching the elephant.
Speaker 1:That was a little over the top.
Speaker 2:It was like I can't believe, like so funny yeah, it was funny, though why would the coach take a fire extinguisher, or whatever he did, and hose his whole house with all that foam?
Speaker 1:everybody down, yeah, and they had like, uh, like a bug, yeah, cockroach or some shit.
Speaker 2:What was that? Uh, exterminator yeah, he had an exterminator come in.
Speaker 1:They had like a bug sprayer, cockroach or some shit. What was that Exterminator? Yeah, he had an exterminator. Come in they had like that elephant. They had pizza delivery, they were drilling. I mean, they had, like, ordered every possible thing to disrupt this guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he ended up going to state university, right? Yep, so you wouldn't figure that as being that small of a school, like usually the state universities in any state are usually bigger universities.
Speaker 1:I just don't think it was as Well, I don't know, like, for instance, like in Texas, you have Texas, texas Tech, but then there is a Texas state which is small. They were just playing last weekend, oh OK, and they were like, I mean, they play, they were playing up playing these. Actually, they're pretty good.
Speaker 2:They're playing hack.
Speaker 1:They're playing hack, but uh, they were um.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so texas state necessarily so yeah, name doesn't mean. Doesn't mean you're a bigger school we're thinking of penn state and we're not even that. Yeah, like any any kind of.
Speaker 1:You usually hear the name and it's like usually the big state school you would think, but I guess with texas, yeah, texas state, if you know, they never really said what school yeah, they didn't say and they used uh like I know that one the Horny Toads. I think that's. Tcu is the Horned Frogs.
Speaker 3:That's Texas Christian.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know if they were mimicking them. And then the UCC obviously it was USC, but then Notre Dame they referenced Penn State.
Speaker 2:Alabama. Yes, they did say that. All the major schools, yeah. So for a second I thought they had said Kent State state, but no, they said penn state for dead in ohio, nice, oh, well done, matt, thank you.
Speaker 2:Oh, good reference. Oh, that's all. Yeah, uh, that's right, the kent state shootings. It is interesting. As you guys talk about, or we're talking about earlier, about, uh, nil stuff, the dynamic of getting you know young athletes to colleges has really been upended. I mean completely 100, just flip-flop, like there's no such thing, no need for a scholarship anymore, there's no such thing as any kind of perk coming out of a school. It's now all coming from, essentially, the booster club. It's all coming from the, the people that the donors, the, the, what's it called?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Alumni, alumni.
Speaker 3:You know who Deion Sanders is, everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his son.
Speaker 3:Yeah, both his sons actually just bought him a mansion in Colorado with the money they're making from college football.
Speaker 1:That's very nice. There's a receiver at Colorado. He's a junior, his name is Travis Hunter. He plays receiver and defensive back for Colorado, so he goes both ways. He goes both ways acdc he, he has, like it's something like over three million dollars in nil deals. Now he's in college, he's getting edgy, you know what I mean. So there's a lot of money you know what I mean to be made for these college athletes, but it's all.
Speaker 3:It's all booster money, like kind of how this thing was, like you know the, the Texas team, just money that they give.
Speaker 2:So what a difference in how much it's come around. So back in the day, like when this was happening, these kids, when they would go to school, if they were getting like, let's say, they were on a sports scholarship they couldn't work, they weren't allowed to do anything. Just look, you're here to play football, we're not risking anything. And if you work, any money that you earn is going to just offset the scholarship you're given, so it's just going to go back to the school. Nowadays, I mean, jesus, it's the complete polar opposite, like you had just mentioned. I mean, they're making millions while still in school.
Speaker 3:What were you going to say, Dave?
Speaker 1:There was a kid, a lineman, that I saw. This was a couple years ago, I think he went to alabama I think it was alabama or like a school like that and he had uh, I think it was like I forget what fast food chain it was or something. He was a like a heavier kid. There was some picture of him when he was like younger eating fast food or something like that, and they, before he even stepped on the college campus, like signed him for, like gave him a, um, an endorsement deal, nice, or like like a million or something like that.
