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The Dating Game Killer: Rodney Alcala
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What if the charm of a game show contestant masked the sinister soul of a serial killer? Join us in the Ol' Dirty Basement as we unravel the chilling tale of Rodney Alcala, the "Dating Game Killer," who once graced the stage of a popular TV show while hiding his heinous crimes.
As we dissect Alcala's life, you’ll discover how his high intellect and tumultuous upbringing paved the way for a life of manipulation and murder. From his academic adventures to his dark journey across the United States, we examine how Alcala navigated the legal system's loopholes and evaded justice for years. His chilling pattern of luring victims with photography offers and the procedural errors that allowed him to repeatedly slip through the cracks of the justice system paint a harrowing picture of evil hiding in plain sight.
Our discussion also touches on Alcala's sinister use of photography as a lure, revealing a disturbing commonality among serial killers who keep trophies of their victims. We reflect on the broader implications of his case, discussing how DNA evidence finally unveiled his crimes and considering the unsettling trend of attributing unsolved cases to notorious figures like him. From playful banter to poignant insights, this episode promises an eerie and thought-provoking journey into the dark world of true crime.
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Speaker 4:Hey, this is Dave, matt and Zap, and welcome to the old, dirty basement. Where every week we cover a true crime murder or compelling story, so sit back relax and comprehend hello, hello, hello and welcome to a late fall installment of the old dirty basement. I am matt with me always is dave and zap what's up good morning what's up?
Speaker 3:how's it?
Speaker 4:going good morning, good evening, good afternoon and good night. Yes, um, what's up? Uh anybody uh the netflix, uh the uh paul tyson fight. Anybody watch that? I did, I did all right yeah, I'm pretty sure we all did. After the 300 million people that were trying to watch, did you guys have any problem with the streaming?
Speaker 2:or anything like that, very pixelatedated. Yeah, for sure, I mean the fight was the women that fought.
Speaker 4:That was amazing. That was amazing.
Speaker 3:The chick that got her eye blown the fuck out. Yeah, that was pretty bad.
Speaker 4:She had a vagina on the top of her eye. The thing was no, honestly, like. I've never seen a cut like that. It's pretty beat up, se like that. It's pretty beat up sexy. But I think those women like um, I don't think they were, they were strong enough to like knock each other out, but they were in such good shape and like fighting style that they just beat the shit out of each other.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. It would have just kept going on and on I guess, yeah, speaking of netflix, I guess that's where you found this one today. Huh, yeah, I did the idea for it. Yeah, the idea for it.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, it was a great movie. Watched it and I was like, oh, this is I. I didn't know anything about this guy actually out of like all the killers that we looked at or did or before in life and who is that?
Speaker 2:ronnie alcala. So, zap, did you know about this guy?
Speaker 3:nope, never heard of him I'm still curious as to whether matt does. I do not he was.
Speaker 4:He was on a movie and he was, he was, he was a handsome fella he was a handsome man yeah, the dating game killer.
Speaker 2:I was aware of this story. I had heard a podcast on this a long time ago, so I was aware of his crimes and stuff, but I didn't know there was a movie out about it. I did watch the movie. It's not really exactly like the timeline here and the crimes and stuff. They changed some stuff but it was still decent.
Speaker 4:It's fake news yeah, no, there's no more fake news that's true there's a new man in office.
Speaker 3:Fake news is gone woke is broke and there's no more fake news. Yeah, pretty much on this.
Speaker 4:We can say whatever the hell we want. Now on this podcast right at all and if you have any problems, like we'll be with adjudicated, there'll be nothing. That's right, yeah right.
Speaker 3:Fun fact in case you didn't know our lord and savior, savior Ronald Reagan, was the first actually to incorporate the Make America Great Again campaign slogan in his 1980 campaign. Fun fact part two I have a Ronald Reagan 1980 Make America Great Again campaign t-shirt.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at that.
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Speaker 4:That's probably worth like 40, 50 bucks right now. It mightshirt. Oh, look at that, there you go, that's probably worth like 40, 50 bucks right now.
Speaker 3:No, I'm sorry To be clear, it is a very, very recent creation. Oh, okay. Or I should say, recreation of what had been created, you know, 44 years ago.
Speaker 4:You know what I kind of dug is like during this, which is it was nice to see they're digging them out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I like that. Oh, so wait, we were talking about Rodney Alcala.
Speaker 4:Yeah, dating game, dating game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, I find I'm sure we'll get to it, but I find that a bit of a misnomer.
Speaker 4:Well yeah, and event yes, an event In a series of other events that, but I think it was like the thing that made him most popular.
Speaker 2:It's unique, it is for sure. I mean, it's not often you didn't see Dahmer on Wheel of Fortune or anything that would have been great, though.
Speaker 3:But it's like so, all right, how about this? It's like so if I'm a serial killer and I do all this shit, but diner eating I don't know over easy eggs to the over easy killer, yeah, so now I'm the over easy egg killer, or I'm eating a bowl of count chocula. Now you're the count chocula killer yeah well, no man, that has nothing to do with any.
Speaker 2:It was a one-time event it's just something I guess makes it interesting I like that, though count chocula.
Speaker 4:Or like franken, franken, what was it?
Speaker 2:frankenberry, frankenberry, killer yeah, you wonder how many, though that there? Isn't there some kind of stat that in your lifetime you'll pass so many serial killers?
Speaker 4:Three to five or something like that. At least one you might be. Yeah, you for sure might be One of us is here at one time.
Speaker 2:We're still getting away with it, that's why we have the true crime. I've heard a stat, but isn't that the one you say 80% of stats are made up on, or?
Speaker 4:something like 79.9 of stats are made up on the spot. That's what it was because people have no idea what the stats truly are at 50 of the time, they're right. 100 of the time, that's right exactly that's right 50 of all podcasts end up in divorce wait what?
Speaker 2:yes, so, matt, you're actually going to lead us through this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to try I don't know I like, I'm going to try my best. This way you guys can jump, jump in. Zap's always the one that does all the research, all the printing stuff out. Actually, you printed these out for us the actual research?
Speaker 3:Yes, I do the actual research.
Speaker 4:I'd like to thank ChatGPT for their amazingness and me for my time and effort.
Speaker 3:Matt, I want to thank you for owning that Seriously. I want to thank you for owning that Seriously.
