V.C.R. Presents: Kingpin (1996)

What if a washed-up bowler could find redemption and hilarity amidst gutter balls and sugar in gas tanks? Join us as we tumble down the lanes of "Kingpin," the 1996 comedy classic by the Farrelly brothers. Zap, who shockingly had never seen the film until now, shares his newfound admiration for its unique humor that has garnered a cult following over the years. We chat about the unforgettable performances of Woody Harrelson, Randy Quaid, and Vanessa Angel, not to mention Bill Murray's iconic turn as Ernie McCracken. From the surprising filming locations in Nevada and Pennsylvania to the Farrelly brothers' comedic genius, there's plenty to strike your fancy.

We humorously recount the unpredictable twists and turns of the film's plot, as washed-up bowler Roy discovers the Amish prodigy Ishmael and embarks on a wild road trip to a national tournament. Our discussion takes us through the quirky dynamics between Roy and Ishmael and the outrageous antics of Ernie McCracken. Bill Murray's improvisational flair and the film's hilarious quotes round out the discussion, delivering laughs and insights that will make you want to revisit this bowling comedy gem. And yes, we even reminisce about the nostalgia of 80s movies and vintage sodas like Tab - because what's a trip down memory lane without a few quirky detours?

As we reflect on "Kingpin's" enduring charm, we unravel fascinating behind-the-scenes stories, like Lynn Shay's unexpected casting as the landlady and the intriguing potential casting choices of Jim Carrey and Michael Keaton. Discover how Randy Quaid played a pivotal role in bringing Bill Murray to the film, and why a simple bowling ball could hold the key to comedic genius. We wrap it all up with a nod to the film's iconic soundtrack, cameos from Blues Traveler, and fun anecdotes about bowling alleys that remain frozen in time since the 1980s. Grab your bowling shoes and tune in for a fun-packed episode that's sure to spare you from boredom!

Chapters

• 0:01 Vintage Cinema Review
• 5:58 Kingpin Film Discussion
• 16:39 Bowling and Golf
• 27:17 Cross-Country Road Trip Adventures
• 39:52 Bowling Comedy Film Analysis
• 45:50 Bowling Comedy Film Discussion
• 54:06 Bowling Fun Facts and Stories
• 1:04:49 Hilarious Insights on Comedy Film
• 1:11:18 Bowling Comedy Film Reflection

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

thanks for tuning in to the vintage cinema review on this week's episode.

Speaker 2: 0:05

We're covering from 1996 kingpin 90s comedic gem exploring the themes of second chances, redemption, friendship and the unpredictable twists of life in bowling I learned that you don't mow another man's lawn unless you want to pull a munson on your neighbor that's right.

Speaker 1: 0:22

Yeah, this is one of my all-time favorites. I actually own this movie, so I was excited to do it. We hope you're enjoying our podcast. Speaking of which, if you are, leave us a five-star rating on Spotify, on Apple, a written review, and sit back, relax and enjoy. From 1996, kingpin. Hey, this is Dave. Matt and Zap, and welcome to the vintage cinema review where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past hey, there ain't no late fees here silence is golden and be kind rewind looks like you got a uh vcr dvd classic one in there today combo the combo.

Speaker 3: 1:09

They taste so delightful yeah, do they still have the combo? Can you buy them? I don't know. I don't know if you could purchase that.

Speaker 1: 1:14

I have one over there yeah, so this is my pick this week, kingpin.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Yeah, all right. So I had never. Until this episode, I had never seen this movie and, dave, thank you for bringing this movie into my life.

Speaker 3: 1:27

Which we thought yeah, we thought you were joking about that. No kind of Never saw it.

Speaker 2: 1:30

Never saw it, I for sure thought this would be in your wheelhouse. It is. I don't know how I slept on this, but hey, better late than never, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:39

That's right, and if the listeners out there haven't seen Kingpin, definitely check it out. I mean we'll get to the review obviously at the end with our rating, but I will say this is one of my all-time favorites. Whoa All time.

Speaker 2: 1:51

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:51

Dang. That's saying a lot, bro, Is that months in on this one?

Speaker 1: 2:00

I tell you guys, like before when we talked on another podcast, like I'm not a big comedy movie guy, like I've watched them once through, maybe, and there's a lot that I haven't seen, like I just recently saw step brothers, for instance that's right and uh like movies like that. But for some reason, these fairly brother movies, I love them. Now I will say that I haven't seen all of them which we talked about. Yeah, there's uh quite a few I missed, but this one is one of this.

Speaker 2: 2:19

One's probably my favorite, more than dumb and dumber actually yeah, we were talking of of the dozen or so uh, farelli brothers movies I have seen farelli, is that farel? Farelli, is that the right name? Fairly, fairly yeah I have seen now four. Up until recently only three, but now four yeah so, yeah, there's uh, and there's apparently a good number out there. I still need to see they have like a cult following.

Speaker 3: 2:41

I think they're not like like huge, yeah, yeah they have, they have a cult following. I think they're not like huge. Yeah, they have a cult following.

Speaker 1: 2:46

For sure, and there's actually a good TV series they did called Loudermilk. It's on Netflix and I highly recommend it. It's with the guy from Office Space.

Speaker 3: 2:56

And what's his name?

Speaker 2: 2:57

Ron Livingston. Ron Livingston.

Speaker 3: 2:59

Ron Livingston. But there's the other guy.

Speaker 1: 3:05

I just saw his comedy the other night at a hershey theater um from laudermilk. He was in oh, uh, will sasso.

Speaker 2: 3:10

No, no, that's ted lasso yeah, ted lasso, did you see that thursday night?

Speaker 3: 3:14

yes, yes, at the hershey theater.

Speaker 1: 3:17

Yes yeah, who was the comedian?

Speaker 2: 3:19

that's the thing. I know that there was a comedy show thursday night and I ended up meeting somebody and talked to them about that and they said that yo yeah, we went to this uh show th Thursday night. And I ended up meeting somebody and talked to them about that and they said that yo yeah, we went to this show Thursday night and it was some comedian, so, yeah, I never heard of them.

Speaker 3: 3:31

Friends of Megan's. They were like we have tickets, you guys want to go. We're like, yeah sure we got nothing else to do, but the guy was pretty funny.

Speaker 1: 3:38

Yeah, but he was from Laud. But back to the movie. Today's movie, oh yes, we digress. Yeah, let's get back to it. So Kingpin released in 1996, July 26, 1996 to be exact. It was rated R with a runtime of 114 minutes. Not a long movie? No, not at all. No.

Speaker 2: 3:58

I mean, if you use the industry standard of two hours, right, I mean, that's the good ballpark I think you know? Know, just shy, that was wait. Did you say an hour and 14 114, 114 yeah, almost two hours.

Speaker 3: 4:09

Yep, it still seems long for this movie, though maybe towards the end, I don't know. You see, the industry standard two hours is like that's, that's like regular today.

Speaker 2: 4:17

Yeah, that's a short movie see, and I think two hours just because of shit that they fill into a television like a television time slot. But it obviously has to be less than that so you can fit in the commercials. That's true yeah, commercial.

Speaker 1: 4:30

So this was directed by the Farrelly brothers, that's Peter and Bobby, written by Barry Fenaro and Mort Nathan, who, mort Nathan, went on later to work on Loudermilk with these two, produced by Brad Creevoy, steve Stabler and Bradley Thomas, produced by Brad Creevoy, steve Stabler and Bradley Thomas. And this was filmed in Nevada and Pennsylvania. Yeah, so a lot out near Pittsburgh, mars, pennsylvania, which is like a suburb, I believe, and then in Nevada at the Silver Legacy Resort Casino and the National Bowling Stadium at the end for the big tournament at the end. So just between those two places. Now the Pittsburgh PA was supposed to be the Amish country in Scranton.

Speaker 3: 5:09

Right, what does it look like? Amish country? You really couldn't tell.

Speaker 1: 5:12

Yeah, PA is pretty much the same.

Speaker 2: 5:14

You find yourself a field and a farm. It all looks the same.

Speaker 1: 5:18

Absolutely so. Budget on this $25 million.

Speaker 2: 5:23

Box office $32.2 million okay, he made his money back. They made their money back plus a few extra million. I mean, that's a look. I call that a win it's.

Speaker 1: 5:32

It's not a blockbuster, but it it juice was worth the squeeze now there is a fun fact at the end that might have had an effect on this in the budget, so we'll find out, okay, when we wrap it up.

Speaker 3: 5:42

They thought it would make more, though I guess they were a little they were a little upset.

Speaker 1: 5:45

Yeah, they were butthurt on it, a little disappointed. It did well in.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Uh, like reynolds and and colt falling obviously yeah, I mean, look you're, you're gonna have some strikes and gutters absolutely.

Speaker 1: 5:55

Yeah, right, there you go. I like that. So that's pretty much it for that.

Speaker 2: 5:58

I'll turn it over to zap for the cast all right, the cast of Kingpin includes, but is not limited to, woody Harrelson as Roy Munson, will Rothar as a young Roy Munson, daniel Green as ishmael borg, william jordan as mr borg, prudence holmes as mrs borg, rob moran as stanley osmansky, vanessa angel as claudia. She's every man's type she has. She has richard tyson as the owner of stiffies and chris elliott as the gambler.

Speaker 3: 6:51

Yeah, I love chris elliott I like, yeah, I like this cameo in this yeah, he's cool yeah look, not for nothing.

Speaker 2: 6:58

I hadn't seen richard tyson since the 80s richard tyson. I'm trying to remember he was a boxer in the 80s dick tyson yeah I want to say it was that had to be an 80s movie had to be.

Speaker 1: 7:11

Now I'm trying to picture him. I just watched this yesterday.

Speaker 2: 7:13

Well, he played he played the bully, he played buddy revel in three o'clock high oh, yeah, yeah, okay, okay like that's the face. Like as soon as I saw that face, I was holy shit man, that's buddy revel, holy cow, that's a great movie. Three o' as I saw that face, I was like holy shit man, that's Buddy Revell, holy cow, that's a great movie Three O'Clock High. It is man. Yeah, yeah, it's a good one.

Speaker 1: 7:29

I get that confused with my Bodyguard, which is another one that was highly recommended for us to review.

Speaker 2: 7:34

Never saw it my.

Speaker 1: 7:34

Bodyguard from the 80s.

Speaker 2: 7:36

I think of Kevin Costner and Whitney bodyguard.

Speaker 1: 7:40

This is my bodyguard Shout out to Brooklyn Bryan. He loves that movie. He's like, oh you got to do it someday 80s movie yeah early 80s.

Speaker 2: 7:47

We talked about that before.

Speaker 1: 7:48

Like 80, early 80s, I believe so.

Speaker 2: 7:50

That's a song by Young the Giant right my body, yes, my body, that's right. I don't even know, that's right, that's right, that's right my body tells me no, but I want more that's right.

Speaker 1: 8:05

So I guess that's it for that fun stuff. We'll turn it over to Matt for a brief synopsis okay, we actually have the DVD here of Kingpin it's out of my collection.