Speaker 3:So it's just crazy like the amount of money these kids can make, crazy, basically, off of an endorsement kids these days too, or I think they're getting recruited in like sixth, seventh, eighth grade they're starting to like, sign and say yes. When I get to 11th grade, I will sign with whoever whoever?
Speaker 2:right, I always get, always get a smile when you're watching the football games nowadays and in the opening whatever the opening series, anything you see the names of the linemen and they say what college they were from or wherever they're from. Every one out of 10 is going to name a high school.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Some of them do that you need to see Key and Peele. That's a good one. Do the college All-Star game.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mingles, or what is his name?
Speaker 3:Mingles Jaleef.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mingles McCongleberry. Miles, Jacob Riley III University of Oklahoma yeah, that's always funny. Fun Facts oh, that's always funny.
Speaker 2:Fun facts. Oh, that is funny Fun fact time we went from funny to fun fact. Who wants to start off? Well, I gave away a fun fact at the drive-in movie, so what do you guys got?
Speaker 1:Well, like we talked about that opening scene or not opening scene, but scene in the beginning of the movie where the cheerleader was doing the flips and it was distracting the defense.
Speaker 2:Indeed, she did have nude colored underwear, so there was no nudity in that scene I got one, so was it you, dave, or possibly matt, that had mentioned introducing, uh, uma thurman? So, in fact, this was not uma thurman's first first role, despite despite being credited at the beginning as introducing uma thurman. Uh, her first movie was kiss daddy, good night who was that with?
Speaker 3:some perv sounds like it some perv called daddy oh, let's see.
Speaker 2:Oh, hey, did anyone notice that? Uh, so when they're doing that pickup game with, uh, the three cops, with the chief and the two cops, and then it's johnny and leo and uh, oh, what's his name? Uh, big cheese, big, that fucking fat dude, the guy, yeah, the criminal, that's right. Did anyone notice that, john? So when? When did anyone notice that johnny's hand is mysteriously no longer handcuffed behind his back when big Cheese runs off with the ball during that pickup game?
Speaker 3:Yeah, what happened there? I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the chief again had handcuffed. You're going to have to do it with one hand cuffed behind your back and all of a sudden Cheese has run off and his hand isn't handcuffed anymore.
Speaker 1:So maybe this was like a, a premonition or something like a nod to the future. So in the scene where anthony michael hall is playing drums in his, in his uh bedroom and football games on the little tv, there's a picture of charlie chaplin in the back right behind him, and then later on, of course like the poster yeah poster and of course, later on his friend robert downey jr would play char Chaplin in a movie and do an incredible job at that.
Speaker 2:That was a good movie. Yeah, it was a good one.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember liking it yeah.
Speaker 2:I respect it.
Speaker 3:Yeah for this movie. You would think a movie like this would have a bunch of little fun facts, but they really don't mention too much.
Speaker 1:There's not a lot yeah this movie was kind of.
Speaker 2:It seems like this movie was kind of just rushed and pieced together to just put out there and try to make some money with some known names.
Speaker 1:So that name that Robert Downey Sr used, that Floyd Gondoli, was also used by Philip Baker Hall's character in Boogie Nights Philip Seymour Hoffman no, philip Baker Hall. His character in Boogie Nights, philip Seymour Hoffman, no, philip Baker Hall. Oh, his character in Boogie Nights and Downey Sr was in that movie as well, but they used that same name, I guess, in that movie.
Speaker 3:Nice.
Speaker 1:The one from this Gondal, and they talked about Anthony Michael Hall and Robert Downey Jr, all the movies they were in together. So we had Weird Science, hail Caesar. You remember that?
Speaker 3:Remember that I know it exists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh go ahead and then they were on Saturday night live together, which I forgot about that. But there was a season of Saturday night live with with, like Robert Downey jr and anything Michael Holland, all those guys.