Speaker 4:I want to thank you for owning that. No, I ain't telling no lie.
Speaker 3:Come on, bro, no more lies, no more phone lies.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I'm going to try to take us through this and you guys yeah, you guys do your shit. If you want to jump in whenever, yeah let's do it.
Speaker 4:Take a nap. If you want to jump in whenever, yeah, let's do it. Take a nap, yeah, take a nap, chillax, all right. Yeah, I guess we'll venture down this path of Ronnie Alcala. Ronnie Alcala, also known as the Dating Game Killer, was an American serial killer who became infamous for his charm and charisma. His chilling story includes a twisted combination of calculated cruelty and a veneer of normalcy that allowed him to evade capture for years that was a great synopsis thank you, that was a wonderful synopsis.
Speaker 4:I just came with that straight from my head.
Speaker 3:That was like two seconds let your fingers do the walking bro early life and background check that out.
Speaker 4:Born on august 23rd 1943 in san antonio, texas, ronnie alcala moved to los angeles with his family during his childhood. Despite his early promise, he had an iq reportedly above 160. That means he was like smart and stuff. Alcala's life would take a dark turn in the early 1960s. He attended ucla and later enrolled in new york university's film school under the pseudonym John Berger.
Speaker 3:Yeah there's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, go ahead, let's unpack, let's go through this.
Speaker 3:So he that IQ John. That's actually his claim. So there's no test out there. It's not like he took that to prison with him and said no man, I got this IQ paper. Here it is. Here's the results of my test.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think they said it was probably somewhere between 130 and 170 is what they thought, but it's so high, though I mean, he's not dumb.
Speaker 3:yeah, no, he's for damn sure not dumb. Fun fact did you know that his dad, uh, abandoned the family? So his dad, raul, alcala Raul, he ran away from the family. He's like I don't want nothing to do with this. He actually had a couple of sisters.
Speaker 2:And he went and started a whole other family? Probably no, he did, raul, yeah, why would he so? He left when Rodney was like 10 or 11. Went off, never saw him again. When Rodney later in life got a call that his dad passed away, they went to the funeral and found out he went on to start a whole new family, new kids, because could you imagine that, like if you you know your dad left your family and just went and started a whole other family this one I'm starting over but I don't think that was.
Speaker 4:That wasn't like very strange in like the 50s and 60s there was like a lot of a lot of like guys that work like still jobs.
Speaker 2:So you're basically resetting, I guess.
Speaker 4:I think a lot of women were. Just as long as you provide for my family, I'm cool with whatever other family you provide for, yeah.
Speaker 3:So Rodney and his sisters were actually raised by his mother, matt, as you had said, in suburban Los Angeles. He went on to join the United States Army in 1960. He served as a clerk there. He was there almost four years almost four years but then he had basically a nervous breakdown. So dishonorable discharge. Or Actually so he was-. Honorable. He was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder by a military psychiatrist and he was discharged on medical grounds, so not necessarily dishonorably.
Speaker 2:He was basically a sociopath. Yeah, what do they call it? A?
Speaker 3:section. Section eight Is it section eight? I mean, I know that that's broke ass. Pennsylvania housing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they. They said he hitched like like 2,500 miles across the country kind of up on his mother's doorstep. She's like what are you doing here? And he was basically like oh yeah, I'm done, I just left and basically hitchhiked.
Speaker 4:I think you have to be smart to do something like that, to hitchhike that far. Like we said he was definitely smart.
Speaker 2:There's people that say that he was the smartest serial killer to ever be captured. For sure, because there's ones probably out there that haven't been captured, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, matt, you'd mentioned that, for sure. He went on to the ucla school of fine arts with that alleged high iq of his uh after even myu like I think that's hard to get into so, after some stuff that I'm sure you will get to, he fled the east coast, or he fled to the east coast and he enrolled in the nyu film school. That's where he used the alias john burger with an e with an e not like a hamburger, like burger, yeah so I guess this is where his criminal activity begins, is it?
Speaker 4:yes, okay, alcala's criminal career began in 1968, when he was arrested for a brutal kidnapping and assault of an eight-year-old girl in los angeles. He fled the state before police could apprehend him, eventually landing in New York. Over the next several years, he would crisscross the country, committing heinous acts of violence, often targeting young women and girls. Despite being convicted of multiple violent crimes, alcala managed to avoid lengthy prison sentences due to legal technicalities, inadequate evidence and procedural errors.
Speaker 3:He was repeatedly released, only to re-offend there is so much to unpack with what just went down there, so much.
Speaker 2:That 8-year-old girl? Do you know the whole story?
Speaker 3:with that. This is so fucked up, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was insane. The guy was driving down the street, basically you want to come, like take some pictures or something along those lines, and she was like I don't talk to strangers, she's like. He's like no, like your parents, I know your parents. They told me it's cool, this and that, but there was actually a guy that was like this doesn't look right some dude just rolling in his car and he sees some dude trying to trying to lure this girl into an apartment with no license plate with correct.
Speaker 4:That was the dude's shtick, though he was like I'm like a. I like to take pictures, I'm a film. A photographer, yeah a photographer, you're trying to make it here in this like big city, just like an eight-year-old, yeah, but I'm saying, like you, come to anybody with that, you know. You're like, hey, this is who I am.
Speaker 2:We're going to take some pictures. Yeah, that's what he would do, like a lot of these girls the older, like the ones that were like late teens, for sure. He would use that as, like you know, a pickup line, I guess.
Speaker 3:So this eight year old girl were you going to no? Go ahead I was going to say so this poor eight-old girl, Shapiro Tali Shapiro, into his apartment, into Alcala's apartment. So dude calls the police, Police arrive. Alcala had actually escaped by the time the police arrived, but they found this girl, this Tali Shapiro, in the apartment, raped and having been beaten with a steel bar, laying in a pool of her own blood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was disturbing.
Speaker 3:She was in a coma for 32 days, bro, 32 days Eight-year-old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when that guy got there he trailed the car and they got to Akala's apartment. He parked and went to a pay phone and called the police and luckily one of the officers that got on the line sent somebody to go check it out. And when they got there the officer went to the door and knocked. They said a cow came to the door and cracked it with one of those chains and was like, can I help you? And he's like, yeah, we heard about you and a little girl something going on. He's like oh no, I just got out of the shower. Can you give me like 10 seconds? I just need to get dressed, cleaned up.
