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What if a single event could revolutionize the way law enforcement approaches crime? The infamous North Hollywood shootout did just that, setting off a wave of changes in police tactics and equipment. Join us as we trace the fiery path blazed by Larry Phillips Jr. and Emil Matasaranu, whose violent spree and military-level preparation culminated in a showdown that shocked the nation. Reflect on the chaos that unfolded on February 28, 1997, and how an unexpected turn of events left police scrambling against an armored duo.
Explore the ferocity of the shootout, where Phillips and Matasaranu unleashed chaos on Laurel Canyon Boulevard with automatic weapons and body armor, their meticulous plans unraveling in a barrage of bullets and ink-stained cash. Listen to the gut-wrenching details of their ruthless tactics, the inadequacy of police weaponry, and the desperate resilience of officers caught in a battle against foes nearly invincible. With nearly 2,000 rounds fired in the mayhem, the aftermath forced a reevaluation of how to protect and serve in an increasingly dangerous world.
From the fiery end of the robbers to the media spectacle that ensued, we examine the lasting impact of this watershed moment in law enforcement history. The North Hollywood shootout became more than just a tale of crime—it was a catalyst for change that echoed through police departments nationwide. As we reflect on the gripping events and their portrayal in popular culture, we’re reminded of the constant evolution of crime and punishment. Tune in for an engaging discussion that blends historical analysis with a deep dive into the cultural ripples that continue to shape our understanding of law and order.
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Thanks for tuning in to the old dirty basement on this week's episode. We're covering the North Hollywood shootout.
Speaker 2:Indeed, On the morning of February 28th 1997, the streets of North Hollywood became the stage for one of the most infamous shootouts in law enforcement history.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it really led to what law enforcement has today, like upgrading whatever they have to help out with the community because they didn't. They didn't have the right stuff they didn't.
Speaker 1:They didn't have the right stuff. Yeah, they didn't have the weapons they needed. At any rate, we hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, leave us that five-star rating on spotify on apple a written review and sit back, relax and enjoy the north hollywood shootout.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, we're stronger than the storm.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right so, zap, you brought this one to our attention, so wait a second, all right.
Speaker 2:So here's the mea culpa moment. Everybody. So. In a recent podcast, who do the what?
Speaker 3:now, matt, the big word, zap matt, if you don't know bro matt, you went to catholic school.
Speaker 2:You went to catholic school you went to catholic church.
Speaker 3:You know maya culpa for the ones who aren't going to the catholic church on sundays maya culpa my fault.
Speaker 2:So in a recent podcast I swore up and down on my mother's good name. Somehow, some way, we had done this podcast before.
Speaker 1:We did not, in fact never, never we never did this podcast on the north hollywood shootout and I'm just relieved we didn't, because I was very like concerned that I did not remember it.
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Speaker 3:Mentioned hollywood, like something with California or Hollywood or something I watched way too much History Channel shit way too much.
Speaker 2:And so in those wee hours when you know reality starts to mix with dreamland, you know it just all kind of becomes the same thing. So had I, years ago, or however many few years ago, I had watched a particular episode on a particular show on the History Channel and this was the theme. So in my head, it head it's like look, with all these goddamn scripts I'm writing. Sure, we must have done that, thank you, thank you to our most faithful listeners for reminding us or pointing out that there was no way in hell what the hell's that talking about?
Speaker 3:we did this theme.
Speaker 2:So it is thanks to you that we are now making up for my fault. My again, my own alzheimer's whatever the hell it is, mandela effect. Let's do this.
Speaker 1:The north hollywood shootout and you know, and it's good that they're listening, I mean, at least we know people are listening, because I had a ton of people come up to me like or you know, hey, you've never done that one, just so you know I I don't know, I'm not aware of that one I'm like yeah, we know, we know, we know in defense of zap.
Speaker 3:I think we did discuss it briefly, correct?
Speaker 1:well, it came up on the podcast.
Speaker 3:Yes, because we were talking about um and and something came up with the hollywood shootout yeah, and again that's where it was almost with, you know, an ornery response.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, dickheads, we did this podcast.
Speaker 3:Like I'm telling you I could have sworn we had done this in in the depths of my mind, I thought we did something similar it was probably scott scurlock was a bank robber could have been. And then we brought up the hollywood uh shootout or maybe it was hollywood for mannequin, who knows?
Speaker 1:yeah right, it could have been that one this would be a great podcast consider well, that's the other thing too. Got confusing because we do movie reviews. So I was like is it a movie?
Speaker 3:you know, but even we do so many movies about hollywood's involved in mostly all of our movies, right, anyway, yeah let's let us make up for lost time.
Speaker 2:Shall we dive into the north hollywood out?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:All right, we are talking about. Larry Phillips Jr and Emil Matasaranu were the two men behind the North Hollywood shootout. These were no ordinary criminals and this was not their first heist. On July 20th 1993, the pair robbed an armored car outside a bank in Littleton, colorado, and were arrested on October 29th of the same year after being caught for operating a stolen vehicle. On June 14th 1995, they robbed another armored vehicle, this time in Los Angeles, and in this instance killing one of the guards and seriously injuring the other. In of 1996, brandishing heavy weapons and body armor, the two robbed two bank of america branches in la, collecting one and a half million dollars in the process. Their criminal history was riddled with previous armed bank robberies, where their violent methods had become progressively more calculated and lethal and earned them the moniker the High Incident Bandits.
Speaker 3:High Incident. Yeah, I would be mad at that. Like you know how the guys get mad.
Speaker 2:Like what are they calling us?
Speaker 3:That's not my name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so how did these guys come together? So they met at a gold gym.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and I found that out because Zap sent me a, well sent you to the link for the documentary that was on the History Channel, like you said, and I guess they met at a Gold's Gym working out.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:And then I had written down here the two things about him. Larry was a. He had some real estate scams going on too before all this, awesome. And then, emil, is that how you say that? Yeah, Emil. He was an unsuccessful software consultant. Yeah, so they both failed at those things they were doing and, I guess, decided to turn to a life of crime.
