V.C.R. Presents Mr. Mom (1983)

Ever wondered how a power-tool-wielding dad navigates the chaos of domestic life while hilariously juggling household chores? Travel back to 1983 with us as we explore the iconic film "Mr. Mom," where Michael Keaton masterfully embodies the role of Jack Butler, an engineer turned stay-at-home dad. With Terry Garr as Caroline Butler, the movie flips traditional gender roles on their heads during the economic uncertainty of the early 80s. We reminisce about Jack's unforgettable mishaps with rogue vacuum cleaners and race car beds, while also touching on the film's economic backdrop and its cultural legacy.

Fasten your seatbelts as we steer through the economic challenges of Detroit's auto industry during the Reagan era, where Jack's career takes an unexpected turn. The impact of layoffs and high-interest rates is brought to life through personal anecdotes and the comedic brilliance of the film. As we connect the dots between the past and the present, the laughter and camaraderie of workplace dynamics come alive, reminding us that while times have changed, some struggles remain timeless. Join us for a lighthearted yet insightful dialogue about how "Mr. Mom" captures the essence of balancing career shifts and family life.

We wrap up with a playful conversation about everyday routines and the peculiarities of home life inspired by the movie. From shower preferences and home improvements to the quirky phenomenon of ironing grilled cheese, our banter brings a fresh perspective on the humor and nostalgia of the 80s. With a nod to the timeless comedy of errors faced by stay-at-home parents and the intriguing dynamics of Jack and Caroline's relationship, we unpack the film's enduring charm. So grab your favorite blanket, recall those old-school TV slapping techniques, and join us for a nostalgic exploration of "Mr. Mom" and the broader cultural conversations it sparks.

Chapters

• 0:01 Vintage Cinema Review
• 7:24 Auto Industry Layoffs and Reaganomics
• 13:03 Shower Habits and Home Reviews
• 18:10 Stay-at-Home Dad and Tuna Marketing
• 26:43 Unemployment and Soap Opera Obsession
• 39:16 Childhood Memories and Family Dynamics
• 44:20 Infidelity Rumors and Workplace Drama
• 53:11 1980s Movie Analysis and Trivia
• 1:01:02 Gender Roles in 1980s Films

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

thanks for tuning in to the vintage cinema review on this week's episode.

Speaker 2: 0:04

We're covering from 1983, mr mom ah, this is a classic the story of a traditional breadwinner turned stay-at-home dad and a family put to the test when mom goes to work yeah.

Speaker 3: 0:15

So mom's the one working full-time. He's the one making dinner with uh with the iron, making some grilled cheese. Yeah, and uh watching out for the vacuum cleaner so it doesn't eat any of the kids.

Speaker 1: 0:24

Yeah, definitely so. We hope you're enjoying the podcast, speaking of which, if you are, leave us a five-star rating On Apple. You can leave us a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy. From 1983, mr Mom. Hey, this is Dave.

Speaker 3: 0:39

Matt and Zap, and welcome to the Vintage Cinema Review.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past.

Speaker 3: 0:47

Hey, there ain't no late fees here silence is golden and be kind rewind what you're throwing in there today, dave this is actually Zap's pick.

Speaker 2: 1:03

Oh, what do you got there, zap, one of my. I don't want to say a favorite per se, but it certainly does give me a smile and a great sense of nostalgia. Maybe I would call it a favorite, but that would open the swath up to so many big numbers.

Speaker 3: 1:16

Anyway, today, mr Mom, so this was a Zap pick. This wasn't on the. Was this on the um right in?

Speaker 2: 1:23

it might have been it might have been on the list actually come to think of it, and if it weren't, it should have been.

Speaker 1: 1:27

That's right yeah, so uh, mr mom, this is one that I remember too from back in the day. I really enjoyed it. It's been a while, though. Rated pg release date on this july 22nd 1983, with a running time of 91 minutes directed by stan dragati and screenplay by John Hughes that's a name we know. Hell yeah, produced by Lynn Loring, lauren Schuller and Aaron Spelling Another name we know Another name?

Speaker 3: 1:53

we know Tori Spelling's dad. Yeah, 90210, right yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:57

What else did he do? Melrose Place, maybe Probably One of all those. Yeah, One of all those, yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:01

He made a lot of money. Sure did yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:03

For sure that guy knows how to make the monies.

Speaker 1: 2:07

Budget on this one $5 million. Box office $64.8 million Not bad.

Speaker 2: 2:13

Yeah, that's big money, man. That's a hell of a return. Good job.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Mr Mom. So filming dates on this from January 17th to February 19th of 1983. And it was filmed, parts of it, in California and other parts of Michigan, detroit area, detroit city. Yeah, john Hughes is. Usually he likes to do Chicago, sure does Chicago area. So that's pretty much all I have for that fun stuff. I'll turn it over to Zap for the cast. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:40

All right, the cast of Mr Mom includes, but is not limited to, michael Keaton.

Speaker 3: 2:46

I'm Mr.

Speaker 2: 2:47

Mom, what I'm Mr Mom, I'm Mr Mom.

Speaker 1: 2:50

Oh, got it.

Speaker 2: 2:53

As Jack Butler, terry Garr as Caroline Butler, frederick Kohler as Alex Butler, talizin Jaffe as Kenny Butler, martin Mull as Ron Richardson, jeffrey Tambor as Jinx Latham, christopher Lloyd as Larry Tom Leopold, as Stan Graham Jarvis as Howard Humphreys and Jillian as Joan Carolyn Seymour, as Eve Miriam Flynn as Annette, patty Deutsch as the Deli Girl and good old Edie McClurg as the checkout lady.

Speaker 1: 3:37

And she was in what?

Speaker 2: 3:39

Vacation.

Speaker 1: 3:40

Like Vacation, was she in that?

Speaker 2: 3:41

No, ferris Bueller, edie McClurg was the secretary from, uh, the school in ferris bueller's day. Oh that girl. Okay. However, the one from christmas vacation was miriam flynn.

Speaker 3: 3:50

That was cousin eddie's wife yes, that's who I'm recognizing, okay eddie mcclure was also in um home alone, or no, no, she was in uh, planes, trains and automobiles yeah that's the clerk lady now I can picture her. Yes, the rental car, then you're fucked.

Speaker 1: 4:05

That's her. Okay, I was getting those two confused.

Speaker 2: 4:07

She also played Mrs Poole in Valerie, later known as Valerie's Family.

Speaker 1: 4:12

Was Jason Bateman in that? I can't remember Might have been, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 4:18

And Jillian was the lady from it's a Living.

Speaker 1: 4:21

Correct which will come up.

Speaker 3: 4:23

Yeah, they were about the what those waitresses or whatever, I just remember it used to be on TV when we were young.

Speaker 1: 4:28

Well, zap sent a text about that and it immediately unlocked that memory.

Speaker 3: 4:31

Cause.

Speaker 1: 4:31

I forgot totally about that show Dude.

Speaker 2: 4:33

Yeah, but uh, when you guys, when we were texting and the French Riviera she was like I think she was only in the first or maybe second season, because that show definitely went on.

Speaker 3: 4:45

Yeah, I don't think that's like a five, six season, or is it?

Speaker 2: 4:48

Oh, it might be Really. Yeah, I mean, it's a show that just writes itself. It's a bunch of waitstaff and a loungeman piano player named Sonny, at the skyscraper, the top floor of a big buildings restaurant.

Speaker 3: 5:05

They had the disgruntled chef guy making like the those funny faces.

Speaker 2: 5:07

It was like I don't know it was like mel's, mel's diner up in the upscale, upscale yep sweet.

Speaker 1: 5:13

So I guess that's it for that fun stuff.

Speaker 3: 5:15

We'll turn over to matt for a brief synopsis of uh yes, a brief synopsis of mr mom jack butler. Michael keaton is an engineer who works with his friends at an automobile factory in the Detroit suburbs. When he's laid off during the 1980s recession, he and his wife Carolyn played by Terry Garr switch roles. Carolyn finds a job in advertising and Jack becomes the primary caregiver of their three children, alex Kenny and Megan. Jack struggles to navigate the unfamiliar role of homemaker but eventually realizes that Carolyn does more than he imagined while he was away at work. From 1983, mr Mom.

Speaker 1: 5:52

Nice, it's nice. That's a nice little synopsis.

Speaker 3: 5:55

Yeah, okay, good, good podcast. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2: 5:59

Thank you, this was fun, but we've got to run. So I love this movie. I do. I Right this was fun, but we've got to run. So I love this movie. I do Like I really do. So it's actually thanks to my wife that I have such a high regard for this movie. She's just, whenever it's on, like for as long as I've known her like, she'll watch it over and over and over. So of course you know I'll sit around, I'll pop in and watch it and it just becomes a I don't know, it just becomes a mainstay. The nostalgia alone for me in this movie is worth it every time.

Speaker 3: 6:24

This is one that I really liked watching being older. I really didn't remember much of it as a kid, or much of it even. I know it was pop on TV every so often but I never sat down to actually watch the whole movie and it was one that was. It was a good pick. I liked watching it. It just brought a lot of like thoughts of when, you know, I had my kids and stuff like that, because my wife works and I think, like they're saying, mr Mom is not even really like a term anymore, because most wives do work.

Speaker 1: 6:51

This is a movie that I definitely remember as a kid watching. This was around the time that I probably you know, ET I saw at the theater. So ET, like I said, was one of my earlier memories. But, mr Mom, the iconic scenes like the bathroom, like him holding the baby up over the hair dryer or the hand dryer and those things, all those things I remember, uh, even beforei watched the movie. But yeah, like you said, watching it now as an adult gives you different perspectives, so definitely enjoyed it.

Speaker 2: 7:17

It really does all right, shall we go in? Let's do it all right, let's do this. Let's dive deep, all right. Our story opens in bustling Detroit, setting the stage for Jack Butler, a dedicated automotive engineer at Ford Motor Company. Arriving at work after his morning carpool, jack finds some of the workers on the assembly line concerned over potential cutbacks. His confidence and comfort in his employee are quickly disrupted when he and his engineering coworkers are the ones to fall victim to the looming layoffs. This moment sets an unknown future in motion for Jack and captures the initial sense of loss and confusion about one's place in the world. I mean, you guys ever lose a job Like yeah, I'm not saying like a high school shit, but like later in career, like this is a devastating blow, man.