Speaker 3: 8:12

Yes, legit the Dave collection. This one has includes footage not shown in theaters. This is additional that's an extra and it starts with two thumbs up, uh, way up by siskel and ebert, which is which is odd for this movie. I guess they like like a fairly brothers type yeah, I mean they're usually pretty harsh on stuff.

Speaker 2: 8:30

Yeah especially like this kind of this kind of comedy I saw they gave it three and a half out of four stars. And look dave, look, I appreciate it. It's a good movie. But to hear that kind of rating come out of siskel or ebert like that's, I don't know that speaks volumes. Maybe, like Matt had said, it's just something they dug, who knows?

Speaker 1: 8:46

you would think with uh like film critics that comedies like they, they probably think of them as like lowbrow sure throw away, you know oh, there's no real cinematography here in the storyline, but this one obviously they enjoyed.

Speaker 3: 9:00

I think yeah, because like Woody Harrelson's acting and also um Bill's acting in this, I think was very good acting.

Speaker 1: 9:07

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 9:08

The guys who brought you there something about Mary and Dumb and Dumber strike again with a gut-busting farce. That's just too funny, says the Los Angeles Times. Woody Harrelson, randy Quaid and Vanessa Angel come up winners in this raucous joke-on-a-second comedy with plenty of balls. In this raucous joke-on-a-second comedy with plenty of balls, harrelson is Roy Munson, a pro bowler who seems destined for greatness, or as close to greatness as a bowler can get. But after a run-in with angry competitors, roy finds himself sadder, wiser and minus his bowling hand. Years later he meets the naive Ishmael Quaid and Amish bowling whiz Together they set out for a million-dollarnament in Reno and along the way they pick up Claudia Angel, a sexy vixen with brains, attitude and really big Ideas. With her help they make it to the tournament. But will Roy and Ishmael Win the big match and score fame and fortune, or will their hopes and dreams Just go barreling down the gutter? We give you Kingpin.

Speaker 2: 10:07

Nice, jesus Christ. That was the whole fucking movie.

Speaker 3: 10:09

Yeah, we don't need. Yeah, we're okay. Thanks, guys, thanks.

Speaker 2: 10:12

Look, I feel kind of I might as well just walk out. Yeah, dude, that was the whole movie, and all of that was printed on the back of a DVD.

Speaker 3: 10:25

Yes, out of our. Sometimes I pull up different ones. This, this was the actual dvd jesus christ. When I pull up the brief synapses, if I put that in the old you know, smart box there usually comes up with something a little short and sweet not for nothing.

Speaker 2: 10:32

I think whoever composed that and put that on the back of dave's dvd was a fucking dickhead I think I just hit the fun facts button might as well. No, and I say that because, look, don't you want to leave some kind of element of I don't know surprise, some you know cliffhanger, like oh, here's just a little tidbit, here's a tidbit. No, man, that was literally the whole goddamn movie.

Speaker 3: 10:49

They're like Roy meets an Amish guy, amish guy, they meet a girl. Girl. Go to Reno. Reno bowl, Bowl over.

Speaker 1: 10:53

That's the movie, pretty much Jesus. Well, get to the mccracken parts. Right, he's amazing.

Speaker 2: 11:11

I guess that's it for the synopsis. Yes, that was the not so brief synopsis. Not well, it was brief but, christ, very detailed, right? Well, let's uh steer through the movie a bit. All right, let's do this. Our story begins in 1969, where we meet a doting father and his son, roy munson, whose approach and release when it comes to bowling are sweeter than Yoo-Hoo.

Speaker 2: 11:26

I got to look what you did there, yeah, fast forward to 1979, a pivotal year for Roy, highlighted by his crowning victory at the Iowa State Bowling Championship. Under his father's guidance, roy embraces bowling not just as a sport but as a path to glory. However, his success catches the eye of the charismatic and cunning Ernie McCracken, who swiftly drags Roy into a world of shady deals and deceit. In a devastating turn of events, a hustling scheme orchestrated by Ernie goes awry, culminating in a brutal encounter that leaves Roy incapacitated by having his hand chopped off in a ball return. With his dreams and aspirations shattered, roy is forced into a life marked by drunkenness and despair, as a failed bowling supply salesman in Scranton, pennsylvania.

Speaker 1: 12:20

Close by. Should have tried to get a job at Dunder Mifflin, dunder Mifflin, right, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:24

You know, know, we were talking earlier about this. So I there's a, god damn it, there's a. There's a movie out there about, I'd tell you all this is a backstory. So there's a movie out there about this woman who cheats on her husband, richard gear, with some some hot looking dude, whatever, and I forget the actress's name. Since then I've absolutely hate, loathed and despised that woman and think she's a whore because she played that character In the movie. In that movie it's not Susan Sarandon, it's well anyway. Anyway, with Richard Gere, yeah, richard Gere.

Speaker 3: 12:55

Was it the one where the that little Spanish dude Correct Infidelity, I think, is the movie.

Speaker 2: 13:04

Is the movie? No, I don't think it's infidelity, is it? Is that it, whatever? So it's that one. I hate that goddamn woman. Now, since we're invoking the concept of scranton, pennsylvania, since it's in this movie and that's where roy munson lives, scranton, pennsylvania is also home to a television show we all know and love, called the office. On that show is michael scott, played by steve carell. Steve carell played the role of a real douchey boyfriend in this movie called one of my a movie. I just love the way way back. So because of that, I hated steve carell for the longest time, just because he played this douchebag role. Tell you all that of that. To get to Bill Murray you hate him. Now. I fucking hate Bill Murray. I can't stand him because he's just such an asshole in this movie.

Speaker 3: 13:51

He is amazing in this movie.

Speaker 2: 13:53

It sucks. I got to watch a lot of Ghostbusters or Groundhog Day to get my hate for Bill Murray out.

Speaker 1: 13:58

Yeah, he's a different type dude, but I like this in the beginning, like his dad's working at a service center and you'd think the kid's pitching or something, because his dad's like all right, come on, throw it in there.

Speaker 2: 14:09

He's like hey, dad, you want to play a game, Can we play a game? But here it's bowling.

Speaker 1: 14:15

So I wish more parents would do that. Think outside the box. It doesn't have to be baseball, football, basketball. There's other sports out there, there's other sports out there. Yeah, and, and. And I was like his dad was probably thinking ahead like, oh okay, that's your talent.

Speaker 3: 14:26

They do have college college bowling, Like they usually show the women's on like a ESPN two or like the Ojo or one of those ESPN channels. Yeah, but it's, I mean bowling's big.

Speaker 1: 14:39

Yeah, but think how many great at like, but maybe they're good at something else or would enjoy it more did you guys take bowling in high school?

Speaker 3: 14:45

yeah, remember that. Yeah, we used to go in the in the blue van absolutely so much fun like a phys ed for phys ed to the red crown bowl dude.

Speaker 2: 14:52

I love that because it was great. I was in school in class and I was smoking in class. It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1: 14:58

Yeah, that was great. It's cool.

Speaker 3: 14:59

We used to go over to yeah on uh sycamore street yes, red crown, it's not there, no more some sort of like bus or oh for real yeah, it's like a sad time, some sort of uh truck truck station munson service center could be so, and then flash forward to 79, the groupies that were there at the bowling.

Speaker 1: 15:16

You know what I mean oh yeah who knew, like, if you're like a great bowler, you'd have groupies like that.

Speaker 2: 15:21

You know, I'm reminded whenever the the olympics come around, so like, let's say, the winter olympics, which in my opinion is far outweighs the summer olympics. So the the winter olympics. There's a particular event in that curling. I love curling. Can't get enough of watching curling man. I could sit and watch that all goddamn day, but you never hear you never hear about that you never hear that about.

Speaker 2: 15:42

Or I'm sorry you never hear about that you never hear that about, or I'm sorry you never hear about that in your gym class or as an offering for this, that or the other. So be it that, be it. Some other obscure sport how do you find out about these? How do you become a champion in these sports that nobody hears, or at least not nobody, but very few people know about?

Speaker 3: 15:59

Well, I think in Canada, like I think curling's huge, I think they do go there.

Speaker 2: 16:06

And maybe I'm just a close-minded asshole American who only thinks that baseball and basketball and hockey and whatever is football, they're the only sports in the world.

Speaker 1: 16:14

I have a nephew that does fencing. That's kick-ass, you know what I mean. How many kids go out and do fencing?

Speaker 3: 16:18

That's actually my wife's father. He went to Penn State for fencing.

Speaker 2: 16:23

And that's not the trade of putting up a barrier between you and your neighbor's yard. You're talking about the sport with swords, yeah, fencing, yeah, it's like a cool outside-the-box type thing.

Speaker 1: 16:33

It's good for him doing something like that. You know what I mean. But yeah, I think we're close-minded sometimes as Americans. There's the three big sports, and that's it.

Speaker 3: 16:43

Well, no, I mean big sports, and that's it.

Speaker 1: 16:45

Golf's getting up there too.

Speaker 3: 16:46

You see these six, seven year old kids at training. I don't know if I can say his name, but there's a training place around here that has younger kids that go, and you see some kids there just six, seven, eight years old working on something. I was like what's he doing? He's like, oh, he's working on his backswing.

Speaker 2: 17:02

Serious as cancer. Are asian countries out there that will government sponsor kids like to spend their lives to come up being golfers, like and you see that, you, you see it now entering the pga and the lpga, like there are a number, a growing number of, of fantastic asian players or eastern asian players, and yeah, that's serious. That's serious it's government sponsored. Where tax dollars are going to look, man, don't work, don't go to school, don't worry about this, just play golf.

Speaker 1: 17:30

Learn how to play golf. Constantly Just reps, reps, reps.

Speaker 3: 17:33

Speaking of golf, this movie's about bowling.

Speaker 1: 17:36

It is. It is. I like that scene in the diner and we were talking up there about some of the dialogue and what got us there was what he put sugar in the guy's tank that's right, harrelson's uh tank and they ended up at a diner and there was some good dialogue there some great dialogue like yeah, can I have a tangerine tab?

Speaker 2: 17:54

jesus, that's awesome. You can still buy tab, by the way, that is still available at any any beer and soda warehouse really okay, go to the soda section.

Speaker 3: 18:02

Cool, you're not going to find it at your local grocer but you will find it at a beer and soda warehouse.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Really, yeah, go to the soda section. Cool, you're not going to find it at your local grocer, but you will find it at a beer and soda warehouse.

Speaker 3: 18:07

So who took over that name? So it has to be like tab by Coca-Cola or by Pepsi, or I'm pretty sure Coke bought that. Okay, cool.

Speaker 1: 18:13

I can still kind of taste tab Sure In an odd way, I don't know it's well.

Speaker 2: 18:26

It's not sugar and lichess, sacrilegious it is. Oh man, that was good honey before you. Could you wash that perfume off before you come back? God damn, that was good yeah this.