Speaker 2:And the cop said he's like. I knew right away something was up. But I said give him the benefit of the doubt, give him 10 seconds. He counted down, didn't happen, so he kicked the door in and that's when he found all that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he was already gone.
Speaker 3:Yeah too, or know who yeah Jumping out? Windows man Could have been Wile E Coyote.
Speaker 2:She could have been.
Speaker 4:In a shocking twist, rodney Alcala appeared as a contestant on the popular TV show the Dating Game in September of 1978. At the height of the killing spree, alcala, charming and confident, won the game, beating the other two bachelors. However, after the show, the bachelorette, cheryl Bradshaw, reportedly felt uncomfortable with him and ultimately declined to go on the date. Her instincts may have saved her life, as alcala was already an active serial killer at the time that's true, that was a big part of that movie, but um she found him to be creepy yeah, she.
Speaker 4:Well, they said like another guy like on the show said something to her at the time like watch out for this guy. So I don't't know if that was like true or that was like something they made up for the movie.
Speaker 2:Although the guy did say that he he knew he was in real life he did have a feeling backstage because the line they use in the movie was I always get the girl, and that's what he told the other two contestants backstage.
Speaker 4:And they were like the way he said.
Speaker 2:It was just he knew his pimp, grain, his pimp game was strong, right, yeah, but a lot of the other stuff was embellished or made up just for the movie. A couple things didn't really matter. But he was bachelor number one, not number three in the in in the movie they made, which why would?
Speaker 4:they change that?
Speaker 2:I don't know and then I think, obviously the I think we talked about before the getting on air but the um, the guy that was the host, they changed his name, I think, and I don't know if it's because the way they portrayed him in the movie um, the host of the dating game they wouldn't be like like a jerk, like a misogynist.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they just made him kind of like jerky and stuff.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if they changed the name so that I mean they did definitely change some stuff for the movie, and maybe they do that just uh, I don't know if you're gonna make a movie about like real life people, though I don't know why you would change some stuff and I don't know it's better for tv, I guess maybe, but uh, yeah, that a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 2:But she did not go on a date with him afterwards, and that was true in the show um, or in the show in the movie. She, uh, she didn't go on a date cause she got creeped out.
Speaker 4:They did go on a date, I'm sorry, they said they went to like a like a restaurant or something like right walking distance from the uh studio.
Speaker 2:So if you want to call that a date, I guess they did that, but in real life they did none of that.
Speaker 4:She never saw him after that lot of that stuff like when they're like, you know, like the dating game, how many people like actually hook up?
Speaker 2:I don't know that. You know they're the fun fact you're saying like stay together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like how many people going?
Speaker 2:on like going on an actual date, yeah, yeah uh, fun fact on, that sally field was actually on. They referenced that in the movie and she really was on the dating game as a contestant as a bachelorette yeah, and, and uh also I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the dating game. Is the chick always the one, or is it? I'm sorry, is it always three dudes, or is it sometimes three chicks?
Speaker 2:I think you can go the other way too. Yeah, but she was the bachelorette and the three contestants of the three. Two of them she had already dated before, but she ended up picking the guy she didn't. She never had met before. Yeah man, she wants that strange. No, but she didn't know. As she was interviewing the guys who were doing the game, she didn't know that she knew him. It's just by chance she had picked the guy that she didn't know.
Speaker 3:Well, no, like Abraham knew Sarah.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:So murders and modus operandi, that's Latin and that means I don't know, ask Matt.
Speaker 3:He wrote this up.
Speaker 2:What is it?
Speaker 4:What it's like, your mode of.
Speaker 2:Method of operation?
Speaker 4:Yes, of operation Modus operandi. So Alcala's known victims spanned the late 1960s to the early 1980s, though investigators believe there could be many more. His modus operandi involved luring young women by an offering to take their photographs. He would then assault, strangle and sometimes mutilate his victims. Known for a sadistic tendencies, he would often toy with his victims, strangling them until they lost consciousness and then reviving them repeatedly before killing them.
Speaker 3:That's that's yeah, it's a messed up stuff. That's like you're going to die, but like hold on, let me bring you back.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's, that's screwed up. Yeah, it's a messed up. Stop, that's like you're gonna die, but like hold on, let me bring you back yeah, I remember you talking about that and you were telling me yeah I watched this movie and this and I'm like what, what the?
Speaker 2:and then, when I looked it up, I'm like, oh shit, that guy. I didn't realize he, I didn't realize he did that like I remember listening a long time ago a podcast about it, but I didn't know that he would kill them and bring them back to life, that's on a whole nother level. It's messed up.
Speaker 4:Alcala was arrested in 1980 and convicted of several murders. However, due to legal appeals, he went through multiple trials. It wasn't until 2010 that he was convicted of the murders for five women in California, including a 12-year-old girl.
Speaker 3:So I mean, this is a big deal. He was arrested in 80 and convicted of a bunch of murders, but you know, appeals over and over. He went through multiple trials. It took him 30 years later to be, you know, convicted. Yeah, those appeals were crazy, like I remember. Um, now, granted, this guy isn't running around fucking town, he's in jail.
Speaker 2:But the one was like crazy that the the appeal was because it was something to do with like the jury and and like being let on and like it was like little nuances of things, like why would that even affect? Like this guy is obviously guilty and he would just find every little loophole he could to like extend. I mean, obviously the guy wants to stay alive.
Speaker 4:He had decent lawyers too. He must have.
Speaker 2:He must have. He must have great lawyers.
Speaker 3:So there's a misspeaking here there's. So he was arrested and he was put in jail. Like the dude stayed there. These appeals back and forth have everything to do with the death penalty. Yeah, he's just trying to avoid it. He is trying to avoid the death penalty. The dude was in jail this whole time. Oh, absolutely yeah, all of these appeals and all these mistrials have everything to do with avoidance of the death penalty. Just want to make that absolutely clear. It's not like this guy got out at 80.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he wasn't running around and was dicking around for 30 years and then finally got captured again. Not even close.
Speaker 2:No, but fun fact too, on the lead detective on that. I forgot to bring that up back when you were talking about the one in 68, I think it was the young girl Talia. The lead detective on that homicide detective was Steve Hodel. Do you remember him?