Speaker 1: 8:08

Yeah, and with the auto industry it just seems like that was always going on in Detroit. You know, with the auto industry and stuff, I guess as automation happens and different things, it changes.

Speaker 3: 8:19

I didn't know it was a thing in the 80s. I didn't know there was a big during the early 80s like that, like a recession with the, the auto factories and things oh my god, yeah yeah, because that was part of like the whole movie. It was set at that time and I think they said that's why I was somewhat popular with you know, regular people yeah, dude, this was so.

Speaker 2: 8:35

This was absolutely relevant at the time. You had a mismanaged and lackluster late 70s, and it took the election of Ronald Reagan our Lord and Savior to bring us out of that recession. Thank you, reaganomics. But I mean, yeah, dude. So in the early 80s you had the fuel crisis or the result of the—.

Speaker 3: 8:56

That was in the late 70s, was the fuel crisis. Late 70s, but that— and then Reagan came in, like you said, and then the Reaganomics.

Speaker 2: 9:02

And then Reagan came in, like you said, and then the Reaganomics. That fuel crisis then impacted, I guess, monetary supply, or it happened at the same time with monetary supply or monetary policies, that all together, I mean there was a recession and then we had stagflation.

Speaker 3: 9:18

I mean it was just bad, dude, really bad Reaganomics was in at like a 36.9% like interest rates for housing at the time.

Speaker 2: 9:24

So you could buy a house in the early to mid 80s at a rate that was equivalent to what you could find now on a credit card. I'm talking like 18%.

Speaker 1: 9:35

Yeah, I know that my wife's relatives. They were saying about they had bought a house in like 1980, around this time and they were saying their interest rate was insane like that 18%, 19%, something like that.

Speaker 3: 9:46

But in this talking about the story, mr Moms.

Speaker 2: 9:50

Oh yeah, Sorry guys, Sorry I get obsessed.

Speaker 3: 9:52

Yeah, no, thank you for that. Yeah, that's what I said. Reagan was a great president. It's just that people had trouble with a little bit about the houses and the interest rates. But yeah, be it what it may. I like the part where you know cause Jack Butler is like what. Is he a manager or whatever at the auto factory?

Speaker 1: 10:11

Engineer yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:13

So he's trying to get in with, like the guys working on the floor Remember he was like cause they're in Detroit. He's talking about the lines. He's like man I'm worried about, like any unemployment lines.

Speaker 1: 10:20

Some Right, some things never change. I mean you still talk about that. That was pretty good.

Speaker 3: 10:24

Yeah, when a guy with a tie starts coming down and talking to like people on the floor, you're all like oh man he wants to get.

Speaker 2: 10:29

get down with it. Yes, he wants to get local.

Speaker 1: 10:31

That's one thing you can bond with, I think anybody on, no matter what level of an in a company. When employment level of employment you're in is football, guys usually seem to bond around that or sports in general and it always comes up in conversation. But I don't think he saw rocky, but I like too, in the beginning, the smooth jazz track that was playing in the beginning.

Speaker 2: 10:51

Oh, uh, the opening song, yeah, the music, dude. As soon as I heard that opening song, I I thought dude, this sounds like a soap opera, this sounds like a soap opera song yeah, it sounded like.

Speaker 1: 11:01

Uh, actually my wife she's like is that song? I forget now what song she was like a kenny g type style like that I don't even know what it was.

Speaker 3: 11:10

Yeah, it was cool though they definitely set the tone.

Speaker 1: 11:13

And then also in the very beginning, they show um like him getting the or her getting the kids up for school, and there's one of those race car beds in the kids room. I remember those. Oh yeah, that was a lot like. I remember wanting one of those in the worst way. I remember wanting one of those in the worst way.

Speaker 2: 11:24

Yeah, I never had one of those. In the worst way, I wanted one of those.

Speaker 3: 11:26

I didn't have one of those either. I don't think I know anybody that had one of those.

Speaker 1: 11:29

I didn't. Nick Swartzen had one in Grandma's Boy.

Speaker 3: 11:32

Yeah, but he was like 30-something.

Speaker 2: 11:34

The thing is it's so easy to make. It's just plywood. Yeah, you're just making a cut out of a box and then painting it, and painting it.

Speaker 3: 11:44

That was even one of the. What is that? Like a router, what are those things called? It goes, you can shape it and then two sides.

Speaker 1: 11:50

I don't think I'd be able to do that, I mean especially back in the 80s. I know my dad wasn't doing that.

Speaker 3: 11:54

But no, they had a factory. Do that for him.

Speaker 1: 11:59

Yeah, that was the 80s and a grandma's boy he had when Nick Swartz, and he goes. He's, like you said, in his 30s and he tells his friends to keep it down, keep it down. You're going to wake up my roommates. It's his parents, he's living at home. And then also there was the wife. Michael Keaton's wife says to him the shower is ready. I never heard that before. What's that mean? I think she probably got out of the shower.

Speaker 3: 12:22

She has it running for him Just so he can jump in.

Speaker 2: 12:25

You notice that he walked right in. So he walked right in with his pajama pants on, into the shower, into the shower, and it was all steamy and hot in there, so she set up like a sauna for him, maybe they got it preheated and ready to go for him.

Speaker 1: 12:37

Yeah, he explained that.

Speaker 3: 12:38

I guess he said oh, I got like an hour of sleep last night because they're saying because of the kids, and you know it's thoughtful, yeah, it is.

Speaker 2: 12:44

It's like you know, instead of your wife drawing you a bath, she just turns the shower on, but it gets all hot and steamy in there gets the shower ready.

Speaker 1: 12:50

Yeah, I just thought that was an odd thing to say. I don't know, I just never heard that before, do?

Speaker 3: 12:54

people bathe anymore. Is that even a thing like the and epsom salt, that type?

Speaker 2: 12:59

I was gonna say yeah, I could like I drew nice bath honey. I think chicks do that for like some kind of level of relaxation.

Speaker 3: 13:06

Every once in a blue moon, though it's not like a regular you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 13:10

No, you're not using that as your daily clean.

Speaker 3: 13:12

Yeah, you don't want that layer of filth just hanging there on top Filth.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Well, I tell you, you know, being in our late 40s, back sore, and I've been known to my neck and my back yeah, right to take, uh, take a hot bath. You know what I mean? Just sit in there and relax.

Speaker 3: 13:30

But I'm about to get like one of those things you just open up the bathtub so I can just walk in. Yeah, right, so I don't like it, I don't have to step in the danger it's like bath fitters yeah, I gotta call some bath fitter man.

Speaker 1: 13:42

You get to a certain age you don't even need a bath anymore sponge.

Speaker 3: 13:46

Yeah, that's gross, all right, is it? I don't know man, I'll take it yeah, right, true, if somebody else is like, if you're like in the hospital or something so I gotta ask, because there's a there's two schools of thought on this and we're talking about a shower, bath and shower.

Speaker 2: 14:03

So there are some people who will turn on the shower, turn on the, you know, the, the water on the tub, pull the, the stopper and then the shower comes on and then they get in at, they get in after the shower is going. There are other people who will step into the shower before it's even turned on. That's crazy and then get the blast of the shower hit them, you know, hitting them all at once yeah, but you don't have the adjustment yeah, I'm a pre.

Speaker 1: 14:25

Yeah, I like the, I like the pre the water. Yeah, the warm-up okay, I like a good warm-up before the shower because, you know, sometimes you turn it on, you get that cold at first, you know. Yeah, talk about shower. Do you guys wash your feet?

Speaker 3: 14:37

I'm reading a thing on this, yeah or do you just like naturally let the water that's already on the? You know know, does that wash your feet? Because it's like.

Speaker 1: 14:44

No, I take the. You know I rub it down.

Speaker 3: 14:47

See, that's too dangerous, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 14:49

I definitely scrape the bottom of my feet with the scrunchie or the washcloth, all right. I am also. I shower opposite you guys. I take the blast.

Speaker 3: 14:59

Oh, I don't do the pre, you don't do the pre, you don't do the pre.

Speaker 2: 15:02

I get in turn it on.

Speaker 3: 15:03

All out.

Speaker 2: 15:04

I get in, turn it on, pull that plug and away it goes.

Speaker 1: 15:07

Do you face it?

Speaker 2: 15:08

or look the other way.

Speaker 1: 15:09

Face it, bro. Oh okay, how am I going to pull that backwards? That's some twisted-ass shit. Well, I mean turn on and turn around.

Speaker 3: 15:21

Let it hit your back. Know, it's kind of warm. You feel it a little bit. Then you walk in with yeah, you usually walk in and face the back of the yeah, I'll let it hit the back, oh real um, I can't say real quick anyway, but um you can say all you want no, no. We went to the parade of homes like and and the showers you could fit. It's like a country club shower it's like the size of the old dirty basement.

Speaker 2: 15:43

So so for those of those out there, it's insane For those of you out here who are not familiar with the Pareto homes in central Pennsylvania. Every year, varying builders get together and they showcase their recent builds just in time for essentially moving season. Right. So you're. You're doing this now, at the end of the summer, at the beginning of school. You want to get the people all hyped on what's going to happen. Also, houses don't shift that well over the winter, so it's like look, let's sell these, johns.

Speaker 2: 16:09

Let's, let's be done. Let's, let's go. So across the area, varying builders, varying developments will showcase their best of the best, and the parade of homes highly recommend it.

Speaker 3: 16:20

You get some great ideas yes, exactly what it's for ideas, because people aren't going buying two and.5 million, $1.5 million.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Matt's going to convert his third or fourth bedroom into a walk-in shower after that experience.