Speaker 3: 18:32

It was funny, though, to see how, like dave was saying these bowlers back then, like you said, those girls, like they had groupies and everything, like this guy mccracken, played by bill murray, thought he was so big that he he acted like he was like this huge, like pro athlete, where he just, like, says anything that's on his mind and it goes like in that world. Yeah, yeah it just, it just worked he was just doing whatever man.

Speaker 1: 18:52

He was like the man. But those girls there like in the set and they had to, uh, what song was that playing? Disco inferno, yes, when he's rolling in like played twice in this movie yeah, so that was a cool scene. The diner scene's cool with the dialogue and he yells at the girl, tells her to like cut back on the perfume.

Speaker 2: 19:06

Yep, and then uh, well, his uh, so yeah, so then he gets his hand so he's fighting with they, fight with the locals. The guy who's not a priest, yeah he's like you're no.

Speaker 3: 19:18

He said you're no dictionary salesman. He's like, yeah, I ain't no goddamn priest either.

Speaker 1: 19:21

Yeah I had my suspicions, but yeah well, especially he got, he goes.

Speaker 3: 19:25

I got a vice and it was his drinking that one lady came up and served the drink, yeah, and he smacked her on the ass. He's like I got two vices.

Speaker 2: 19:31

But that's not bad, it's not, that's not so bad.

Speaker 3: 19:34

No, oh man, good stuff, good stuff but yeah, this whole thing, uh, before we go to the next one, mccracken set him up like he. He was upset that he beat him. He knew there was a guy on the scene that was better than him or just as good, and uh poured the sugar in his tank, set him up for this left him hanging there yeah, and then and then took off and left him there.

Speaker 1: 19:53

So he's pretty naive. He goes what's the sugar for back there? Oh, it's for my morning coffee. He's a big like a two pound bag of domino sugar.

Speaker 2: 20:01

Yeah which I read into that and I think when any one of your or our mechanic friends, listeners to the show, will tell you it's not gonna, that's not gonna, fuck your engine up, oh for real, yeah, it's not. It's not gonna happen, it's gonna make its way through. What it'll do is it'll it'll certainly gum up sensors and tubes and pumps, but it's not gonna necessarily, you know, like make your engine shut off.

Speaker 3: 20:24

Well, that's what the other guy, I think, said the engine was blown.

Speaker 2: 20:27

Yeah, he said sugar man that is an old wives tale or a tale told by old wives.

Speaker 2: 20:34

All right, all right. While on a sales visit at a local bowling alley, roy meets Ishmael Borg, a diamond in the rough with a .270 bowling average hailing from a reclusive Amish community, roy, recognizing Ishmael's extraordinary bowling talent during an impromptu demonstration, sees a potential path back to glory through the naive young man. Despite initial reluctance, ishmael is persuaded by the dire need to save his family's farm from financial collapse. Their pact sets them on a new trajectory where Ishmael's purity and Roy's worldly cunning will find common ground amidst the lanes of professional bowling and hopes of winning a million dollar prize at a national tournament in Reno, nevada. One million, one million million dollars so a lot to unpack.

Speaker 1: 21:27

So far yeah, that uh lancaster bowl lancaster bowl located in scranton, pennsylvania.

Speaker 2: 21:33

Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 1: 21:33

didn't make sense to me yeah, I didn't get that either, because I thought, uh, initially I thought this movie took place in like lancaster county but because of the amish.

Speaker 2: 21:42

Yeah, I think somebody that too, but I think somebody got confused as well. They thought Amish, they thought Lancaster, and so they put that on the bowling alley. But again, they're in Scranton.

Speaker 3: 21:51

But I think the Amish people were played by actors. You might be right. I don't think they hired real Amish.

Speaker 2: 21:55

They weren't real and they didn't hire. Um, oh, it was huge. Like I think they love it in foreign countries. It's still like the fugitive, yes, yes, woody harrelson, or no that when I keep woody harrelson, harrison harrison ford.

Speaker 3: 22:13

That is so fun fact. That's one of my all-time favorites great movie. That's a good movie. Yeah, that also has the chick from a top gun in it, right?

Speaker 1: 22:17

kelly mcgillis.

Speaker 2: 22:17

Yeah no, jody foster right no, no, there's no chick in that except the fugitive, dead's dead-ass wife. But who cares about her?

Speaker 3: 22:27

No, kelly McGillis is the love interest. Maybe it's not.

Speaker 2: 22:30

I don't know. You are out of your goddamn mind.

Speaker 3: 22:33

I got to look at it. Maybe we'll have a write-in.

Speaker 1: 22:35

Yeah, a mailbag item. Yeah. So, what about the novelty machine there?

Speaker 2: 22:41

I got to tell you this movie. So the goodness about this movie is, I mean, not necessarily the simple story. It's a simple and good story. Reminds me a lot of Happy Gilmore, the tone of the movie like just simple slapstick comedy. But it's the one line is to get you, and I got to tell you.

Speaker 2: 23:03

Probably one of my favorite quotes in this is when Roy is at the bowling alley where he meets Ishmael and he says to the guy running the bowling alley you know, hey, man, what about? You know he's just a salesman. He's like what about a gross of fluorescent condoms for the novelty machine in the men's room? I mean, these are fun even when you're alone. Yeah right, he follows up with him and says look man, this is like the hula hoop of the 90s. People go nuts, people go nuts. That's right just to watch that on unfold. This is, this is a guy just trying to pawn anything he can to make some kind of commission. Yeah, what a job to say okay, to make some kind of money to pay his rent to that landlady. So their interaction. Oh my god, dude, that was so fucking gnarly.

Speaker 3: 23:40

Uh, her teeth were just so bad but the scene of him just constantly throwing up dude.

Speaker 2: 23:46

He had to have sex with his landlady to get a month's rent yeah, yeah, that was bad, that stage of robbery, then after that oh, that made me laugh.

Speaker 1: 23:53

Yeah, that was good but that also had me thinking about uh ishmael and the amish. Like I wonder how many like diamonds in a rough there are, like in other sports in the amish community, like there's the next tom brady I can tell you, man, their arms are like cannons.

Speaker 2: 24:06

Right, I've, man, I remember during the, the, the quarantine or whatever, during the COVID years basically the year of 2020, a buddy of mine was working on his backyard and he needed to get a lot of big timbers and he decided he wanted to do a black locust as the as the timber, and this is a very dense, very sustainable wood that'll last longer than the dirt itself. It's a long time lasting. This is the shit they make railroad ties out of. So he found this place up in. It's basically on the way to Penn State, like the no man's land on your way to Penn State, and while it's near the Harley dealerships, past Skeeters, past skeeters, so it's very near the harley dealership. So, on his on this, once we get there and we see this place, these guys have forearms like fucking popeye. I'm like their forearms were bigger than my thighs huge, huge, just tossing these timbers all over the place like they're throwing toothpicks that's what I.

Speaker 1: 25:04

They could play linebacker or something.

Speaker 2: 25:06

Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1: 25:07

Or arm wrestling.

Speaker 3: 25:08

I think they play just a lot of volleyball and like tetherball, if you ever drive by, yeah. They're always doing volleyball or tetherball on like Sundays no-transcript.

Speaker 1: 25:26

Is that like a bar food, 100% yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:29

They have those at, like every VFW still.

Speaker 1: 25:31

Yeah, is that a PA thing, or is that?

Speaker 3: 25:33

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 25:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:34

It might be a PA thing because you're hard pressed. I've never seen that in any other state but PA.

Speaker 1: 25:40

Yeah, pa, yeah, pickled eggs. I love them.

Speaker 2: 25:42

I've been to a lot of dingy bars in PA. I haven't necessarily been to as many dingy bars in other states but yeah, I don't think like the peanuts and stuff in the eggs, I think, since, like COVID, you don't want people like reaching their hands and grabbing stuff they used to.

Speaker 1: 25:57

They have that in those big bologna.

Speaker 2: 26:00

Oh, yeah, also in the brine.

Speaker 3: 26:05

Yeah, in the brine. Yeah, in the brown. For sure that's brine bologna. Yes, brine bologna, it's delicious. Oh we, um, I, I messed up. That movie was witness that we were thinking of not fugitives witness was the one that was filmed in lancaster and that was amish. That was amish, yes, and that was kelly mcgillis was in that.

Speaker 2: 26:17

Yes, can I get a witness, but that was a good movie to see the fugitive. Yes, all right. Not long into their road trip, roy learns that Ishmael's 270 bowling average was based on 15 frames instead of the typical 10.

Speaker 3: 26:33

Because of what they do, stuff twice as good or twice as much as regular people.

Speaker 2: 26:38

That's nothing some good, old-fashioned coaching and training can't fix. The duo's adventures take them into the bowling tournaments and the seedy underworld of hustling. One particular hustle introduces them to Stanley Osmanski, an amateur bowler with plenty of wealth, a violent temper and a two-lane bowling alley of his own in the basement of his mansion. They're also introduced to Stanley's's drop dead gorgeous girlfriend, claudia, who, fed up with stanley's violent ways, joins roy and ishmael on their pilgrimage to reno yeah, back to when uh roy goes to get ishmael.

Speaker 1: 27:16

You know to do all this. I was laughing. When he goes to the uh amish community dressed like amish and he goes top of the morning to you and then he goes like they're Irish or whatever, and then when the one scene and I still remember this from back then laughing he goes out and he's like milking the cows, and he comes in and he's like man, he's like I was working on that cow all morning. That's one tough cow. She was stubborn. She was stubborn.

Speaker 2: 27:50

He's got like cream all over his face and uh, they're like we don't have a cow. Oh see, I'm gonna go brush my teeth.

Speaker 3: 27:52

It was nasty I made me gag a little bit, but he had a whole bucket.

Speaker 1: 27:54

That was nasty. God damn big bull. But all that leads up to, like you said he they start on their uh, their journey, yeah, and end up at that guy's house. That's an insane house, that's big money.

Speaker 2: 28:01

That is an insane house, and how he gets there, how they get there, is great. When they're, they try to pull the same con maneuver with uh you know, pretending they're drunk, and then they're going to shark people at that at the bowling alley. But the guy behind the the counter at the bowling alley has clearly seen this and he's like look man, yeah, so you sell dictionaries or whatever and the guy's not even listening. Uh, oh, no, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 28:22

Um, we said you're drunk off ginger, ale that's it you're drunk off ginger, ale no, no, he was huffing glue in the parking lot, it's fantastic.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, that guy, the rich guy osminski, or whatever his name is. Did he remind you of like bill murray to me? Yes, there's something about him. I thought maybe they were related, but I looked up his name and they're not I think you reminded me of the lead singer of Bush.

Speaker 3: 28:42

I was like.

Speaker 1: 28:43

Is that Bush?

Speaker 2: 28:46

I can totally see that. Gavin. Rothsdale.

Speaker 1: 28:49

Yes, that's who I thought it was. I could see that too, for sure. Now you say that.