Speaker 3:Is that the guy that'll leave the light on for you at Motel 6? I know you're going to bring that up.
Speaker 2:No, that was Steve Hodel from the Black Dahlia. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Steve Hodel's dad, George Hodel, was.
Speaker 3:That was the guy that left the light on for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one it could have been, but George Hodel was the that was the detective on the black Dahlia. His son was a detective with the LAPD through the sixties, all the way through, I think, the nineties, but, um, he was a lead detective on this. Now he's a guy that came out later and wrote a book about how his dad was the Black Dahlia. Oh okay, the Black Dahlia murderer, I should say, but anyway.
Speaker 3:No cops were looking for that murder.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:Fatburger.
Speaker 4:That's right Conviction and legacy. You like how I did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4:I love how the computer did that and the computer helped me. Ronnie Alcala was sentenced to death for his crimes, but due to the lengthy appeals process in California, he remained on death row for over a decade. He was eventually extradited to New York where he was convicted of additional murders. Alcala was suspected of many other killings, both in the United States and internationally See the internationally. I didn't get Like, were they saying, like he traveled a lot, or I don't know, I didn't get too into that.
Speaker 3:I think, because the fact that this guy could go back and the guy went back and forth between New York and LA Maybe, just maybe he might be I don't know down in Mexico.
Speaker 2:He might be up in Canada. Yeah, they lived. He had family in Mexico.
Speaker 3:That's correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the grandmother early on I remember she got ill uh early on.
Speaker 3:I remember she got ill.
Speaker 4:They moved back 90s, yeah, so maybe he was down there at one point and some murders and stuff that's what I get like like sometimes, like, yeah, this guy was a little bit crazy, so we'll blame these 20 murders that we haven't figured out a murderer for. We can throw them on on his direction. Well, dna will get them now, you know well, yeah, but like he might have not had, like there might have not been any dna on that you.
Speaker 2:Maybe I know one that they got him on with the DNA. Okay, we'll get to that. There's a bunch.
Speaker 4:In July 2021, rodney Alcala died of natural causes at the age of 77, while still on death row at Corcoran. Is that what it is?
Speaker 2:Corcoran State Prison in California, yeah, sounds good, all right, corcoran, corcoran, corcoran corcoran, so kind of like.
Speaker 4:It's like johnny corcoran johnny corcoran, it's like correct yeah, cock ring cock ring yes, state president california it's a tough one yeah so anything on that guys?
Speaker 3:I mean no, I mean he's dead. Sounds like that's the end no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4:We have.
Speaker 2:We have a legacy to go on oh it's chilling actually you're gonna try to connect the dots.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, here we go we're gonna go back in time like, uh yeah. The story of ronnie alcala is a haunting example of how seemingly charismatic individual could mask his malevolent tendencies. The case also served as a wake-up call about the flaws in the criminal justice system, where repeated legal oversights allowed alcala to evade justice for so long. Investigators have continued to review the photographs found in Alcala's possession, hoping to identify additional victims. His case remains one of the most disturbing in America's criminal history, a stark reminder that evil can sometimes wear a charming smile. This guy was, like you know, smooth.
Speaker 2:Well, they kept saying he's good looking.
Speaker 4:He was a good looking guy, but I mean he had to be to be on the dating game.
Speaker 2:Well, no, he was a decent looking guy, but I don't know. I mean they like I didn't think he was, like they kept saying how handsome he was. Oh, he's so handsome. I mean he was an okay looking dude he's no ted bundy no, ted bundy's like one of the better looking. You know where you could look at that guy and go. Oh yeah, no wonder they were like.
Speaker 4:Who was the guy with the messed up teeth?
Speaker 2:that got busted for his sneakers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, ramirez, they said he was good looking too, like he got a lot of like ladies would love him.
Speaker 2:He was that bad when he was up for trial.
Speaker 4:The bad boy, look he had a unique look yeah, kind of like it was like, uh, like a spanish-american type.
Speaker 2:Look, I guess yeah I mean, he was, like I said, not bad looking, but I want, I want to look at him and like oh, he's like so handsome. You know, like they were kind of portraying him the guy in the show. In the movie they made him even more dumpier looking yeah like dumpy, yeah, I like my oatmeal lumpy.
Speaker 4:Rodney alcala was a notorious serial killer whose crime spanned over a decade, primarily targeting young women and girls. His confirmed victims number in single digits, but authorities suspect to may have been responsible for dozens more.
Speaker 2:Like 130,.
Speaker 4:they said yeah, but that's. That's all. Like alleged stuff, though, yeah, here's a summary of his known and suspected crimes. So what did you say? Like you said 120.
Speaker 2:I heard 130. What was it? Five confirmed, but who knows?
Speaker 3:they're just throwing the fucking kitchen sink at this point they can't figure it out. So it's like, oh, he must have done it, he must have done it.
Speaker 4:Case closed move on but isn't that, like most of the crimes we do remember, like there's like four that they can legitimately or five that they can like put to this person? And then the rest is like there's 20 unsolved, so we're just going to throw them over his way too yeah that way it gives like their like investigating crew, like less work, right. So these are his confirmed murders. Cornella crilly, 1971, new york city 23 huh yeah, she was.
Speaker 4:Uh yeah, a flight attendant was found raped and strangled with a nylon stocking in her apartment. This crime remained unsolved for nearly 40 years until DNA evidence finally linked Kala to her murder. So wow, that was DNA. There you go, man.
Speaker 2:Is that the one in the movie that they showed?
Speaker 4:Yeah, shooting pictures, then back into her apartment.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4:Ellen Jane Hover, hover, hoover, hover, 1-0. Ellen Jane, and shooting pictures, then back into her apartment. Okay, yeah, ellen jane hover, hover, hoover, hoover 10 ellen jane hover, 23 1977, new york city. Hover, the daughter of a prominent hollywood nightclub owner, disappeared after scheduling a photography session with alcala using his alias john burger with an e. Her remains were found in the woods of a Rockefeller estate at Westchester County, new York, nearly a year later.
Speaker 2:Fun fact her, I think it was her.
Speaker 4:Not so fun, not so fun?