Speaker 3: 16:33

Well, no, it is cool. There was one that had two big shower heads on top that were the size of a bucket shower head, and then it had two showers on the sidewalls. But it was a open floor plan so you could walk in one side and walk out the other. It was just like a little part in the middle that you use the knobs and everything, but it had like a part that would go like up and down so you could stand there and it would shower Like you would stand there and it was like a car wash on both.

Speaker 3: 16:58

It was insane.

Speaker 2: 16:59

That's a bit much we should do a review of car wash.

Speaker 3: 17:06

oh, that's a good flick, yeah, not the remake, the og all right, just like the original. Mr mom the movie is there a remake? No, I'm just saying we're talking about mr mom.

Speaker 2: 17:15

Yeah, the movie somewhere somewhere, somewhere here, all right so anyway, back to back to mr mom, all right. With obvious concern for their family's financial future, caroline, jack's wife, considers reentering the workforce. I'll bet you a hundred to one I get a job first, says Jack. A swift flash forward reveals that Jack lost that bet. As Caroline lands a new opportunity in, of all places, the advertising sector, a traditionally male-dominated industry. With Caroline off to work, we see the beginnings of a significant shift in their household dynamic. Caroline is now the one who receives the traditional kiss goodbye in the morning and Jack receives his first honey-do list.

Speaker 1: 18:02

Yeah, little role reversal there. Yeah, so that when he's dropping the kids off at school, you're talking about the ford motor company and that's. They showed out like a close-up of the car window, like the side window and head, and I totally forgot about that. Get it together, this the little sticker. Get it together with the seat belt. Yeah, and I was on like all those cars back I do remember that, I do remember that.

Speaker 1: 18:22

So as soon as I saw that I'm like, oh yeah, I remember those on all the cars back back in the day.

Speaker 3: 18:26

That was like a ltd wagon or something he was driving, likely, yeah what uh made me laugh about this part was the pickup lines at school. I didn't know they were that messed up in the 80s as they are now.

Speaker 1: 18:36

Things don't change, yeah it never changes.

Speaker 3: 18:38

Like anytime. You wait to go somewhere, even at the school, like my kids. You wait like on the road to even try to make the right, to get in, to make another right to get in, to get in the line to pick up your kids, but then you're like avoiding buses and then people are like cutting in front. It's, it's insane. But it was the same way in the 1980s.

Speaker 1: 18:54

Yeah, I don't know. You know, I wish kids more. Kids would just ride the bus.

Speaker 3: 18:59

It'd be easier become a thing I was never a car rider. I would walk were you a car rider, is that?

Speaker 2: 19:03

what? The only, the only time I was a car rider was once you got your car yeah, once I got my license once you got your license. That's when I stopped riding a bus.

Speaker 3: 19:10

Yeah, and I turned into like a bus you did I would go stop at the turkey hill there and go down that was the way it worked down through high spire. Yeah, that was a good. That was a good time if anyone has a car.

Speaker 2: 19:19

and then once I got my car, it was the same thing. Like you would come pick me up, I would come pick you up. It's just that, and then you'd pick up other people along the way.

Speaker 1: 19:28

Yeah, I would walk to school when I was younger and then, as I got older, then I started driving.

Speaker 3: 19:32

But yeah, that's the whole thing. I never remember like being, or even where I went to school in Middletown for Seven Stars. There was not a pickup like Like a car rider line no no. You just hopped your ass on the bus.

Speaker 2: 19:43

Hell yeah, get on the bus, yeah, man.

Speaker 3: 19:45

These kids today spoiled.

Speaker 2: 19:47

Spoiled as hell, Spoiled, rotten. It was one big takeaway I had from this section is again as Caroline's running out the door and you know, wish me luck and I'm nervous and blah, blah, blah. Oh my gosh, It'll be okay, Jack just blows of. Oh you know, homemaker, I get to stay home.

Speaker 1: 20:03

It'd be easy. Here's this list of shit to do.

Speaker 2: 20:05

This will be easy. This is a no brainer I can get. This is easy. Yeah, Little did he know.

Speaker 3: 20:12

All right, that's. All I ever wanted in life, though, was to be a stay at home. Dad Dude, I would, I would love that. I would actually love that.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Doesn't always work out like Stupid bills, all right. Caroline's first day at work is met with timid hesitance as she arrives to find a smoke-filled conference room full of marketing executives bewildered over what to do next for their prized client Schooner Tuna. Will her experience as a homemaker prove to be a benefit for a tuna company losing market share? Losing market share? Meanwhile, jack confronts his new reality with reluctant obliviousness, as his first day at home encapsulates a myriad of mishaps, from failing to follow proper drop-off etiquette at his son's grade school to all sorts of hijinks at the grocery store, to bathing his two boys that night and neglecting to remove their socks and slippers. Jack has a lot to learn. Fortunately for him, while he was at the grocery store earlier that day, he'd run into joan, a divorcee and a local friend of the family, who seems more than happy to help. Oh, she's so happy. Yeah, she's too happy. So a lot to unpack in this segment. So we talked briefly about the drop off at the thing. Dad, you're doing it wrong. Yeah, you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Yeah, the lady you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 2: 21:29

You enter from the north in the morning, enter from the north, and then we pick up, enter from the south. Let's see, oh, the grocery store was hilarious, hilarious, oh like the kid switcheroo and the kid switcheroo, that he the lady at the deli counter going through every possible ham, every possible cheese, every possible everything she's even like mentioned blue go to cottage. Yeah, you're like what cottage would you scoop? I didn't. Who goes to the deli to get a scoop of cottage cheese? Is that even corns? Does corns have that?

Speaker 3: 21:57

or foxes, maybe, I don't think so that uh conference room too.

Speaker 1: 22:03

The smoke loved it. That was probably just how it was in the 80s.

Speaker 2: 22:06

I can promise you that's exactly how it was.

Speaker 1: 22:08

And then they had Domino's, kfc, like all this food out on the table, everybody's smoking.

Speaker 3: 22:14

I mentioned that too. Yeah, all the smoke everywhere McDonald's. Smoke was great, they had McDonald's on there.

Speaker 1: 22:19

I mean that just kind of went hand in hand back in the day Like coffee cigarettes.

Speaker 2: 22:23

Coffee cigarettes. That's exactly how it should be done.

Speaker 3: 22:27

I think in the 80s they were kind of getting away from the scotch and whiskey in the meeting rooms.

Speaker 2: 22:33

From the 60s and 70s.

Speaker 3: 22:34

Yeah, like the Mad Men type era, but yeah, they were still smoking Smoke if you got them in.

Speaker 1: 22:39

I wonder if that production was better, like smoking, like thinking Sure.

Speaker 2: 22:45

You that like uh, production was better like smoking, like thinking. Sure you know what I mean, you don't. So you don't have the nicotine heads like me getting all antsy in a panty and scratching their arms, getting needing their fix, thinking about how long it's going to be until they could get out of the building especially in an ad agency, like if you're smoking you had to smoke it just seems like you'd come up like an idea would sound cooler yeah, cigarette, you know what I mean just like I said cooler yeah, no, I don't but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 23:06

If you're pitching an idea but you got a cigarette hanging out your mouth, it almost seems visually like it's a better idea look here and then you flick the ash.

Speaker 3: 23:15

Yeah, you flick the ash after you like.

Speaker 1: 23:16

Make a point right, yeah, that'd be cool. But yeah, that scene there.

Speaker 3: 23:19

I had to laugh at that I'm sure, depending on the money in the company. I'm sure, if you want to smoke sometimes oh yeah, wherever depending on who they are it'll probably come back around.

Speaker 1: 23:27

Yeah, I wonder like everything.

Speaker 2: 23:30

So, dave, you're a fan of checking out prices oh yeah, did you see the prices in the grocery store?

Speaker 1: 23:35

you know, oddly enough, I didn't god damn anything down, but uh, I you know what. There was one that I could.

Speaker 2: 23:41

I think it was the soda. I thought I saw new york strips for a dollar 99 a pound yeah, I didn't notice that the sodas weren't.

Speaker 1: 23:47

I couldn't tell if they were for like a case or like uh, like a two liter or what the deal was, but the price didn't seem they have cases of soda in the 80s.

Speaker 3: 23:55

I don't think that was a thing. I think it was like a six pack was the most you could get.

Speaker 1: 23:58

Might have been like a six or twelve, yeah, or 12 pack at the Maybe at the grocery store.

Speaker 2: 24:03

Yeah, I know you could go to beer and soda distributors.

Speaker 3: 24:08

Yes, that's where you would have to get a case back in the day. You couldn't get them at, I don't think the grocery stores.

Speaker 2: 24:13

I'm curious. I am more curious as to whether they were still selling, and I didn't look. But was Coca-Cola being sold in the two-liter bottles? Were they glass or were they plastic in 83?

Speaker 1: 24:22

I would imagine glass, glass.

Speaker 2: 24:24

But I could be wrong on that. I do miss those plastic Johns that had the black, oh, the cap at the bottom, little beverage mirage at the bottom. You never knew how deep it was, how much soda was left. It was like two inches of black plastic.

Speaker 3: 24:36

And they would be like the thicker, longer yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:39

You could turn it. I remember my mom used to get those and like cut the. She would pull that shit apart and then she would cut the top off of the thing.

Speaker 1: 24:48

I thought you were going to say to make babies have an ashtray, yeah right, nice here you go, John. Thanks, mom I love you.

Speaker 2: 24:58

She would pull that all. She would pull it apart and clip the top off, where you would have the screw top, and then she would flip the plastic into the clear plastic, upside down into the black plastic and she would have these little.

Speaker 3: 25:10

She would make it a greenhouse.

Speaker 1: 25:11

Oh, okay, cool, she'd fill it with dirt and, you know, put a fucking plant in there, do whatever remember when they would have like under the cap, like giveaways, and you had to peel the little rubber thing, like the little thing underneath such a pain in the ass to get to get at it you would either have to use a butter knife, yeah, or you would rip your fingers apart doing it, yeah damn and you get like one free soda or something, are the ones where you have to put like a.