Speaker 2: 28:52

I can see the likeness to Bill Murray only because they both played douchebags in this role. Yeah, I can see that too In this movie.

Speaker 1: 28:58

But that was some house man, I mean. I know there's people that are rich like that do have bowling alleys in their basement. I've never been the one like that.

Speaker 3: 29:06

Didn't Richard Nixon put a bowling alley in the White House?

Speaker 2: 29:09

I don't know if it was Nixon I think it was actually long before Nixon or Ford One of them guys. Somebody had a bowling alley. It might have been Johnson Lyndon.

Speaker 3: 29:16

Lyndon Baines. Yeah, that'd be cool. Have a bowling alley in your house.

Speaker 1: 29:22

I think we did that at Kramer's one time with like beer bottles like staged them up, and it's entirely possible but I know I've never been to a house like that.

Speaker 2: 29:30

So I know I'd seen Claudia someplace as I'm watching this movie and, lo and behold, it was spies like us. She was in the shit. Yeah, she was the. She was basically the love and not the love interest. But he was, she was the one that Dan Aykroyd ended up, uh, doing the nasty with when they were out in the woods.

Speaker 1: 29:46

That was an 80 in the snow Shit. Yeah, because she was 31 in this 30 or 30. I looked up her age.

Speaker 3: 29:52

She did not look 30, 31. No Soul finger Spies like us yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:59

But that uh the the scene with the freezer or the beer she goes open up the fridge and the nipples and all that, but it didn't affect Ishmael.

Speaker 3: 30:09

But then Ishmael went to grab one for everybody and he had the hard nipples too, Right.

Speaker 2: 30:13

He said I feel so nipply. What's his name? Got a temper, dude Stanley.

Speaker 1: 30:18

Oh my God, slapping around, slapping around in the bag.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Time to go.

Speaker 3: 30:22

Beat man, that guy's real Well, that's what she said. She's like I could put up with a lot of things, but then she's had to get out of there.

Speaker 1: 30:28

That guy definitely had that 90s villain vibe. Yeah, just the way he dressed and everything else like that. That was a good pick for that character.

Speaker 2: 30:34

Reminded me of Bagulia. Oh yeah, from Wedding Singer, Wedding Singer. Yeah, Remind me of that Ghoulia, Glenn Ghoulia.

Speaker 1: 30:47

Glenn Ghoulia, not Ghoulia Ghoulia, that's right. He had the red Porsche he did. And, like I said, that house was amazing, that area was there. What Chicago Is that where they said they were at? I can't remember For this movie, no, no, in across the country.

Speaker 2: 31:01

Yeah might have been.

Speaker 1: 31:02

They were in Illinois. Okay yeah, Some big money out there.

Speaker 2: 31:05

Well, this duo has become a trio, but Roy maintains his skepticism relative to Claudia and what he fears may be ulterior motives for her joining them. At one point, while attempting to leave Claudia with Ishmael in tow, roy gets into a fistfight with her. A distraught Ishmael runs away during the fight, leaving Roy and Claudia to work out their problems. While searching for Ishmael and making their way to Reno, roy and Claudia happen upon Roy's hometown, which has since become seemingly abandoned. We also learn that shame and humiliation, as a failed bowler kept Roy from returning to his father's funeral, failed bowler kept Roy from returning to his father's funeral. Roy and Claudia eventually find Ishmael working as a cross-dressing stripper, and the three continue on to Reno.

Speaker 2: 31:56

So did anyone notice while they were driving through Roy's old town, while Roy and Claudia, you know, looking for Ishmael, as they're looking to left, on Roy's side, all the you know? You see certainly all the old service station, the old ice cream place, everything's all dilapidated and it looks like a nuclear bomb hit there. Everything's just dead in the desert. You're talking about the neighborhood behind him, yeah, but if you look on Claudia's side, it's a bustling neighborhood. There's grass.

Speaker 2: 32:20

Kids are coming home from school all kind of shit.

Speaker 3: 32:22

I thought the same thing yeah, it was pretty bad. I thought the same thing, yeah, it was pretty bad. Because, yeah, one side. And then I noticed it too, because I just watched I was watching pieces of it before I came over and, yeah, that was one of the things. I was like wait what?

Speaker 2: 32:33

Yeah, they did a bad a way, bad job of trying to make you believe that the town was a band.

Speaker 3: 32:38

Yeah, like Zab said, there was like a bus dropping kids off.

Speaker 1: 32:40

Dude, I know.

Speaker 2: 32:51

Cars all catch that nice houses.

Speaker 1: 32:52

It's on claudia's side when they when they show the camera looking at woody hair at roy, closer than claudia. If you look on the passenger side and you look past her, you'll see a, a big. You know, I must say, any scene she was in, I was probably watching her, that's fair just being honest. I mean, that's absolutely fair. She is like, she is beautiful that's.

Speaker 1: 33:01

That's the way it should be yeah, and for some reason in my mind, like I haven't seen, like I own this movie and I watched it many times, but for some reason I was thinking it was a different actress that portrayed her. I didn't even know this, vanessa angel she wasn't in much no, but in my mind I thought it was like I don't know, I don't even know who I thought it was, but it's not the girl that I envisioned. Yeah, but it's been a while. It's been probably 20 years since I watched it.

Speaker 3: 33:26

She's exotic.

Speaker 2: 33:28

She is exotic. There was a quote I had missed from the earlier scene in Scranton before Roy left and with Ishmael it's back at Roy's apartment. When Roy says to the one wino that's sitting out front, they just sit on lawn chairs.

Speaker 2: 33:44

He said the guy's name is Herbie. He says, hey, herbie, how's life? Uh, herbie responds taking forever, taking forever. Yeah, those guys there's a guy I know that actually used that. He uses that quite frequently when you hey how's it going or how's life going and whatever, how's things taking forever yeah, they definitely portray pennsylvania as like very, these towns is like depressing, sure, and like just kind of I think most, yeah, if you go through some like drive to the beach or something going through pa there, it's like really nothing out there well, not for nothing.

Speaker 2: 34:12

This movie picked two things. They they picked the ghetto of scranton and they picked amish country like, come on, man, how is that in any way, shape or form showcasing the greatness of pennsylvania?

Speaker 1: 34:23

absolutely. But I just laugh in these movies how they portray small town Pennsylvania. A lot of times it's like that just kind of run down.

Speaker 3: 34:31

I don't know what's going on. Farmers who are into sheep.

Speaker 1: 34:33

Yeah, there's some of that too.

Speaker 2: 34:34

For sure, speaking of which. So now we're in this segment, here there's a couple of good quotes. One was specifically in the diner when Claudia Roy and Ishmael are that it's basically their first meal together and she, you know, bust roy's balls for basically she knows that he doesn't have any money and all of this, that and the other thing. So there's a group of women at another table and they address ishmael and she says hey, you want to dance?

Speaker 2: 35:01

roy thinks he's talking to her yeah, so he's like he's like oh yeah, uh sure, well, maybe or whatever, and he's blowing it off for being nonchalant about it. And swiftly Claudia says to him uh no, she said oh, cause. The woman says oh hey, handsome, want to dance again. He's very nonchalant oh no, thanks babe, or whatever that was the Bird in Hand Tavern oh. I saw a sign back there, the Bird in Hand Tavern that is in Pennsylvania. That would have to be in.

Speaker 1: 35:29

Pennsylvania. I'm figuring that's an ode to the town down in Lancaster County. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2: 35:35

Did you and I drive by that when we were at, when we went to pick up the telly?

Speaker 1: 35:39

Yeah, that console TV. So Zap and I went down to pick up this RCA console TV that we're sitting looking at for the old, dirty basement. We went down to Lancaster and drove through bird in hand, so there's some weird names out there in Pennsylvania, absolutely Sure. That is a cool stretch though through Lancaster County of like little towns and villages and stuff. If you ever get a chance in your Lancaster, go to the. Um, it was a kitchen kettle village. It's like a little.

Speaker 3: 36:04

There's a a little I thought you said Kitchen Castle, that was by. Yeah, it's over in Middletown Overland Road.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Now Kitchen Castle or Kitchen Kettle Village. It's in Lancaster. Cool little thing to check out.

Speaker 3: 36:15

Or Dutch Wonderland. You can take the kids to Dutch Wonderland.

Speaker 1: 36:21

Yeah, so Dutch Wonderland is on Route 30, which is like the commercial. This would be on the Philadelphia Pike, I believe it's called, which is kind of like parallel. Zap and I were on that. That's the road we were on, for sure, and that's up above it. Yeah, so check that out.

Speaker 2: 36:31

Kitchen cattle.

Speaker 1: 36:32

Yeah, kitchen cattle.

Speaker 2: 36:34

So at this point these two have a fist fight and the battle royale in the parking lot is great. This is us.

Speaker 3: 36:40

So they whoop each other's ass.

Speaker 2: 36:42

Roy is trying to just ditch claudia and he's trying to take ishmael with him. So they, they make their way outside and there is yet, uh, they. They of course, get into these verbal altercations right before they're fighting, but the one line that just stuck with me so good, so much as wooden says to claudia, he's like look half the dresses you got. You need two hairdos to wear, yeah I love that that's fantastic. The salty in that is great.

Speaker 3: 37:06

It makes you think for a second like wait two, yeah, with two two oh, the lower hair yeah but I like, uh, right before they get in that fight, she kicks him in the nuts and he's like damn, he's like you got a wide foot.

Speaker 1: 37:19

That got them both yeah and he's punching her in the boob oh yeah, it's going back, yeah did anyone notice after?

Speaker 2: 37:26

Did anyone notice after the altercation? When they're standing there looking for Ishmael, she's actually adjusting her boobs back.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Yeah, she's fixing her boobs, oh really, yeah, I didn't notice that. Jesus dude, this is your favorite movie.

Speaker 2: 37:37

I know this is the good part.

Speaker 3: 37:41

She's playing with her own boobs. Angel, I just looked up something real quick. She wasn't, she was never really quick, she was a huge model. She was a big model before doing any type of acting or when she was like 17, 18, 19 in her early 20s. She was a very high paid model, you know what too?

Speaker 1: 37:57

I looked her up, googled vanessa angel, and it said that she died in a car accident. And I'm like. Then I saw another thing where no, she's like no, there's another actress named vanessa angel that's from like another country that did die in like a car accident, but not her not vanessa williams no, actual, her name's vanessa angel, but she's like from I forget what country it was.

Speaker 3: 38:19

But she's a big 57 years old today.

Speaker 1: 38:21

Yeah or not today, but in currently, yeah, but this other, vanessa angel, did die in car accident from. She was from like another country. Like I said, still alive though.

Speaker 2: 38:30

Still alive. Yeah, that's good Well, so much for them Internets.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Right Can't trust it.