Speaker 3:Wasn't? Um. Yeah, emil was like picked on a lot too. They said as a kid coming into this country not speaking, like he didn't speak English as well.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:I think that was something he wanted to like get stronger, get bigger so he wasn't picked on as much.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, picked on as much. Right yeah, I'm reminded with the name emil maybe that was his name, maybe it wasn't. There was some kind of emil schlamazel. Well close, there was some kind of gut-wrenching or heart wrenching story about emil or emilio or emilo or coming across like from cuba or something correct emilio was an estivus not him. No, it was this kid brother everybody was made to feel bad for this kid because he was somehow like stuck in customs someplace or lucas come on I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:I remember the name, though the kid with the funny face who wore the moon mask in that movie. What was that?
Speaker 1:oh uh, mask wonder rocky dennis no wonder oh, rocky dennis, we have not done mask yet we will do mask eventually so, but dave, you know what I'm talking about I know exactly the story, but I don't remember the kid's name, all right, but it was like he came across on like a plank of wood across the ocean and then and then, uh yeah, there's some plank of wood, like seriously. No, he was in the ocean river rat. Yeah, they found them in her tube it's funny.
Speaker 3:Uh, you said that like I saw something on my uh whatever feed. I don't know what I was looking at, but it's like uh, hey guys, free boat. And showed this boat pull up to like the shore, like 20 guys run off of it, oh geez and just run up past this couple. That's like sitting there on the beach, free boat, and the boat's just sitting there like in the water and they're like hey, free boats, messed up wow that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Thanks, coast guard, but um did is. Is this, so did you guys about? Is this where they got arrested? Did we have that in there?
Speaker 2:what are we talking about?
Speaker 3:they were pulled over for like speeding, correct, yeah, so this is yeah, I've given the backstory about the about three incidents in there.
Speaker 2:In fact, the first incident I'm looking at was on October 29th of 1993. They got pulled over because they were driving a stolen vehicle. In that vehicle, if I'm not mistaken, they found a shit ton of weapons and bullshit and ammunition, yep. So what's even better? Thank you the justice system. These guys get out. They plea bargain. They were in jail, I think, for 100 days.
Speaker 3:I think it was six months. Okay, yeah, it was six months in jail.
Speaker 2:Either one. They got out and they eventually were able to argue back and get all of the confiscated shit.
Speaker 1:They give us our stuff back. Well, no, because the lawyer said when you?
Speaker 2:leave prison. You get your wallet and your watch back, but these guys, we want our guns back.
Speaker 1:Rocket launcher.
Speaker 3:It was their lawyer that got their guns back during the trial saying that that's the way that they'll be able to pay him back for representing them.
Speaker 2:Oh, to fence the weapons.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the judge in the case said yes, I'll give you your weapons back so you can sell them to give the money back to the lawyer.
Speaker 2:I bet JW could do that. Yeah, he would do that.
Speaker 3:Hell yeah he would do that, some shady crap.
Speaker 2:Oh, ps, while we take the opportunity, or while we're talking about it, I will take the opportunity. Thank you to A&JW for hosting a fantastic yet another fantastic trivia night.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, it's trivia night, and Bill Coder too At A&J.
Speaker 2:Estates. And thank you to Bill Coder, the Mr Karaoke, mr Trivia, extraordinaire, the Asian for any occasion. Have him at your wedding, have him at your bar mitzvah, have him at your house, have him at your bar. Get a hold of Bill Coder for all of your DJ karaoke trivia needs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's the man, we did win again. We didn't even try. Yep, we were hoping we'd like lose, but we couldn't no, I just can't. We're like brady yeah, we're like, yeah, like we're not even trying tom brady a trivia.
Speaker 2:It was the mathematical approach to that last round was that?
Speaker 3:was that what it was? Hell yeah. We were not in first before going into that Actually, yeah, you're right, there was a couple that we got tripped up on.
Speaker 2:But then yeah, that's inside baseball.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 2:A&JW and thank you, bill Coder. The baseball bunch All right. On February 28th 1997, not long after 9 am, Phillips and Mastoranu, clad in body armor and ski, armed with high powered automatic weapons, body armor and thousands of rounds of armor piercing ammunition, they were prepared for war.
Speaker 1:And that guy's last name. I thought there was like pubes on my sheet, but that's not pubes, that's that's it's, it's a lot of uh he's Romanian. So what does that call the thing above it's?
Speaker 2:not an umlaut, because the umlaut is the two dots Right it is.
Speaker 3:That sounds like a sports car. It's not. You got an umlaut.
Speaker 2:Shit. Maybe by the end of the podcast it'll hit me, we'll figure it out. But yeah, so these cats, they I mean these guys are just ready to rock Like these guys are. They just pull up I mean with everything, and I mean everything you could possibly imagine walk out, ski masks blazing, they're all in black, they're carrying these weapons and they just walk right into the bank.
Speaker 1:This bank too. They showed uh on that documentary like it's a whole residential area behind it and it's on that main street, laurel Canyon Boulevard, which I think is tied to the Manson thing. Wasn't that off Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 3:Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 2:In that area. Is that the wine? No, that's Corbett Canyon, corbett Canyon.
Speaker 1:But I was thinking about like a cooler way to go about this bank heist would have been like get one of them houses and dig underground. Sure, I like when they do that in movies. Yeah like burrow your way through and then pop up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or it'd be like in a casino, where you just drive the box truck to the side of the building and then you start chipping at the brick.
Speaker 1:The side of the brick yeah.
Speaker 3:But actually they were there for the armored vehicle with the money right, they were there for the fucking bank. No, no, but there was supposed to be an armored vehicle to make a delivery to the bank that morning. Those guys were sitting in the car waiting and then I don't think the the armored v or whatever that. What are those vehicles called?
Speaker 2:like a brink truck. Yeah, yeah, nowadays there's like three delivery services you got guardian, you got brinks and you got uh christ.
Speaker 3:Well, back then I miss I think it was a brinks truck and they were waiting for that, that that day to make the delivery, and it didn't show up or it went and they saw it going, but it went to another route and I think that's where they were, like, you know, screw this, whatever, we're just going to go in and get the money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were ready to go because they had everything ready and not for nothing.
Speaker 3:For all they know, maybe they the truck had already been there before they got there, yeah, but I there before they got there, yeah, but I think, like I don't know, they did the uh, what's that stuff called before you're like you go on a job or yeah, like uh surveillance yeah, they did the surveillance and they thought it would be there at that time.
Speaker 3:But they saw the truck, the truck went by and they're like you know what, screw it, we're gonna get money from this bank either way so, speaking of their surveillance and reconnaissance, there you go the recon they had done on this for months.