Speaker 2:Well, it's not fun, but it was her, uh, god fun. Her godfather was like uh, what's his name? Sammy Davis jr or one of them? Or who was the other guy, um, from the rat pack? No, no, no, the other guy? Uh, he's in that group, joey bishop no, no, no, more, popular more.
Speaker 3:Oh, it starts with a t come on, you know, you had frank sinatra handyman dean martin.
Speaker 2:That's it. Yep, that's who it was no, that's, that's blood relative they were blood relative blood relative. Oh okay, she that was her blood relative. Blood relative oh, okay, that was her blood relative.
Speaker 3:Correct, that's like her grandfather or some shit, are you sure? Wow, what the fuck do I know?
Speaker 2:I don't know, Like do you have it there? Because I thought it was like a godfather or something like that I'm pretty sure it was blood relative.
Speaker 3:All right, pretty sure, damn.
Speaker 2:We'll hold out on that.
Speaker 4:I'll edge you with that one Edge me on it Jill Barcombe, 18, november 1977, los Angeles. Barcombe, who had recently moved to California, was found raped, beaten and strangled. Alcala left her body posed in a canyon near Los Angeles. This was like one of his spots. He would take them out to those desert areas for photographs and that was one of his murder spots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of desolate yeah.
Speaker 4:Georgia Wickstead. 27 december 1977 in malibu, california. Wickstead, a nurse was found beaten, sexually assaulted and strangled in her apartment. Alcali used a hammer to bludgeon her before strangling her with a cord. That was also one of his things, like the cord.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the yeah.
Speaker 4:Charlotte Lamb, 32, june 1978, el Segundo California.
Speaker 2:Left my wallet there. Yeah, yes, I gotta get it.
Speaker 4:I got to get it. Lamb was found dead in the laundry room of her apartment complex. She had been raped, beaten and strangled with a shoelace. Her body was also posed after death Damn shoelace. Jill Perotinou, 21, june 1979, burbank, california. Perotinou was found murdered in her apartment. Akala had broken in, raped and strangled her. She was killed just weeks before the dating game appearance.
Speaker 2:So this is way more than five.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they're already up to like six. I was going to say that's all like, I guess the DNA evidence right? Maybe? Robin Samso, 12, june 1979, huntington Beach, california. This was the crime that led to Alcala's eventual capture. Samso disappeared while riding her bike in a ballet class oh, riding a bike to her ballet class. Her decomposed body was found in the foothills of Sierra Madre Mountains 12 days later. Witnesses had seen Alcala taking photographs of her shortly before her disappearance.
Speaker 2:Sierra Madre. That's a good bar, Isn't that around?
Speaker 4:here. It's on the West Shore, I don't know if it's around anymore. Yeah, here in PA, sierra Madre is a fantastic bar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know if it's around anymore. Yeah, here in.
Speaker 4:PA Sierra.
Speaker 3:Madre is a fantastic bar. Yeah, their food is incredible.
Speaker 2:Are they still around on Market Street?
Speaker 4:Okay, you're like 10 minutes from there, aren't you, is that?
Speaker 3:Five, the Madre. Five at best, five at best.
Speaker 4:I didn't even know that place was open until Cinco de Mayo. Yeah, I thought it was the only day out of the.
Speaker 2:So here are some other crimes and suspected victims, so maybe these are the ones that are, so it looks like seven confirmed.
Speaker 3:Seven confirmed murders Okay. Murders, murders, yeah, murders.
Speaker 4:While Akala was only convicted of the seven murders listed above, authorities suspected he could have been, or he could have killed, many more victims. Investigators believe that Akala may have murdered up to 130 people, but the true number remains unknown. This suspicion is based on several factors.
Speaker 2:So I wonder where they come up with that number. Is it just averages? I?
Speaker 4:think it's a bullshit number. I think it's just lazy work.
Speaker 2:Just like oh, there's this many dead people out there, Like Zab said, I think it's lazy.
Speaker 4:I think they have people that are put on these murder cases and you can't find exactly who did it these murder cases, and you can't find exactly who did it. So it's like it seems like it can fit in this category, so you throw it under there and that way you can put a solved on under it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or just leave it as a cold case. It's hanging, but we think it's him, but he's dead, so we can't figure it out, so it's just cold.
Speaker 4:Right. Is that what the cold cases are?
Speaker 3:I mean cold cases is essentially, you can't go any further. You've exhausted every effort that you know of, so it's just going to sit there, and in this case, every effort leads to. Well, the facts fit, the circumstances fit the MO of this guy. It looks like it looks and walks and talks like something this guy would do, right. Well, we encountered that with Jack the Ripper. We encountered that with a number of people.
Speaker 4:So under like the like. The cold case though is it, do they put that in a separate? But is that considered solved then when they group it under that 130. I don't think they can consider it solved no, because it can't be confirmed correct it's
Speaker 4:still suspected so it's something like, but the guy can, like you know, take a long weekend and not have to like in a work earlier. Okay, all right, these are based on like things, like the photograph collection. After his arrest, police discovered a collection of more than a thousand photographs in storage locker in Seattle. These images were mostly of young women, children and even boys, many of whom were suggestive or vulnerable poses. While some individuals in the photographs have been identified and confirmed to be alive, many remain unidentified, raising the possibility of additional victims.
Speaker 2:Do you know how that came about? The storage?
Speaker 3:unit, the Seattle storage unit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, so this is how they found out about it. So they had a receipt. Okay, they didn't, for whatever reason, didn't look into this receipt. They were just like whatever Storage unit, whatever he was on, you know he was in prison. His sister comes in the visit and everything's recorded when you're talking and you know in, in meetings or whatever you know, when you go into prison to meet somebody, he goes to his sister hey, uh, I need you to do something for me. There's a storage unit up in Seattle. I need you to go clean it out before they find it. So he's telling his sister to do this up in seattle. I need you to go clean it out before they find it. So he's telling his sister to do this. And they're like listening in, like, oh shit, he's talking about that storage unit, we better go check it out. Sure enough they go open the storage unit. Boom, all these pictures, photographs, earrings from victims all kinds of shit.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:So his dumb ass in there telling his sister that basically led them to all that evidence but that's, that's what we talked about with like these serial killers that we go over, like he wanted, like the pictures he wanted, the it's like memorabilia jewelry. He wanted the like, the earrings, the necklaces, right it's all stuffed trophies, basically, from your crimes.