Speaker 2: 38:36

Can't trust it. Upon their arrival at the Reno tournament, the trio is submerged in the vibrant chaos of competitive bowling. The tournament environment is intense and is made even more intense with the presence of Ernie McCracken, who's since become a bowling champion and who we find was a former love interest of Claudia's. The plot thickens as Ishmael sustains a critical injury while attempting to defend Roy's honor in a confrontation with McCracken. Sustains a critical injury while attempting to defend Roy's honor in a confrontation with McCracken abruptly pulling him from the competition. To make matters worse, claudia disappears along with all of their money, after Stanley as Mansky and his sidekick arrive.

Speaker 1: 39:21

Yeah, so he automatically thought she, but he, she was up something shady and she.

Speaker 2: 39:25

He the whole time had his reservations about her, like why is this beautiful, gorgeous, drop-dead gorgeous woman? Why is she hanging around with us two schmucks Right, an Amish man and a one-handed, burned-out bowler?

Speaker 3: 39:39

Then McCracken is like you got to stop slumming.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Yeah, yeah, ernie and her hooked up back in the day.

Speaker 2: 39:46

Yeah, you look, it's a. It's a small world when you got tits like that, but but Ernie, ernie that was a good line.

Speaker 1: 39:51

It was a good line.

Speaker 3: 39:52

McCracken had everybody.

Speaker 1: 39:53

Yeah, well, you know what it was? Chicago Cause he referenced that's them. Some girl was coming up for an autograph and he signed. He's like I'm in room 1103, by the way, and they handed it to him like real kind of nonchalant what about the paternity suit?

Speaker 2: 40:11

oh, no, fellas. No, I pulled out of that one real quick.

Speaker 3: 40:14

Yeah, he had some good lines, but what was the place that their big, uh, their main selling point was the potato bar?

Speaker 2: 40:20

correct the potato bar. There's more, man, I haven't. I bet you've thought about the next time you've seen me more than there is toppings on that potato bar. Oh god wait. Why don't we find places around here that have a massive just potato bar?

Speaker 1: 40:35

mashed potatoes.

Speaker 3: 40:36

That's a fun thing, man, that you know you can put so many different things on potatoes, sure, it's just a blank canvas do all sorts of shit.

Speaker 2: 40:45

Oh well, leave it to optimistic Ishmael to lift Roy's spirits as he convinces Roy that he must bowl with a rubber hand in Ishmael's place. Roy reluctantly enters the tournament and miraculously wins his first several rounds, ending up in the televised final match against McCracken With Ishmael as his strongest cheerleader inspiration. There's no way Roy can lose. That is until Ishmael's brother arrives and takes him back to Pennsylvania. Now alone Roy struggles in the final frames and McCracken wins the tournament by just one point.

Speaker 1: 41:25

Yeah, that brother went the whole way across the country with a horse and buggy.

Speaker 3: 41:29

Yeah, I thought about that he was at the turnpike yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:32

Paying the toll and stuff.

Speaker 2: 41:33

How I think about that when they were leaving. Again, I take this movie literally, as I'm listening to a comedy movie. The dialogue is obviously just zany. The guy says all right, I'm going to get Ishmael.

Speaker 1: 41:52

And he's in pennsylvania, he's make his way to rito and he has one horse in a buggy. I'm thinking fuck that poor horse, that's a long way. That's gotta hurt, man. Whenever you pull up google maps, you know it has, like the car shows the route. Yeah, walking if they have like a buggy it's uh, it's funny.

Speaker 3: 42:01

I was reading, and in this scene it's kind of like a fun fact, kind of not. But uh, they're saying woody harrelson could not bowl for shit, yeah, he needed like a stunt bowler because, yeah, he couldn't even.

Speaker 2: 42:11

They did a good job then with that trick photography, because it looked like like both him and, uh, bill murray it looked like they were just awesome bowlers. Yeah, well, they're saying bill.

Speaker 3: 42:20

bill murray actually did do his own bowling, which he was very good at, and at this scene, on the final scene that we're talking about here, with the bowling and everybody's going crazy, I guess the Farrelly brothers were like all right, they're like McCracken needs three strikes and everyone you've got to start cheering. We don't know how long it's going to take, so give your effort.

Speaker 3: 42:39

He actually threw a turkey. He threw three strikes in a row. So that whole scene was kind of just him, him, and that's why, like the, the intensity of the crowd and everything was so big, because he actually bowled a turkey.

Speaker 1: 42:48

he bowled three strikes in a row so if it would have took 30, it would have took 30, like you're saying.

Speaker 3: 42:53

He would just keep going, yeah just keep going, we'll do the first one. So he went and bowled the first one. Everybody's going nuts, like, yeah, he got a strike. And then the fairly brother, like you know, keep up the intensity, let's go, let's go. And then he bowled another. He got it like a second. So everybody was like going nuts, didn't know that yeah, he actually bowled a turkey bowled three in a row for that scene.

Speaker 2: 43:08

Did you know? Mathematically that's incorrect.

Speaker 3: 43:11

What's that?

Speaker 2: 43:12

So, mathematically, in that final round, when you're bowling, when you get the 10th frame, you got the three things to throw. So essentially, if you throw a strike one, then strike two, that last one isn't. It isn't going to be. If you get three strikes, it's, I think, 10 more. I think that last one is basically like worth 20.

Speaker 3: 43:33

Yeah, cause it wouldn't be like 30 or something, isn't it so?

Speaker 2: 43:35

if you, if you're thinking in your head, is it? 60 points then for a Turkey, I think. If you're. If you're. If one considers the idea that a strike is worth 10, a strike is worth 10, right, but it becomes far more than that when somehow mathematically Consecutive strikes in a row. Yeah, these things start building up, and that 10th frame is you get three bowls instead of two, you get three throws, so that 10th frame alone is going to be worth a hell of a lot more than 30.

Speaker 3: 44:01

Oh, I got you Because of compounds, sure, but that yeah, whatever he needed a turkey to win they said he needs three strikes.

Speaker 1: 44:06

And he nailed it, and he nails it.

Speaker 3: 44:07

Yeah, and it happened three strikes in a row. Pretty impressive. They said, he could bowl.

Speaker 2: 44:12

There's a particular quote in this Again, each this movie. The draw to this movie and I'm sure we'll say it a few more times, at least the big draw for me to this movie was the quotes. For sure, a particular quote in this segment that I really fancied was when Roy's being interviewed by the ESPN announcer and you know he's like so what have you been up to the last X number of years?

Speaker 2: 44:35

And you know Roy, you know stumbles and thinks and he's like well, his answer is drinking. And so the ESPN announcer says oh so are you still drinking, roy's like? No, no, no, I don't. That's behind me now. Wait, why Are you buying?

Speaker 3: 44:47

Are you buying? The guy's just looking like a.

Speaker 2: 44:50

Priceless, priceless, great, great, great comedy in this.

Speaker 1: 44:53

So there was a couple of scenes that happened too that I enjoyed in the midst of all this. So there was the indecent proposal scene with Chris Elliott where it was like a fantasy scene and Chris Elliott comes up to him and, uh, ishmael and munson is like how about one night with your friend for a million dollars? And then obviously it was like a fantasy or a dream.

Speaker 3: 45:11

it didn't really happen I think it was a fantasy, more of like. I think he was just like drunk and how he could make money easy way to get out of it.

Speaker 2: 45:17

You didn't get the money.

Speaker 1: 45:18

Roy was absolutely in a drunken stupor looking at the bottom of his glass having this waking dream right and then we see the commercial that we all love. I know, matt, and I always talk about it. Now you got to see it. I think I sent you guys the link like a while ago. Yeah, the United fund. Yeah, and Bill Murray is with, like, these single mothers with the, with the, and they're all hot, they're all milfs. They are absolutely All of them are milfs and it's just a great commercial, it's just the way the commercial is done.

Speaker 3: 45:45

It's something that you would think like joking around with your friends, but they actually did the commercial. That was great. And then he goes. He's playing football with the one kid and he this. The mom, the MILF mom's, wearing like a leather skirt.

Speaker 1: 45:56

He snaps it up. He lifts it up and just has his way with her, but but he's back there, right, like calling a play for about 35, 40 seconds and the one little kid goes yeah, Mr McCracken's even at my house sometimes when I wake up, Like he's there so early in the morning.

Speaker 3: 46:10

He's like that's right, Billy, because I'm dedicated, or something like that it was a great commercial.

Speaker 1: 46:15

If you go on YouTube and look up Ernie McCracken United Fund or whatever, you'll see it.

Speaker 2: 46:18

It's like a minute long. Yeah, ernie McCr, the bowling montage. I know, matt, you love montages. This was a montage for sure. This was like watching karate kid. This was like watching daniel son make his way through the the ranks.

Speaker 3: 46:32

Who sings that song? Showdown, because that's a great song gonna be a showdown. Was it in the movie? Yes, at the, the bowling, the bowling montage.

Speaker 2: 46:41

Was that by uh fog?

Speaker 3: 46:42

hat. It's raining all over this world. Is that Foghat? I don't know. It's a great song. Showdown.

Speaker 2: 46:51

Yeah, they're looking for a showdown. Take it easy. No, that's Slow Ride. Oh, Slow Ride.

Speaker 1: 46:55

Shit shit. Two cameos we have in here, though, is Urge Overkill.

Speaker 2: 46:59

God damn it, Dave. That was one of my favorite fun facts.

Speaker 1: 47:01

Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 47:02

So, indeed, who who played the national anthem at the beginning of the bowling tournament? The national bowling tournament was in fact urge overkill. Right, I will be happy to alert all listeners that it was in fact Matt who, back in the nineties, was the one to introduce me to urge overkill with their classic sister Havana. Was that me? That was all you. I wouldn't have known shit about fuck, about urge over overkill, until Pulp Fiction came out. Yeah, I was going to ask you.

Speaker 1: 47:29

That was before Pulp Fiction that was Girl.

Speaker 3: 47:31

There'll Be a Woman Soon.

Speaker 1: 47:32

That was a good track.

Speaker 3: 47:33

No, actually. Yeah, there was like Zap and I had like this playlist, Shit yeah, Before school. Hell yeah, yeah, three or four or five songs, that were we would just rewind the shit out of him, and then we'd stop, have one or two cigarettes and then make our way to class.

Speaker 1: 47:50

How about the other cameo? Do you know the other one?

Speaker 3: 47:52

That was the Blues Traveler.

Speaker 1: 47:53

Yes, Ah yes, john Popper, he was the announcer.

Speaker 2: 47:55

He was the announcer. Yeah, Did anyone notice that he's actually reciting lyrics of the one song? So what's the song? But Anyway, oh the song, but anyway he is, as the announcer, just speaking the lyrics to that song.

Speaker 1: 48:09

But anyway, they play that at the end. Yeah, the.

Speaker 3: 48:12

Amish? They're not Amish, though.

Speaker 2: 48:14

Not Amish, they just play them on TV, right?

Speaker 1: 48:17

Yes, oh, how about the one other thing, the girl with the big cans that runs out and Munson is trying to hug him and he pushes her away?