Speaker 2:By the way, I mean you know they scoped this out like really a lot like thoroughly. They wanted to know every minute of every day what, what happens. They wanted to be able to set their watch to what's going on at this bank, and well away they went. So inside they moved with precision and military-like discipline, brandishing their weapons and shouting words at the terrified staff and customers. It was a scene of chaos and terror. The two methodically forced the bank manager to open the vault and proceeded to fill their bags with cash. But the robbery did not go as smoothly as planned. The anticipated cash on hand was much less than expected. Instead of a $750,000 payday for which they had hoped, the two ultimately walked away with only a little more than $300,000. And that was after Mata Serrano had unloaded a full drum magazine of 75 rounds into the bank safe, destroying thousands of dollars in the process.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. So he shot through the money and made it like worth nothing then basically, 25 rounds into the bank safe, destroying thousands of dollars in the process.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. So he shot through the money and made it like worth nothing. Then, basically, he got so bent because the bank manager, the manager that opens the vault, he's like, okay, look, man, here's what we got, here's what you got. And he's like you know, show me the money, show me the money, show me the money. And you know, in just this fit of rage because oh, one thing we neglected to mention, these guys dropped some uh phenobarbital before they went in some muscle relaxers, the, basically the.
Speaker 2:I don't give a fuck drug, yeah, and this guy just unloads a full 75 rounds into this safe.
Speaker 3:He's just that fucking pissed, yeah, and it's not doing anything. I guess destroying money, yeah, but they had. Um, I think the 750 000 was due to the brinks truck that didn't show up that day so, yeah, when they got it, yeah, so they were like super pissed and then it would have been there yes, and that's why, and I think they did walk out with the money in a bag and when he walked out, it was one of those, um, the, what are those called? That blow up like an ink.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they he put the ink pack in and it blew up in the bag and that's where he turned around, came back in the bank. He's like you know, I'm I'm pissed now. Yeah, they've had enough.
Speaker 2:I know that Uh, yeah,000, which they had gotten not but less than a half a year earlier when they took those two other Bank of America branches in LA. Yeah, they would have expected that here. But also, since they didn't get all of that, they wanted the bank manager to get them into the ATM.
Speaker 2:Which is like I can't, since we're here because you open up the ATM and the manager's like dude, I can't, we just changed our policy, I don't have the keys, I can't open it. So of course they shoot that one up and you're not going to shoot through that vault, you can't shoot through that.
Speaker 1:Well, you could, but you're. You're destroying everything.
Speaker 2:You're truly destroying everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whenever they got a lollipop off the, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they have this lollipop Back in the day. Yeah, yeah, or a pen. Now you get a pen.
Speaker 2:Dolphin deposit with my pap because after they damn pens uh quick fun fact on this the uh the bank, this particular branch is one of those branches that had maintained uh what are called uh bandit barriers. So a bandit barrier is the counter to ceiling, bulletproof glass around the tellers and the vault area yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:So, despite having armor, piercing rounds and shit like that, instead of shoot trying to shoot through the glass, they actually shot through the door locks of the doors that get you into that in glass encased area, and so of course, they got in there with. Considering the rounds they had, it was no problem yeah, just shoot that right out yeah, which is surprising considering how stupid these guys are.
Speaker 3:They figured out right quick, we're gonna shoot through the lock, since we can't shoot through the glass well, what was funny is when they first went in the bank they give themselves like a time limit, right, Eight minutes, Eight minutes, Okay. So when they got in, I guess there was people walking by, like some lady was walking her dog and she saw two masked men enter the bank. So the cops were pretty much alerted from the door immediately, yeah. So they didn't really have like that few minutes of where you know, they know what time exactly they're going to have. So this lady was walking her dog, saw them, called the police and there was a cop I think like two minutes on the scene, came pulled up. He's like we hear you know that somebody's in there. So when the two guys walked in, I guess they unloaded a couple hundred rounds in the ceiling right away, Right To scare the like shit out of people.
Speaker 3:I think like shit out of people mclean was up there, yeah, like it just started planes up there started unloading rounds and like she's, like I hear gunshots, like I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:So then the cops, like right away, were like oh shit, something's going on right. Phillips and madisaran, who had anticipated an eight minute response time by the police, every second inside, needed to be swift and productive, but, unbeknownst them, their every move was already being observed. Lapd patrol officers who happened to be on patrol near the bank at the time immediately became suspicion upon seeing the heavily armed men entering. Within minutes, the officers heard Maserano's 75-round tantrum from outside the bank. The officers immediately called for backup, proclaiming shots fired and signaling the start of a massive police response. Units from surrounding area quickly converged on the bank, forming a perimeter and readying themselves for what was to come. Radio communication buzzed with officers calling for reinforcements and strategizing their next moves. So all this? So dude? So these guys are inside, rob at the bank and in the meantime, all the police and I mean all of the police are just coming in mass to surround this thing, showing up outside, and they're none the wiser plus, I think they had the ghetto bird too, like right over top of like hey, there's a.
Speaker 3:He was on like the live. There was a live news feed flying around, yeah, and he was saying, oh, we have over here at.
Speaker 1:You know, whatever the street was, there's a bunch of cops pulling up ratchet news I had here written down that you talked about him being enraged when the money was like, because it was all like small bills in there. I guess I've written it because in that documentary they had talked about that he was like so pissed and like enraged about that. I mean still a good, take 300, some thousand, you know what I mean. But shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you guys are greedy for eight minutes worth of work. Yeah, not bad no, I'm sorry, I mean that's just the delivery. Of course there was months and months of planning and they had to buy the weapons, they had to buy the all of the shit they had to, you know, make their armor. They had to you name it.
Speaker 3:All the planning, all the everything I mean, that takes that takes time, but robbing a bank like these days is not, it's not going to be, it's not going to end. Well, you can't rob, you can't just rob a bank anymore.
Speaker 1:No, there's not like. I mean, there are banks, like we talked about that, but I don't think there's as much cash maybe in it, I don't know yeah, the cash needs on at branches anymore are?
Speaker 2:they vary, but they they are.
Speaker 1:Right. We're in a predominantly electronic world now Very true, it's got its good things, I guess, and bad.
Speaker 2:I still use cash. I love cash.
Speaker 1:Cash is king, like they say.
Speaker 2:Cash remains the king. Cash is good. Do you accept cash?