Speaker 2:You can go back and revisit it.
Speaker 4:Oh, look at this one, you know but even though you know that you can get in trouble for that, like I don't know why, they can't care. Like a lot of guys have been taken down over leaving stuff like in their in their apartment, in their rooms it's like, like I said, it's just trophies for them they look at it and like oh, all the stuff.
Speaker 4:That's why he took the pictures and stuff too so here are some of uh alcala's alleged east coast murderscala's time living in New York City, particularly in the early 1970s, coincided with several unsolved murders. He frequently traveled between the East and West Coast, making it difficult for authorities to link the cases across state lines. Alcala was known to have traveled extensively throughout the United States and authorities are reviewing cold cases in States where he was known to visit. Oh so there's a cold case thing again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they might be dying in the more, but this is 21 when he died, so I don't know. I don't know, like, if this is from back then when they're talking about this, or you know current.
Speaker 4:So Alcala often used photography as a lure to gain the trust of his victims. He would approach women and girls offering to take their photos to build his portfolio. The tactic allowed him to get close to his victims, many of whom were aspiring models and simply flattered by his attention. This is where he uses like smooth skills.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where the camera came into play. Speaking of that camera, so when he was 15, he got gifted a camera.
Speaker 4:It was like a nikon or like I don't know what brand it was but that kind of started his infatuation with photography at a young age.
Speaker 4:He was like oh, I kind of like that, you know, I think his mom got it for him when he was like 15 I think, dad wasn't around, so I had to be the mom, but in the um, in the movie that they had on netflix, not to say this was like true or anything, but they kind of like showed him. They said he had a book that had like linda blair, remember her from like the exorcist yeah, so apparently he did have like pictures with, like some famous people oh, wow and he would go around showing his his photographs like, oh my god, that's linda blair, oh my god, that's like so and so so he did yeah he did have something where he just like bullshitted his way into like really good pictures of some famous people.
Speaker 2:No, I do remember that. Now you said that I don't know if that was accurate or not, but no, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4:I don't know, but I think he did have in real life, like photos of famous people, famous people, and they were like, oh wow, how do you know them? Or okay, I trust you right which they could have been just stuff that he grabbed from a magazine or whatever.
Speaker 2:I clipped it out, a tiger beat or something.
Speaker 4:I don't know if they had that then, but maybe not tiger beaten 16 16. Yeah, I don't know. Sexual assaults and kidnappings. Beyond his murders, alcala had a pattern of sexually assaulting women and children. He was convicted of kidnapping and assaulting two teenage girls in the 1970s but avoided longer sentences due to procedural errors and plea deals. Yeah, we talked about that earlier.
Speaker 2:Like this, guy just slips through the cracks constantly.
Speaker 4:I don't know if we talked about this yet. His deals yeah, we talked about that earlier. This guy just slips through the cracks constantly. I don't know if we talked about this yet. His methods yeah, his methods, yeah, like of a serial killer.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I know the one thing did come up, but it's a little more in-depth, yeah we just like touched on it. We just like teased it a little bit, a little bit it wasn't like yeah, into it.
Speaker 4:He would often strangle his victims to the point of unconsciousness yeah, I think we talked about this Then revive them, only to repeat the process multiple times before finally killing them. The sadistic torture pattern indicated his desire to control and prolong his victim's suffering. So, yeah, he would like. Yeah, take them down, then bring them back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's insane. I mean that's. I'm trying to think if we've ever covered anybody else that did anything. Well, I know Dom. He wanted to just keep them alive, but as zombies.
Speaker 4:Correct, that's right, but it was never like. Yeah, he tried to drill into their brains and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Right, he just wanted to bring them back as zombies. He just didn't want them to leave. But I don't know of anybody that would kill, bring them. But I know a lot of those guys get off on the actual watching the life, leave the body, kind of like that control, sure? So maybe it's one of those things like I want to do it over and, over and over again I'm pretty sure we've done somebody, at least somebody like that but no, I think it was more of this like a strangulation thing.
Speaker 4:I think he would go to like they had their last breath and then he would like do like cpr and bring them back. Yeah, and like try to bring them back like maybe sometimes he did it, sometimes he failed.
Speaker 2:Wait, Well, no, you weren't around for this one Zap, but we did do the angel of death. Remember that His nurse would do. She would have patients and she would kill them, basically to bring them back to life. God bless that woman. Like a God complex, she's a saint. No, she was not. She was not. She was no angel. The Angel of Death. Yeah, that's an old school podcast. I bet she was an angel, then I know right, send me an angel.
Speaker 3:Such a good track, that is such a good track.
Speaker 4:That was from the Rad movie.
Speaker 2:Who was that again Lori.
Speaker 4:No, Lori Loughlin was the girl in the. Yeah, she got in trouble with the law, Lori Loughlin.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But no, who was the artist?
Speaker 2:of that. I can't remember. God damn it. Oh, they're from Australia, Because we said they moved to High Spire, I think in the podcast I forget the name.
Speaker 3:I think they did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 4:Like right down the street from where Zab grew up. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right. I think so. That's the whole band. I don't know why I remember that, but I just remember we, we found the name and then I think zapper, you said I think they live in high spire. Now I don't even know why they came up, what the reference was, but it was funny.
Speaker 4:Hey, if you guys want to figure that out and look into, it go ahead. Yeah, so anyway, like another thing with this guy like he would pose the bodies of his victims in sexually provocative positions after the death, which was a hallmark of his victims in sexually provocative positions after the death which was a hallmark of his killing, and he had pictures of young boys too.
Speaker 2:He was doing the stuff with young boys too.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he was into the boys. Yeah, it wasn't just the girls, it was Frank and Beans all day for him sometimes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was equal opportunity employing.
Speaker 2:A lot of these killers. They have one type and that's what they'll go after. Like domer wasn't killing chicks, right, or um, like berkowitz had his type and then he was even down to like they had to be brunettes and and this and that who's uh?
Speaker 4:shit. I don't know if we ever did him like the fish guy. We didn't do him yet, did we? He was just a torture like he would, uh and like, put needles in their stomachs and but he would put like needles in himself and stuff too right or yeah, I saw something about him the other day on I don't know what, like on youtube or something like that he was like one of the ogs, like back in the 40s I think he was around.