Speaker 3: 25:31

It'd be like coca-cola is the most delicious. You had to like spell out oh yeah, remember, like I do remember, put the words together, you'll get like a free 12 ounce or something, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 25:41

Always games advertising man, yeah so joan yeah yeah so joan has, uh, joan, I guess he finds his kid. Megan is the kid right there, the baby yeah, baby megan, baby megan, down in the well, that's jessica. So he finds his kid with this joan broad, played by angelian, and I remember hearing him pulling away, or I remember seeing him pulling away and, uh, what's her name? Uh, annette says to joan he's married, so where we want, yeah, right, yeah, so he knows, you know what's up, she knows what she wants, but she's.

Speaker 3: 26:15

She's also like good friends with his wife right, yeah, yeah but she's, she was showing the cleavage. She was like sporting that walk you know this.

Speaker 2: 26:23

You know it's one of them things where you want what you can't have, so she's probably like sure I'm gonna get this guy sure caroline's first day at work was clearly a success, as one of the managing partners himself, ron richardson, arrives the next morning in his limousine to take her to the company jet to pay a visit to schooner tuna.

Speaker 3: 26:43

Now that's a job, dang I know she got a good job. He ain't got work no more, he's got it on easy street yeah right With a chainsaw in hand.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Jack's attempt at making a manly first impression doesn't go over well with Caroline's wealthy boss, who can't seem to remember Jack's name. Meanwhile, jack's day is filled with yet another number of chaotic moments as the new homemaker, a washing machine gone awry, simultaneous visits by the TV repairwoman, exterminator and plumber, a vacuum cleaner, jovially named Jaws, that seems to have a mind of its own, and a baby who's since been fed a bowl of chili, similar to the day before Caroline once again returns home much later than anticipated. One wonders if this is simply the result of the demands of her new job, or is it her boss keeping her late for his own?

Speaker 3: 27:38

devious plans. What are you saying? She's out gallivanting. She's gallivanting, something's going on.

Speaker 2: 27:43

She's stopping at the bar on the way home. I know that trick.

Speaker 3: 27:47

Martin Maul I guess they said him and Michael Keaton were sitting around at that part where he comes in with the chainsaw and stuff. He's like, yeah, I'm going to do some electrical work and stuff in here.

Speaker 2: 27:57

And he goes what are you?

Speaker 3: 27:58

220 in there, and he's like 220, 221, whatever it takes.

Speaker 1: 28:01

Whatever it takes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:02

But I guess they say it's a big term used with contractors and stuff today to see if they know what people are talking about all the time they act like it, all of the time they 100. That's all, which is a cool line indeed, what was with the chain?

Speaker 1: 28:14

like, do you guys have a chainsaw, either of you? Yes, okay, because in every 80s movie everybody was a chainsaw. Sure, even in uh, it was a christmas vacation, yeah a lot of trees in the 80s so I guess.

Speaker 2: 28:24

So there were mature developments back then. I live in a mature development. There are place, big ass trees and stuff. I'll also go just cut trees down. I'll help buddy of mine, buddies of friends of mine, cut trees down.

Speaker 1: 28:35

Yeah, I know they said for that chainsaw there was some trick they did to so it's the bar lock. Yeah, they kept the chain from moving.

Speaker 2: 28:42

That's right it basically puts the thing in for lack of a better word, neutral that the engine proper won't engage the pulley system that runs the the chain.

Speaker 3: 28:52

I hate that in all 80s movies, even some 90s movies, where they do stuff with the chainsaw like even a christmas vacation really cuts the thing. Yeah, but like the chain's not even moving. He's like you're like, come on, stop it. Yeah, stop it with the chainsaw stop it, you're just faking it.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Enough nice chainsaw. Oh so I guess babies aren't supposed to eat chili. I don't know, I don't have kids.

Speaker 1: 29:12

Not at that age, not at that age.

Speaker 3: 29:13

Wouldn't it be good for the belly? A lot of pooping.

Speaker 1: 29:16

I know things changed a lot, obviously from the time we were born and babies to when I had kids and Matt can maybe vouch for it. But when my kids were born, all of a sudden, like they can't have this, they can't have that, like allergies and you got to wait till this. You know they hit this age to feed them certain things.

Speaker 3: 29:35

Or to this age you got to sleep on their side. Or to this age they have to. Yeah, you can't eat. I know honey's one of the things that can't have.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Honey, yeah, it's like honey you got to wait, like I talked to, my mom was first born and I was telling her these rules. She's like I gave you that, you know whatever man. It's like no, you know, never, really back then you didn't care, you shit man.

Speaker 2: 29:53

I had a bottle of milk and I washed it down with a cigarette afterwards yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 29:56

No, that's what you look at like um look at all of the mom pictures the pictures of like our uncles and aunts and our parent like with us or holding us. They got a cigarette in one hand beer like a bottle of beer in the other. Yeah, and, and that was just how it was.

Speaker 2: 30:07

That's what's up.

Speaker 3: 30:08

And we're still here.

Speaker 2: 30:09

Those were the good old, and you know what? We're stronger for it.

Speaker 1: 30:12

Yes, we are Yep.

Speaker 2: 30:14

The next day, with a slight glimmer of hope, Jack visits a job placement agency, but soon learns that there are no jobs available anywhere in the vicinity. When the weekend arrives, the Butler family attends the annual field day on the grounds of Ron Richardson's estate. After being provoked to participate, Jack takes one for the team by intentionally losing a madcap marathon and allowing Ron Richardson to win. Time marches on and the next thing you know, Jack is now sporting a beard and remains unemployed. Jack is now sporting a beard and remains unemployed, and despite his misgivings about it early on, he's now glued to watching his daily soap opera, the Young and the Restless.

Speaker 1: 30:58

I don't know about you guys, I've never got into soap opera. I've never really had. I mean, not that I'm home usually at that time, but there was a time my first job out of high school, when I was working at a pizza shop, general hospital would be on in the afternoon and everybody would be there watching it. Like every day they'd put it on and they'd be like, oh, this is going on, that's going on, and I'm you know, I'm trying to get into it. I just couldn't get into it. Yeah, like. But I know people like they would get addicted to these uh soap operas and like totally get tied up in the, the drama and all that I think they're looking for more of the the housewife type but these were dudes I was working with into it.

Speaker 2: 31:37

So I grew up watching days of our lives. My mom was a stay-at-home mom until I was in school, like full-time uh-huh. So basically after kindergarten, right. So from first grade on my mom went back to work and I remember growing up watching days of our lives. Hell, I learned about the birds and the bees watching days of our lives.

Speaker 1: 31:55

Yeah, yeah, I just I would do.

Speaker 3: 31:58

We didn't get to that part in the movie, but I remember he's like living it in his head yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:02

So not even that, though, but like I enjoyed that show so much growing up and I mean from as a little kid, so that days off or whatever I would watch days I broke away from it for a while, like you know, high school, even grade school At some point I just broke away from it. But then in my first year of college I ended up or I'm sorry, after high school that summer, and then into college I was dating this broad who, as chance would have it, loved days of our lives yeah, so I got right back into it, dude I'm telling you one week of watching it and I was already caught up on the show.

Speaker 1: 32:36

Yeah, I just couldn't get into it. I don't know. I just like those guys loved it. They would talk about the one guy, sunny. Oh, this is going on with him and this and that and the storylines, and I'm like, no, it's not not for me. Put mtv back on.

Speaker 2: 32:49

I found it interesting with the role reversal that Michael Keaton is going through, and there's the Jack Butler is going through when he's sitting at that temp agency or that job agency With the recipes. With the recipes he's like you get two pounds of ground round, lean and lean, and mean you sauteed in some butter. Well, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 33:10

Could you use?

Speaker 2: 33:10

margarine with that?

Speaker 3: 33:11

yeah, because well I prefer butter, but I guess you could. That was saying it. Yeah, maybe because, like these guys are in the same situation, like you know, we all we've been doing is like cooking, cleaning don't we got yeah we're just homemakers right now because there's no jobs ain't no job got no car, ain't got no job you're fucked, dude.

Speaker 2: 33:26

These guys were fucked, though. Man. It was look, dude man. Tough times, man. Unemployment was awful.

Speaker 3: 33:31

Everything was bad, man, it was really bad but but with jack, like his wife is on a job where she's getting a limo and private jets like she was definitely making a shit ton more because, remember, she also mentioned her raise yeah he's like oh ray, they're going. I don't know that, but look, so she's making a shit ton of money. You don't really have to do much.

Speaker 1: 33:49

He's a couple years away from like Tecmo Bowl and all that shit coming out.

Speaker 3: 33:52

Like Nintendo.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Just imagine like your wife was working and you had that. The NES came out and you can get. Just I'm looking at one right now and I would just stay home all day and play video games Like Jack got the golden ticket.

Speaker 3: 34:03

Man, he's really trying too hard, right?

Speaker 2: 34:05

He really did. If my wife would share her money with me, I would quit working. Alas, she won't.

Speaker 3: 34:12

Wait, people share money. No, I just hope they would, but no, not in the real world, zach.

Speaker 2: 34:21

The marathon at Richardson's Estate was pretty interesting, like three-legged race and riding the little tricycles and then running around for the finish line, type shit.

Speaker 1: 34:30

Is there a name for that style of house with the like the wood?

Speaker 2: 34:34

and tutor, tutor. That's what it is.

Speaker 3: 34:36

That was big in the 80s.

Speaker 1: 34:37

That's like rich people's homes it's exactly what I was going to say in all those 80s movies, like even in the 16 candles.

Speaker 2: 34:42

That was jake's house. It's a real nice touch. Yeah, the tutor house is really the tutor. Finish is a really nice touch.

Speaker 1: 34:48

I guess. Now, though, it's probably rotten, rotten out the wood and all that if they don't keep up with it If they don't keep up with it.

Speaker 3: 34:54

You don't see many Tudor homes. For that reason, I think they just they for damn sure don't build them anymore. Yes, I think the older ones, too, are just replaced with whatever's new or up to date, Right right.

Speaker 2: 35:12

Once again, caroline is working late. Meanwhile it's poker night at the butler house, poker, poker.