Speaker 1:Some people look at you strange sometimes. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:I think Hershey Park is card only right.
Speaker 2:That is correct.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of places are going card only.
Speaker 2:So that's a matter of internal control and I applaud that. I think that's good.
Speaker 3:Plus, you get a percentage for using the card anyway.
Speaker 1:Right, well, they get hit with it.
Speaker 3:They do. They take a little bit of a hit, but I think they make so much that it's easier for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's certainly a cost benefit. I won't bother going into it, but they're they've figured out that it's more beneficial to have one centralized payment system, one central or only a handful of places that are receding cash versus, you know, cash kiosks all over the place, people with cash registers all over the place, the additional accounting, the additional review, the additional all of that shit and people sk.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's no funny business with the cards. That's correct. Yeah, you're not taking a dollar here or there for yourself. All right, which probably happened back in the 80s.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Like crazy Mm-hmm At 9.24 am, with the bank's silent alarm triggered and 911 calls flooding in. Phillips and Matasoranu exited the bank Phillips from the north exit and Matasoranu from the south. They immediately realized they were surrounded. Undeterred, they decided to fight their way out. From the moment they stepped foot outside, they unleashed a barrage of gunfire, their automatic rifles and armor-piercing rounds tearing through police cruisers and shattering windows of nearby buildings. The outgunned officers returned fire with their service pistols and shotguns. But it soon became clear they were outmatched. So you know, you're a typical cop, right, and at this point these guys got guns and shotguns. And you're again, you're a cop.
Speaker 2:And you're thinking to yourself holy shit, I'm a cop, right, Respect something. By now there's. You know. Everybody's all grown up and everybody realized like the law always wins. I fought the law, the law won. So the law is always going to win. And here I am a cop. So the law is always going to win. And here I am a cop. And there's not just me, there's a bunch of my buddies here too. These two come out and they're like fuck it, let's go, and they just unload, bro.
Speaker 3:They just unload. Well, they had ak-47s, assault rifles, they were used by, like in vietnam and stuff like that. They're russian made and uh, I guess they had like the rounds in it, 223 fucking russians. But yeah, like, I guess the cops were just so overwhelmed because they had you know 10, 11 shots in a nine millimeter beretta. Some guys had like you know 38s or whatever, but um, there was nothing to stop these guys because they were clad in what body armor yeah, bulletproof shit, but uh, yeah, I thought that was uh pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:A couple of the cops were talking about like they were getting hit with shrapnel from the cars, like these bullets were going through the cars and then like metal and glass from the cars on the other side, like exploding asphalt was hitting them and they were getting shot as well. The one officer described he got shot in his lower back and in his butt and he said it like butt cheek and he's like the intense burning sensation like I've never been shot, thank god and I'm, you know. I don't know how many people have, but he said that the intense burning and the pain was just like unreal. But you have that adrenaline going as well, sure? Another gentleman said that he was shot in the ankle and it felt like somebody hit him with a hammer yeah but he was able to continue, like you know, moving himself to safety.
Speaker 3:But it was all adrenaline which, like I'm sure we'll get into later, is like what had to change for for cops today?
Speaker 1:yeah, for sure I I just can't.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine like they're. They're this amount. These guys are in a war zone.
Speaker 3:For fuck's sake yeah, if you're hearing like shot, shot, shot, and these guys, I was like yeah, just like you said unloading, unloading dude.
Speaker 2:The sheer firepower and advanced body armor worn by the assailants rendered the officers weapons nearly ineffective. Civilians caught in the crossfire ducked for cover. The sound of gunfire echoed across the neighborhood as residents and passersby sought shelter. Phillips and Matasoranu moved through the streets with terrifying purpose. Their every step a testament to their training and preparation. For the police. Each moment was a desperate struggle for survival. Officers took cover behind vehicles, buildings, trees, anything that offered protection. Helicopters circled overhead, broadcasting live images of the chaos to a stunned nation. Could you imagine being some just random dude that? Hey man, I'm just walking to the dentist's office. Hey man, I'm just walking to the corner store to lick a stow, you name it. I'm just walking to the corner store, the Lick-A-Stoe, you name it. I'm just walking by and you just happen to be walking by this shit's going on.
Speaker 1:Probably think they're filming a movie or something Right Like oh, they're doing Heat 2.
Speaker 2:This isn't even a drive-by. I'm walking and I could. Now I'm getting the walk-by.
Speaker 1:They were shooting at the news choppers too, and I've never, matt.
Speaker 2:I'd never heard that before. What'd you call the ghetto bird? Ghetto bird, ghetto bird. That's ice cube. I've never, ever heard that.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what he used to call it, like in LA, Cause they'd always be flying over anywhere. That that you know the rappers, or whatever we're at no cops looking for murder. So then here comes the ghetto bird. Yeah, ak-47 was the tool Assault rifle.
Speaker 1:But he says AK-47 was the tool. Don't act. A motherfucking fool or something like that. So maybe he's referencing this.
Speaker 3:But what's funny about this is, I mean, not funny at all, not ha-ha funny, not ha-ha funny. But these guys were able to get this body, armor and stuff all through buying it at army stores and things like that.
Speaker 1:Didn't they make it themselves?
Speaker 3:No, it was called um something three and two. The one guy had like a section three body armor suit that he put together. The other guy was like a section two or something like that. So it was like one is the three is the best.
Speaker 1:But um yeah, they were like pretty much head to, not quite so this is before amazon, yeah, yeah, so they were getting it pretty much head to, not quite so.
Speaker 3:This is before Amazon. Yeah, yeah, so they were getting it from like. Like you said Matt, army surplus Army surplus, Like yeah, finding this stuff to put together to make their own actual full-body armor suit.
Speaker 2:There was and there remains guns and ammo stores. I mean, that's still a thing for sure.
Speaker 1:But I wonder what that type stuff, like what the general public would need, bulletproof Like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Somebody goes by that, but now today you can't like it would pop up Like even if you were trying to get it yeah it would pop up on somebody's radar right away. You'd be like on a list. Yeah, you'd be on a list somewhere, cause it'd be like what would they need that for?
Speaker 2:Maybe, yeah, I pretty much so there, today, matt, I will definitely give you credit for that. So I won't, I wouldn't necessarily agree that it's going to trigger a of something or another. Instead, I'm saying, like from a, a federal perspective or whatever, like you know, if you, for an example, if you buy a, if you look to buy a silencer, or if you look to buy a any kind of particular or like a kickback to make your.