Speaker 3:Yep, no, the. I was trying to think like the. The soundtrack for this was like there wasn't the original, nothing really like stood out. But I guess they said the one song skin tight in this earned a nomination for a 1988 golden raspberry award as the worst original song, really. So, yeah, so nothing good came out of the uh soundtrack? I guess not, except for maybe the judas priest no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1:So an effort to maintain authenticity, which has surprised me. In the football scenes the producers hired real football coaches and players, the service consultants and extras, which I did not see. That like watching it in the beginning. It looked like basically, um, what was the one movie we were watching? Uh, the Goonies maybe, in the beginning, where they were showing like football practice, and then I was like man, it's not realistic looking, right. I just didn't think the football scenes were realistic, right but, whatever I mean, I didn't realize it till now.
Speaker 3:I'm older, looking back or when, uh, robert downey, leo's character runs the opposite way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then he turns and runs all the way back yeah, right, but uh, yeah, I mean there's not really a ton of fun facts. Like you said, this movie was not really received well, like on, like by critics and all that I can't imagine.
Speaker 1:Why honestly rotten tomatoes gave it like a horrible rating, but the audience meter I think was half decent, because I think like back then for kids, like if you were younger or whatever you might have liked it. I think if you were like a serious cinephile and you're like, oh, I'm in the movies, it probably sucked. Who did?
Speaker 3:who with the what?
Speaker 1:you know, people, people that are just.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought it was nothing like that weird kitty shit or something. What did you?
Speaker 1:say A cinephile. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Matt, why aren't you looking up cinephile? Because I asked real quick, okay.
Speaker 3:What is the flagrante delicto? The flagrante delicto.
Speaker 1:But unlike like Mannequin, like when watching that again I was like man, man. This wasn't as good as I remember, but johnny, be good, I still enjoy fun. It was fun. It was as fun as I remember, which I guess will get us to that part of the podcast where we late fee, return or burn.
Speaker 2:Who wants to lead off? Why don't you?
Speaker 3:lead off. You pick this movie, okay, yeah, um, late fee return. Uh, I would say like the late fee part, but as as a kid I probably because I'd be afraid of the late fee I I'd probably watch it again a bunch of times, have some friends over, come over in the morning, watch it and then return it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think as a kid I would late fee it Back. Then I really liked it. I remember really liking it. This time around I'd probably just return it. I'm not burning it, I mean, I'd still enjoy it. Like I said, Not as much, but much more than I did with Mannequin, Like as an example that just came up recently. This movie still decent.
Speaker 2:So I did not watch this as a kid. I can appreciate how both of you like this movie, because you did see it as a kid. Like you tell somebody today who might have never seen something like Three Amigos.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This is a great movie, you should watch this movie. You tell, oh, oh, even better, one of my favorites, uh, real genius. You tell somebody today who's never seen real genius, dude, you should watch real genius. They're not going to get that same feeling, that same feeling, that same love, that same nostalgia that that I would haven't watched it so much at that time.
Speaker 3:Well, there's a cheesiness to these movies today that didn't exist then, just because, like you said right, the the age that you were, the the way you're watching it and you thinking as a kid, all this stuff like this movie referring to, like football, oh I could be that good, I can get recruited. This is gonna happen. Real genius, like I'm a smart kid, like I'm gonna go to this really cool school and we're gonna like lasers yeah we're gonna make lasers and that's what I'm gonna do when I grow up.
Speaker 3:But, as as an older person, when you're watching these, you don't feel the same, because life has beat you down hell yeah you haven't. You haven't you know, bringing a white man down, it's just, it's just a wrong you. You're not in the right state of mind that's right your whole life has been halfway used up.
Speaker 3:I can't dude, I can't agree with you more seriously, I could not agree with you more but as a kid, there's nothing that's you know in your mind that you're like I can do this, and it's so real at the time that that these movies really bring that part. I bring out the nostalgia that you look back and be like man.