Speaker 2: 35:15

I just met her. Yeah, and all the local ladies have arrived to ante up their clipped coupons. In the midst of joan flirting with jack showcasing her sweater kittens, caroline comes home and is none too happy that jack has become so involved with the neighborhood broads. In the midst of their arguing, caroline takes a cheap shot at Jack, pointing out his recent weight gain. Jack is relegated to the couch for the night, where he dreams of a soap opera-centric affair with Joan and an angry Caroline who inevitably shoots him.

Speaker 3: 35:48

Yeah, because Joan's nice to him. Yeah, and Caroline's calling a him yeah, because Joan's nice to him. Yeah, and Caroline's calling a fatty. She's a big fatty, she's dead. You got a beard and you're smelly and your t-shirt's walking.

Speaker 2: 35:56

That's right, that shirt could walk on its own. You're fat, and what's with the beard?

Speaker 1: 36:00

Yeah, I mean that's me after like a week vacation near the end of the week you know I laughed too in that scene. Like they referenced again, she goes Martin Mould, is what'd you use? A 38? She's like 38, 39, whatever works.

Speaker 2: 36:12

I owed back to what he said earlier Exactly, oh, speaking of which there was a part of that scene that actually my wife pointed it out too. It was really interesting. So the kids are playing out this is in that dream sequence and somebody says what about the kids? And Caroline says, says they're playing outside.

Speaker 1: 36:33

It's pouring rain outside, it's absolutely pouring rain there's no chance, those kids are outside I didn't even catch that, but that uh coupon poker uh got me thinking about a movie I just saw recently within the past six months.

Speaker 1: 36:46

It's called queen pins okay and it's based on a true story. It's with kristen bell and this, this girl in the movie and I it's called Queen Pins, okay, and it's based on a true story. It's with Kristen Bell and this girl in the movie and I don't know. I mean it's based on a true story. So I don't know how much of it is actually like they did in the movie, but she had a whole coupon scam going and she figured it out because I think it was like one of her friends. She got like a bogus product, like something, and they were like well, just call the company or like send them an email and they'll probably give you a coupon for a free replacement or whatever. I think it was like laundry detergent and she got it. Sure enough, they sent her a thing for like two free things. She's like oh, it's that easy. So she started scamming all these companies and complaining and getting these coupons for free stuff.

Speaker 1: 37:30

Well, that snowballed into her finding out who prints the coupons Jesus Christ and she got in on like this illegal thing and they were printing these illegal coupons and it was like a whole scam going on.

Speaker 3: 37:39

Illegal coupon? I never even heard of such madness.

Speaker 1: 37:41

They were. They were doing it all via like a PayPal account or Venmo account, one of those types, and there was like millions of dollars moving into these accounts and they were like whoa, whoa, this is growing way too fast. Jesus christ, it was a really cool movie like, but the coupons got me thinking about that speaking of coupons the uh, I got two now the.

Speaker 2: 37:58

There was this one woman with whom I used to work. She was a coupon freak like she would love, love, love getting the sunday paper and she would, I mean, methodically go through the Rite Aid circular, the CVS circular, the grocery store, all of them.

Speaker 3: 38:13

You guys said coupons correct, or is it coupon?

Speaker 1: 38:16

It's either.

Speaker 2: 38:16

Coupon coupon this is central Pennsylvania. It's like Cricker Creek.

Speaker 3: 38:20

Yeah, coupon, I think is central PA Coupon, coupon, coupon.

Speaker 2: 38:24

So she would clip the coupons, or coupons she would do. Look at everything she could possibly do with these bonus points for right aid or cvs, like get all of this free shit, like all of the time dude, it was like she was obsessed with this shit it was like a show like called, that wasn't it like extreme couponing, or there was a whole show about that shit.

Speaker 3: 38:43

Yeah, there was like a couple seasons of that and then like giant.

Speaker 1: 38:46

You can get like a triple coupon yeah like triple up and all that, so I'm sure you can get there's people. I know that they just go stock up on shit because it's free, sure, and they'll have like shelves like I got down here full of toilet paper or whatever.

Speaker 3: 38:58

Yeah, but a little fun fact on that scene was uh, I think john hughes actually did that a coupon coupon poker thing, with a group of wives or whatever. So that was actually something from his life really. Yeah, a little little fun fact there that's interesting.

Speaker 2: 39:11

I'd never heard of that or thought of that until this show. I'm sorry, until this movie, but not for nothing. Joan had a couple of banger coupons, one of them, specifically $2 off a Domino's Pizza.

Speaker 3: 39:22

Yeah, that's a good one, how much was a Domino's Pizza in 1983?

Speaker 1: 39:25

I can't imagine much, because now you get them for like five bucks, Correct yeah so it's like a dollar.

Speaker 3: 39:30

Yeah, three dollars is now a dollar.

Speaker 1: 39:32

I remember back when I played poker in high school. I was happy if I could get Hardee's breakfast in the morning Hell yeah, I'd be out there playing all night. Just if I made like two bucks I'm good to go. We'd play guts.

Speaker 2: 39:43

That's right, guts, I. I remember this with great fondness.

Speaker 3: 39:46

Would play till like three, four in the morning. Sometimes It'd be early in the morning and I'd just go for breakfast Sun's coming up, yep, and then go home and crash. Dude Joan was just giving it away at the Pogarty. Oh yeah, she was showing a lot of the cleavage again. That was her secret weapon.

Speaker 2: 40:00

She leans over to Jack with the hand like right above her chest. She's like are these any good, good?

Speaker 1: 40:06

he's a strong-willed man, he is man he's in love, he's.

Speaker 3: 40:10

He loves his wife, indeed, indeed I can't.

Speaker 1: 40:13

I mean I'd say I. I think us three would be the same. Of course you know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 40:17

Most good men are like that, but see, just saying the women see us and they know that we have this podcast right, they try their.

Speaker 1: 40:24

They want cannery, they want what they can't have.

Speaker 3: 40:26

I'm constantly in that situation now With their evil cleavage moves.

Speaker 1: 40:30

You're right, cleavage moves. Tell me again how many downloads.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Yeah. The next day I heard a commercial on your podcast the next day. Jack's had enough of laziness and self-pity. He shaves his beard and begins to take pride in his work as a homemaker. He now dominates all appliances, tends to a multitude of long-standing indoor and outdoor chores and even finds time to have a man-to-man talk with his youngest son, kenny, about his addiction to the blanket that never leaves the young boy's clutches the whoopee. The whoopee to the blanket that never leaves the young boy's clutches the whoopee.

Speaker 1: 41:08

The whoopee yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:10

Jack culminates the day by preparing a fine Chinese feast and an intimate dinner for himself and Caroline, who once again remains at work much later than expected. When she finally comes home and finds what she'd missed the two kiss and make up for their previous night's argument and all seems right with the world. They made the sex For now. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 41:34

They made the sexy time they did.

Speaker 2: 41:35

It is to be clear, it is alluded to yeah, they didn't get there. It is assumed that they did the nasty.

Speaker 1: 41:45

Yeah, did the nasty.

Speaker 3: 41:46

This was another the montages I was saying. I think I texted you guys about that today, yeah, yeah, saying like the great montages, great montages. And did you see the poster in Kenny's room?

Speaker 2: 41:55

Rocky III.

Speaker 1: 41:56

Yeah, I did, it was a Rocky.

Speaker 3: 41:57

III, but Eric Hipple, Eric Hipple.

Speaker 1: 41:59

Yeah, who the hell's Eric Hipple.

Speaker 3: 42:00

He was the quarterback.

Speaker 1: 42:03

Go ahead 80 to 1989.

Speaker 3: 42:06

Now this guy, like everybody like makes fun of detroit. So I got some some hippo facts okay, out of a nine-year career, mostly starting, he threw how many touchdowns, do you think, for nine years?

Speaker 1: 42:18

I actually looked this up and I was looking at his stats and it was like uh, two I want to say 67 maybe 55 touchdowns something like that. It wasn.

Speaker 3: 42:26

And he threw for 10,711 yards.

Speaker 1: 42:29

Yeah, he was actually 28 and 29 career record.

Speaker 2: 42:33

I had that written down, hippo, hippo.

Speaker 1: 42:34

I'm just looking back at it because you know football guy, I like football. Detroit was horrible.

Speaker 3: 42:39

Oh horrible.

Speaker 1: 42:40

Horrible, horrible. And now they're good. Yeah, so good for them. But I remember as a kid it was like barry sanders was awesome and he was stuck on that team you remember everybody was so sad, like why don't they just trade?

Speaker 3: 42:52

like I remember being like that as a kid, like everybody's, like oh man, sanders, why is he still there? Why is he still there?

Speaker 1: 42:57

and in this movie you could see, uh, michael keaton wearing the lion's hat it was a mesh hat with the lines on the side. It was so tall on his head, it was so tall. One of those mesh hats it looked.

Speaker 3: 43:07

that was uh. He kind of reminded me of my dad with that look. My dad used to have those hats too. Oh yeah, yeah, they were just big on the head, they just stand so tall it makes your head look like a football.

Speaker 1: 43:16

And if you want to feel old, Eric Hipple is now 67.

Speaker 2: 43:19

Good Dang God.

Speaker 1: 43:21

He was a young man in that movie.

Speaker 2: 43:33

But this movie is about 40-some years old 40, 40, 41, 41 years old, yeah, so the the quote from the whoopee was um, the the whoopee discussion was pretty soon. A whoopee isn't enough. You're out on the street trying to score an electric blanket yeah, or maybe a quilt. The next thing you know you're strung out on bedspreads he tried to make it simple for him yeah you got to get rid of whoopee even though I don't know that's not a thing anymore.

Speaker 3: 43:49

whoopees, no, no, I'm not. You got to get rid of whoopee, even though I don't know. That's not a thing anymore. Whoopees, no, no, no. Kids have things like a whoopee, or they suck their thumb or they have some sort of stuffed animal they drag around with them forever. Right, but you really don't. That kid was still young. He could still have a blanket.