Speaker 2:There are a number of other weapons that you need but automatic yeah you have to go through an additional level of of clear security clearance I mean, yeah, that's going to automatically trigger ship, like with the, the, the. What is it with the atf? Alcohol, tobacco and firearm?
Speaker 2:yes, they don't like anything so for sure, stuff like that will trigger. But so I wouldn't necessarily agree with like the thing of like kevlar or bullshit bullets or whatever the fuck. But I would agree wholeheartedly, matt, with your assertion and I dude, I believe it more than a lot of people. These little things in our fucking pockets are listening to us all the time, even when they're off, they're still on.
Speaker 3:You're still hearing everything or listening to your family conversations.
Speaker 2:Your televisions are listening to you smart tv I promise you they're listening to you family conversations. Your televisions are listening to you. You got smart TV.
Speaker 3:I promise you they're listening to you Because right when you mention something, you see a commercial for it, but 20 minutes later that's why you can't take the batteries out anymore.
Speaker 1:They're not off.
Speaker 3:I mean, as we speak I think George Carlin said it there is a group of people that are controlling pretty much everything and we are not. It Not?
Speaker 1:yet we're working on it, yeah, getting there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're working on it. Oh, ps, every time I say mata serrano, I think of the the rapper dude? No, I think the reggae guy no, I think of the black guy from uh major league oh, um serrano serrano yeah I thought yours, joe boo yeah, he had little joe boo in his locker.
Speaker 1:That's great, him he's like joe boo bless this bad joe boo there was a reggae dude white reggae dude named mara shahu okay, that's what I was thinking, oh yeah, you don't know, mara shahu no, what does he say?
Speaker 3:name one of mara shahu's songs um king for a day or king no I don't know something like that you'll know it if I play it.
Speaker 2:Did he sing about sacrificing a live chicken Like Seranu from?
Speaker 1:Major League. That's a good movie, though. Major League.
Speaker 3:Part of that was in Harrisburg right, major League 2.
Speaker 2:They didn't get to sacrifice the live chicken. Instead they bought him a bucket of KFC. Is this close enough? Yeah, all right. As the situation grew dire, officers resorted to extreme measures. They commandeered five high-powered rifles from a nearby gun store, hoping to penetrate the assailant's body. Armor Still, phillips and Matasoranu fought on, refusing to surrender or retreat. Their vehicle, filled with more ammunition and explosives, posed both an additional threat and a means of potential escape. Swat teams finally arrived With their tactical gear and training. They became integral in the fight, steadily advancing and formulating strategies to subdue the assailants. The sight of specifically trained officers moving in with heavier equipment boosted the morale of the outgunned officers. By now, over 350 cops had arrived and nearly a dozen officers and eight civilians had been shot. As much as the officers wanted to overcome the robbers, they had to rescue their injured comrades too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, SWAT Special Weapons and Tactics.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I had to look that up.
Speaker 2:I had. Thanks to reading up on this. I learned that ambulances and paramedics and shit they will not go into what's called like a hot zone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where there's live fire going on.
Speaker 3:They won't do that. They didn't sign on for that in their job.
Speaker 2:But that's interesting because I compare that to, let's say, I'm watching band of brothers, right? Or if I'm watching world war ii, or medics, right, they're going in like medic, yeah, so medics going right into fucking fire and they're not armed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're not armed, or anything. Half of them are pacifists?
Speaker 1:yeah, I wonder if, yeah, it's weird, yeah, isn't?
Speaker 3:that that was a thing. I think it like they would make. They would either be like journalists or they'd be like medics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you were like a pacifist, because you could say that yeah, yeah, like if you're dressed so that Of course happened to Vietnam, so if you're drafted I mean there's even earlier than that, but for sure it's like look man, I don't like guns, I'm a pacifist, whatever Okay, but you still need to be drafted, asshole.
Speaker 3:So we're gonna do a job, you're gonna do something but they they were saying like, um, yeah, injured people were just going down everywhere. Oh, my god, yeah and uh, cops like I think a lot of people were just going trying to rescue cops, like get them out of where they were at, because these guys just came, they would like go in the bank for a minute, come back out, load their stuff from the back of the car with thousands of rounds and just unload well that one, the one cop they were uhiling on there.
Speaker 1:he dragged himself like 30 yards over behind a tree and he was literally they played a 9-1-1 call. He was the one that shot in the arm and the leg he was all over to play a shot and he was in and out of contact. You could hear it in his voice Like it was bad and they were trying to get to him. But I mean there's being and shots fired everywhere. It was like a chaotic.
Speaker 3:It was a war zone, it's mayhem man, this is nuts.
Speaker 2:This shit does not happen. This is like some guy that puts you know however many I'm sorry, not two However many tons of armor plating onto a bulldozer.
Speaker 1:I was going to say they should have called in and killed him or take these guys out.
Speaker 2:This is the same shit man this stuff does. That's not fucking happening.
Speaker 3:Dave was saying earlier like the cops were so overwhelmed because just the pieces of the cars were shattering. The glass is shattering. They got nine millimeter Berettas that they're sitting there like taking 12 pop shots you might as well be shooting a BB gun. But these guys would like just take it because their body armor was so up to date. They weren't like armor piercing or anything like that or any type of high round ammunition.
Speaker 1:So these guys were just standing there when they these guys are like what the hell are we supposed to do?
Speaker 3:it's exploding.
Speaker 2:These cans are defective yeah, exploding everywhere, crazy, the jerk, the jerk, yeah, nice why don't we do that yet?
Speaker 2:we're not done, we'll get through these. The tide began to turn when phillips uncharacteristically displayed signs of panic because until now these two hadn't met resistance during their robberies. Phillips dropped the money bag and made his way to their getaway car. Exiting the bank parking lot, he walked alongside the vehicle while Matasaranu slowly drove it. Stepping away from the vehicle, phillips engaged two officers on his own. During the melee, phillips' rifle malfunctioned, leading him to draw a handgun and continue firing. Now armed with the same feeble weapons as the police officers, the situation was soon to end for Phillips. During the exchange, phillips was miraculously shot in the hand, the same hand he was using to fire the pistol. With the pistol now in his other hand, he raised it to his chin. A shot came from the pistol and killed him instantly.