Speaker 2:I could have done that, so yeah, so there was a couple of things that stuck out in this. The first one I'll talk about is the. It wasn't just a couple of days ago I watched Twister, so that was out in the 90s. Yeah, the original, so this was out. Johnny B Goode was out in the 80s.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Not long ago, I'm sure I had seen a movie from the 70s. It is amazing to see the differences in cinematography and the feel of a movie from those particular like just.
Speaker 2:Decades, just the difference between those debt, those decades, hell, and it even changes in the 2000s. Like there's just such a difference in the feel again, the motion of the movie, the everything. That's just a side. Now back to the movie. Three things stuck out with me in this movie. One I didn't necessarily need to see robert downey jr reprise the same role that he basically played in back to school. Yeah, that was. In my opinion. It was the same role, same character, same character, same mannerisms, same everything, same goofball, same stupidity he was. It was the same character. We didn't do back to school, did we?
Speaker 3:not yet. Not yet. That's a good one, that's a good idea. You, that's a good one. But you're right, I see that. But that's probably why it was cast, probably Just like this guy already played it.
Speaker 2:That's right, we need a guy to play this part and we need something to liven this up. And why do we need to liven it up? Point. As a lead actor, I think he does well when he's accompanied or when he's sharing a lead, but not when he is the lead.
Speaker 1:Who could have played that part and pulled it off? Your guys' opinion.
Speaker 3:I thought he was good for it.
Speaker 1:I was trying to think of somebody at the time that was hot at that time and I did have a name in mind. I'll let you guys go.
Speaker 3:Who was Tom Cruise I'm thinking of like he did all the right moves.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking of like Lucas, who was was.
Speaker 3:Matt Dillon in no, not Lucas, that was Charlie Sheen, charlie.
Speaker 2:Sheen. So I would say Matt Dillon could have pulled this off. Mm-hmm, I think he would have been a good lead.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think the outsider screwed him up.
Speaker 1:I was thinking like Emilio Estevez, like somebody that's a little more like masculine. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:What do you think?
Speaker 1:I guess maybe because I'm thinking of like from the Breakfast Club, I think Anthony Michael Hall had a hard time.
Speaker 3:But he had like that California kid kind of look to him he did, but I'm picking up what Dave's putting down.
Speaker 2:He had been in nerdy movies or a nerdy role.
Speaker 3:Right, been in nerdy movies or a nerdy role like he played that court again, like the quirky kid from weird science, pretty in pink.
Speaker 2:The nerd kid from the breakfast club, the, that's right yeah, he was 16 candles 16 candles.
Speaker 1:That's right, he had a retainer and all that, and now he's the quarterback right yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2:It was tough to make that believable and I guess the third point for me in this movie, that the third thing I just didn't need or didn't like was just I don't know, that goofiness of the 80s. It just seemed like a low budget. It really did seem like a low budget movie, like almost overacting. If that makes a difference, I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 3:I think they didn't even really try to act. I just think they just had fun with the movie. I think they didn't even like really try to act. I just think they did like just had fun with the movie.
Speaker 2:So out of respect, I won't say that I burn it, but I would return it as fast as I could.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I like that part there, the like the point counterpoint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was that's not bad.
Speaker 3:I think that's an actual thing, like it was on cross.
Speaker 1:Yeah, point. One other quote I liked from this so when, um, they're in jail robert downey and anthony michael hall's character and a coach comes in and he goes look here, if you're looking for sympathy from me, he was how's he say, if you're looking for sympathy, that's between shit and syphilis in the dictionary, or is that something like that. He's like that's where you'll find it because you're not gonna find it with me. I was a guy, so he had a couple good in that Like. I like his speech in the beginning and then I like a couple of his lines.
Speaker 2:So his speech in the game in the beginning was very good. I enjoyed that a great deal to get those kids motivated.
Speaker 3:I got your hype for the movie. Yeah, you were like oh, I'm in it now.
Speaker 1:I think I'm where you're at, matt, on this, like the nostalgia probably made us like it lives ever right.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just time, it's just the way you know.