Speaker 1: 44:04

You know what I mean. Thinking I'm changing and whatever you need. I don't know he was looking at him like come on.

Speaker 3: 44:10

Yeah, you're growing up, man. You're a big guy now.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Yeah, look what I'm doing. I'm throwing my flannel in there.

Speaker 2: 44:15

Yeah you should throw your blankie in there. I did fancy the. It might have been the scene before the segment before the elder brother, elder brother, elder brother, alex comes up and says dad, he brings him the grilled cheese sandwich. While he's while he's ironing in the kitchen and watching this fucking television that he carries with him everywhere, everywhere he carries that television. He's like dad, my, my sandwich is cold and the cheese isn't melted.

Speaker 1: 44:45

He just irons it just puts it on the ironing board and irons it. That's a scene I remember too. That's like an iconic part when he just puts the iron down on the grilled cheese I've tried that.

Speaker 3: 44:55

Oh, did you absolutely like a prison grilled cheese or something, isn't it?

Speaker 1: 44:58

there's a name for it yeah, that's what I think, that's what they call it, some kind of prison grilled cheese.

Speaker 3: 45:04

Underlying meaning to that?

Speaker 2: 45:05

yeah maybe I don't know some kind of street street slang, street slayer for a prison grilled cheese jack's and caroline's relationship and family are put to the test once again the next day, as caroline has been tasked with flying to california to help with the commercial shoot for schooner tuna, while jack and the kids have all dressed up for trick-or-treat on halloween night.

Speaker 2: 45:31

Despite jack reminding caroline that it's easy to forget what's important, she departs the next day. Jack is invited by the top brass to return to his job at ford motor company, at half pay and with the understanding that he would have to grovel to get his job back, as his former supervisor has since besmirched jack's reputation since his departure from the company. Jack's reinvigorated sense of pride holds true and he angrily declines the petty offer. After a night out with the neighborhood ladies at a male strip club, jack returns home and he and his son, alex, give caroline a call at her california hotel, but it isn't caroline who answers. It's ron yeah, the kid called who tells jack that caroline can't come to the phone because she's in the tub.

Speaker 1: 46:25

Uh-oh, rub it up what would you do in that situation? What would be your first instinct? Call my attorney, call your attorney.

Speaker 2: 46:32

No, would you give her the?

Speaker 1: 46:33

benefit of the doubt. I mean I mean, or would you just automatically jumped at like what the fuck's going on?

Speaker 3: 46:38

I'm sure you jumped to conclusions right away.

Speaker 2: 46:41

I would certainly no, I would look so in a room, though that is weird. So if that, of course, so if that course, I can't even think of that happening, because I know that just couldn't happen. It just could not happen. But let's just say like uh there's no way that could ever happen. There's no way I could ever call my wife's hotel room.

Speaker 1: 46:59

Let's assume there's no fucking way.

Speaker 3: 47:07

You don't know where they were having like game night or something like you know. I don't know Cause how does she know?

Speaker 1: 47:10

it's only like one other guy that traveled with them, or could have been other, or they patched the wrong room did she say game night, I would have got an explanation maybe it was twister night

Speaker 3: 47:17

yeah for for the company. Who knows? I know twister night yeah, twister night I got some games here naked twist honey.

Speaker 2: 47:26

Why are they? Why are you playing twister and hosting men? It's team building but they're having a team building.

Speaker 3: 47:32

You call a hotel if a dude answers.

Speaker 2: 47:34

So let's, let's pretend that my wife's at a hotel and I call the hotel room and a dude answers the phone. There's no chance he's gonna say she's in the tub. Yeah, he could say look man, she's taking a shit or wrong room, or maybe. No, maybe she's getting, you know, some dip and chips yeah, she's in the kitchen.

Speaker 3: 47:53

She'll be right over but, even then that sounds even more.

Speaker 1: 47:56

I don't know, yeah, I just uh, I was thinking about that like I just say oh hell, no, who's that?

Speaker 3: 48:02

bitch. What if a lady answered?

Speaker 2: 48:04

then that's cool. Yeah, yeah, big deal. They're less than out, but they're not less than out.

Speaker 1: 48:09

No, I guess he already had some suspicions up to this point.

Speaker 3: 48:13

So the guy got his own jet yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:16

And and he feels a little bit threatened because of the job and all that. Of course he feels threatened.

Speaker 2: 48:21

I loved when he pulled up to Ron's house and he's like, oh it was it came from his great-great-grandfather. You know uh, commander blah blah, blah, the, the civil war navy or whatever the hell he jacks is.

Speaker 3: 48:35

Oh, so it's a hand-me-down generational wealth yeah, and he did one of those things. I think uh all couples out there have some sort of code or password when you're like in an uncomfortable situation or like uh, where you would want to try to leave early like aunt tilda.

Speaker 2: 48:47

Yeah, he's like aunt.

Speaker 1: 48:48

Uh is an aunt, whatever dying or something, oh yeah, and the kid's like no dad, yeah just something like he was there for five minutes he's ready to go that reminds me of a, a meme that I I actually shared online a couple years ago. I thought it was pretty funny. It was like when I was younger I used to sneak out of my house to go to parties.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Now I sneak out of parties to go to my house yeah because, like, as you get older, you just don't want to be correct party or wherever you're at give it the old irish goodbye.

Speaker 3: 49:13

Yeah, the irish exit.

Speaker 2: 49:14

Yeah, uh, not for nothing.

Speaker 3: 49:16

Good for carolyn for uh punching ron oh yeah right in the face, right in the kisser right I mean yeah, you see a joan at the strip club there. She is hot to trot man dude, she was shaking that booty she just got right up and right in the all on it.

Speaker 2: 49:32

She did get up, she get down on it and then jack was like get down on it yeah, dude, the way she ran up to that stage and was just shaking that ass when she was moving her way up there. She didn't skip a beat she, she did not. She was running for that junk. She's in her element.

Speaker 3: 49:50

Yeah, I don't frequent many male or female strip clubs.

Speaker 1: 49:54

Right.

Speaker 3: 49:54

But at the female strip club, if you would get up to go on stage, you would be tackled by a very large man, 100%. Yeah. So I don't know, maybe that's more free at the old male strippers.

Speaker 2: 50:12

At the male strip club Do they even have those.

Speaker 3: 50:14

Yeah, that's not even a thing, do they?

Speaker 1: 50:15

even have those. I don't even know where you would go for that. I mean, I remember there used to be Chippendales, yeah, the Chippendales Rescue Rangers.

Speaker 3: 50:21

We talked about that with Ron Perlman, right I? But I don't know, man, I remember uh. Who was that? Uh from saturday night live it was uh. Remember what's his? Yeah, chris farley. Chris farley did the chippendales with the guy from dirty dancing like I said, we could start patrick swayze.

Speaker 1: 50:38

Yep, yep, it was a good one like I said, we could start a whole company, like for strippers, like us called chip and dips.

Speaker 2: 50:44

Yeah, hell yeah, like you're on stage.

Speaker 3: 50:48

Take your shit off. Start like dipping, eating like wings, but chicks dig that.

Speaker 1: 50:51

Now you know what I mean. Yeah, the dad bot.

Speaker 3: 50:53

It's in, it's in.

Speaker 2: 50:54

Please keep telling ourselves that okay so yeah, joan likes to party word of caroline's assumed infidelity and jack's resultant feelings of betrayal swiftly make its way through the local rumor mill and the ever sultry joan is ready to pounce on the opportunity like a cat, like a kitty. Her ford mustang 5.0 is pushed to its limits as she makes her way to the butler home as quickly as she can. The chaotic climax commences. Joan arrives to find a conflicted Jack who will forever love his wife in good times and in bad.

Speaker 2: 51:36

Caroline arrives at home early, having quit her job and landing a punch to her boss's face in the process, to find Joan excitedly sitting in her and Jack's bedroom with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Sitting in her and Jack's bedroom with a bottle of Jack Daniels, jinx, jack's former supervisor, arrives at the house to beg Jack to take his job back. Ron arrives at the house to apologize to Caroline and beg her to take her job back, and in the meantime, the exterminator and the TV repairwoman have returned to the house to perform their appointed rounds. In the end, joan swiftly exits after the awkward encounter. Is that awkward, awkward?

Speaker 3: 52:17

Yeah, that whole scene was like. I was like huh, I don't know, it was odd.

Speaker 2: 52:21

Caroline accepts Ron's offer to return to the agency in exchange for working from home for two days a week and reducing her workload. And Jinx gets a punch to the face for speaking down to Jack's son and immediately accepts Jack's conditions for returning to work at full pay with a company car and with the return of Jack's two co-workers. And they all lived happily ever after, including Howard Humphreys, whom we see in the final scene on the television delivering his patriotic tuna commercial.

Speaker 1: 52:53

Yeah, 50% off every can of tuna. Yeah, 50 cents off that was an odd ending.

Speaker 3: 52:57

That's the only thing that bothered me about this movie the schooner tuna commercial, the very end with the schooner tuna. They're like sitting on the chair, like watching, and then it like ends.

Speaker 1: 53:05

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 53:06

I know like the whole movie was good. I'm not saying that that ruined the movie, but the ending was weird in the movie.

Speaker 2: 53:11

but there's a lot to unpack in this last segment, bruh, there's a whole lot to unpack, yeah, yeah. So let's start with. As soon as joan hears about the, the misgivings going down at the butler house, dude, she jumps in that mustang and screams it over there.

Speaker 3: 53:24

Yeah, she was excited yeah, she was excited.

Speaker 2: 53:26

Hell yeah, man, she's shaking that ass. Lady's gotta eat. I love jeffrey. Uh, jeffrey tambour in this loved him in as as the supervisor, so he's he's always. He just plays these weird characters or these squirrely characters. Good character actor yeah, uh man ever since. Uh god, what's the what's the show? That he was in come on, it's with jason bateman. It was done by ron howard. That's uh-huh with jason new or uh arrested development oh, the newer one.

Speaker 1: 53:54

I gotcha, I gotcha, yeah, yeah so yeah, arrested development dude.