Speaker 3: 48:25

Because it was like his fight. Yeah, he's trying to hug him and he pushes her away. Because it was like his final. Yeah, he had, like he was trying to bowl.

Speaker 2: 48:28

So there's a fun fact about that and I want to save that for the end, because that's a long fun fact.

Speaker 1: 48:33

Okay, good.

Speaker 2: 48:33

But yeah, that blonde chick that runs out. When he pushes her away or he says like goodbye, he actually slaps her tit. Big Earn does, yeah. As it turns out, claudia stole all the money Roy had made by betting on McCracken to win, and phone records from the room show that Claudia had called McCracken 14 times over the course of three days. It doesn't take long for Roy to convince Stanley that McCracken is the one to blame and the three part ways. Days later we find Roy back in Scranton as he receives a visit from the elusive claudia. She explains to roy that she disappeared with stanley and reno to keep him from hurting roy and ishmael and later hoped to throw stanley off of her trail by leading him to believe she'd run away with mccracken. All the while, claudia had actually fallen for Roy. After offering Roy half of the winnings she'd stolen from Stanley's, we learned that Roy has since earned $500,000 in an endorsement deal from Trojan Condoms thanks to his rubber hand.

Speaker 1: 49:49

Yeah, what a good tie-in.

Speaker 2: 49:50

Great tie-in, the novelty, the condoms in the beginning Condoms in the beginning, condoms at the end.

Speaker 3: 49:58

Did you guys at the end of the Big McCracken, woody Harrelson, when they were bowling. He goes to shake his hand and says whoa, whoa whoa, he throws it up in the audience. The guy has just no Insult to injury man.

Speaker 2: 50:09

At the end the guy's sweeping the floor after everybody gives it back to him. Yeah, munson, there was a I don't know if you call it a continuity or if you call it a goof, but there was a scene where I could actually see woody harrelson's hand holding the hook oh, really, like the long sleeve that's supposed to cover the mess up or whatever yeah, his hand was an extra, like four and a half.

Speaker 3: 50:29

They didn't work hard on that?

Speaker 1: 50:30

yeah, I think it might have been during the flossing scene so I didn't watch my actual dvd copy, I watched it on like pluto or something I too watched in pluto.

Speaker 2: 50:39

That was a terrible experience commercials and stuff.

Speaker 3: 50:42

But youtube tv had it. Oh, did they?

Speaker 1: 50:44

yes, but commercials still commercials killed, but at least it was in 4k. I'm not paying 399 or high definition, so I was able to probably can catch that on the. On that, yeah, high def versus this dvd copy, for sure you know. But uh, yeah, that the hair in the end that's a great part of that and his, his bowling ball with the rose in it. Uh, his, this whole, his whole get up and everything it's just this flower that's encased in a perfect sphere of urethane it is.

Speaker 2: 51:12

It's the most glorious ball like I've ever seen. Oh and of course, dude, please don't tell me I'm alone that after watching this movie well, maybe I am, because it was my first time, dude I'm on the internet immediately searching for novelty bowling balls. Oh, for real. I looked up an eyeball bowling ball. I looked up a planet Earth bowling ball. I looked up the moon bowling ball.

Speaker 1: 51:33

Yeah, bowling is good man, I enjoy it. We should start bowling.

Speaker 3: 51:36

Dude, we need to get a team. Old, dirty Basement needs a bowling team. It'll be like every Thursday night at like 7 or something.

Speaker 2: 51:43

I would be all in on that. Man, I love bowling. I say to my wife I'm telling you every few months hey, man, let's go bowling. What do you think? Let's go bowling arm out. It's gonna hurt my shoulder right or injuries. I don't want to go hang out at a bowling alley or whatever. I love bowling alleys.

Speaker 3: 51:59

But, um, a fun fact I don't know if you guys are gonna get into it, but I'll just say it now about the rose bowling ball. It's when they were visiting these different bowling alleys and stuff all throughout. You know the areas that in pittsburgh or whatever yeah, they actually saw that bowling ball they were like perfect yes, and they were like this this is a McCracken bowling ball and that's how they got it.

Speaker 2: 52:17

I had no idea.

Speaker 3: 52:18

That's a great fun fact. That is a great fun fact. Yeah, see.

Speaker 1: 52:21

You know, the thing I love about bowling alleys, too, is they don't it's like stuck in a time capsule. It is, it is you go? In. You felt in 1990 when I went, or 1980. Remember you had to do math.

Speaker 3: 52:41

Yeah, remember, there used to be those things you had to write down with that marker type thing.

Speaker 2: 52:45

Remember that when you were younger, you had to keep score.

Speaker 3: 52:48

Yes, you had to keep score and it's shown it onto the screen.

Speaker 2: 52:53

There was a little thing up there from the table. Yeah, it's how Napoleon got busted for fixing his scores in bill and ted's excellent adventure. Was it an overhead projector?

Speaker 3: 52:58

yeah, it was like a projector, and then you would write scores like a one of those markers. But it wasn't a marker, it was like the, the chinese marker type thing that you would peel, peel the thing, yeah, and you would keep score with that which reminds me of the same over the head projector type thing that uh mccracken did to.

Speaker 2: 53:13

To get in the head of roy during their tournament he wrote the oh I miss you, I'm sorry You're forward.

Speaker 1: 53:18

I'll be back, claudia. They're all over there laughing, pointing at him.

Speaker 3: 53:22

He's so great McCracken's great yeah, dick, that's amazing, he's a jerk.

Speaker 1: 53:26

He's just funny, man, he is funny.

Speaker 2: 53:30

It was definitely a very funny role, and tell me if I'm certainly. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Does Bill Murray get to be somewhat kind of like attitude-y or like holier than not, holier than thou, but I'm better than you type mentality when he's doing movies Like almost I don't want to say almost like a Chevy Chase type thing, but maybe a little bit.

Speaker 3: 53:49

They said he's hard to work with I know him and Chevy Chase hated each other.

Speaker 1: 54:02

He's got a really big fucking ego, like a really big ego.

Speaker 2: 54:03

Yeah, I wonder about that. I'm I'm not sure, but I I loved him in this, like I know he's a dick in it, but like he just like.

Speaker 1: 54:05

It's just so comical to me he did a great job at being a dick. He definitely did one other line I laughed at too, when they first walk into the bowling alley in reno and ishmael goes look at all these great athletes and it's like dudes drinking huge guts, yeah, and it's like huge beer bellies that is bowling. I mean, it's the one sport that you can be, not I shouldn't say one sport. There's other sports like that, sure, like um or golf no, golf them guys are jack I was like john daly I was

Speaker 2: 54:29

thinking but he's like 92 years old, curling oh, currently you could be fat and shitty for curling. All you gotta do is throw a stone. Yeah, you're right Now, granted, that stone is like 15 pound or however much it is, 50 pounds, however much it is.

Speaker 3: 54:40

But bowling now, like if you ever watch it on TV, I'll like catch it every now and again. They got this dude with like this big, like white Afro dude Is he good yeah?

Speaker 2: 54:57

And they got like they're just holding it on their side and spinning it. Yeah, and they just spin it. A buddy of mine is an amateur bowler. It's what he does for fun. If we record a podcast or whatever, if we sit around a fire drinking, his fun is going bowling and he's actually quite good. He's in the 200s Damn yeah, dude. Look, if I meet somebody like him who has his own ball and his own shoes, that tells me that guy's into bowling. Yeah, he's quite good, but he doesn't use his fingers either. He just holds the ball on the side.

Speaker 1: 55:24

Cups it like a brace on his hand.

Speaker 3: 55:26

I want a bowling bag. I want my own shoes. We need to join a league, dude I'm we can get in the league and it's not expensive, it's not cheap.

Speaker 2: 55:35

You can get a kick your ass bowling ball for like $150. And that's a lot. You could probably get away with $100, $120. And look, black Friday is right around the corner. Look for the sales. Get yourself a bag, get yourself some shoes. We can do this, man.

Speaker 3: 55:50

Shit, dave. Last time we went, I think you can still buy pitchers at bowling alleys. You can get pitchers of beer for $5.

Speaker 2: 55:55

Dave, what you're saying, though, earlier, really, really does resonate to the extent that bowling has not changed. There's no change in bowling, there's nothing. It's the same as it was when we were kids in the eighties. As the same, it is now Same food same, uh, the whole experience. Dude. The only thing that changed is that they removed smoking in most of the bowling alleys. God, some communist, I think for my birthday this year.

Speaker 3: 56:21

I think we're going to go bowling.

Speaker 2: 56:22

Yeah, I'm going to have a bowling party. We're bowling in February. Everybody Like Chuck E Cheese you know, yes.

Speaker 1: 56:27

Chuck E Cheese. Back to. One thing we forgot to bring up was when Roy's talking to Ishmael on the Amish farm about, like you know, a round thing with three holes, and he goes leave Rebecca out of this.

Speaker 2: 56:39

Miss Rebecca, miss Rebecca.

Speaker 1: 56:42

I thought I wrote that down.

Speaker 2: 56:43

She was kind of hot, though I think Mr he was yeah Again with with the nature of this movie, I was waiting for this. I was waiting to see like her go topless or something happened Right. Or something happened Right. Something sexually happened to the Amish Miss Rebecca.

Speaker 3: 56:56

It didn't happen. You guys remember like Broad Street Market or you go to like the markets and they have like the Mennonite, the Amish, the working area yeah. Some of those girls are pretty cute, pretty cute. Yeah, older, amish ladies Like whoever it was Some of the ladies.

Speaker 1: 57:19

I'm betting that either Claudia or Miss Rebecca were pretty good at hockey?

Speaker 2: 57:21

oh, yeah, because they, they. I bet they shower with 10 men a night. 10 men a night, yeah, oh, top shelf, top shelf, top shelf, all right, oh, matt, your favorite part in the movies, denomois, ishmael returns with his brother to his family's farm. Instead of receiving a scolding and shunning from his family, ishmael is welcomed home and finds his family, along with Roy and Claudia, waiting for him. Ishmael may have given in to the temptations of a forbidden bowling career, but he displayed decency and moral fiber while on his journey. He's also given the credit for setting roy's and claudia's lives on the straight and narrow. As a token of thanks, roy pays off the borg family's debts with his endorsement money from trojan condoms and drives away with claudia as the film ends nice guy to do that yeah, yeah, he gives claudia a big smoochie.

Speaker 1: 58:12

Yeah, at the end there yeah, yeah, I, uh, I definitely like that at the end. Uh, I knew for a fact. I was like I know zap's gonna love this one line that the dad, ishmael's dad, has about claudia.

Speaker 2: 58:24

It's like, uh, he even got claudia to stop being a whore or something, something along those lines you even helped claudia to stop being a whore comma, the whore that she is. And at the end one of the kids says you know, goodbye, brother roy goodbye, whore.

Speaker 1: 58:42

Goodbye, that's right. Yeah, there was a lot of that in this movie, but um, she was that.

Speaker 3: 58:46

I mean, that was her. Her role was pretty much.