Speaker 1:Before life smacks you in the face, that's where I am and gives you a throat punch damn well, that too, and you saw like you guys are saying I gotta throw punch to the nuts right, I saw this before I was in high school, so it's kind of like, ah, I'm looking forward to it yeah, it's your hype to go to high school so I guess I gotta watch cocoon now and I'll be hyped you never saw cocoonoon yeah. I'm just saying, watch it now. That'll be like, oh, that's coming.
Speaker 3:That's the next step. That's the next step, isn't that with the old people?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, stephen King or something.
Speaker 3:No, no, I get what you're saying, yeah, but I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 2:It's like with the oatmeal guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a diabetes guy.
Speaker 2:You're right. They find these cocoons and they put them in the pool, and everybody jumps in the pool and they feel like they're 22 again.
Speaker 3:Everybody's exchanging STDs.
Speaker 1:So cocoons are like our 16th.
Speaker 3:It's like an old folks home.
Speaker 2:Dude, you guys know about that right About what STDs at old folks homes.
Speaker 1:Yes, down in Florida, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:They have the golf carts and they? They live in their little villages well, no, I mean that happens, but I'm just saying in any old folks home it doesn't necessarily have to be in florida well, no, but that's like the number one.
Speaker 1:Like there's like a county in florida, it's number one in the country for stds and it's because of these little communities of like over 55 okay and they basically live within these developments.
Speaker 3:The villages, yeah I think it's the radio station there they're crossing genitals.
Speaker 1:And everybody's just hooking up Gentles. Yeah, touching butts it's crazy that we're almost there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're working on it I blame Viagra yeah.
Speaker 1:There's that, but Matt, no man. Awesome pick, great for this time of year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm just saying it's, it's the fall. I mean you feel it in the air already. The the games have already started. College football you got pro football like three weeks in I just think it's a, it's a fun time to you know, just just a little, a little nostalgia for anybody that played, you know, football growing up and I don't know, it's just like a fun movie if you get a chance to check it out yeah, on a football note, check out on netflix it's about the michigan sign stealer that's good in college uh, did you hear about that?
Speaker 1:like it was like a couple seasons ago, michigan? Well, last season I think it was going on. Uh, they got caught with one of their guys I guess that was on their staff stealing signs from other teams like he was flying out the games and they have a it's on.
Speaker 1:Uh, netflix untold is the name of the series and it's one of the episodes. I watched it. It's great. If you're into that, you know football. Even if you're not into football, it's a great documentary check it out yeah, untold and just like untold. Michigan sign stealer or something but it's cool.
Speaker 3:This kid grew up a michigan fan yeah, and he's selling out his own team. No, no no, he, he took all the blame but but then he I mean all of a sudden he goes from and then he's like standing on the sideline but like even the things he went through, like writing, all that it is. It's very cool, it's a fun watch yeah, he, uh.
Speaker 1:He looked at the top 20 coaches of all time and they all went in the military. They were all in the military. So he's like well, I guess as well he went to be a good guy.
Speaker 3:He went to the naval academy it was.
Speaker 1:it's very interesting. So he's not a dumb kid, no.
Speaker 3:So that's why I like and he would see he's like they got four or five coaches on the side and which one do I pick out? Well, I pick out the one that the quarterback's looking right at Right right. He's like what's bad about that?
Speaker 1:But yeah, it was kind of neat. I liked it. It's very good man for the movie. So we'll find out. We'll leave them wondering here but they'll find out.
Speaker 3:I'll keep you guessing yeah, so it'll be the triple, the triple lindy edging. Maybe we'll edge them let them guess.
Speaker 1:So you guys got anything else I'm good. All right, matt you good, yeah, I'm good, all right, so I guess that's it. So, uh, don't forget to find us on facebook and instagram at old dirty basement on our tiktok, at old dirty basement podcast. On facebook, we still the movie list. Don't be afraid to add to that, and I guess that's it for now. So we'll catch you where.
Speaker 3:On the flip side.
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