Speaker 2: 53:57

Ever since then, man I have such a profound respect for for jeffrey tambor, and I look back and watch this movie now and realize, wow, like this guy's just cool.

Speaker 1: 54:05

I really dig him it's funny how guys like that don't look like they age like steve martin and like him, like he looked that old. He looked so much the same he looks the same same you know what I mean, that he did back then, but yeah, he was good in this for sure.

Speaker 3: 54:17

Christopher Lloyd looked young in this, though.

Speaker 1: 54:19

For sure, yeah, he looked really young. Oh for sure, I forgot about him in this, yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:22

I did like during the what's his name? With Jack and Caroline's fight when they were arguing back and forth Once she's home, she comes home and you know, basically Caroline comes home and finds Joan, joan awkwardly exits and now Caroline is on the bed.

Speaker 3: 54:38

Yeah, I didn't get that part. I was like what, Don't wait.

Speaker 2: 54:41

But now Caroline's talking to Jack and Jack's like look man, I call, I call your hotel and I hear champagne chilling. You can hear that.

Speaker 3: 54:49

Aha, he got he got her, you got her, no, but what was she doing? Like, okay, you hear champagne, like it's priceless.

Speaker 2: 54:58

I'm just saying, your wife walks home and finds some lady lying on your bed with a tray with some jack daniels two glasses. How do you talk out of that?

Speaker 3: 55:04

yeah, how do you, how, how? And then all of a sudden, she's lying in bed with her little feetsies out yeah, I don't know I didn't get that part.

Speaker 1: 55:12

The old dennis rodman. She fell out of the ceiling, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 55:15

Well, no, he came out of the bathroom. So he came out of the bathroom after going through excuses A to Z why he's not going to go in there.

Speaker 3: 55:21

Did she hear that? And he walked and pounded out. Yeah, Did?

Speaker 2: 55:24

who hear that? Caroline, his wife. Yeah, so he walks out of the bathroom Joan, I'm not doing anything. And he says to Caroline oh, caroline, she says now that we got the names right. Why was Joan in my room? Yeah, there was almost as much theme in that bathroom.

Speaker 3: 55:40

No explanation, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 55:42

Almost as much theme in that bathroom as smoke in the boardroom, so she could have easily been in the background.

Speaker 2: 55:48

Could have been.

Speaker 3: 55:49

There's a lot of hijinks in these 80s movies.

Speaker 2: 55:51

There are hijinks, especially with a guy named Jinx, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:58

Fun facts. It's about that time.

Speaker 2: 56:00

It is about that time. Did anyone notice that the TV repair lady? She incorporated basically the tried and true so everybody knew to. Somehow, some way it passed through the coconut internet back in a day to blow on an NES cartridge. Yes, to get it To try to get that to work in your NES. The TV repair woman just slaps the side or slaps the top of the. Tv to get it to fix, yeah, to get it to stop shaking all over the place, right, but everybody did that. Everybody banged on a television.

Speaker 1: 56:29

Yeah, true, that's a job that you don't. There's not very many TV repair people anymore because nobody repairs them.

Speaker 2: 56:35

You just buy a new one, because they're so cheap.

Speaker 1: 56:40

So I got here that Michael Keaton turned down. Splash from 1983 to star in this film.

Speaker 3: 56:42

That went to.

Speaker 1: 56:45

Was it Tom?

Speaker 2: 56:46

Hanks yeah, tom Hanks, I didn't know he turned down Splash for this.

Speaker 1: 56:49

Yes.

Speaker 2: 56:50

I know that Ron Howard turned down this for Splash, Splash yeah. Ron Howard turned down, directing this to direct Splash.

Speaker 1: 56:58

Yeah, this was his first time as Todd Billing and yeah, Do you have any who could have? What is it I do, Okay.

Speaker 2: 57:06

So it is interesting first, that you mentioned the thing on Michael Keaton. So fun fact he got this role, thanks, thanks, and was offered apparently offered the part for splash thanks to his date film debut night shift in 1982. Yep, uh, so the coulda woulda shouldas, let's see. Oh, ron richardson could have been burt reynolds yeah, I did see that, so he was going to be offered, but they. What's his name? Just name.

Speaker 3: 57:32

Just, it went to Martin.

Speaker 2: 57:33

Mull Jack Butler could have been Robin Williams, john Goodman or George Siegel.

Speaker 1: 57:43

I have some different names here too.

Speaker 2: 57:45

Go for it.

Speaker 1: 57:46

Chubby Chase, Michael Douglas, Steve Martin and John Travolta were considered for the role, so wait a second.

Speaker 2: 57:51

Michael Douglas.

Speaker 1: 57:52

Jack Butler, yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:53

Check this out out. Are you serious? That's what it says here. Yeah, all right, so you know. Get ready for this one. Michael keaton's real name is michael douglas.

Speaker 2: 58:05

Oh what he had to change his stage name to keaton. He had to change his stage name to keaton, so this is just a name he randomly picked out of a phone book. He just opened it to the K's and found Keaton. Said sure, that sounds good. He had to change his stage name to satisfy uh SAG rules, uh, relative to uh there only being one actor for any given name.

Speaker 1: 58:27

That's wild.

Speaker 2: 58:27

Yeah, there was a Michael Douglas, obviously the Michael Douglas we know and then there was a Mike Douglas who was like a game show host wonder if we could have did the three names like Michael, diamond Douglas or something you know like.

Speaker 1: 58:38

Do Diamond Phillips? Right or, if you add, like a double name if you add like a third name, you think that changes it. You know, I'm saying maybe like I don't know, because you see a lot of those three names in Hollywood. Not a lot of them.

Speaker 2: 58:50

I honestly, I think he did it just to again number one. He definitely did it to satisfy sag rules, but if nothing else, he did it so he could make his own name not to be confused with anybody else. Truly, yeah, but yeah, dude, his real name, michael douglas. That's wild, yeah. What's even more wild? He was. You know, he's a pennsylvanian yeah from pittsburgh, yeah right he was like he lives 10 minutes or was born 10 minutes east of pitt.

Speaker 1: 59:11

That's crazy, matt, what you got 20th Century Fox.

Speaker 3: 59:15

They did a whole promotion thing with aprons for the movie Mr Mom.

Speaker 1: 59:19

For real.

Speaker 3: 59:20

Yeah, they would have. They were called Mr Mom Aprons to help market the film. I wonder if that's got some little fun fact, also a little fun fact from what we talked about earlier. There is online it. Online it'll show you how to make a prison grilled cheese with an iron. Nice, and I'd like to see that. It's an actual thing. You can look and you can see if you look into your phone or your electronic device yeah, you can find it did you find that, matt, while I was going through the podcast?

Speaker 3: 59:45

yeah, how to make grilled cheese in prison with iron. I appreciate the attention yes, I just I, I knew it was called like. Uh yeah, I knew it was called prison grilled cheese, not that I've ever been to prison I think you mentioned this earlier, matt.

Speaker 3: 59:57

The film's premise originated from john hughes sharing a chaotic babysitting story with lauren donner, who found it hilarious, and then hughes wrote and rewrote the script so I guess it came from an experience he had and there was also an outrage that michael keaton became batman a few years later when the 89 film um for tim burton's batman yeah, people didn't like that from the beginning because they're how is? How is mr mom supposed to play? Oh, batman, yeah, mr batman yeah, the batman.

Speaker 2: 1:00:27

How is mr batman? How is mr mom supposed to be mr wayne? Right, well, he ended up being in the best Batman ever done, absolutely so. Fun fact in the grocery store scene prices, not just the prices Beyond the prices, jack, or in this case Michael Keaton he's the only male shopper in the entire store.

Speaker 1: 1:00:47

Yeah, I did see that he's the only dude.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

Everybody else is broads. That's crazy. Yeah man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:01:02

There was a made-for-TV movie in 1984 for Mr Mom, but they said it failed to take off so it's kind of died out there. So here's some ones for Caroline.

Speaker 2: 1:01:08

Butler Talking about Kodawutas.

Speaker 1: 1:01:10

They had Jane Curtin, Farrah Fawcett, Sally Field, Karen Allen. So I don't know Karen Allen or Jane Curtin.

Speaker 2: 1:01:17

I can't picture them. You would know Jane Curtin Absolutely. So Jane Curtin was in a show most recently called third rock from the sun. Uh, she was also in Saturday night live from way back in the day.

Speaker 1: 1:01:31

Right, I can picture. And now you say that third rock from the sun. Yeah, so this movie is part of a 1980s role reversal comedy trend. Yeah, so there was other movies like this Baby Boom 1987. Don't remember that, but I do remember Three Men and a Baby from 87. Yeah, and it was actually Aaron Spelling's third feature and he made this film that he could take his kids to at that time he said there was no films that were really for kids right to make something which would have been tori spelling.

Speaker 1: 1:01:57

Who's probably? What would you guess?

Speaker 3: 1:01:58

five years older than us, maybe she's not much older, she's probably 54, 55 there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:02:04

I would put her in her mid-50s she was probably like 10, 11 maybe, when this came out. What else you guys got?

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

I don't know, baby boom. I remember enjoying that movie a great deal. I don't remember it. Yeah, so it's the story of this woman who's this great executive? This you know, high up muckety muck. She ends up leaving her job and she moves out to the country like, call it the northeast right, like you know, new england and starts getting into the.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

she starts making her own applesauce. But then she takes this applesauce and it just she's starting to sell it locally at markets and shit like that, or people start to like it. Then it just blows up. So she ended up leaving this, this high pressure, you know atmosphere, just to go cool out. But then it's still in her, in her veins to just start this business and it just grows and grows and grows.

Speaker 1: 1:02:47

Oh, wow. Yeah, it's quite good, maybe if a little bit of it. I'm I'm sure I probably have seen it or are aware of it, but the name didn't pop with me like I remember and it all started with hers.