Speaker 1:At the same moment, one of the officer's shots went through philip's shoulder and severed his spine yeah, and they were saying on that documentary that they, they were um they didn't know if he committed suicide or not, right then he maybe, like, was trying to reload it or cock it back, but the one hand was damaged, obviously from being shot, so they want to think that maybe it went off by accident.
Speaker 2:I'm so this is the part we. I think this is how it came up, how this came. This whole topic of this particular occurrence came up and I swore up and down that we had done this podcast somehow.
Speaker 1:I do remember you saying this now.
Speaker 2:So this guy, I am of the belief of that particular police officer that had meant that, of that school of thought that had said there's no way this guy committed suicide. I think that he just and I agree with him, I think that he just wanted to. He was trying to cock the weapon with one hand, using his chin, like to hold it, like you know, put your chin down to your chest and you know you just hold it and like yeah yeah, I think that's what he was trying to do.
Speaker 2:I absolutely believe he was trying to do that. Put in a new clip and be done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this guy wasn't trying to go out. No, he was just going to go out like getting shot, ain't going out. Yeah, right, save Brazil yeah.
Speaker 2:All he had at this point was a shot on his hand, that's it. I guess his rifle malfunctioned, because what did they say that caused that?
Speaker 3:It's a chimney, chimney, uh the. The bullet gets stuck, popped up inside the chamber.
Speaker 1:So the chamber goes to load the next bullet and the shelling.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the shell gets caught up like that, so it's stuck wow stove stove piped stove pipe good call stuffing not to be confused with hot box.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stove pipe, that's definitely stove pipe stuffing
Speaker 2:yeah, that's good stuff I do love stove pipe stuffing.
Speaker 3:It is delicious, god damn. It only takes a minute. You just like boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so bad for you, but it's so good I think I'm gonna buy that now.
Speaker 1:God damn, that's good I think I'm gonna stuff my thanksgiving turkey with stovepipe stuffing yeah, I like the chicken one, but you ever try the uh they have like turkey yeah, they have a couple different ones.
Speaker 2:They got a nice sage flavored one. Yeah, it's delicious.
Speaker 3:I like the stovepipe stuffing and ramen noodle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ramen noodle. What Bang so good.
Speaker 3:Wait say, what Say what the ramen noodle?
Speaker 2:How are you mixing stovepipe stuffing with ramen noodle?
Speaker 3:Because they're both quick and easy.
Speaker 1:You put them together, no, no, I'm just saying, you like them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like them both, like for a quick, easy meal. I'm thinking like man, I want to carve up my carbs there was a time in my life where stove the stovetop stuffing would be like a dinner oh, dude shit yeah oh yeah, but like, if I didn't have that then, like the ramen would be like next man, you, you know you were having a I was a poor.
Speaker 2:I was a poor person for a time you know you might you were having like a good week at work, or it was payday when you had a box of stovetop stuffing.
Speaker 3:You bought yourself like a half a pound of turkey lunch meat and a can of gravy and you were like fuck, yeah, man this is my thanksgiving dinner. No, it'd be stovetop stuffing. And you go get one of those like like, uh, the chickens from like a giant or yeah, the rotisserie oh, damn, that's baller. That is yeah, right, and then maybe some green beans just in case, so good.
Speaker 1:I saw this, uh, this meme it was. You guys ever watched the bear? Of course, yeah, you know, he's like a chef, incredible show. So they have a picture of, uh, what's his name? Jeremy Allen, something or something. I don't know what the guy's name is Jeremy Allen Greer fit and then it and it. It says this is me when I crack an egg in my ramen.
Speaker 4:He basically like I'm like I'm, like I'm such a chef I'm like you know what I mean, like you're putting something together there.
Speaker 1:But that's me. I do crack an egg in my ramen you two church it up.
Speaker 2:I think we talked about this, maybe we didn't, but just in case we didn't, which I think we didn't, I'm still doing this. In cup of noodles, bro, you get me that styrofoam cup and some boiling water and that's it.
Speaker 3:Add some water.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to church up ramen. I don't know how to make ramen other than again the Nissen cup of noodles, shit. I just said that's the only ramen.
Speaker 3:I know, yeah, I don't like soup ramen, I like noodles ramen. You can add whatever you want to it. Put chicken in there.
Speaker 2:I to do with that goddamn pack of stuff like the brick.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't know what to do with that shit and then you get to the edge of the one of the seasonings, where they're like this is this is not tampered with. You ever seen one of those packets where they get near the end? And it looks like, it's like and they're like this is not tampered with, it's the end of the roll or whatever. Yeah, yeah, you're good. I still don't eat. I throw it up. Don't sense a pack the hell it's true.
Speaker 2:So I, from what I gather, you use those flavor packets for ramen noodles that that's used to make a chichi, which is a prison food oh yeah, it's a prison delicacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were talking about that. They embalm you guys.
Speaker 3:They embalm people with that stuff, I think. I think it's just like some sort of salt.
Speaker 2:It's not even real dude, it's straight dude it's, it's straight salt, it's msg yeah, you know me, it's you down with msg. It's extra enhanced msg. It's not even real dude, it's straight dude, it's a straight salt, it's msg. Yeah, you know me, it's you down with msg. It's extra enhanced msg.
Speaker 3:It's like msg on crack. Yeah, yeah, you could snort that stuff and be high for like two hours speaking of on crack and two guys that were on barbiturates barbiturates.
Speaker 2:The sight of phillips lying lifeless finally brought a glimmer of hope to the embattled officers, but the fight was not over yet. His fall marked a pivotal moment, but the remaining threat of Matasorano still loomed large. While attempting to flee in their vehicle, which now had two flat tires thanks to gunshots, matasorano tried carjacking a passerby's pickup truck. After transferring all of his weapons and ammo to the hijacked truck, matasorano soon discovered that the truck was immobilized as the driver had engaged a kill switch inside the vehicle. Within seconds and I mean seconds three officers from the SWAT team arrived and the shootout reconvened. Despite his makeshift body armor, officers managed to incapacitate him with careful, coordinated shots to his legs. At 9.59 am, matasaranu eventually surrendered, screaming out in pain and frustration. As he lay on the ground, grave, gravely wounded. Officers cautiously and methodically approached, eventually securing the scene. Madisaranu died 70 minutes later in the same spot where he'd surrendered, having succumbed to massive blood loss from the 29 gunshots that had hit his legs on that documentary they referenced that he bl bled out.