Speaker 2:But he was mostly like into like the child stuff, right, he wasn't like yeah, from what I, know about him and, like I said, it was bits and pieces I picked up along the way it was. He was just like a sadomasochist, like let me torture you, and I like to torture people, not so much murder them, I mean, I think they'd end up dying.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I think. I think he's a little deep for us, even though, like some of the stuff we get into, I would like to do it really yeah because I just saw like a thing it was like a 10 minute thing on him and it seemed like he, like he would put needles and stuff into himself and like leave. Like he would put nails into his like um, what's this bone right here? It's like a carnival act or something. Yeah, what's this bone? Like the?
Speaker 2:uh the hip bone, or, yeah, the pelt, yeah.
Speaker 4:Like I don't know, that's some crazy shit, man. Oh, back to uh, ronnie though nylons and cords to strangle his victims, and he sometimes beat them with objects such as hammers. That's insane. Well, no, that's like a lot of killers, though like anything they can grab, or yeah, hammer would fuck you up.
Speaker 3:This just really goes to show you guns don't kill people, people kill people and hammers. Look, I'm telling you so. It is impossible to take away the guns.
Speaker 2:It's impossible, it could never happen but people are gonna find a fucking way right.
Speaker 4:They're gonna kill you with uh correct, whatever correct I don't even know like the us, though, is a little crazy with like the gun killings. Like you go to other countries they're kind of like mellow, because I think there is less guns, but but here it's like it's a little crazy, it's a little nuts.
Speaker 2:well, I did hear a, I did hear a number, and who knows if this is accurate, but it says 80% of serial killers were active between 1970 and 1999. So during that era, I guess, was the time maybe that you could get away with more and do more, and maybe that's why.
Speaker 3:Look, anything before the internet you could get away with.
Speaker 2:Right so, but there's still gotta be people around active now, or maybe they're just, they're outlets, something else.
Speaker 3:Matt rattled off the name of seven murder victims. It was the seventh one in timeline order. That's the one for which he was originally caught. The other six didn't show up until dna bullshit till they got it tied him to it.
Speaker 2:But back to that point about the 80 percent. Like do you? There's got to be serial killers out active right now you know what I mean you know that, we're just not aware of I'm sitting right here bro. Yeah, I know right what was that like?
Speaker 4:like a podcast about murders of the guys that are committing the murder. That was our idea. That's gonna happen.
Speaker 3:That's gonna happen it's gonna be a movie. I think that we're making a movie of it. Yeah, we're gonna hopefully film it in vhs it's gonna be with that gyllenhaal guy.
Speaker 4:What's his name? I could see him. I don't want any hollywood in it no, hollywood no it's good, it's got to be us
Speaker 2:yeah, they can't be.
Speaker 4:Why just us though?
Speaker 3:I don't want, because it's about us and we don't have any fucking money yeah, it's like FUBU, but for us, for us by us.
Speaker 2:Officer Vince.
Speaker 4:So that it is in fact FUBU.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we can get people involved. Hawk can be in it.
Speaker 3:Dude, we're definitely having Officer Vince. He's going to crack the case, he'll be in it.
Speaker 4:When are we doing the Officer Vince road trip, because I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 3:Probably after this, because I have a feeling once this podcast drops, we're going to have a lot of time on our hands.
Speaker 2:Come on, man.
Speaker 4:We should. Why do you think I did this?
Speaker 3:one God damn it Trying to end it yeah.
Speaker 4:The final countdown.
Speaker 3:You know, it's a fun fact, fun fact. Fun fact Today is November 22nd, 2024. Of the year of our Lord, exactly 27 years ago on this day, we did our first podcast. At 2024 of the year of our Lord, exactly 27 years ago on this day, we did our first podcast. At the age of at the age of 37, michael Hutchins, singer of an excess, yes, killed himself.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Hung himself on the doorknob.
Speaker 3:I think it is serendipitous that on this same day, Matt is trying to kill his podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on.
Speaker 4:Oh, too soon. God bless you all.
Speaker 2:No, I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is great. This will probably be the highest rated one, of course.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 4:I'm supporting you Matt.
Speaker 2:I'm supporting you.
Speaker 3:Thanks, man. Thanks, you know, I love you, man, I'm just happy yeah.
Speaker 4:I know, I know. That's why I like doing this podcast. Yeah, like I don't even know what is AI. Does it have a gender?
Speaker 3:It's whatever you want it to be, Matt. It's non-binary, despite it being binary.
Speaker 4:Has our president. I think he might illegalize this.
Speaker 2:Make it illegal? Yeah, he might not even let this be anymore.
Speaker 4:Wait, did you say illegalize? Yes, he will illegalize it, illegalize it. I don't know. I don't know, it could be so. Anyway, it wasn't until 2010 that Alcala was tried for five California murders Using DNA evidence to link him to the victims. In a bizarre twist, alcala chose to represent himself in court. Hey, we see this a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, bundy did that. Yeah, bundy did that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bundy did that he thought he was a smart cat, showing no remorse and even questioning himself on the witness stand yeah, he did.
Speaker 2:He did different voices too, like he would. Uh, he would put on an accent for the one and jesus. Yeah, just to switch it up, it helped I'm sure yeah, say like what.
Speaker 4:I don't know man, I don't know what happened to him, I don't know what accent he used. Yeah, man, I'm like cool with that, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean you got to switch it up. You got to do that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was ultimately convicted and sentenced to death because this guy's crazy, alcala, was later extradited to New York, where he pleaded guilty to the murders of Cornelia Cr, neal Acrilli and Ellen Hover. Despite being sentenced to additional life sentences, he remained on death row in California until his death from natural causes in 2021.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just like a waste, back and forth, back and forth, like you know what I mean Like just end the guy already.
Speaker 4:I don't know why the justice system does that. It makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2:I guess because it's the justice system and whatever. But it just seems like a waste to keep moving the guy back and forth across the country so here, here, here you go zap in conclusion.
Speaker 4:See, I added that myself yeah, I like that ronnie alcala's story is one of the missed opportunities for justice. You didn't add that yourself at all.
Speaker 3:I did. I said conclusion oh I told it.
Speaker 4:I said I'm done and it said oh conclusion. I was like how did it do? I said I'm done and it said oh conclusion.