Speaker 2: 1:02:56

You know getting preggers and having this kid uh I mean, that's what took her away from leaving. You know, fuck it. I'm leaving work and I'm gonna go raise this kid, but then she gets drawn. It's like michael corneo colonel they draw right back in, back in yeah so this was a tough opening weekend for mr mom.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

So when this opened july 22nd I believe of 83 yeah, it was uh july 22nd, yep july 22nd, so that opening weekend, mr mom, came in 13th place, 13th now that's after a lot of big movies out a lot. So in order of appearance you had, I'm sorry, in order of importance or in popularity, I should say, starting with number one, jaws 3d staying alive I saw jaws 3d in the theater return of the jedi oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 2: 1:03:54

The re-reussy, oh. Superman 3, flash dance, porky's 2 and twilight zone, the movie, all of those movies did better than than this, mr mom, in its opening weekend and this did pretty well, really. Oh well, opening weekend but overall it did well. Yeah, overall it was fantastic.

Speaker 3: 1:04:13

I remember seeing return of the jed Jedi at the Elks Theater in Middletown. It was right before we had our field day. It was like towards the end of the school year.

Speaker 1: 1:04:22

That was a good one. That's one I saw in the theater Return of the Jedi.

Speaker 2: 1:04:25

I remember seeing Jedi at the Elks as well. I did not go with Matt, but I do remember seeing it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:31

Yeah, my mom, and dad took me with Matt, but I do remember seeing it yeah, my mom and dad took me.

Speaker 1: 1:04:36

I think I saw the East Five One of those, so I thought this right away when I started watching the movie. But this is what's going to kind of tie into that In one memorable scene, tambor's character reassures engineers after firing them, leading Keaton's line. Where are we going to catch on Nagasaki foreshadowing his role in Gung Ho, correct? I? Are we going to catch on nagasaki foreshadowing his role in gung-ho, correct? I love that. That's a good man, damn, I love that movie. That's one you said that maybe we were going to do. We are. Well, I promise you we'll do it. Yeah, shit, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:05:02

So I I started watching this movie and I'm like, oh my god, I wonder if mr mom is like the, the prequel to gung-ho or yeah, or if there was some connection and there is in that it's the auto industry, but I guess gung-ho in that he's just a regular line worker and it's a Pennsylvania auto manufacturer.

Speaker 2: 1:05:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:05:20

So I guess they're not connected. But it is an auto manufacturer, so you can connect those two.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

Correct.

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

But I got excited in the beginning. I'm like are these connected? Like did I miss this as a kid?

Speaker 2: 1:05:29

There are certainly similar underlying storylines similar underlying storylines.

Speaker 1: 1:05:37

Gung-ho is pretty much kind of the same as this.

Speaker 3: 1:05:38

Yeah, doing with the auto. Not well, the auto industry, the auto industry.

Speaker 1: 1:05:40

I think in that one he goes like to japan to try to get them to buy his fact or like to buy them out or whatever and yeah so, but that's one I remember seeing back in the day and to keep the plant open and to keep everything going because there's, you know, the whole town.

Speaker 2: 1:05:54

This whole little small town relies on this car plant right uh, norm is in that george went, george went yes, which I didn't know.

Speaker 1: 1:06:02

Uh, jeep, actually, one of the original jeep factories was in pennsylvania, really yeah, before it became like in scranton or pittsburgh or I forget it either have to be in pittsburgh or philly areas. No it wasn't uh. Actually it was like, I think, out near pittsburgh maybe, yeah, but but uh, it was before the jeep. We know this was during, uh, either during wartime or like shortly after I remember j-e-a-p.

Speaker 2: 1:06:26

No like so, as we all know, surely? As we all know, jeep got its name because of its military use. So, it was built for the military and it was the acronym GP, which was general purpose.

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

What's the one of the Jeep models, like one of the names for it. That was the original.

Speaker 3: 1:06:50

Like a Wrangler or Willys Willys. Yes, that's the original.

Speaker 1: 1:06:53

It was Willys was the company. What you're talking about, willies right yeah, but I know, dude, that was a good pick. Yeah, man, this was definitely a fun one and it brought back some memories. So I guess it's about that time that we, you know, rate it savage. Your movie, consider, I don't know, man there's some good lines in this.

Speaker 2: 1:07:21

I would be borderline between return and late fee. Uh, I mean, there's just so much to unpack with this. There's so much from my perspective, just nostalgia. Uh, you know, despite the tumultuous economic times at the time, I you know, in these, in these years, I look back and say you are getting deep, but this is like it's not schindler's list no. But the thing is, you look back at that, you say well, you know. We look back and say oh man, you know, times were so much better when we were kids and it was.

Speaker 2: 1:07:49

So these kids nowadays, you know like we grew up to be those old men standing there shaking our fists, like you kids, you kids don't know you don't know anything, I think we, even, we even mentioned that talking yeah correct.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

So I'm now that old codger that will look back and say, dude, I would, I wouldn't trade. Growing up in the 80s for anything like that was an amazing, amazing time. So there's so many good themes in this. Like with jack at home, like you've got considerations of self-worth. You have a father becoming a more nurturing, uh, more that motherly side, versus like the disciplinarian or a distant relationship that a father would otherwise have with their kid. Uh, from caroline's perspective at work, you've got her having to deal with office politics, gender biases and ethics, for christ's sake, like you know, banging her or her boss coming on to her Right, um, the, the. You look at the again.

Speaker 2: 1:08:36

Another theme like the, the partnership. This is just between Jack and Caroline, and you consider the, the, the wholesomeness of a nuclear family. You've got evolving social norms. You've got family dynamics. You've got tackling non-traditional roles. You've got blending non-traditional roles of parenting and work, which, in my opinion, ultimately showcases each person's individuality. There's again so much that's said in this movie and done in this movie. I'm borderline between return and late.

Speaker 1: 1:09:06

Yeah, in the middle there. How about you, matt?

Speaker 3: 1:09:09

The 80s Great time, Actually, something that reminded me of Mr Mom. The other day I was watching Monday Night Football. It was late because here in our corner of the world here it's these great United States, the East Coast we get a late game. It used to be 9 o'clock, you guys remember that.

Speaker 1: 1:09:27

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:27

I do, but now it's like 8.15, I think. But anyway, it was later towards the evening and I was switching around and I went to Antenna TV and they had the Johnny Carson show, on which I was like, hey, mr Mom, probably you know watching a little Johnny Carson late at night, up late, and he was doing one of his skits. I still watch that too, man, do you watch Antenna TV? Shit, yeah, yeah. But the Johnny Carson show was great. I haven't seen it in forever.

Speaker 3: 1:09:51

But, um, he was doing a skit and he was, you know, making fun of like his cast or his crew guys that used to work in the crew and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 1:09:58

So, um, he's showing these pictures and making these things and uh, uh, ed mcmahon is one of he does that. When we say sometimes that hi, oh, yeah, yeah, he has like this voice and johnny does this thing and he shows this lady and, uh, it's part of his crew and I guess she's making like if you guys would figure making like a field goal, like a good field goal symbol, with your hands, and then like bringing your fingertips together this lady she had like, she had a picture of her and she was like making this like round thing with her hands, and uh, johnny halo or something like a halo, yeah. And uh johnny carson goes this is uh jane, and she's showing uh what it was like to have a date with uh oj simpson. And then, and then ed's like whoa large sir. And then johnny's like looking at him, like uh yeah, that was, that was a joke. Ed, it's like yes, sir, but uh anyway and this is before oj's oj.

Speaker 3: 1:10:48

Yeah, you know, long before, right, yeah but it was just it was looking at the 80s, it was just a different time and and this movie and and watching carson at the time was some nostalgia and uh, really enjoyed the movie. Um, I'd probably try to watch it. Like I said, a return or maybe even a late fee on this one at the time in my life right now, so I liked it good pick yeah, for me the same.

Speaker 1: 1:11:09

Um, I'm probably gonna return it, but I could maybe see late fee in it. Well, I mean, I definitely enjoyed it. It was cool to watch it. As a 48 year old uh can definitely relate to a lot of things he was going through. Um, you know, with with just being a parent and raising kids and doing chores and doing stuff around the house and honey do lists honey do list and like you know like you do laundry or you do this or that, like you get the mixture right.

Speaker 1: 1:11:33

you know like you do laundry or you do this or that, like you get the mixture right, like little things that you don't think about. Because this is kind of like we we all kind of pick our own little things that we do and if you, if you go outside of your comfort zone and and and do something. But as an eight year old or nine year old, when I saw this, I wasn't paying attention to that.

Speaker 1: 1:11:47

It's cool to watch this again now, and I definitely enjoyed it. Um, it, um. So for me, at at at best, it'd be a late fee. You know what I mean, like you know at worst as a return nowhere near a burn. It was definitely a great movie. So, uh, yeah, definitely enjoyed it. But uh, yeah, it's gonna be my pick next week and I already kind of picked it out it would. It's gonna be kingpin, oh so oh yeah, that's one of my favorites man and bill murray in that and uh, you should have won a, an oscar.

Speaker 2: 1:12:14

There's no edging from dave, it's right at your face. We're gonna tell you right off no surprises, no surprises.

Speaker 1: 1:12:19

So if you're a kingpin fan, you know definitely, even if you're not, tune in yeah, I could watch it right now yeah, I mean, I kind of like to let them know what's coming up and maybe they'll watch it before they listen and you know they'll have an idea. But uh, definitely check that out. And definitely check out, mr Mom, if you haven't seen it in a while or if you haven't seen it at all. I know people have told me that when we review movies sometimes it spurs them to go.

Speaker 3: 1:12:41

I gotta watch that again, so that's definitely cool. Yeah, you need to give this a watch.

Speaker 1: 1:12:44

Yep, so you guys got anything else, I got nothing, nope.

Speaker 3: 1:12:56

So I guess that On the flip side, if we don't see you sooner, we'll see you later. Peace. Thanks for listening to the Vintage Cinema Review in the old, dirty basement. If you dig our theme music, like we do, check out the Tsunami Experiment, find them on Facebook. Their music is streaming on Spotify and Apple and where great music is available.

Speaker 1: 1:13:11

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