Speaker 1:That's insane.
Speaker 3:We'll see on the movie the 44 minutes they showed. I guess the SWAT team came up and he started unloading with the automatic. So they were down on the ground and I guess this one guy was like dude, he's wearing sneakers or something like that, or like a shoe, so they started just going at the shoe and then, like it hurt. They did like 20 shots to like his his leg, his foot, his foot so then, when he fell to the ground, they just started unloading on his legs so that's how that worked.
Speaker 2:So this guy, madisarana, is using the, the police vehicle or, I'm sorry, he's using his vehicle yeah, the truck there as cover right right so all the other cop, the, as he's standing there, the, the cops are hiding behind their vehicles shooting back yeah, they all just went down to the ground but they're shooting so modest around. It was trying to shoot from a prone position. The cops are laying on the ground shooting under the car at his fucking feet, so eventually they're gonna hit.
Speaker 3:I mean, even a broke-ass clock is right twice a week or twice a day yeah, I guess the the one SWAT guy was like looking right at his feet, he's like holy shit. So they just started unloading like whatever they had right on his feet and after his feet gave way cause they had like 10, 15 shots in them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like taking a trip.
Speaker 3:Then he fell to the ground and then they just started unloading on his legs.
Speaker 1:You know, what's crazy too with this crime is, this is one where, like, they literally have footage of all this because it's just like the copters were the ghetto pigeons. Yeah, ghetto bird pigeons ghetto eagle are flying all over the place like recording everything I made it more american that's american, but that seems like in la that everything's always like oh my god, it's constantly everything is on camera that that copter never.
Speaker 2:It apparently never sets down right. You can see everything going on. I neglected to mention when with uh phillips, who in my opinion died accidentally by trying to reload his weapon using his chin to his chest- right so he died right. He died immediately from that gunshot in the, from the severing of the spine, right. When the cops approached him, despite him being dead and I mean dead as fried chicken they still cuffed him.
Speaker 2:For real, that's a good dude, that's apparently a standard operating procedure and I would love to hear officer vince chime in on that, the sop just in case they come back again. It's just like look I don't give a shit, even if the guy doesn't have hands anymore and it's going to slide off of his wrist, you gotta cuff him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, officer vince ought to let us know on that, yeah please, please, officer Vince shoot us a message on that one.
Speaker 3:But what you said about everything being on camera, I guess when the shootout started there was like a camera crew that came in and started like talking about it. So I guess they had this one like hot shot guy trying to move in get like footage and I guess one of the LAPD was like dude, get the hell out of here. He's like that dude from Die Hard. Yeah, he's like what are you doing? Man, get out of here. So I guess like yeah, like you said, there were cameras everywhere just documenting this.
Speaker 2:Matt, I'm thankful that you'd mentioned there's a movie about this and the movie's called 44 Minutes. Yes, until we just started recording this, I had no idea that the movie existed, had no idea had no idea.
Speaker 3:It was michael madsen. And who's the guy that says slapping the bass man, that guy yeah, I don't know. He's like a SWAT team. Cop in there dan akroyd.
Speaker 1:No, I saw it when I looked up, you know, this north hollywood shootout because I was looking for that documentary that you sent me. But I did use the link then but I was looking on like fire, the fire stake or whatever, and I looked up north hollywood shootout and it took me to that movie and I was like, oh, that's not what I'm looking for. But that's the only reason I knew about it um ron livingston.
Speaker 3:You guys know who that is. Yeah from office space yeah, michael madsen, mario van peoples was in it. I mean not an all-star cast, but I mean I'll watch it for michael madsen alone, I love that exactly. Yeah, michael madsen's cool. Yeah, he is cool.
Speaker 2:Matt, your favorite part the denouement. The denouement the gunfight lasted for 35 minutes. The whole incident lasted for 44 minutes, becoming one of the longest and most violent events in police history. Reports indicate that nearly 2,000 rounds were fired during the exchange, 1,100 of which were from Phillips and Montessorano and 650 came from the police. In the end, 11 police officers and eight civilians were injured, but, remarkably, the only lives lost that day were those of Phillips and Matasoranu. God was looking down that day. Well, this incident prompted a nationwide reassessment of police equipment and tactics, leading many departments to upgrade their arsenals with more powerful firearms and advanced body armor. So there you go, matt. This was, in fact, as you had alluded, or at least mentioned, not alluded, you mentioned. This really taught a lot of police departments to. We really got to rethink what we're doing.
Speaker 3:We got to up our ante here. Yeah, we got to up the game, but can you imagine like 650 rounds by cops From the police? Yeah, and this was before they, I guess they went to, like like you said, they went to a gun shop and said, hey, we need whatever you have, some sort of automatic weapon. They didn't even get a chance to really get those ready to go, but they're just shooting rounds at these guys. These guys are just getting hit and being like, ah, fuck it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's true, like Superman.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That'd be scary, because you're like on another building right and just I guess. Well, I don't know if police again.
Speaker 3:This was another part of like the tactics, or getting the SWAT team ready with a sniper we can, monday morning quarterback the shit out of this yeah, I just wonder like, do they have like police departments have like a sniper?
Speaker 3:I mean we can't, oh for sure we can't even really guard like the president or somebody running for president these days. Yeah, that's yeah, where you have a guy basically on a roof with a rifle to snipe and they're like uh, just a hick mullet too, man yeah and they're like maybe later we'll get this guy.
Speaker 1:I don't know, like a headshot on these guys.
Speaker 2:You know it would have been indeed, a headshot would have taken them out. Fun fact Phillips wore 43 pounds of Kevlar, which covered his entire body, from his neck to his ankles, which tells me that the only thing exposed would have been or susceptible to hits would have been his two feet, his two hands and his head. However, matasoranu made his own makeshift body armor, that is to say, he used a bulletproof vest and ballistic metal plates. So he had nothing on his arms, nothing on his legs and nothing on his head. All he had was the shit covering his vital organs In the middle. Yeah, maybe he had Colossus's metal underwear, I don't fucking know. But, dude, all he had was the chest stuff. So anything else would have been a hit, and yet Matasarana was the last one to die. That's insane.