Speaker 2:I was like how did it do that? How do we know?
Speaker 4:How does it even know? How do we?
Speaker 2:know, oh my god.
Speaker 4:For years, the justice system failed to contain him, allowing him to continue his gruesome acts. His appearance on the dating game while actively killing is a stark reminder of how some predators can hide in plain sight, masking their true nature with charm and deceit. Despite his death, the investigation into his possible victims continues, with cold case detectives across the country trying to link him to unsolved cases. His legacy remains one of horror, with lives shattered by his unspeakable acts. I like how they have unspeakable a his unspeakable acts. I like how they have unspeakable a lot.
Speaker 2:Unspeakable.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's unspeakable.
Speaker 2:This guy was one of the matrix. Yeah, it is the matrix, but he was one of the worst. It's just amazing that he got away with so much for so long and that he you know 68, he escapes out the back of an apartment, ends up in LA or I'm sorry he was in LA apartment ends up in la, or I'm sorry he was in la ends up in new york. When he was in new york he was at new york university and then nyu, he was working as a camp counselor. Yep, but that just goes to show you, back then it was so hard to track people and and you know, like you said before, the internet, so it's not like social media and different things where you might a picture might pop up on social media from camp, wherever the fuck they're at and oh they're where the fuck they're at.
Speaker 4:You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, and there's, oh, there's, uh, alcala. Why does it say his name's john burger or whatever you know?
Speaker 2:no, I think the group's called al-qaeda it is al-qaeda no, oh wait, yeah, this guy so hopefully something like that wouldn't happen nowadays. I couldn't imagine a guy like this getting away with you know a 20, 30 year or I guess it was what 68 till I guess it was only 10, 12 years of murder, but still that's too long. It's a. It's a good long time, and who knows what he did before that. 68 is the first time that we know of anything documented that he was involved with. Like could have something happened at an earlier age. How about when he was in the military, like who knows? That's true, you know.
Speaker 4:But back to that that's another part of the triad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the military is always in there yeah, so we haven't brought up the mcdonald triad, so he had the the military. Was there any? The parents?
Speaker 4:they were separated, correct or father left?
Speaker 2:yeah, the father left he was was in Catholic school. I don't know. Is that part of the triad? I don't think so.
Speaker 4:Catholic school's up there, though I think it's borderline, it's a borderline triad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't know if he had any of the other things, but there wasn't a lot on his early life and a lot of the stuff that that he they were saying. With this guy when you go to research it or look stuff up on him, he would give reporters like false information, like his story would change so there'd be a report out there about a timeline of when you know he worked here, did this or did that, and it would. It would go against something he told another reporter like these guys are gonna lie was it with like jobs or anything like.
Speaker 4:I think he just was like quote, unquote, a photographer right like he didn't really have a job.
Speaker 2:I don't know he worked at, uh, he worked at, yeah, the newspaper, I think well, he tried to.
Speaker 4:He tried to get like a job as a photographer.
Speaker 2:He worked at the la times la times he was a uh, typesetter, typesetter, yeah what the hell's that didn't chat?
Speaker 3:gbt tell you that he got a job at. He got a job at the LA Times when he yeah.
Speaker 4:This is after he was arrested and ran away. Yeah, but what did he do?
Speaker 2:A typesetter. What is that?
Speaker 3:Oh God. So back in the day, is that somebody that dresses cool? You take, that's a trendsetter. Oh, okay. So you take all of these metal, all of these little metal letters, and you put them onto a big plate.
Speaker 4:Oh, is that when they run it through?
Speaker 3:and then they run ink over it and then they run paper over it.
Speaker 4:I think I did that in McDevitt when I was like part of the. Uh, I did, I did the Catholic witness?
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't the witness. What about the twin towers? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4:That was my shit.
Speaker 2:them on like this piece of paper and, yeah, I would run that guillotine in the back of the paper team you know I'm talking about you should do that up in the witness.
Speaker 4:You guys don't know about that.
Speaker 2:Can I get a witness?
Speaker 4:what no, yeah yeah okay, yeah, that was, that was the story yeah, I enjoyed it, the movie was decent.
Speaker 2:But I, just after I watched the movie and then I went and went back and revisited all the facts about this guy and I'm like, okay, a lot of that in the movie. And then I went and went back and revisited all the facts about this guy and I'm like, okay, a lot of that in the movie was not accurate. Yep, so I would tell you, if you're gonna watch it on netflix, just be prepared. That it's not. It's just more of a, an interpretation of the story.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean that's what I thought, like with the movie out on netflix, like people have netflix, it was like something hot right now, you know, you know.
Speaker 2:So I was thinking something, something nice to talk about you know not nice, but did you see there's a zodiac thing out now?
Speaker 4:yes, I saw that.
Speaker 3:Three, three part yeah, and so we had covered the zodiac so many. There's now so many movies about that, about the zodiac yeah, well, they actually know, they think they know the guy, but they think this.
Speaker 4:Well, this guy.
Speaker 2:They're on netflix that the new show. They're trying to pin it on this guy, but who knows?
Speaker 4:but he was the one that they actually yeah who? I don't think they'll ever figure that one out I don't know if there's dna with that one they don't have any, though, because he would just shoot them and then get away you know what I mean right, because it was like young kids that were in like these spots that they were parked it wasn't, there was no sexual. Yeah, he didn't yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was no up and close like physical stabbing and well, he did stab. No, he did stab, yeah, but I mean there wasn't any like.
Speaker 4:He didn't have any like cuts or, you know, there wasn't any semen left behind. No, they also said it was a .22 caliber. I don't know. I thought that one was interesting, though I liked that one, I dug it, hey guys can you wrap it up, oh man?
Speaker 3:Oh, God time, yes, Mrs.
Speaker 2:Dave, yes, we can. Yeah, I think Zav's probably ready to get out of here, but, matt, I enjoyed it. Dude, I think you did good.
Speaker 3:I think Thanks.
Speaker 4:Time and effort for everyone, I hope you all enjoyed it out there in radio land.
Speaker 2:So you guys got anything else.
Speaker 4:I got nothing.
Speaker 2:I guess that's it for now. So we'll catch you where On the flip side, if we don't, see you sooner, we'll see you later.
Speaker 3:Peace.
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