Speaker 1: 58:48

Yeah, I mean she admitted it. Yeah, she's like, yeah, whatever top shelf man top shelf.

Speaker 2: 58:54

Loved it, loved it, loved it. Top shelf man. Top shelf. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Fun facts oh, we've hit that. That, that point. Who wants to start off? Well, I left this one cliff hanging earlier. So we had spoken earlier about the uh, the blonde, uh middle-aged woman that came up and, you know, kissed the kraken and then he, when he pushed her away, he grabbed her side boob and pushed her away, pushed her away. So that is actually a homage. That woman's actual name is Morgana the Kissing Bandit.

Speaker 1: 59:28

And she does that for real, yeah, she did that for real.

Speaker 2: 59:31

So a couple of fun facts on Morgana the Kissing Bandit. She was born in 1947. She grew up in an extremely poor family, so poor her mother disowned her as a baby, basically like, look, I can't afford this kid, I don't want to be legally responsible to have to pay for this kid coming up. So that actually led to her grandmother, virginia, taking care of Morgana for six years Now, that's for six years. After that she was sent to Mount Mercy Catholic boarding school just outside of Louisville. Now, initially, just like you know, we grew up. We grew up Catholic. I'm sure that at some point in our lives and our very, you know, formidable years we'd said man, when I grew up, I want to be a priest. She grew up and at one point had wanted to be a nun, but she ran away from that school at the age of 13. 13. Wow.

Speaker 2: 1:00:19

She hitchhiked with a friend to Baltimore where she begged shop owners for a job, while living on the street and eating out of garbage cans. After about a month in Baltimore she came across an ad in the window of the Flamingo Club. They were looking for a cigarette girl. You must be 18 years old. So she even at 13,. She lied to the owner. She says yeah, she told him she was 18. But the owner actually thought she'd be better at being an erotic dancer.

Speaker 1: 1:00:45

At 13?.

Speaker 2: 1:00:47

So he says to her well, you could be a cigarette girl, that's fine, but you know why don't you be an erotic dancer? When she heard erotic dancer again, again, at the age of 13, she thought it had something to do with like riding camels and wearing veils, like erotic like. To her that was. She was 13, like something out in the desert, like lawrence of arabia type shit, like she thought arabic or something.

Speaker 2: 1:01:09

Correct, correct erotic, that's right. I. Instead of erotic, she thought arabic. So her first stage appearance bombed, absolutely bombed, she was, she could walk in high heels and uh, when she was dancing just a little top heavy though.

Speaker 3: 1:01:22

Well, so when?

Speaker 2: 1:01:23

she was dancing, all the guys were saying take it off, take it off. She actually thought that they were saying take her off, like they were telling people behind the stage to you know, get her off the stage, pull the cane out, right. So after that show she ended up. This was her first show. She had never seen, seen a strip show before, so she stuck around watch the other people what they the other erotic dancers, what they were doing. She took to it like a fish to water. Uh, she learned quickly and she became popular and successful by the time she was 17 years old. Now, by the time she's 17, uh, her act actually combined a little bit of comedy and she was wearing 10 gallon cowboy hats on her boobs wow yeah, that's talent, that's amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:02:04

That's 10 gallons. So notable, notable victims of this kissing bandit include. Now this is, this is a chick in I don't want to say in flagrante delecto. This is a chick that at sporting events, televised events, I've seen her.

Speaker 1: 1:02:18

Now you say that yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:02:20

She was the back in the 80s. She was big, she wanted to get that attention, that attention grabber. Like you see it now, sporadically People will run onto the field and streak her and they'll get tackled by security and shit.

Speaker 1: 1:02:38

Her stick was running out and kissing famous athletes, who include her first one, pete rose. Oh god rest his soul.

Speaker 2: 1:02:41

Charlie hustle I would have bet it wasn't him. Nolan ryan, johnny bench, george brett, whom she kissed twice, steve garvey, len barker, cal ripken jr.

Speaker 3: 1:02:48

And kareem abdul-jabbar she was like a. She was like a baseball hussy, that was her baseball was her, her biggest one.

Speaker 1: 1:02:54

Yeah, when you said that and I was thinking about it, I do remember, remember her now that you say that that's a fun short story yeah, it is that was like yeah, that was good, you got one matt.

Speaker 3: 1:03:07

Uh, I guess I have. Uh, when peter fairly moved to la, his roommate was actually woody harrelson oh okay, so that's how they kind of hooked up yeah, when, and they got to know each other and I guess fairly was like you know, I got other stuff to do, this and that and what he's like. Hey, I got this role on this show called cheers.

Speaker 1: 1:03:24

And he got him into that.

Speaker 3: 1:03:25

Well, no, he didn't yeah Like but he said yeah, they got his first role on Cheers as Woody, I think.

Speaker 2: 1:03:35

Yeah, the bartender, yeah, he was real young, in that that was his first role. Yes, I wonder if he told Mr Fairley that his father was a convicted murderer.

Speaker 1: 1:03:43

Oh yeah, oh yeah, remember.

Speaker 2: 1:03:44

And for those who haven't listened, the Old Dirty Basement did a podcast on Woody Harrelson's dad.

Speaker 1: 1:03:49

Yeah, was it Charles Harrelson? Sure, how did we not even?

Speaker 3: 1:03:53

know, harry Harrelson, we did that one. It was fantastic. We have no idea where it was it was like a while ago, Dude.

Speaker 2: 1:03:57

I was just asking my wife the other day if we did one on Ted Bundy.

Speaker 1: 1:04:00

We had, he had a two-parter, three-parter. Did we Correct? Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:04:09

Actually somebody said that to me at work today. They're like oh I I swear we did the Hollywood shootout.

Speaker 1: 1:04:15

So back to what I was talking about in the very beginning. Fun fact on the box office on it, yeah. So Peter Farrelly described the film's poor box office performance as the greatest disappointment in the Farrelly brothers' career, blaming its release during the 1996 Olympics.

Speaker 4: 1:04:30

So he blamed the Olympics that people weren't going out to the movies.

Speaker 1: 1:04:33

So maybe it would have did better. Despite the initial blow to their ego, the movie found success on home video six to eight months later. Wait a second.

Speaker 2: 1:04:41

He's saying that because people were so busy watching the Olympics they didn't go out to see his movie.

Speaker 1: 1:04:46

That's the excuse.

Speaker 2: 1:04:47

Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Speaker 3: 1:04:49

This is one of those movies that's not a big theater movie, though. No, we we've done so many movies now you can tell by watching them again that this wasn't the target audience. Would have been kind of weird for this. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:05:00

I caught it on rental for sure. I was living in an apartment with my roommate, matt, the other Matt yes and I remember we watched it and we were just laughing so hard at it like this was after. This was after Dumb and Dumber, which is the other movie that they have done before this. That was their first movie, I guess, dumb and Dumber. But, yeah, so it did well. Then it went on to do well with the rental and had a cult following.

Speaker 3: 1:05:28

It is. It's not a movie that I don't know. It's strange. It's a good movie.

Speaker 2: 1:05:34

The roles that Woody Harrelson play and um bill murray play are great yeah yeah, for sure I have a few coulda, woulda, shouldas yeah, let's do it uh, ernie mccracken, as played by bill murray, could have been the first choice, for that was jim carrey yeah, I heard that one and the uh. Before it was bill murray, the next choice was actually charles rocket don't know who that is charles rocket.

Speaker 2: 1:05:57

You might know him, might at best, if you've ever seen basically like extreme early 80s I think it's like 1980 and 1981 episodes of saturday night live. I've seen him but I know he was in a couple of movies. But fun fact about charles rocket uh, he, uh slid his own throat and died. Yeah, he, in 2005, dude slid his own throat and died. Yeah, in 2005, dude slid his own throat. They found him in a field on his property in Connecticut.

Speaker 1: 1:06:23

Are they sure it wasn't foul play?

Speaker 2: 1:06:25

Who's to say? I think so. Who's to say?

Speaker 1: 1:06:28

That'll be a true crime.

Speaker 2: 1:06:29

Could be.

Speaker 1: 1:06:30

Matt, what you got.

Speaker 3: 1:06:32

I don't know. I think we're talking. I don't know if I talked about this with you guys upstairs.

Speaker 1: 1:06:35

We did. Yeah, okay, I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 3: 1:06:38

Bill Murray improvised pretty much this. Every line that he had in here was just Bill Murray.

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 1:06:44

Yeah, they had. They had stuff that you know they wanted him to say.

Speaker 2: 1:06:47

Bill Murray looked at it and was like yeah, I mean, you can't just be some Tom Dick and Harry walk in there. So Bill Murray's approach to that was simply I see what you're trying to convey, I see what you're trying to do here, I got this. I will put this into my language. So you can't be some no name who gives a shit about who you are on your first role actor going in doing that and saying, hey, man, I got it, fuck you.

Speaker 3: 1:07:18

And your writers. I'm just gonna ad lib. This director would cut you off, but I think I think bill murray is such a like I don't know how like the dude's a dick in real life I think.

Speaker 2: 1:07:28

I think he really is yeah, like he's really cool like I'm pretty sure he's a dick in real life yes, but I think that's just what he does.

Speaker 3: 1:07:34

He's like okay, I got this. Like no, we want you to do. He's like no, no, I, I got it, I'll do mine.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

Yeah, just go ahead and film, and he can. For the same reason, a dog licks his balls. Because he can, he can yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:45

So during a meeting with michael richards about a role they didn't say which role a disagreement led to richard's climbing out of the office bathroom window I heard about I, I did I'm.

Speaker 2: 1:07:54

I didn't hear about it. I read about that.

Speaker 1: 1:07:56

I read about that too, and the brothers initially didn't take the Lynn Shay that was the landlady, yeah, mistaking her for a homeless person. But they were so impressed with her audition, uh, they didn't consider anyone else.

Speaker 2: 1:08:06

And then she went on to appear in in in other films of theirs her filmography she's done a shit ton of b movies she's actually a pretty older woman, like if you look at a picture of her, her shots. Yeah, dozens of dozens of movies that are less like I'm saying like on a imdb rating or a rotten tomato rating, like anything less than five stars or four stars, like they're shit movies, but she's done, I mean even through recently.

Speaker 2: 1:08:35

Dozens and dozens of them, yeah she definitely looks she's working for sure mean even through recently, dozens and dozens of them. Yeah, she definitely looks, she's working for sure, absolutely. And other could have, would have, should have. Roy Munson could have been played by Michael Keaton.

Speaker 1: 1:08:47

Oh, how about that?

Speaker 2: 1:08:47

Michael Keaton, pittsburgh area.

Speaker 1: 1:08:49

Yeah, that would have worked out. How about this one? Will Ferrell provided several uncredited background shout outs, so it was when the uh in the reno bowling scenes.

Speaker 2: 1:08:58

I guess he was back there like shouting and doing stuff like that I can believe that just from his uh his role in uh old school alone I can absolutely believe that.