Speaker 3:I don't understand, with 650 rounds, what were the cops aiming at? Or was it just the barrage was so much they really couldn't even?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think they were able to line up yeah, so the distance these guys were a few hundred yards from these guys, right. And so when you start invoking the use of a pistol from that great of a distance I don't care who we are, man, especially in the heat of the moment you're gonna fucking miss, especially when you're being fired at in return, like all you get to do is pop up, get a couple shots and you pop back down yeah, it's got to be tough.
Speaker 3:I think I did see something on youtube or when we were talking about this. Uh, the cops were saying, like people go through their whole career without even pulling their firearm, true, right. So at that moment where you're, it's like like it's blowing up your cop car in front of you and you're trying to grab your 13 shots right of your nine millimeter, like you're not really sitting there quietly like getting an aim, like you're doing at a, at a range. Right there's somebody shooting at you.
Speaker 2:That's correct, absolutely. Look, this is taking nothing in any way, shape or form you know, away from the cops, like these guys were. This shit does not happen.
Speaker 1:This is a serious heat of the moment type thing yeah, everything's when somebody's not punching you back, right, it's not something that they were preparing for no, not at all anyway, but there's probably a lot of like ducking down and shooting you know what I mean like trying to get a shot off, or even if you're preparing for it.
Speaker 3:Like I don't think your body or your mind is nothing can prepare you for, like I could die here any second. No, and that's why I mean I give those guys so much credit because I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 2:I got a couple more fun facts. Just in case, do you guys have anything?
Speaker 1:no, no, all right.
Speaker 2:So, uh, we've talked about the. Uh, no, I'll do this fun fact first. Uh, fun fact. Uh, they had sewn stopwatches into their gloves. They actually learned that trick from watching uh heat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did see that in the documentary yeah they showed that on the movie, but what was that about? Like why?
Speaker 2:it's so, you don't you, so you don't have to twist your arm to make sure that your watch is face, is facing you and it's twisting the right way it's just there. You're able to put your watch wherever. I'm sorry, you're able to put that watch face wherever you want it to be, what you know you're going to access quickly and it's never going to move I always thought it was something like they said that the uh like snipers are guys in combat.
Speaker 3:they put their watch like that, Cause that's the way that you would hold your gun.
Speaker 1:And we can look at your.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, you will put it to the your wrist. It would be turned backwards your watch. That way, when you're firing can always see what time it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, maybe it's true, just in case I can. I got to run and get some stove.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we've talked about what they were carrying and just subtle details here and there, but here and there. But here's the actual whole list, the all-inclusive list of the guns and ammo carried by Phillips or brought by Phillips and Montessorano. They included three AK-47s with 75 and 100 round drum magazines, one M16 fully automatic Bushmaster rifle with 100round drum magazines, one M16 fully automatic Bushmaster rifle with 100-round drum magazines, one HK91. That HK stands for Heckler and Koch, heckler and Koch.
Speaker 3:Koch, koch. I think it's Koch I think it's Koch.
Speaker 2:Is it Koch? I think it's Koch yeah it's another, it's some country. Heckler and Koch semi-automatic rifle with 30 round magazines, two nine millimeter beretta pistols, one 38 caliber revolver and drum roll 3 000 rounds, which included armor piercing rounds fuck, that's a lot yeah that's a lot bruh for a bank robbery, a single bank robbery but I think they knew it was, it was time like I think they had everything ready for whatever would occur but were they anticipating that much?
Speaker 1:uh, I guess, well, I guess. So I guess they knew going in that you know all resources would be would be sent there. I just wonder like it's la bruh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why so? That's another thing too, man. Why don't go to the suburbs, man, go someplace else. You could hit up like five banks and you could get the same amount three cop cars.
Speaker 1:Well, I had this written down too. They said this in the beginning of that that that documentary la is the bank robbery capital of the world, no shit. So that's why they in the beginning they they started with that.
Speaker 3:So I'm like that's yeah, it's pretty crazy I mean you don't hear it anymore today, like you don't turn on the news, be like there was a bank robbery at blah blah. I mean not that it's not still possible, but no, not as much maybe as it was back in the day so that's all I've got on the north hollywood shootout and I, again, I'm very thankful that we reminded that.
Speaker 2:We were reminded that we did not do this as a podcast. Very happy, because I I mean, the story is just so bananas it's. It's completely worthwhile to have done this as a podcast.
Speaker 1:It definitely was. Yeah, I wasn't aware of it. I wasn't when you were talking about it. I'd never heard about this before.
Speaker 3:Really you didn't no Big news when we were like, still young.
Speaker 1:That night I looked it up, you know I just Googled when we were like still young. That night I looked it up, you know, I just googled. Uh, I think I looked up like uh, armor piercing bullets and something about a highway I thought it had something to do with like on a highway or something like that and I was like, well, I don't know this story right, but no, it was a good one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, hollywood's up to no good. Hey guys, can you wrap?
Speaker 2:it up.
Speaker 3:Oh, there it is all right man, just in time she is ready for bed she is prompt.
Speaker 2:It's bedtime for bonzo. It's bedtime for bonzo, yeah another ronald reagan.
Speaker 1:There you go indeed the old rager. But yeah, I appreciate everyone's eyes a good one, so we'll definitely be back. You guys get anything else in closing on this?
Speaker 3:no, just um, it's uh odd that something like that, like that, has to happen to for the people that we pay to protect us, to make them like, hey, we're not on the same level as people are out there today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was what 1997?. So you think about, I mean, I'm sure a lot of changes have happened since then.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, today I mean they call in like SWAT right away. They have like snipers on rooftops, but then again, like there was something that happened recently, that they didn't have anybody prepared.
Speaker 2:So it's the squeaky wheel that gets you greasing. And our poor guys in blue are out there, you know, defending us and protecting us and serving us, and you know God bless him. God bless Officer Vince, god bless all, all of the police officers and I hate hearing, or you know, reading stuff like this that you know these, these poor guys, are stuck with administrative bureaucracy and bullshit and boards and commissions and you name it, that are looking to, I don't know they need to cut budgets or watch budgets or do whatever, and this is the result of it. I mean inadequate weapons, inadequate defense. It's awful.
Speaker 3:That's not my America. Yeah, at least they know they're on an even playing ground. They can get the same weapons that somebody who's trying to hurt them or kill them. You know level playing field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't want to be out-armed. You know what I mean the police. They cannot be out-armed.
Speaker 3:Basically knife to gunfight. You don't want that that's right.
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