Speaker 3: 1:09:07

You just hear this random voice in the back just shouting things out uh, I have that the uh fairly brothers were having trouble finding for big earn. They didn't really, couldn't really, they didn't know who they really wanted. So I guess Randy Quaid was the one that said I got a friend, you know Bill Murray, and they're like, yeah, what about any? He's the one that called him and said they get him in there. Hey, I want you to do this, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 1:09:27

Yeah, okay, he was great. As that part, I think, is that the you said jim carrey, it could have been jim carrey or charles rocket or charles.

Speaker 3: 1:09:36

I could have seen jim carrey for sure well, it's funny, the fairly brothers also said that when randy quaid said that they kind of knew bill murray and they were like they was. They weren't sure if he would actually show up when they wanted to come in for a read. But he did, and then then the rest is history that's so funny, michael richards.

Speaker 2: 1:09:50

They're working with him on a role in this movie that who knows what the hell it is, or what it could have been. But the dude was so worried about or not wanting to do the part he said, oh, excuse me, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. And he just ran away just got out of there just ran through a window or jumped through a window. Damn oh uh.

Speaker 2: 1:10:08

Ishmael borg yeah could have, would have, should have, could have been played by or was suggested to be played by, chris farley. Yeah, I saw that one here.

Speaker 1: 1:10:14

Yeah, he was suggested to be played by Chris Farley. Yeah, I saw that one here.

Speaker 3: 1:10:16

Yeah, he was supposed to be. They wanted Chris Farley, I think, uh, uh contractual obligation for black sheep.

Speaker 2: 1:10:23

Same thing for Jim Carrey. He was locked into doing something.

Speaker 3: 1:10:27

A real quick a showdown. The song that I was telling you guys about. It's never real quick, it's an ELO song. It it is never real quick.

Speaker 1: 1:10:33

It's ELL Electric Light Orchestra. That's a good one. Nicolas Cage turned down the role of Roy Munson. Did you have that one Really?

Speaker 2: 1:10:40

Yeah, I did not have Nick Cage in this?

Speaker 1: 1:10:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:42

Huh, I think he would have been great, he could have done it yeah. Munson yeah, I don't know, I'm jaded. I love Raising Arizona. Times gone in 60 seconds. Good movie too.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

I cannot get enough of that movie how about leaving angelina jolie, leaving las vegas?

Speaker 3: 1:11:00

oh no, leaving las vegas was. Uh.

Speaker 2: 1:11:01

I like that movie now that was with, uh, james conn, correct?

Speaker 3: 1:11:04

no, that's honeymoon in vegas I'm sorry, no, even las vegas, that was nicholas cage and um, oh, my girl uh sarah jessica parker.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

No thatmoon in.

Speaker 3: 1:11:15

Vegas. Yeah, that was a different one Leaving Las Vegas. Elizabeth Shue and Nicolas Cage. Yeah, shallow our announcer.

Speaker 1: 1:11:22

That's one of his favorite movies. He loves it.

Speaker 3: 1:11:25

He says I've never seen it. Did you ever see that? I never saw it, did you?

Speaker 1: 1:11:27

see it, dave, I did. It's been a long time.

Speaker 3: 1:11:37

There's a guy that goes he's going to drink himself to death and then he gets a hooker who was elizabeth shu and she kind of like, sees this guy, she's like shit.

Speaker 2: 1:11:41

This guy's worse off than me and they form a bond. Okay, it's love. I got one more. Coulda woulda shoulda go for it. Stanley osmansky. Yes, the, the rich guy could have been played by george clooney. Yep, so I could. I saw that at first. It's what? That doesn't make sense, but it hit me immediately I mean not immediately, within seconds his role, george Clooney's role in that, what is it? Dawn of the Dead, what is that? Oh, dust Till Dawn, that is.

Speaker 3: 1:12:07

Dust Till.

Speaker 2: 1:12:07

Dawn. That was just such an evil role and it was it just brought out such, I don't know, such a vile side of george clooney. Yeah, I think he could have excelled as mansky.

Speaker 3: 1:12:19

Clooney was good in that, though, wasn't he correct yeah, he would be, good, no, but I mean, he was like a good guy. He wasn't like he was a fucking bank robber.

Speaker 2: 1:12:26

He was a yeah, but they were like yeah, but they trejo to trick.

Speaker 3: 1:12:31

Yeah, they were in that I guess he was, but yeah, but they turned like to like trying to get rid of like vampires right away.

Speaker 2: 1:12:35

That's correct. They all form bonds, so for sure he that guy, good guy, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3: 1:12:40

He put aside his selfishness and went for the common goal for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:12:43

So Roy's car in this was a 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible Yep. So I thought that was interesting. We had cameos like we talked about Blues, traveler, traveler, urge, overkill and one of my favorite espn probably my favorite all-time espn uh personality is chris berman yeah, and he was in that um, and then also chris lankle and uh oh, the dude from the red sox was in it also.

Speaker 3: 1:13:07

Um, oh, he played skid mark, skid mark, that's right, uh shit. Um, oh, I was uh the pitcher.

Speaker 1: 1:13:10

Yeah, roger clements, I was gonna say cal ripken, but obviously not, it's roger clements. Yep, yeah, also in here, and I didn't. I don't know if I caught this in the pitcher. Yeah, roger Clemens, roger.

Speaker 2: 1:13:15

Clemens. I was going to say Cal Ripken, but obviously not, it's Roger Clemens. Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:13:18

Yeah, also in here, and I don't know if I caught this in a movie, but Harrelson did a show called True Detective 2014. It was a great. I watched that.

Speaker 3: 1:13:27

Matthew McConaughey, yeah him. And.

Speaker 1: 1:13:28

McConaughey were in it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:37

So they said he echoes his movie line don't mow another guy's lawn. Oh, that's another one I got. Yeah, was that in this movie? Yeah, so they're in that diner, in that diner scene where I had mentioned earlier, where the the one strange, not strange a random woman had asked ishmael, uh, if he wanted to dance, and roy thinks that she's talking to him. And that's the part where what's her name? What's her name? Says no, no, she asked for handsome, not handless. So that woman with whom, uh, ishmael ended up dancing or learning how to dance, that was skid marks, girlfriend.

Speaker 2: 1:14:05

So skid mark comes in and that's when Roy gets into this. I'm sorry when, when, what's? Ishmael almost gets into this fight and Roy punches him with his rubber hand and he says you know you don't mow another guy's lawn.

Speaker 1: 1:14:18

Oh, okay, see I? Yeah, I didn't even catch that. I mean I'd have to go back and watch.

Speaker 3: 1:14:21

Yeah, they were driving away. He's like you know I did it because you know they would have kicked his ass. It was just me. He's like well, you don't have beers with them? Yeah right.

Speaker 2: 1:14:38

And then he just took it another to another extreme. There's a a zap fun fact and this is my last fun fact. So, speaking of that, I'm glad you brought that up, dave, that you don't mow another guy's lawn. I take absolute, articulate care of my lawn, right, and I mean it looks like a, it looks like a baseball field. It's beautiful, the lines are awesome, everything's gorgeous.

Speaker 1: 1:14:54

Do you bring in a third party, like a true green or I?

Speaker 2: 1:14:57

do I have granulon Granulon? Okay, do the treatment, but I do all the cutting edge trim mow blow all that good stuff. So I recently got new neighbors, a few months ago, whom I still have yet to actually officially meet. Right. They're cutting over my line, the sons of bitches.

Speaker 4: 1:15:15

Oh, they don't know. They're cutting over my line. The sons of bitches.

Speaker 2: 1:15:16

They're cutting like at least one mower length over on my yard and I get so fucking pissed. Yeah, they're cutting into your shit. Well, they're cutting with a push mower and I use a commercial 48-inch deck skag.

Speaker 1: 1:15:26

It's a different type cut.

Speaker 2: 1:15:27

It's absolutely a different type cut and they're balding my shit.

Speaker 3: 1:15:34

Yeah, I mean that's pretty much all I have for the fun facts. Matt, you got anything else we missed?

Speaker 2: 1:15:38

No, I'm good. Yeah, I'm all months in doubt. We didn't even.

Speaker 1: 1:15:39

we just ended quite quickly and we didn't even reference that. That's the big tagline. And this is like when you months in like you're, you're a loser, you like you know what I mean. You, you failed in life. I guess it's about that time where we late fee return or burn. And since it's my movie, I'll lead it off and, uh, I'm late fee in this. This is one of my all time favorites as far as comedies go. It's up there. It might be I don't know if it's my favorite, but it might be. It's definitely up there. I would late fee it back then. I probably did would I?

Speaker 3: 1:16:17

would they feed this because I love it. So that's all for me. Who wants to go next? Matt, what do you got? Oh, I'd, uh, I'd watch it a few times just for, like zap was saying, the one-liners in this were incredible. Uh, the mccracken like I. That would be a great halloween outfit.

Speaker 4: 1:16:27

Speaking of like halloween coming up like I think, dressing like it's mccracken movie.

Speaker 3: 1:16:32

Yeah, just like it. Like the, the bald head thing in the back with like hair. Yeah, and his one-liners his attitude in this movie were just great. Woody Harrelson was cool in it and watched it a bunch of times and then bring it back yeah, so I don't get a late fee on it.

Speaker 2: 1:16:46

So no late fee, you would return.

Speaker 3: 1:16:48

Yeah, return it, but after plenty of watching.

Speaker 2: 1:16:51

I would return it after maybe two watches, Two or three, Two or three, Cause again I would. The man Bill Murray really threw me off in this, Like it really changed my opinion on that guy. But you can't get around the one liners and the dialogue in this movie, Like it's really well written. It's. It's really well delivered. The, the, the, the tenor and tempo of their exchanges are just great.

Speaker 2: 1:17:20

It's despite are just great it's uh, despite it having come out after it, reminiscent for me of uh happy gilmore like this is to me instead of golf it's bowling and I'd love to see jefferson's on ice.

Speaker 1: 1:17:25

I don't know about you guys I forgot all about that.

Speaker 2: 1:17:27

Yeah, I forgot all about that sherman helmsley's a great uh the. So yeah, I'd watch it two maybe, if I'm lucky, but probably closer to two times and I would return it, but nonetheless a good movie.

Speaker 1: 1:17:40

Yeah, I just love this movie and I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

Speaker 2: 1:17:43

I'm glad.

Speaker 1: 1:17:43

Well, Matt, I know you saw it before, zav. I'm glad you didn't say this sucks, right.

Speaker 2: 1:17:48

I was hoping not, but yeah, thank you for bringing this into my life.

Speaker 1: 1:17:52

No, I'm glad we got to review it and definitely enjoyed it once again. So I guess that's it. You guys Got anything else that we didn't get to.

Speaker 2: 1:17:59

I got nothing Good.

Speaker 1: 1:18:01

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Speaker 2: 1:18:14

On the flip side, if we don't see you sooner, we'll see you later.

Speaker 3: 1:18:18

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Speaker 1: 1:18:41

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